1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've heard of hard before. Today we are 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: going granny core. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: Is it like glasses and gray hair melting sticks. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: No, it's like crochet and knitting and baking and living 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: life slow, having slow hobbies, slow activities because they soothe, 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: they anchor, and I think that they can empower a 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: generation in overdrive. Today and welcome to Happy Families Podcast 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: We Adjusted and Kylie Carson. This is Australia's most downloaded 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: parenting podcast where we give you real parenting solutions every day. 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Came across an article just recently and it's thought, this 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: is so good for the pod. We're always banging on 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: about how screens and social media are bad for kids, 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: and Kylie, today we have twenty screen free activities, twenty 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: ways to entertain the kids without using a device. That 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: is what we are talking about today. So, Kylie, I mean, 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: you've been in so many of these conversations, But if 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I was to say to you, why does this matter? 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Like why are so many parents freaking out about screens? 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: What would your obvious or most immediate answers be. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: The way it affects our kids' mental health? Anxiety depression 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: is just through the roof and without even understanding numbers. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: You just you can't talk to anyone without hearing the 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: concern in their voice with excess abuse of screens, trouble 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: with moods and emotions, and it's just it's really challenging. 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, so mental health is a really big one. And 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: the evidence, I mean, there's still some questions around it, 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: but it seems pretty pointed to me. And that is 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: that the more people are on screens, especially kids, but 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: even us as adults, the more miserable we are, the 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: more bored we are, the less curious we are, the 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: less active we are, the poorer the quality of our sleep. 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: We know that it does have a relationship to academic performance. 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: So these are the reasons that this matters. I mean, 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: we could keep on going on, but I think that's 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: probably enough. Let's get into it twenty ways that you 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: can entertain the kids without screens. And I want to 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: start with the grandmar core or the granny core activities. Actually, 38 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: I did some googling around, looked on TikTok. I found 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: like fifty four thousand videos that are all about granny core. 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Most of them are about the way you did decor 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: in your house, Like it's a thing. 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: You're talking about carpeted bathrooms, and really. 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: Curtus not used to have carpet in the bathroom, Like. 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: What about the doily dole that sits on top of 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: the toilet rolls? Oh and the padded seats for the toilets. 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: All right, so that's not what we're talking about today. Okay, 47 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about activities that kids can do. But if 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: they want to crochet a toilet roll, doily, hold a 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: dolly thingo that that's fine as well. We need to 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: talk so, like I said, twenty screen free activities to 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: help your kids to be entertained and do things a 52 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: slow way. 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: Right. 54 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: We had a painter do a room for us recently, 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and it occurred to me as I was watching, can't 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: use AI to paint the room faster? Like there's so 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: much of the knowledge work that we do you've got 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: shortcuts for. But there are some things like landscaping or 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: brick lay building a house, some things where you just 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: have to go through the process. And the granny core 61 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: stuff is all about that, and I think that's why 62 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: it matters. 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just going to highlight there is a 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: little problem here. We've got plenty of families that actually 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: don't have access to grandparents or have not had the 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: opportunity to learn these skills as mums and dads, and 67 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: it just makes it a little bit hard sometimes. 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: Well that's what the internet's for, so you can watch 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: it on YouTube, I know. 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: But the amazing that. 71 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: Was a joke. That was ironic because we're saying let's 72 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: get off screens, and now I'm saying. 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: Go to YouTube. 74 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: I missed it, you did. What was your point? 75 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: The point is that the actual gem in these experiences 76 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: as we actually get to sit down. 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Well and ideally you sit down with your grandma. 78 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: That's right. So when I was twelve, I wanted to 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: learn to knit, and I actually went to my grandma's 80 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: house and I sat down with her, and she spent 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: hours helping me to knit this little baby cardigan. I 82 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: still have it. Really, I was so so nervous about 83 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: how I was going to do it and whether I 84 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: would be able to accomplish it, that I asked her 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: to make the smallest one possible. So it must have 86 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: been like for a premie baby, because our babies have 87 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: never worn it because it was so tiny. 