1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro is Australia's most talked about influencer. At nineteen, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: her fitness journey while pregnant. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: This is my first blog again, so like it might 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: be a little bad. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to be boring or what, 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 3: but hope you guys enjoy it. 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: Tammy's life is far from boring. The fitness influencer and 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: her family are Australia's answer to the Kardashians. In fact, 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: she's even been involved in a few Kardashian scandals herself. 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 4: A model explains why she had to leave Kaylie Janno's 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: By sharing her life online, Tammy has attracted over twenty 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: million followers and built an empire worth fifty million dollars. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: What has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: Over the last ten years, the internet has borne witness 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding and now 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: a divorce. 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: We are journalists Amy and Kate Torbert, and in this 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: special Outspoken series, we explored the real stories behind the 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,279 Speaker 2: rise of Tammy Hembro. 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 5: Now, Amy, how does it feel entering this special series 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 5: midway through with sub Sophie out on maternity leave and 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 5: you've come in at a pivotal time and we're talking 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 5: about Matt the first. 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited to be joining at this point 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: to talk of course about Matt Paul. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 5: So when we last left you, it was Father's Day 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 5: at twenty twenty and Tammy was taking potshots at her 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 5: ex Rhys Hawkins. It turns out she was actually gearing 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: up to hard launch her new boyfriend. So on the 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 5: nineteenth of September twenty twenty, Tammy made things Instagram official 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 5: with Australian iron man Matt Paul while holidaying together in 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 5: the Wit Sundays. Tammy shared a selfie with Matt to 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 5: Instagram and then a week later she added a grid 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 5: post of her kissing Matt that read two Tauruses in love. 37 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 5: Matt followed suit, sharing a picture of him kissing Tammy 38 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 5: while enjoying a boat cruise, and Tammy commented, hey lover, 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 5: what a launch now. 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Later that week, Tammy debut Matt on her YouTube channel, 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: filming a boyfriend girlfriend tag video, and in it, they 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: shared interesting insights into their new relationship. So it turns 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: out they first met in Bali at Finn's Beach Club's 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: third birthday party in July twenty nineteen, and they were 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: just friends at the time, but sparks flew when they 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: saw each other again at Lucy Jackson and Nikki Wescott's 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: housewarming a couple of months later. They ended up sharing 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: their first kiss at the party, and Matt claims that 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: Tammy chased him. Let's throw to what they said were at. 50 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 6: Their housewarming party. And I remember turning up. You're looking 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 6: boob very pretty. 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 4: And we kid it was not looking pretty that day. 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 6: You made some big moves on me. You went on 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: the chase, and I'm. 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 7: Pretty sure I did it. 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 6: Did I? Yeah, I probably did. Hey, remember you asked 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 6: me that the message? 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I actually did it. 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 6: Yeah. So Tammy messaged me in us on Instagram and 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 6: asked me to send me a number and said, hey, 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 6: you should message me sometime we can go on a date. 62 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: I didn't say we could go on a date. 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 8: I said no because I'd known him for like so long, 64 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 8: so I wanted him to know that I was, like 65 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 8: all of a sudden interested in him. Because I just 66 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 8: suddenly like had this huge question him. After that one 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 8: day had a cross too. 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 6: I just for some reason forgot to message you for 69 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 6: a couple of days. 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, I told him. 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 4: I was like can you I was like, you can 72 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: text me if you want, and then he just did 73 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: it text me and I was so annoyed, playing hard. 74 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: To get huh. 75 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe he didn't actually like you, but now access. 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: Are you really? 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 78 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 8: I feel like I'd like forced. 79 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: This to have him heaven. 80 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 5: That's so you're sorry. It was so funny watching this 81 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 5: YouTube back because Tammy was all over Matt. You know 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 5: when a couple is in the stage where they can't 83 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: keep their hands off each other. She was grabbing at 84 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 5: his leg and they had to stop at one point 85 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: to have a kiss. 86 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm just surprised that Tammy Hembrow would do a boyfriend 87 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: girlfriend tag in twenty twenty. I mean that seemed very 88 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. 