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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one oh four nine. Now, as

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Speaker 1: hundred current or former youth detainees. The Opposition says it's

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Speaker 1: a bitter pill for Territorians and victims of crime to swallow.

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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line is the Opposition spokesman for

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Speaker 1: Territory Families, Josh Burgoyne. Good morning to you, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Kay, Good morning to you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Josh, what was your reaction when you heard that this

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Speaker 2: Look, it is a real kick in the guts to victims. Basically,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of people out there that have

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Speaker 2: dollar payout. I think the real question that everyone wants

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Speaker 2: it just comes with everything that's been happening of late Katie.

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Speaker 2: We're really, you know, big on the whole open and

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Speaker 2: transparent government. But yeah, it's it's just mind buggling to

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Speaker 2: think that someone, either the Chief Minister or Kate Warden

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Speaker 2: would have never found out exactly what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess you know, we now know that

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Speaker 1: we now know exactly how much it's going to be,

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Speaker 1: but that's come out from those lawyers. So it is

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Speaker 1: certainly an interesting element. And we do have a statement

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Speaker 1: part of.

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Speaker 3: That out for you in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But look, we do know I suppose from from the

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Speaker 1: from an opposite perspective. You know, we are in a

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Speaker 1: situation here where these dudes were mistreated. The former CLP

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Speaker 3: Do you think that they should be entitled to anything.

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Speaker 2: I think we're really going to look at it from

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Speaker 2: right here, Kadi. Obviously we've got young people that have

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Speaker 2: and then whilst they were there things have occurred. Now

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Speaker 2: it's really important to actually note that as part of

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Speaker 2: the settlement, the Anti government does not admit officers acted illegally.

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Speaker 2: So that's really important in all of this. I mean

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Speaker 2: but they have not admitted that offers active officers acted illegally.

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Speaker 2: So this is a really important point that's in the

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Speaker 2: you know that basically has been a part of this settlement.

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Speaker 2: And also thirty five million, and then it was reported

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Speaker 2: So quite often in these cases the only people that

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Speaker 1: Look, we did put in a request to have the

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately we've been unable to get her on. She

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Speaker 1: did send through a statement and it reads. The claims

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Speaker 1: The matter covers the near on twelve hundred young persons

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing the territorians are going to

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Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, nobody wants

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Speaker 3: You know, we all sort of feel that way.

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Speaker 1: But we also feel as though victims of crime and

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Speaker 3: They don't ask for it.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're in their homes very often where they

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Speaker 2: It certainly does feel like that, Katie, and I think

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's in addition to obviously the costs of

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that's working.

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Speaker 2: I think we can definitely see Caddy that these reforms

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Speaker 2: And then obviously there were huge consequences in relation to that,

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Speaker 2: And we've all seen, unfortunately what can happen when a

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Speaker 1: Josh, have you spoken to many in Alice Springs about

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Speaker 2: Look to be honest, Katie, like I said, I was

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Speaker 1: Well, there is no doubt that we'll get plenty of

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Speaker 3: I do just want to ask, though, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Minister Warden has also said that of those two

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Speaker 1: principle to one hundred and fifty eight of those, and

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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe it's made a positive change. Well

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's just a bit of a kick

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Speaker 1: Well, and no doubt not just Alice Springs, but I

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Speaker 1: that's right, right across the territory. But Josh, we really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning. I've no doubt that we're

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having a chat with us.

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