1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what your cholesterol is? Or when was 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: the last time that you had a blood test? On 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: today's episode of The Nutrition Couch, we chat all things cholesterol, 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: What the numbers mean, when you need to pay attention 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: to your actual cholesterol and when is it time to 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: take some action. I'm Leanne Wars and I'm Susy Burrow, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: and together we bring you The Nutrition Couch, your weekly 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: podcast that keeps you up to date with everything that 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: you need to know in the world of nutrition as 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: well as all things cholesterol. We tackle the issues circulating 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: on social media of protein powder versus skim milk powder. 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: We've also found a beautiful new dip we think our 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: listeners will love. And our list of question today is 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: all about kids' diets and how strict is too strict 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: when it comes to our kids nutrition. Like to kick 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: us up today, Susie, we are chatting all things cholesterol. 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: What if you got for us today? You get a 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: nice case study it just kick us off with. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: So I think you know, going back land twenty years 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: that was sort of the number one test that everyone 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: got done, wasn't it to check or infer heart related health? 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: And we would monitor our cholesterol levels, and we were 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: told we shouldn't have too many eggs because they contain 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: cholesterol levels and all of the aboves. So I think 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: cholesterol is certainly relevant. It's a predictor, a positive predictor 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: of heart disease risk. I think the issue, particularly for women, 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: is that going back again ten twenty years, what would 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: happen is with the rise of statin drugs, which are 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: cholesterol lowering medication, and heart disease was for a long time, 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: if not still a stayor's greatest predictor of death. You know, 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: it's a risk of death, whether it's heart disease, stroke, 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: up disease related illness. So doctors would look if you've 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: had high cholesterol levels and in many cases suggest that 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: you take a statin drug which would significantly reduce the 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: cholesterol being taken in by the blood and reduce heart 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: disease risk. Whereas now, like all areas of medicine, we're 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: learning a lot more and we know that it's not 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: just about cholesterol levels. It's about what we call the 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: ratios of good to bad cholesterol in the blood stream, 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: and also things like classification score, which is how hard 41 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: or sort of rigid arteries are as well as family 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: risk factors, because it's quite possible for people to have 43 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: high circulating cholesterol levels, no damage to the arteries, no 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: positive family history, and that may not warrant medications. So 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: it's not a case of it's high, get it down. 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: It's really looking at the overall risk. But the numbers 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: that we tend to look at are a total cholesterol level, 48 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: and that ranges between about three point nine and five 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: point two, So a lot of women will sit sort 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: of five point two five point six lesson six, and 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: that may not be a concern, particularly if your LDL 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: cholesterol levels, which are the sort of enflame bad cholesterol, 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: is relatively low. So it's recommended that LDL cholesterol be 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: below say two million miles per later and not heading 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: above three. So you might have a total high cholesterol level, 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: but your LDLs are relatively low, and as such it 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: may be deemed that that's not a signay at risk. 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: And that can be the case for people who have 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: got high levels of what we call HDL, which is 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: the high density of proteins, which is what we know 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: is the good cholesterol, and that basically helps to rid 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: the artery of the sticky damaging LDL cholesterol and predictors 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: of high HDL cholesterol or high levels of physical activity. 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: So people who are athletes or doing a lot of 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: training can have high HDL levels over too, which is 66 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: basically a very protective measure of cholesterol in the blood. 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: And then you have triglycerides, which can be an independent 68 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: risk factor, and certainly there are some people genetically who 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: can have incredibly high triglyceride levels in the hospital. If 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: you've ever worked at a lipid clinic that might be 71 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: managing someone who's got those very high triglyceride levels. It's 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: generally recommended that triglycerides would be less than one. Now 73 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: it's about the overall risk, But I think the message 74 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: for our listeners today, yes, you should be getting a 75 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: blood cholesterol level done annually, absolutely, and what we're tracking, 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: similar to blood glucose levels, increases over time. So if 77 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: your cholesterol has always sat at six, it doesn't change. 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Your LDLs aren't overly high, your hathgls are hopefully close 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: to two, you wouldn't do much. But what we want 80 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: to pay attention to, particularly through your forties and beyond, 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: is when your LDLs start to increase, because that is 82 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: an early warning or early sign that perimenopause is kicking in. 