89 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 5: I think there were a lot of people calling for 90 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 5: it because everyone knew that they were together, and it 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 5: took a while for them to actually hard launch this relationship, 92 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 5: so it was an exciting new step. 93 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: I actually think Matt Paul has been my favorite boyfriend 94 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: of Tammy's. 95 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 5: Controversial I actually posted a comment on one of our 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 5: Tammy hembur reals saying that I know that her relationship 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 5: with Reez Hawkins was toxic, but I still ship them together. 98 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 5: But the logical side of me is like, no, Matt Paul, 99 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: Matt Pool seems really good with her. 100 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he seems to treat her nicely now as well, 101 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: now that they're co parenting. 102 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 5: Is it just because our expectations are so low with 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 5: ree Hawkins. You know, he's gone off overseas, he barely 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 5: sees his kids, and you see Matt Paul co parenting 105 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 5: and you're like, what a dad. 106 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: It's the fair minimum. 107 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Now, in terms of Tammy and Matt's first date, 108 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 5: it was very simple. It was a Netflix and Chill 109 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 5: with Mexican takeaway at Tammy's house. They also revealed in 110 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 5: the YouTube that Matt was the first to say I 111 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 5: love you, but awkwardly, it was actually after a fight 112 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 5: and he was trying to make up with Tammy and 113 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: she didn't say it back to him until their holiday 114 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 5: in the Wit Sundays, which is when they went Instagram official. 115 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 2: Ironically, in the YouTube, when Matt was asked what Tammy's 116 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: favorite TV show is. 117 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 4: He said this, I'm sitting in front of the TV. 118 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: What's on the screen? 119 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 6: Desperate Housewives of Beverly Hills. 120 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: That's what I'm watching at the moment. 121 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 5: All Love Island. 122 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, also watching that at the moment. 123 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 8: Good, Well, that's not I forgot. 124 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: I've been watching the Late Eights. Now. To put this 125 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 5: comment into perspective, this video was uploaded in September twenty twenty, 126 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: so there's a slight chance she could have been watching 127 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 5: her future ex husband Matt Sakowski series of Love Island. 128 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 5: Because that aired in October twenty nineteen. She could have 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: been late to the party. The next Australian series didn't 130 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 5: air until October twenty twenty one. It also could have 131 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 5: been the UK series, though, because there were a couple 132 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 5: of series airing in twenty twenty. I'm thinking was probably 133 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 5: the UK one. She's all over the Australian one. 134 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: Surely, because if you had seen Matt Sakowski on Love Island, 135 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be hitting him up. 136 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 5: For a date now. On the topic of reality TV, 137 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 5: since twenty eighteen, fans have been calling for the Hembros 138 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 5: to have their own Kardashian style reality show. It really 139 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 5: just seemed like the natural progression with the Hembros being 140 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 5: touted as the Australian Kardashians, and in early twenty twenty one, 141 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 5: Tammy excited her fans when she confirmed a Hembro reality 142 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 5: series was in the works. So the Hembro sisters and 143 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: Matt Paul all shared behind the scenes snaps of camera 144 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 5: crews at their houses. 145 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: Well, Tammy's ex Raci also had his own exciting announcements, 146 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: so in March of twenty twenty one, he and London 147 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: welcomed their first child together, Stone Hawk ands Kate. What 148 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: did you think of that name? 149 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 5: Look, we discussed it in depth at the time, and 150 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 5: I think listeners won't be shocked to hear that. I 151 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 5: was not a fan of the name. I'm used to 152 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: influencers giving their children unusual names, but this one really 153 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 5: took the cake. 154 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds pretty normal compared to some of Nara 155 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: Smith's baby names that she didn't use. I don't know 156 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: if you saw that TikTok floating around. 157 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 5: Look, I suppose five years on, maybe Stone is a 158 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 5: little bit more normal. But at the time there was 159 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: a big reaction to this name, which forced London to 160 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 5: come out and explain why they chose it. However, the 161 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: explanation didn't really help the situation because she simply said 162 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 5: they picked Stone because they'd never met or known anyone 163 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 5: with the name. I'm not sure that's a massive endorsement 164 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 5: to name your child that. 165 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And later on London got slammed for giving her 166 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: son the worst nickname when she referred to him as Stoner, 167 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: so in an Instagram story, she wrote Stoner Babe, I 168 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: love you? Is that just an Australian turn? Could she 169 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: have gotten confused? 