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: You know what I learned when I was at my grandma's. 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: I never went and learned to knit. I just learned 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: to swing on the hills hoist in the backyard. Yeah 91 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: that was me anyway, But. 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: That was the experience I had with my nan. 93 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 94 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was able to share that with me. And 95 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: it's something that I could pick up again now with 96 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: a little bit of help. Okay, So I've got five 97 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: for you. A resurgent in knitting, crocheting, baking from scratch, wow, gardening. 98 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: Just on baking from scratch. I did eat a chocolate 99 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: chip cookie that our fifteen year old cook just recently 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: and it was pretty done good. 101 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: Well, you did eat my anzac biscuit before then, and 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: I think you actually said she did a better job. 103 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: I am trying to eat healthily. Well, so you've got 104 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: an in crochet, You've got baking. What else have you got? 105 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: Gardening indoors or outdoors, embroidery or cross stitch, scrap booking 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: and photo album. 107 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: These are all things that I've watched you do these 108 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: and initially, like when we got married and you're doing 109 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: these things, I thought it was kind of weird because 110 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: I grew up in the home. My mum never did 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: any of this sort of stuff ever, but this Grandma Corps, 112 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: this granny core stuff. It's the sort of thing where 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: you do get immediate gratification, right like when you did 114 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: that cross stitch for our eldest daughter. Every single time 115 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: that needle goes through the hole and comes out the 116 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: other side, you're seeing progress. It's like gaming in the 117 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: old fashioned way. I love it. 118 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: I don't even think it's about the progress though. I 119 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: think it's about the accomplishment, the end result, seeing something 120 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: that you've created with your own hands. 121 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: It's like when I've mowed the lawn, I feel like 122 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I've done something. Yeah, I think so, just fifty right, Yeah. 123 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: But what I like about things like cross stitch and 124 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: knitting and crochet and even baking something is it's pretty 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: stress free, but it's still productive, and so it's really 126 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: satisfying because you're producing something. It's not like you're playing 127 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a game and when you get to the end of it, 128 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: you don't have any sense of anything, no sense of 129 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: accomplishment when you're playing a game. And there's also no 130 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: pressure to excel. It's not like you're being graded. It's 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: just about creating something with your hands slows you down. 132 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Almost meditative. 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it gives you space. It gives you mental space, 134 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: it gives you emotional space. You know, a lot of 135 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: these things. You can actually be thinking about other things 136 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: while you're doing it, but it grounds you. 137 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So we have a second list. This one is 138 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: going back to the fifties, sixties, seventies. We're going to 139 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: go what grandpak or instead of grand Mark co orps, 140 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: maybe a bit of both, old school outdoor fun. Five 141 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 1: activities here. What have we got down on this list? 142 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: Hopscotch, jump rope, street games, building tree four, hanging out 143 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 2: with your mates and hideouts, riding bucks around the neighborhood, 144 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: playing Capture the Flag. Oh gosh, I can't remember. I 145 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: can't remember the last time I played Capture the Flag, 146 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: hide and seek, collecting rocks, leaves, making mud pies. 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: So this is just being outside and figuring stuff out unstructured. 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the kind of stuff that you 149 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: did because all your mates were hanging out in the 150 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: backyard or in the street. 151 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Teaches kids to entertain themselves with whatever is around, right, 152 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: This is not I'm bored. This is just go outside 153 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: and play. And like I said, unstructured play is what 154 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: builds independence. There's something magical about kids being kids, just 155 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: getting dirty, exploring using their imagination, turning a stick into 156 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: a sword, or a cardboard box into a spaceship. It's 157 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. After the break, we have another 158 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: ten old school ideas as we go Grandma corps to 159 00:07:52,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: entertain the kids without screens. Okay, Kylie. So we've done 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: a whole lot of indoor stuff, the grandma style activities. 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: We've also done some old school outdoor fun. The next 162 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: list of five that's going to get us to fifteen 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: is the sort of things where you're just socially involved 164 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: and creating connections. Let's go through those. 