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Speaker 1: Black cast unite our voices, and when we started tapping

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Speaker 1: back into our heritage and we realize the warrior culture,

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Speaker 1: we are like, Bro, what are we doing out here

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Speaker 2: I've been acting like a flop out here, like this

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Speaker 2: is not who I am, this is not my people.

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Speaker 3: And then when you think about all the people, all your.

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Speaker 2: Ancestors, and then he comes you doing your stupid stuff

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And then once you've become, once you know your identity

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Speaker 2: and who you are and your people, you want to

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Speaker 2: you want to make a difference for your people. You

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Speaker 4: They're the foundations exactly.

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Speaker 2: They're the pillars, Bro, your family, your village, they are

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Speaker 2: the pillars of your strength, and that's where you need

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Speaker 5: Today's guests are the voices behind Bro's and CON's podcast,

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Speaker 5: former gang members who have lived through the justice system

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Speaker 5: and have turned their lives around to be entrepreneurs, business owners,

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Speaker 5: community advocates, storytellers, and.

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Speaker 4: Mentors to the younger generation.

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Speaker 5: Through raw, honest conversations, they unpack the realities of street life, accountability, healing,

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Speaker 5: and what it actually takes to break cycles. Their podcast

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Speaker 5: isn't about glorifying the past.

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Speaker 4: It's about learning from it.

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Speaker 5: It's about taking responsibility, giving young people a different blueprint

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Speaker 5: for what strength and leadership can look like. They're using

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Speaker 5: their platform to shift narratives, challenge stereotypes, and show that

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Speaker 5: transformation is possible. I just want to say thank you

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Speaker 5: for coming over to the north side of nahab A

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Speaker 5: Bridge here. Big shout out to iHeart and Arn for

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Speaker 5: you're just giving us a space to be here and.

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Speaker 4: To kind of represent right.

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Speaker 5: But if you could describe yourself in one minute to

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Speaker 5: my listeners without the podcast, where would you start?

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Speaker 4: And you need to also mention your name?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, Well, I'm Jay Lex, known as Jay Lex.

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Speaker 2: My government name is James only my wife can call

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Speaker 2: me that when she's angry. I'm a father of four

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Speaker 3: I'm Tonguing. My background is Tongueing.

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Speaker 6: I grew.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Canberra, born in the Capitol, so

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Speaker 2: I'm very Ausy Aussie to the bone.

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Speaker 2: And then I grew up in Tongue overseas in and

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my name is Malik. I'm the eldest brother of

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Speaker 7: Brazen Cons. You guys would have heard my voice on

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Speaker 7: all those good days, whatever you want to call it. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I come I came from a rough background. I've done

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Speaker 7: I've met a lot of people on the streets, and

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Speaker 7: now I'm looking forward to a better future where I'm

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Speaker 7: right now, one of my main goals is the podcast.

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Speaker 7: But without the podcast, like you asked, without the podcast,

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Speaker 7: I'm very happy with life. I'm content with life. From

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Speaker 7: keeping things simple, appreciating the people around you, focusing on

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Speaker 7: me personally, and we personally try to reach out to

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Speaker 6: Malie.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that my name is Ronnie, government name is Ronald, and.

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Speaker 8: But first of all, I just want to appreciate you

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Speaker 6: I am my father. I'm getting married very soon.

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Speaker 8: I did some time with Malick as well, so we

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Speaker 8: The things that I do love now is and what

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Speaker 6: There's nothing special about me.

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Speaker 8: Also the co founder of brozen Cons actually, and I'm

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Speaker 8: Well, me and Malick were actually on our way to

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Speaker 7: I came up with stupid names because I'm heroes. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm telling this guy, doesn't matter what I named me.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, for me, I kind of just doubled down

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Speaker 8: So I knew that the convicts had to be part

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Speaker 6: And it's part of our DNA.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, we always yearned about jail, even off the podcast

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Speaker 6: So I thought of a short, catchy name.

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Speaker 8: And because we always bring to social media about us

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Speaker 8: I thought brozien Cons were probably the best name.

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Speaker 7: Exactly and obviously and cons. And I love the way

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Speaker 5: It kind of leads into my new format for my podcast.

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Speaker 5: And you're the second guest.

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Speaker 4: For my new season. Yes, second, Yes, on the phone.

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Speaker 5: And I purchased these cards conversation cards, and I thought

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Speaker 5: Anyone can answer this one, right, What have you recently

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Speaker 5: done for someone else? I'll show you a thousand things

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Speaker 5: as you were just saying what you do in your

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my brother's shoes.