170 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 5: The father of the child was Australian, so I'm pretty 171 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: sure Reese would have flagged it. Perhaps he just was 172 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 5: a pushover with names, because in the first episode, Sophie 173 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 5: and I discussed how Tammy came to him with the 174 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 5: name Wolf and he didn't really like it to begin 175 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 5: with them. Then he was like, yeah, I suppose. 176 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think the woman should get to choose the name, 177 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: to be honest, because they're doing most of the hard work. 178 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 5: Yes, I agree. And it's pretty interesting because reesea London 179 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 5: actually ended up getting married shortly after their engagement in 180 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 5: September twenty twenty so Rees dropped the news. In December 181 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 5: that year, on London's birthday, he shared a birthday message 182 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 5: to her and just casually referenced her as his wife, 183 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: and he was immediately flooded with questions about what was 184 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: going on, and he responded to a comment saying, we're married. 185 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: We will have a proper wedding after COVID. 186 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: It really was a period of big life changes for 187 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Reese Hawkins because four months after the birth of Stone, 188 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: he and London attempted to move to the US. So 189 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: while London and Stone were able to get in easily 190 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: because London is of course a citizen, Reese was unable 191 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: to get into the country because he wasn't vaccinated against COVID. 192 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 5: At the time, your vaccination status was such a big 193 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 5: thing and a lot of influencers were being slammed for 194 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 5: being unvaccinated, so there was an lot of sympathy there 195 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: for Reese Hawkins when he couldn't get into the US 196 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,359 Speaker 5: with his wife and child. Instead, he ended up in Switzerland, 197 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 5: and London and Stone tried to enter Switzerland but were 198 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: actually turned away at the border because she wasn't vaccinated. 199 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 5: It turned out that Reese had just gotten in just 200 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: in time before the law changed. He just had to 201 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 5: pass a positive PCR test. 202 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he ended up spending most of the year 203 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: in Mexico without London and Stone. I almost said pebble then, 204 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: like I just. 205 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: Have found anyway. 206 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: Twenty one, Tammy confirmed during an Instagram Q and A 207 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: that she had the kids full time now that Reese 208 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: lived overseas. 209 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 5: So back to Tammy and Matt Paul. After dating for 210 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 5: just over a year, Matt proposed to Tammy in November 211 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, and it was perfect timing with the 212 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 5: reality TV film crew capturing the moment. So Matt organized 213 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 5: a surprise luxury boat ride for Tammy and her children, 214 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 5: Wolf and Saskia, and initially Tammy was sharing updates to 215 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 5: it Instagram story from the boat, so she posted a 216 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 5: selfie in a bikini. She also posted a photo of 217 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 5: a bottle of champagne and videos of her kids. She 218 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 5: then shocked her followers by revealing that she was engaged. 219 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: And it really was the perfect background for the film 220 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: crew because Matt had decorated the luxury yacht with red 221 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: roses and petals, and it was really sweet because he 222 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: got both of the kids involved. In the proposal, so 223 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: they held up a sign that said Mummy, will you. 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 5: I can't actually believe that this proposal was four years 225 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 5: ago because I vividly remember all of the images from it, 226 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: like that photo of Saskia and Wolf and the ring. 227 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 5: Oh my god, that is my favorite engagement ring of Tammy's. 228 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,119 Speaker 5: It was this beautiful ovalcut diamond with little smaller diamonds 229 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: around the band. 230 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: It really was a stunning ring, and Tammy announced the 231 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: news to her followers, writing I'm in shock, honestly have 232 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: not been able to stop crying happy tears. Yes, yes, yes, 233 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: my love, and tagged Matt Pool. 234 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 5: Funny enough, Tammy and Matt ended up following in the 235 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 5: footsteps of Reese and London, and two weeks after their engagement, 236 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 5: announced that they were pregnant with a baby girl. So 237 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: Tammy uploaded a video to Instagram of her revealing her 238 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: baby bump with Matt, Wolf and Saskia, and she captured 239 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 5: the video our hearts are so full now. 240 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: A few months later, during a routine pregnancy scan, doctors 241 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: discovered that Tammy's baby had an extra finger, so she 242 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: had six fingers on each hand. 243 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 5: It's actually a genetic condition. Called polydactyl which is a 244 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 5: condition that runs in the Hembro family. So Tammy, Amy, 245 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 5: and Emily were all born with extra fingers, as well 246 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 5: as Tammy's brother and mum. Emily's child, Gabriel, also had 247 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 5: an extra finger, but Tammy's had it skipped Wolf and Saskia. 