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: Your estrogen levels are lowering over time, and as that's 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: your insulin, glucose and cholesterol are creeping up, and that's 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: certainly a time to act because if you can prevent 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: that and reduce the information in your body by doing 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: things like including ten serves of leafy veggies and fruit 88 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: each day, consuming the positive ratio of good fats to 89 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: bad fats, minimizing your intake of fatty meat process meat, 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: increasing your intake of amega three fats from oily fish, 91 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: perhaps utilizing a product like a plant steril milk or 92 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: even a plant sterol supplement that you can get in 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: in health food stores and in pharmacies, which is a 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: plant sterol in a capsule form. You may successfully be 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: able to reduce your own cholesterol by as much as 96 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: ten to twenty percent, which is what the data shows, 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: and for you, that may be enough to keep that 98 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: LDL level under control. And then following on from that, 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: if you do start to see cholesterol levels increasing, you 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: would get a calcium score done and a referral for 101 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: that to see if there is any damage happening to 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: the arteries. And on top of that, you would discuss 103 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: with your GP where the medication was necessary. Now, if 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: there's a positive family history, for example, it may be 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: pertinent prudent to use a satin drug. If a cholesterol 106 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: is significantly raised around the sevens to eight, even with 107 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: no calcification, it may be deemed prudent to try statin medication. 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: So these are all the things to consider now. In 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: my clinical experience, it's rare that you can get someone 110 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: who's got a cholesterol of seven or eight down to 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: a normal level. Usually that's familiar hypercholesterol that's going to 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: require often medication. It may be deemed you don't need 113 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: it if there's no positive family risk, but that's certainly 114 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: a discussion for a doctoral cardiologist. For me, in my 115 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: clinical experience, if cholesterol is six or lower, that is 116 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: when diet can help to get it into normal range. 117 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: And all for the perimenopausal women whose LDLs are creeping up, 118 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: it is possible to reduce them. But what I would 119 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: want to be clear about is if your cholesterol is 120 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: significantly higher, diet alone is unlikely to bring a cholesterol 121 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: seven or eight down. It's more likely your livers churning 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: out cholesterol genetically, and that's when you need to talk 123 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: to the medical doctor to see what is the best 124 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: management strategy. I think sometimes we're led to believe lean 125 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: that we have full control over all these variables and 126 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: eating a healthy diet will bring cholesterol, and I want 127 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: to be very clear on the podcast that is not 128 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: the case. Diet can get one or two points out, 129 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: it can't get three or. 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: Four or five. 131 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: It just doesn't work like that. So I think being 132 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: aware of that in general, also, particularly for our listeners, 133 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: acting early and grabbing it when it's creeping up is 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: the best thing to do. Yeah. 135 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's really important that you know people particular 136 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: our listeners don't feel any shame for having high cholesterol 137 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: levels either, because, as you said, sometimes it is it 138 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: is very genetic, you know, li linked and even if 139 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: you have the best art in the world, you exercise 140 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: like crazy, you eat so well, you can still have 141 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: really high cholesterol. So just having high cholesterol in itself 142 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: also isn't inherently a risk. But this is absolutely a 143 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: discussion for your doctor because there are other tests that 144 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: they can do, and I've certainly had many clients who 145 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: have had genetically high cholesterol. My husband does as well. 146 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: You know that their mums and dads have both had 147 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: high cholesterol. It runs through the family, you know, And 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: it's actually about looking at your risk factors. So David 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: does have that genetic high cholesterol as well. No matter 150 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: how well he eats, he's very fit, he's got a 151 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: dietisin wife. His cholesterol has always been high. No matter 152 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: what we've done. You know, We've tried adding in a 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: ton of fiber, We've tried adding in a bit of 154 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: klucan from the oats, We've tried all the different strategies 155 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: and nothing really works, and it does continue to trend 156 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: up over time. So the genetic risk is a huge thing. 157 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: But when I said to him, to go back to 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: your doctor and ask for the risk profile. So there's 159 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: a couple of different tests that your doctor can run 160 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: that essentially looks at despite you having high cholesterol, it 161 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: looks at your overall risk of having what they call 162 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: like an adverse you know, cardiac situation, basically a heart attack. 