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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent. They just wants answers me now.

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Speaker 2: Every month or thereabouts on the Happy Families podcast, we

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Speaker 2: do a non parenting podcast. We call it book Club.

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Speaker 2: This is the bit where we kind of forget about

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Speaker 2: all the parenting stuff and we just get into escapism,

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Speaker 2: the books we're reading, the stuff we're enjoying today. That

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Speaker 2: is the day, Kylie, how many books have you got

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Speaker 2: to talk about today? That was a long pause.

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Speaker 3: It's a really unfair question.

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Speaker 2: Especially since I know the answer, and the answer.

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Speaker 3: Is can I include Emily's school read?

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Speaker 2: It's a donut. It's a big fat zero, isn't it. No,

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Speaker 2: we can't include. We can't include you reading a book

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Speaker 3: Well we can. So I've read one and I read

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Speaker 3: it to Emily, okay, because it was the school read.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean about our book club podcast today?

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Speaker 2: How are you going to do this?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've decided to be a little bit novel today.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to invite Emily to come on and talk

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Speaker 2: A ten year old giving a book report on the

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Speaker 2: Happy Families podcast that's coming up soon. I have read

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Speaker 2: a number of books more than you four. I've read

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Speaker 2: four books since our last book Club podcasts. I'm only

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Speaker 2: going to talk about two of them. One of them

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Speaker 2: here on this podcast. That was for just my own

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Speaker 2: personal satisfaction. I also read an entrepreneurial book.

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Speaker 2: I got a couple of really good things out of it,

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Speaker 2: but it was quite poorly written, and overall I didn't

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Speaker 2: you say that? Can say it wasn't a very good book,

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Speaker 2: not a very good book? But there were some good

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Speaker 3: That you can, because the reality is it's not a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and entrepreneurial stuff. Relevance for our podcast minimal. So

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the two that I did read. I

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Speaker 2: read a novel about the Vietnam War. And I also

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Speaker 3: If you're acknowledging that it's a good book, let's start

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Speaker 2: It was a great book. One of the pre eminent

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Speaker 2: He works in the Stern School of Business. His name

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Speaker 2: is Jonathan Hate, Professor Hat. He came to my attention

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Speaker 2: There is a reason that Jonathan Hate is considered one

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Speaker 2: But I'm only giving it a four point five and

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Speaker 2: Not in the reading frame of mind. I'm not no,

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Speaker 3: Does that necessarily mean it's a bad book or does

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Speaker 3: that just give you your platform with which for you

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Speaker 2: It's nice when you read a book and the solutions are.

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Speaker 2: I think that he's tried to do the thinking for us.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing that I'll give him credit for

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Speaker 2: much as he laid out his argument, brilliantly explained his

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Speaker 2: very picky. Four point a point five. Still loved it

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Speaker 2: in spite of those limitations. Still overwhelmingly valuable, Still a

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Speaker 2: everybody who has kids who use screens should read. In

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Speaker 2: just not sure that the evidence is there yet. Having

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Speaker 3: The whole reason my reading stopped just because I picked

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Speaker 2: You recommended the measure how long will your life be?

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you're not getting get into it.

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Speaker 3: But I look, I honestly think it's just where my

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Speaker 2: So tell me about your book. Okay, this is not

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Speaker 2: The reason I wouldn't recommend it is because it is

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Speaker 2: so many ways, brutal and hideous and so senseless, and

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Speaker 3: What a book.

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Speaker 2: So disturbing, so disturbing.

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Speaker 3: And you talk about the things that they carry, But

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming that the essence of what he's sharing is

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Speaker 3: that the things that they come home they're not tangible.

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Speaker 2: The psychological stars. The weight of what they carry, the

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Speaker 3: With can't even compare to the pounds they were carrying

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Speaker 2: Or not not making anything from I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I think we've kind of mentioned it in the first

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Speaker 2: Why don't you take it away and interview Emily about

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Speaker 3: All right, Emily, I'm putting you on the spot. What

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Speaker 1: I've just finished reading Being Percy Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're not here to talk about Percy Jackson. We

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Speaker 1: Today? We're talking about James and the Giant Peach.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what did you love about James and the Giant Peach?

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Speaker 1: I just really love the illustrations. They're not too perfect

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Speaker 3: So you're a bit of an artist, And what I

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Speaker 3: it's something that you could actually emulate. You could try

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: That is correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay? What about the story did you like? If somebody

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Speaker 1: I like how the story starts off a little sad,

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Speaker 3: What was sad about his beginning?

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Speaker 1: His parents passed away and he's living with awful aunts.

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Speaker 3: All their names were Spiker and Sponge, Aunt Spiker and

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Speaker 3: And what was it about the story that got you

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Speaker 1: One magical evening, the serious man hands James a small

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're talking about magic beans. What happens next?

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Speaker 1: On the way back to the house, he tripped on

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Speaker 3: I reckon he was going to be really sad about that.

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Speaker 1: This is where James's story really begins. He makes some

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Speaker 1: Aunt Sponge and Aunt Spiker might not make it.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, well, this sounds like it's a really really

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Speaker 1: Probably not too big books, but not too small.

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Speaker 3: So this is kind of a middle read. It's not

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Speaker 1: It's some like small chapter books.

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Speaker 3: Yep, okay. And what would you give it out of five?

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Speaker 1: Four point seven?

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Speaker 3: Four point seven? This is a good read. You really

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for sharing your read today, and you're welcome

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Speaker 3: and goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I think that's everything. Nicely done, Emily, well done, Kylie.

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Speaker 2: Love love that. I hope that parents enjoyed that. It's

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Speaker 2: a classic James and the Giant Peach. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I need to read it again. I haven't read it

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Speaker 3: I don't actually think I ever read it, so it's

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Speaker 2: Roald Dale sales are going up again. Good for him.

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Speaker 2: We hope that you've got something out of our book

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Speaker 2: club today. The Anxious Generation, The Things They Carried and

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Speaker 2: James and the Giant Peach. Will link to each of

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