248 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it turns out that this scan showed that 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: the baby's extra fingers were a lot more developed than 250 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: other members of her family. 251 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, so shortly after the baby was born, she did 252 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: have the fingers removed, just like Tammy and her sisters did. 253 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 5: It's pretty cute because Tammy has explained in the past 254 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: that her sisters and her were left with little scars 255 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 5: on their fingers, and growing up they just assumed that 256 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 5: everyone had the same I don't. 257 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: Know what I'd do if I found out my child 258 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: had an extra finger, because it could be quite handy. 259 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: I don't understand how it would be handy. Well, it 260 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: would have been Tammy to have an extra finger. She 261 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: could have kept all over her engagement rings and. 262 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 5: God moving swiftly along. In March twenty twenty, while Tammy 263 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 5: was organizing her overseas baby moon, speculations started mounting that 264 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 5: Reese Hawkins was refusing to sign their kids passport applications, 265 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 5: so on her Instagram story, Tammy revealed she was having 266 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 5: a stressful time trying to get Wolf and Saskia's passports renewed, 267 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: saying that there were some obstacles now when it comes 268 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: to children's passports, both parents need to provide consent, and 269 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 5: it seemed like Tammy's Instagram story led a follower to 270 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: ask Reese about his relationship with his eldest children. The 271 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 5: person wrote, so, why haven't you seen your first two kids? 272 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 5: Answer the question? Shut us all up? And Reese responded 273 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 5: because me and their mum have the most funcked relationship 274 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 5: on the planet and always have and it's not possible 275 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 5: for me too right now. 276 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: Probably not the best response from Reese Hawkins, not really 277 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: showing a united front. 278 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 5: There and also putting that out publicly for ps SE. 279 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: Later on, and in a turn of events, a month later, 280 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: Rees shocked his followers by sharing a sweet black and 281 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: white photo of him hugging Wolf and Saskia to his 282 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: Instagram story. So he hadn't actually shared a photo of 283 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: his kids to social media for years, Despite sharing photos 284 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: of his youngest son Stone. 285 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that came off the back of him saying 286 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 5: that he wanted to keep his eldest children private, particularly 287 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 5: because now that they were getting older, they were more 288 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 5: recognizable and they didn't really want to be a part 289 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 5: of the content. Reese had also notably been absent from 290 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 5: his two children's lives during his relocation to the US 291 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 5: with London and Stone, and obviously Rees hadn't been around 292 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 5: Saskia and Wolf for such a long time since trying 293 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 5: to move to the US, and it appeared it was 294 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 5: the first time he'd actually seen them since coming back 295 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 5: to Australia. 296 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Now, in June twenty twenty two, just weeks out from 297 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: Tammy giving birth, speculation was continuing to mount that she 298 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: and Matt Paul had broken it up. So it started 299 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: simmering back in April when photos emerged from Tammy's baby 300 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: shower of a decorative sign that said baby Hembro the 301 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: Third rather than Baby Paul, and by June the couple 302 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: hadn't been photographed together for over a month when Matt 303 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: slipped up and revealed they weren't living together. So it 304 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: all started when Matt hit back at a follower on 305 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: Instagram accusing him of not pulling his weight after Tammy 306 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: shared numerous Instagram posts and stories showing her on her 307 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: own and discussing how family had been helping with household chores, 308 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: so one follower wrote, Matt, not trying to put you down, 309 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: but you really need to step up and pull your 310 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: weight around with Tammy. Clearly she is struggling with everyday 311 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: tasks and you were not there with her helping her. 312 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: Family had to go around to your house to help 313 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: her and clean rooms today and yesterday. Not even going 314 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: to speak about that. Can you not see she is 315 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: passively posting about you not helping her when we can 316 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: all see it. Why not you? Drinking can be done 317 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: anytime with your besties, but having the last week with 318 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: Tammy to your is so very precious before you become 319 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: parents now. Matt responded, writing I understand your message comes 320 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: from a good place. You have zero idea what myself 321 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: and Tammy are going through, nor do you know or 322 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: need to know what is happening with our relationship, and it. 323 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 5: Appears Matt then slipped up and gave away too much information, 324 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 5: adding I was around there today. You don't know that 325 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: because all you see is Instagram. I don't know you. 326 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 5: You don't know me, You don't know Tammy. I understand 327 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 5: you guys are all fans of her, but keep your 328 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 5: opinion on our relationship to yourself. I never asked for it, 329 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: nor do I care to hear it. Have some respect now. 330 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 5: The reference of visiting Tammy's house made it very apparent 331 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 5: that they were no longer living together now, in what 332 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 5: seemed to be a clear bid to stop break up speculation. 