163 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: And he did all of those tests and it basically 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: came back that he had a less than one percent 165 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: chance of you know, having something really bad happen from 166 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: like a cardiac perspective. So the doctor was like, look, 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: you're doing all the right things, keep going with them, 168 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: but we will at some point need to look at 169 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: getting you onto a stat and to start reducing your 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: overall cholesterol. So I just think that that is really 171 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: really important to keep in mind. And if you are 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: someone that has done all the right things from a 173 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: diet and a lifestyle and an exercise perspective, yet it 174 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: hasn't really made a difference to your cholesterol, it is 175 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: certainly a good time to go and have a chat 176 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: to either your standard doctor or a cardiologist and actually 177 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: come up with a really great game plan. And if 178 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: that includes medication, then there's absolutely no shame in that. 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: It's like any other type of medical disease as well, 180 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: that some things are best managed with medication, but also 181 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: diet and lifestyle can play, you know, a role alongside 182 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: that as well. So I do think it's worth knowing 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: that there are different tests that assess your risk based 184 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: on different types of cholesterol markers, your age, your waste measurement, 185 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: all these sorts of things as well. So if you 186 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: haven't had that discussion with your doctor, it's probably a 187 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: good time to go and get your risk assessed because 188 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: it might, you know, just give you a bit of 189 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: clarity and acceptance around potentially your high cholesterol level despite 190 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: doing all the right things. 191 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 2: And I think when it comes to food solutions, particularly 192 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: if you've just got a slight elevation so you're sitting 193 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: just in the fives or those sixes, I absolutely think 194 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: it is worth trialing a plant sterol. A plant sterol 195 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: is added to different foods, including some of the milk cereals, 196 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: and consuming that every day has been clinically shown to 197 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: help redges cholesterol by I think it's ten percent. But 198 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: you've got to have the two to three grams of 199 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: plant sterols daily. It's not enough just to do it occasionally. Now. 200 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't like the margarines. I don't think it's a 201 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: positive health message adding in process that to get plant sterols. 202 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: I think there are better options. And there are two 203 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: milks I utilize frequently with clients. There is the Dairy 204 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: Farmer's Heart Active milk, which is found in audi and 205 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: both supermarkets, and then there's the Long Life Australia's own 206 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: version which has also got the plant sterrels added and 207 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: there's also a wheat Bix. So I think if you're 208 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: a cereal eater and have milk regularly in coffees or 209 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: smoothies or a cereal each day, or add a cholesterol 210 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: owned wheatbis to your smoothie with some cholesterol lowering milk, 211 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: that can be a very effective option. And if you 212 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: don't consume those products, the next best is the plant 213 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: sterol supplement that you can get. Black Mores have one 214 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: which is called I've got it in front of me 215 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: because I do tend to have a bit of high 216 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: Cholesterolia Cholesterol Health is the Blackmore supplement that you must 217 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,239 Speaker 2: take it regularly. It's not enough to do it sporadically. 218 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: So I think that is certainly worth a try for 219 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: the individuals who find it is creeping out because it 220 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: is clinically proven to reduce cholesterol. Buy as much as 221 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: ten percent. Yeah. 222 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I'll just make one final point on the 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: margarine because it makes me laugh that mum my dad 224 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: has like slightly high cholesterol and mom buys him the margarine. 225 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: What is it logical or floor or proactive one of them? 226 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: But he takes like just the tiniest little scrap on 227 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: the tip of his knife and puts it on, you know, 228 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: with his vegimin. I've said to him, Dad, it's not 229 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: going to do a thing unless you use the proper amount. 230 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: And I said to him, don't buy it, get him 231 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: something else because he's not using it, so he's not 232 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: going to get the clinical dose. So it's something like 233 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: a massive heat tablespoon of that every single day, which 234 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: is not something as dieticians we want you to actively 235 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: add into your diet, like more margarine. It's not a 236 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: great thing. So if you are someone who does use 237 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: that type of margarine at home, you're effectively just wasting 238 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: your money because it's not cheap like it's goes to 239 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: ten dollars or something at tub, isn't it. And unless 240 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: you are using the clinical dose, which I believe is 241 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: a good tablespoon or so a day, you're actually not 242 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: going to get any benefits at all. You have to 243 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: use enough of the clinical dose, is what we always 244 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: say is dietitians when you're looking at different types of supplements, 245 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: if it doesn't have the effective clinical dose in there, 246 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: you're basically just wasting your money if you're not taking enough. 