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Speaker 3: I've gave all my brothers new essex.

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Speaker 7: I love it when I like my brother's this stuff

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Speaker 7: just giving your brother your shoes. It could be like

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Speaker 5: People hold you, you follows in high regard, right like

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Speaker 5: So there's this stigma right of people that have been

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Speaker 5: That's right, all the success breeding in our communities right

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Speaker 4: So when you start this podcast, what resources did you have? Like,

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Speaker 4: I've turned their lives around being of service to community.

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Speaker 4: Day the podcast took off a year ago. Yeah, are

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Speaker 5: You've got to where you are literally because you're just

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Speaker 4: We need to talk big shadow.

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Speaker 5: I'm now following you and I found you through your

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about twenty one district before, not

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Speaker 4: It's just learning and it's going to get bigger and

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Speaker 5: They have the privilege of ringing up or getting Willy

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Speaker 5: make sure that aligns what he's doing. What's some of

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Speaker 5: your messages, especially for some of the young people that

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Speaker 5: are listening to my podcast. What's some of the messages

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Speaker 5: that you want to share with these young people and

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Speaker 5: hopefully now they're over listening to.

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Speaker 2: Your for me, really tap into your roote. Like your people,

446
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Speaker 2: especially the Qureer background, they're very family orientated and their

447
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Speaker 2: strength lies within their community, within their village. And I

448
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Speaker 2: feel like once you get out of that space, then

449
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Speaker 2: you lose that connection. And when we started tapping back

450
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Speaker 2: into our heritage and we realized the warrior culture, we

451
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Speaker 2: are like, bro, what are we doing out here on

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Speaker 2: the streets?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I just feel like I've been acting like a flop

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Speaker 2: out here, like this is not who I am, this

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Speaker 2: is not my people. And then when you think about

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Speaker 2: all the people, all your ancestors, and then he comes

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Speaker 2: you you doing this stupid stuff out there?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And then once you become, once you know your identity

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Speaker 2: and who you are and your people, then you want

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Speaker 2: to be you know, you want to you want to

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Speaker 2: make a difference for your people. You want to stand crowd.

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Speaker 4: They're the foundations exactly.

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Speaker 2: They're the pillars bro your family, your village. They are

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Speaker 2: the pillars of your strength, and that's where you need

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Speaker 2: to lean into, lean into the elders.

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Speaker 4: I love this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred and we had

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Speaker 7: a guest on the other day. He reminded me as well,

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Speaker 7: like help people, especially black people in general. We are

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Speaker 7: so talented. We come. We have the most talented people in.

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Speaker 4: The world, and so anything achieve anything exactly exactly.

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Speaker 7: A lot of us seeing dance, a lot of us

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Speaker 7: are passionate. You only find that and a lot of

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Speaker 7: us black people. Yeah, I think it's time for us

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Speaker 7: to stand up and do what was made for us.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean. We can conquer anything that

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Speaker 7: we put a month to time.

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Speaker 2: Times are changing, Times are changing, and black fellows all

481
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Speaker 2: around we're starting to wake up and realize our worth

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Speaker 2: and that's what we're trying to push. Know your value.

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Speaker 2: This is this is who we're supposed to be. Powerful people,

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Speaker 2: were warriors, leaders, leaders.

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Speaker 4: What's your message to the youngs? I love about you.

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Speaker 4: Talk to the youngsons.

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Speaker 8: Actually, I do talk to quite a lot of youngs

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Speaker 8: but it's mainly always around the fitness subject. I have

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Speaker 8: been helping a lot of a lot of boys with

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Speaker 8: their fitness journey because I love it.

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Speaker 6: It's like my passion.

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Speaker 8: I used to be overweight myself, but they were one

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Speaker 8: hundred and twenty two kilos.

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Speaker 6: I was at my.

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Speaker 8: Biggest probably the most depressed state in my mind, but

496
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Speaker 8: I eventually found a way out.

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Speaker 6: And I do help a lot of boys.

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Speaker 8: And I think I remember one of the one of

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Speaker 8: these boys were young, and I think he was cool

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Speaker 8: because I've seen just his photo and I've got good

501
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Speaker 8: judgment of.

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Speaker 6: People's faces, especially black fellows.

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Speaker 4: Especially Lockdown.