333 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 5: Days later, Tammy shared a sweet video of her kissing 334 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 5: and cuddling Matt in front of her pool as he 335 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 5: cradled her heavily pregnant belly. Matt wrote under the video, 336 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: come on out, little girl. It seemed to work. 337 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: The drama really continued for poor Tammy because, just days 338 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: out from giving birth to her third child, she was 339 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: rushed to hospital after being bitten by a dog. So 340 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: Tammy needed stitches and shared a photo of her bandaged 341 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: hand to Instagram. She didn't share how or when the 342 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: incident occurred. She wrote little update, lots of tears and 343 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: spent yesterday in hospital, but surprisingly not baby related. How 344 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: to clean out and stitches from a dog bite. Not 345 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: the best day, to say the least, but I'm all good. 346 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Just sare now with her baby just days away from arriving. 347 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: She wrote, kind of glad baby hasn't made an appearance 348 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: yet because I pretty much can't do anything with his 349 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: hand at the moment. 350 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 5: Poor Tammy. She can't really catch a break here, can she? 351 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 5: No now. On the twentieth of June twenty twenty two, 352 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: Tammy gave birth to her third child, Posey Paul. Tammy 353 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: shared a collection of photos from her labor, which showed 354 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: that Matt and her sisters joined her in the birth suite. 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 5: Tammy captioned the photos the absolute hardest yet most rewarding 356 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: thing I've ever done, an unmedicated vback, No words, birth 357 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 5: story to come for now, just resting in my love 358 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: bubble with my perfect little girl. Wow. Now, for those 359 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: not across the terminology, a vback refers to a vaginal 360 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 5: birth after cesaian. It was actually after two cesareans for Tammy. 361 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: So that's an incredible thing to do. 362 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we got some idea of just how painful this 363 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: was because Tammy shed a photo of her screaming while 364 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: in labor and wrote, you guys will get the full 365 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: sound version in my birth video. Real and raw screams, 366 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: and all my sisters were laughing because I asked if 367 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: I really have to push her out low. 368 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 5: Now, the ten minute blog didn't disappoint. I still remember 369 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 5: watching this at my old job with one of my 370 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: friends and we just kept having to pause it to 371 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 5: be like, oh my God, like to make comments. I 372 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 5: think we should actually throw to some of the screams. 373 00:17:42,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 5: A yeah, God, it just makes you so glad that 374 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 5: I had a cesarean. 375 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: I recently listened to Steph Claire Smith's birth story on 376 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: her podcast and they included an upside of her screaming, 377 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: and I just was like, Wow, women have to go 378 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: through a lot of. 379 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: Shit they do. This vlog was pretty interesting for more 380 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 5: than the reason of just listening to Tammy screaming, because 381 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 5: you got the vibe that Matt really took a back 382 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 5: seat during the birth, so he didn't actually feature much 383 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 5: in the video, and Tammy's sister Amy cut the umbilical 384 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 5: cord rather than that. 385 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: Now, breakup rumors continue to follow Tammy and Matt in August, 386 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: and this was despite the fact that the couple traveled 387 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: to Bali together for Tammy's fitness retreat that she held 388 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: with journey retreats. 389 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, something just seemed off because Matt was spotted with 390 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 5: Tammy and the kids at the airport, but he actually 391 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: didn't feature in any of the photos in Tammy's Barley 392 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 5: photo dump. Matt did his own photo dump as well, 393 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: and Tammy was in one of the pictures, but they 394 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 5: weren't photographed in a couple shot together at all. However, 395 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: to the delight of their Instagram followers, they ended up 396 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 5: being photographed together at a wedding and posted that photo. 397 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: But the relief was actually short lived because the couple 398 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 5: just continued to unfollow and refollow each other, so everyone 399 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: was like, what is actually going on now? 400 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: As breakup rumors were intensifying, Reese Hawkins made a surprise 401 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: appearance at Saskia's sixth birthday party, and for the record, 402 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Matt was at the party and posted about it on 403 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: his Instagram. It was the second time in two months 404 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: that Reese posted photos with Wolf and Saskia, and this 405 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: appearance with his children also coincided with rumors of his 406 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: own breakup with his wife London. 