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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcottin woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of November. I'm Zara. I'm in different

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Speaker 2: parts of the world. Two leaders have recently won support

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Speaker 2: on populist far right platforms. In Argentina, Javier Milay has

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Speaker 2: Over in the Netherlands, Hirst Wilders is tipped to be

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Speaker 2: the nation's general elections. In today's deep dive, We're going

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Speaker 2: to tell you what you need to know about these

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, though, Sam. What is making headlines.

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Speaker 3: Over the weekend, A total of forty one hostages held

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Speaker 2: The World Health Organization has called for additional information from

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Speaker 3: Derek Chauvin, the police officer found guilty of murdering George

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Speaker 2: And the good news. Blue whales, the largest animals in

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Speaker 2: All right, Sam, so today we are talking about not one,

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Speaker 2: One is from Argentina and the other is from the Netherlands.

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Speaker 3: So you know how, I'm a big Stephen Colbert fan.

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Speaker 2: So Mille was proposing that they shut down Argentina's central

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Speaker 2: Like, I just think he is so anti establishment, he's

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Speaker 2: So, the Netherlands had its general elections last Wednesday, and

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Speaker 3: Okay, So he's clearly a significant player in the politics

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Speaker 3: I'm not particularly up to speed on the kind of

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Speaker 2: Countries thinking about what my hot take is this whole time?

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Speaker 2: Don't think that there is anything particularly new one that

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Speaker 2: I can add here except to say that I think

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Speaker 2: that we do see these patterns emerge and then end,

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Speaker 2: and then emerge and then end. Like in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and after that we had Donald Trump, we had Bolsonaro,

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Speaker 2: we had leaders like this anti establishment. Yeah, we had

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Speaker 2: We have then seen you know, centrist or left leaning

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Speaker 3: They kind of swing the other way, whatever way that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like we've got to zoom out and

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Speaker 2: this has happened before and it will happen again. It's

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Speaker 2: just the stage of history that we're at, I believe.

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Speaker 3: So if we run with your theory of phases of

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Speaker 3: the other way when people want change, does that kind

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Speaker 3: of give gravity to President Trump's run towards the US

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Speaker 3: election in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the polling certainly suggests so interesting. I think

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Speaker 2: that there is certainly a belief, just based on US polling,

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Speaker 2: that there is a long time between now and next November.

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Speaker 2: Anything can happen. Keeping an eye on the US economy

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Speaker 2: is going to be crucial during this time and understanding

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Speaker 2: which parts of the workforce are impacted, because in most

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Speaker 2: cases this is an economic story, and these leaders are

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a fascinating year ahead in global politics,

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