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Speaker 8: Feels sad because the way he was explaining to me

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Speaker 8: his story. You know, he's only in his teenage, probably

506
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Speaker 8: like eighteen. He's he's just going through it, and he's

507
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Speaker 8: finding it hard with his own identity. You know, he

508
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Speaker 8: sees himself as his overweight dude, you can't get a girl.

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Speaker 6: Some of these guys.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, actually like like throw their whole their whole weight

511
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Speaker 8: to me, and and just being a coach for these

512
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Speaker 8: old mentors for these young lads, you know, it's just

513
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Speaker 8: it's such an experience that even I find myself, it's

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Speaker 8: kind of like I can find my identity at the

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Speaker 8: same time because through meeting, yeah, through fitness, and I'm

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Speaker 8: helping these people. Say I'm like, it's kind of like

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Speaker 8: it's reciprocating. I'm finding myself and these young lads are

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Speaker 8: finding themselves. So it's so important for these young lads

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Speaker 8: to get amongst it. You know, these communities that these

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Speaker 8: little training communities that you said as well, you center, Like, man,

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Speaker 8: these things are so good.

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Speaker 6: You don't of it, know. And I used to go

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Speaker 6: to granvill That's where I met.

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Speaker 4: And it's is he the one that can play basketball?

525
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Speaker 6: He's the one that can play basketball?

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Speaker 8: Yes, And it's it's not a coincidence that these youth

527
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Speaker 8: centers that in these little places actually bring communities together.

528
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Speaker 8: And like, I'm so glad that we end up going

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Speaker 8: to that youth center because he came in clutch for

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Speaker 8: the William Mason and.

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Speaker 5: Big shout out to them. So what do you want

532
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Speaker 5: to achieve now? Like where to from here? You've got

533
00:25:37,711 --> 00:25:39,551
Speaker 5: brand partnerships, You've got tank.

534
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Speaker 7: They are supporting a lot of the stuff that we're doing.

535
00:25:44,831 --> 00:25:46,951
Speaker 7: And I might as well mention that, Yeah, we're going

536
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Speaker 7: to Parklee next week and they're coming with us prison,

537
00:25:53,351 --> 00:25:55,951
Speaker 7: going to Parking Prison. Yeah, they support a lot of

538
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Speaker 7: the stuff that we do. Really, we want to reach

539
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Speaker 7: out to the world. We have a lot of Americans

540
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Speaker 7: that are tuning in and slowly, slowly, I'm starting to

541
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Speaker 7: realize this is a bigger problem than we expected. Broken families.

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Speaker 7: That is one of our main targets, broken families. That's

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Speaker 7: why we speak about relationships for other figures, a lot

544
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Speaker 7: of that stuff. We just really want to get our

545
00:26:16,471 --> 00:26:19,231
Speaker 7: message like her, we need to. We want to reach

546
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Speaker 7: out as far as we can, and that's the main goal.

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Speaker 5: In the audiences everyone you even talk about you know

548
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Speaker 5: women exactly. I was like, you know, just have three

549
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Speaker 5: men to start bringing women into your podcast and talking

550
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Speaker 5: about you know, your wife, spend time with her, love her, Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember saying that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's it's it's it's it's a

553
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Speaker 2: strange space for men to want to acknowledge their partners.

554
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Speaker 2: I always found it strange because I acknowledged my wife

555
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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 3: Times. It's it's like.

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Speaker 2: The boys get pissed off and then they get annoyed,

558
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Speaker 2: but I wanted to make it known that you know,

559
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for her. And

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Speaker 2: it's fun because I did say that a lot of

561
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Speaker 2: my mates in the past, they'd wings about their missus

562
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Speaker 2: but from the outside looking in, man like she's doing everything.

563
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Speaker 2: She supposed everything, she's doing everything like what like because

564
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Speaker 2: she screamed at you like, well, it gets stressful when

565
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Speaker 2: you're at home or day every day with three kids.

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Speaker 5: That relationships are not easy, right exactly, and raising a

567
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Speaker 5: family is not easy. So look, I just want to say,

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Speaker 5: I told you I've never done an interview with three.

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Speaker 4: People on a podcast.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we went really well. We we went

571
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Speaker 5: a little bit over time, but how could you're not

572
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Speaker 5: write there's three.

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Speaker 4: Different people and she's all got your stories.

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Speaker 5: Maybe next time we could do a part two come

575
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Speaker 5: back on Black Magic Woman and yeah, and maybe about

576
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Speaker 5: after coming to Redfern.

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Speaker 4: Watch this space.

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Speaker 5: So look, until next time. I was enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 4: By for now.

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