407 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, so a month earlier, London appeared without her wedding 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 5: rings on Instagram and super slus also spotted that they 409 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 5: hadn't engaged with each other's social media content for months 410 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 5: and had unfollowed each other. So it wasn't really a 411 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 5: very good look that suddenly Reese wasn't with London and 412 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: he was visiting his kids. It made it seem like 413 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 5: London had stopped him from visiting them, which I'm not 414 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 5: saying is the case at all, but just the optics 415 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: weren't good at all. 416 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really seemed like was trying to restore 417 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: his reputation as a father because, in a deleted comment, 418 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: a follower remarked on Reese's absence, to which he replied, 419 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm not an absent dad. Can you please stop saying that? Yeah, 420 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: and reading that at the time, it made it seem 421 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: like Reese was purposely sharing his kids again online as 422 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 2: an attempt to quieten the critics. Now just back to Tammy. 423 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: So in September, she added further fuel to the breakup 424 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: rumors when she dyed her famous blonde hair red. 425 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 5: We all know that when a girl makes a dramatic 426 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 5: hair transformation, something is going down. The relationship is not good, 427 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 5: either that or your postpartum. Then she was postpartum at 428 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 5: the time, So that's true. 429 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: But despite this dramatic hair change, Tammy and Matt were 430 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 2: photographed together that weekend at the Burly Festival with their 431 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: daughter Posey, as well as Wolf and Saskia. 432 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, they looked really happy. They picked up a box 433 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 5: of oysters. They were eating ice cream. The Daily Mail 434 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 5: published some terribly suggestive photos of Tammy Hember eating ice cream. 435 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 5: I was like those bloody Priddics. And Matt was actually 436 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 5: at the festival running a food stool for his now 437 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 5: defunct restaurant with olive frost. Myman, isn't that just a 438 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 5: blast from the past. It was noted, though, that Tammy 439 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 5: wasn't wearing her engagement ring and there wasn't much PDA 440 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 5: coming from the couple. They did go to time Zone 441 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 5: after and documented that on their Instagram story. However, despite 442 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: all of this, Tammy didn't share a Father's Day post 443 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: about Matt on his first Father's Day, and to make 444 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 5: matters worse, Tammy's best friend Isabel Laws and Matt stopped 445 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 5: following each other on Instagram. Isabel Laws always seems to 446 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 5: be the one that goes, don't have time for you anymore, 447 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 5: and just a week after their public outing, Tammy followed 448 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 5: in her best friend's footsteps and unfollowed Matt on Instagram 449 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 5: as well. 450 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: Its law telling when her best friend unfollows the guy 451 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: that maybe it's actually officially over because a soft lawn. Yeah, 452 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: because Tammy will just unfollow her boyfriends constantly. 453 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 6: Yeah. 454 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 5: If Isabel Laws is still unfollowing them, it's not a 455 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 5: good sign. Matt also a spotted celebraty the NRL Grand 456 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 5: Final in Sydney without Tammy, and then he attended a 457 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: Harbor Cruz party rather than attending Tammy's fitness app event. 458 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 5: He also didn't support the event on his social channels. 459 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: It just seems like deja vu with everything that's gone 460 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 5: down with Matt Sakowski Reach. 461 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: It really does. And in December of twenty twenty two, 462 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: The Daily Mail claimed Tammy told a makeup artist on 463 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: a photoshoot that it was tough being a single mother 464 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: of three. Apparently, she explained that she had to bring 465 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: Posey on set with her because she'd split from Matt, 466 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: and then in January twenty twenty three, it was widely 467 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: reported that they had broken up, with both removing each 468 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: other from their social media accounts again and. 469 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 5: A couple of months later, in March, Tammy replied to 470 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 5: a comment on TikTok asking what happened with Matt, and 471 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 5: she wrote, some people are just not meant to be together, 472 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 5: no matter how hard they try. We're much better as friends, 473 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 5: not that it's anyone's business. She also responded to a 474 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: fan asking why Matt wasn't in her YouTube video, writing, 475 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: that's just part of my life. I'm choosing not to 476 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 5: share anymore, and out of respect for everyone and for 477 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: my kids, I just don't feel like I need to 478 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 5: give an explanation now. 479 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: If we fast forward to May, all eyes were on 480 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: Tammy's son Wolfe's birthday to see if Reese Hawkins would 481 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: show up, and he didn't. Disappoint so Tammy's sister Emily 482 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: shared a video to her Instagram story of recent Tammy 483 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: chowing down on burgers together. 