165 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: We've actually had lots of success with some of these 166 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: board game tournaments or just games nights in general. 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, or even a trivia night. Just get everyone together 168 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: and goof off from the backyard or in the living room. 169 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Cooking meals together for the neighbors, getting everyone over for 170 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: breakfast one morning with bacon and egg rolls. 171 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: Just fire up the barbie. Yeah, I'm super easy. 172 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: Doesn't take a lot of effort. 173 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: We used to do that in our laborhood. We haven't 174 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: done that for a while. I think we're due. 175 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: We might be starting a neighborhood kids club. We used 176 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: to do this every Holidays with the kids. I get 177 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: a whole loop of their friends over and we'd have 178 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: craft at mornings. Yeah yeah, yeah, volunteering at animal shelters 179 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: or community gardens, getting older kids to teach younger kids 180 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: skills that they already know. 181 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: So basically, this list of five things it helps to 182 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: create the relationships that will combat the isolation that screens 183 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: are creating. The data tells us really clearly that our 184 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: children today are the loneliest that children have ever been 185 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: since we've been keeping records. Right around the Western world. 186 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: Kids are more connected than ever before, and yet they're 187 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: more miserable than ever before. So this is empathy, it's 188 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: communication skills, sense of belonging. Like, we're really helping children 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: to be part of a community. They get to see 190 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: the way that their relationship and their interaction impacts others. 191 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Really good for positive peer connections and social growth, and 192 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: way better than social media. Let's do our last five. 193 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Now we're getting a little bit constructive. You've put together 194 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: a list of five things that can help kids to build, 195 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: create and grow. 196 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: Building with Lego or other construction toys, writing and illustrating 197 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: their own books, learning a musical instrument, clay modeling or sculpture, 198 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: designing and creating costumes. 199 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: And what kid doesn't love putting on a play for 200 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,239 Speaker 1: at least their parents, if not the whole neighborhood. 201 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've done a few of those two so many So. 202 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: All of these are creative activities. They get the kids 203 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: involved with one another, with people in the neighborhood. They 204 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: require problem solving, planning, sustained attention, frustration tolerance. These are 205 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: the sort of skills that transfer into the rest of 206 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: life because that makes it more resilient, and it also 207 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: it engages their prefrontal cortex. It get gets them thinking 208 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: through things and getting better. I love watching kids develop 209 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: original ideas, the self esteem that comes out of the 210 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: ownership over their accomplishments. I just think there's so much 211 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: value in that. That is our big list of twenty 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: ways that we can go old school get the kids 213 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: entertained without screens. We'll list the whole twenty in the 214 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: show notes. Quick note, if you don't know how to 215 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: do any of the things, you might need to use 216 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: a screen to get some help. If you can't call Grandma, 217 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the goal isn't to eliminate screens entirely. The goal is 218 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: to ensure that the screens aren't crowding out enriching experiences 219 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: that are going to build confidence and creativity and connection 220 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: for our kids. 221 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: If grandma's not around, find a grandma, find someone like 222 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: That's what this is all about. It's about building community 223 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: for our kids and helping them to make positive connections. 224 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're supposed to wrap this up and not 225 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: go on this tangent, but I've got a highlight. Over 226 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: the years, you and I have kind of adopted as 227 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: grandma's various people who are more mature, more elderly that 228 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: our children can spend time with and learn from and 229 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: engage with. Because we haven't been around family, we haven't 230 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: had your parents and my parents particularly close. 231 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: Well, we've recognized shut ins, you know, people who don't 232 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: have family themselves and so they're really lonely and all 233 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: by themselves, and taking our kids around to visit them 234 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: has made all the difference. 235 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Or having them over for dinner once a month or 236 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: every six weeks or something like that, it just creates 237 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: the community and the kids get to see the diversity 238 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: of viewpoints and lifestyles like it's just it's a good thing. 239 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: So we really hope that these ideas are useful in 240 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: helping your children to be screened, free, be productive, learn skills, 241 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and no just generally thrive. 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