484 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 5: Oh this was crazy to see, particularly because of the 485 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: timing of this reunion between them, because they were both 486 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 5: seemingly single and there were sort of flirty vibes between 487 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 5: the two of them. I think people were hoping that 488 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 5: they might get back together. 489 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: And it's also seemed like he'd gotten the green light 490 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: from Tammy's family, the fact that it was Emily sharing 491 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: the photo of them. 492 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 5: Together and she was like mum and dad like she 493 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 5: was sort of shipping the relationship I suppose as well. 494 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: And this resulted in a lot of people praising both 495 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: Reese and Tammy for their co parenting and getting along 496 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 5: so well for their children's sake. 497 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: Now, at around the same time the video of Tammy 498 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 2: and Reese e merge, Matt Paul made a snarky remark 499 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: on his Instagram. So he shared a photo of him 500 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: posing on a balcony and someone commented saying he should 501 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: use the photo for an online dating profile. He replied, 502 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: I don't need Tinder. I'm happy with the new upgrade 503 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: with a wink emoji face. Now, the backlash was swift, 504 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: but Matt claimed it was just a joke and he 505 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: was on good terms with Tammy. He wrote, calm your speculation. 506 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: The upgrade has nothing to do with what you were thinking. 507 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: The mother of our child and I are fine. I'm 508 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: single and certainly not miserable. Matt went on to claim 509 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 2: that the original commenter was a mate who sold him 510 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: a surfboard. The joke is the new board is my upgrade, 511 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: and I don't need Tinder, a dating app. Mind blown. 512 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 5: It just goes to show you can't read into every comment. 513 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 5: Sometimes the tone and the context isn't there. 514 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: Sometimes the punctuation isn't there either. Now there's like spelling 515 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: errors apparently, which lead people to think or read too 516 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: much into things. 517 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 5: Now, I swear the influencers don't know what an apostrophe is. 518 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 5: I get so annoyed about it. 519 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you get very triggered by things like 520 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: that now. In July of twenty two, twenty three, Matt 521 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: Paul Hard launched his new girlfriend, Mattie Woodward. He shared 522 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: a selfie of the pair cuddling on his Instagram story 523 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: and this was just months after he and Tammy broke up. 524 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the photo showed them relaxing at the beach, 525 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 5: and moments after the news broke, Tammy shared a video 526 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 5: of her andner sister Ava miming to a song about 527 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 5: seeing your ex with a new woman. So the song 528 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: was called Angel Eyes and it sung by the cast 529 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 5: of Mamma Mia Here we go again, and the lyrics say, 530 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 5: one night I was taking a walk along a river 531 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 5: when I saw him together with a young girl, and 532 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 5: the look that he gave me, gave me shivers because 533 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 5: he always used to look at me that way. Now, 534 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 5: they filmed this video while they were holidaying Impositano. As 535 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: you can imagine, everyone went nuts and said that she 536 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 5: was trying to throw shade at Matt Paul and his 537 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 5: new young girlfriend. Tammy came out and denied the video 538 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 5: and said that she'd actually sent herself the viral song 539 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 5: and had planned a mime to it when they were 540 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 5: in Italy. Let's hear more of what she said. 541 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 7: As per usual, everything I post like people think it's 542 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 7: directed at someone, it's shade at someone, or it's some 543 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 7: hidden secret meaning behind it. No, to me, TikTok is 544 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 7: just TikTok. I You'll never ever, I can assure you, 545 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 7: you will never see me like posting something directed at 546 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 7: someone or being shady. That is just not not who 547 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 7: I am. That's not I'm too focused on my own 548 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 7: life to even be aware of what's going on at 549 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 7: other people's lives, let alone, like, look at this view, 550 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 7: look at where I am. 551 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: Do you actually think she was throwing shade? 552 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 5: Yes? 553 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: I do now. In April of twenty twenty four, Tammy 554 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: broke her silence on her breakup with Matt Paul during 555 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: an interview with me A Friedman on her podcast No Filter. 556 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: When asked if there's been anything she's wanted to share 557 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: but hasn't, Tammy said her breakup with Matt Paul. She 558 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: said the reason and why she didn't talk about it 559 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: publicly was because she felt like a failure, having two 560 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: failed engagements involving children. 561 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 5: Now, as sof and I discussed in the first episode 562 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 5: of this series. Tammy also touched on her breakup with 563 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 5: Matt Paul briefly in her book, saying that it left 564 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 5: her devastated, and she wrote that ultimately her and Matt 565 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 5: weren't meant to be and while she wanted it to work, 566 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 5: it was beyond her control. 567 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: She then said this, I'm not going to go into 568 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: the ins and outs of our relationship. Obviously, we're human, 569 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: we're not perfect. We have ups and downs like everybody else. 570 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: I just wanted to let you guys know that we're 571 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: not currently together. I don't want people to think that 572 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 3: we just gave up like most people would know. There's 573 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: a lot more to it. When it comes to relationships. 574 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: They're very complex. We love each other very much, and 575 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: we're always going to be a family. No matter what, 576 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: Our kids come first. Their health and their happiness are 577 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: always going to be my number one priority. 578 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 5: It's interesting to compare how Tammy dealt with her breakup 579 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 5: with Matt Paul compared to her most recent breakup now 580 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: with Matt Zakowski. She was so private about it. She 581 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 5: didn't even want to admit that they weren't together anymore, 582 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 5: and it seemed like the easiest thing for her to 583 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 5: do was just to pretend it wasn't happening. It's so 584 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 5: interesting that that was the strategy behind it, and it 585 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 5: kind of worked because Matt moved on, Tammy moved on. 586 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 5: They now have this really good co parenting relationship with Posey, 587 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 5: and Posey can look back and go, oh, Okay, my 588 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: mum and dad didn't fight it out in the headlines. 589 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I think the fact that they had 590 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: a baby involved makes this breakup very different to her 591 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: breakup with Matt. 592 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: Now, after all of that, it seemed like we were 593 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 5: set to get the best reality TV series, but alas, 594 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 5: it never eventuated. In an interview in twenty twenty four, 595 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 5: Emily Hembro revealed that her family pulled the pin on 596 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 5: the reality show. After seeing how they were portrayed in 597 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 5: the pilot Wow, So, she complained that they made the 598 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 5: family look so bad and it was fake dry. She said, 599 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 5: I feel like my family has authentic drama and problems 600 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: that are really relatable, and I don't know, I don't 601 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: think we needed the fake kind of stuff. Now, Emily 602 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 5: didn't name the network in case it breached their agreement. 603 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 5: I have to say that I think this network, whoever 604 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 5: it was, has completely fumbled this deal. It is a 605 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 5: travesty that we will not be seeing Matt Poole proposing 606 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: to Tammy Hembro and all of the manufactured drama go down. 607 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: It does seem like. 608 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 5: The reality show might not totally be off the cards 609 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 5: because just recently, the Hembro sisters were on a press 610 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 5: tour for the launch of their supplement brand and they 611 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 5: were asked by The Daily Telegraph about a potential career 612 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: shift into reality TV, and Tammy responded saying, if we 613 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 5: did anything, it would be obviously like real And she 614 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: went on to say, I feel like it's not something 615 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: we wouldn't do. Let's just leave it at that, Stay tuned. Now. 616 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 5: Amy said that the show would have to be right 617 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 5: and authentic to them. She said, we wouldn't want it 618 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 5: to be drama focused, and you know, like what a 619 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 5: lot of stuff is out there. Emily added, its not 620 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 5: off the books. So this has got me thinking. I 621 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: think a streaming service like Netflix or Prime has come 622 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 5: to Tammy Hembro and said, we want to make a 623 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 5: docuseries about you, similar to the one that Molly May 624 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: has just done, and it's not manufactured drama. It's following 625 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 5: you around and sharing your side of things. Given that 626 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: Tammy has just broken up with Masakowski, it is the 627 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 5: absolute perfect time. 628 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: It would just be the Australian Molly May. Wouldn't it 629 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: be framed like that, coming fresh off the back of 630 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: a breakup? I mean, I'm hoping that then Tammy wouldn't 631 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: end up back with Matt Lake. Molly's enter Tobby. 632 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 5: No. Now that is where we are going to leave 633 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 5: things today. Next week we're taking you back to the 634 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: start of Tammy Hembro and Matsakowski's brief but controversial love story. 635 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 5: I cannot wait. Thank you again for listening to this 636 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 5: special deep dive series on Tammy Hembro. This podcast was 637 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 5: recorded on the Traditional Land of the Ghana people of 638 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 5: the Adelaide planes. We pay respect to Elder's past and 639 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 5: present