247 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: So sometimes like Susie said, I recommend for my clients 248 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to have a range of the products, so they might 249 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: have the week bigs one day, the hearts might milk 250 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: another day. And then there's also a great fiber blend 251 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: on the market that has the cholesterol lowering stuff in 252 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: it as well. So there's a range of different products, 253 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: but you do need to ensure that you are having 254 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: them regularly, or as Susie said, there is a supplement 255 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: version of it as well if that is your preference 256 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: or you find that easier to take. But consistency, like creatine, 257 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: it has to be daily or you're not going to 258 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: get the full benefits from these cholesterol lowering options. 259 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: True, true, true, true, All right, Leanne, there was a 260 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: scandal online recently and we had a few questions from 261 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: some of our clients when they had heard that protein powder, 262 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: which we make under our design by Dietitians brand, had 263 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: been compared to skim milk powder, suggesting that it was 264 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: much more cost effective to swap out protein powdery your 265 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: diet for skim milk powder, and straight away our tails 266 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: started wagging because we instantly said, it's not the same thing. 267 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: So we thought it's actually a topic that we haven't 268 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: covered before on the Nutrition Couch, and I think that 269 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: a lot of our listeners are interested because if you 270 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: aren't familiar and have not used protein powder before, it 271 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: can be a little bit confronting. So by way of background, 272 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: I in my past life was a sports dietian and 273 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: as a sports ditician, we would routinely use good quality protein. 274 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: And when we talk about good quality protein, we're often 275 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: referring to what Leanne and I use in our design 276 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: by dietitians range, which is way protein isolate. And the 277 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: reason that I always used it is that basically you 278 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: can get twenty to thirty grams of the highest purest 279 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 2: form of protein in a very small amount of food 280 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: because when you're working with athletes, they don't necessarily have 281 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: time or capacity to sit down to bucket and buckets 282 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: of steak and chicken breast, particularly through the day. So 283 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: that is what it is. Protein powder is nothing to 284 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: be scared of. It is a pure form of concentrated 285 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: form of protein in a very small amount of food. 286 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: But leand it is not the same as skim milk powder, 287 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: is it? Tell us why? Yeah? 288 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: So we saw some comments online saying that skim milk 289 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: powder is the same nutritionally as protein powder. And now 290 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: all these comments saying, oh my gosh, this is amazing, 291 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: what a great hauck. You know, I spend so much 292 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: money on protein powder wise is so expensive, and so 293 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: we think we just want to be very clear that 294 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: skim milk powder can be a great option. Is it 295 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: budget friendly? Absolutely? Are you going to get a small 296 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: boost of protein from mixing in a bit of skim 297 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: milk powder into your smoothie or something, Probably, But will 298 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: you get the same amount of protein, same amount of calorie, 299 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: same amount of carbohydrate from a good quality WPI. Absolutely not. 300 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: And we need to be very very clear that they 301 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: are fundamentally different things from a nutrition perspective because way 302 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: protein isolate or what we call WPI as disese, that 303 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: is a very concentrated form and as such, the carbohydrate, 304 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: the sugar and the lactose content is sign magnificantly lower 305 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: in a WPI than in a skim milk powder, and 306 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: the protein is significantly higher. So a serve of skim 307 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: milk powder and it is a budget from the option. 308 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, you can get a kill all of it 309 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: for around I think eleven bucks or something at the shops, right, 310 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: So a serve of that, which they're saying is forty 311 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: grams on the packet is about one hundred calories, about 312 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: just shy of nine grams of protein, so eight point 313 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: seven grams of protein with thirteen and a half grams 314 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: of carb and thirteen and a half grams of sure. 315 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: So the sugars are naturally occurring. There's only one ingredient 316 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: in skim milk powder, and that is skim milk, and 317 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: so the sugars are naturally recurring. We're not concerned about that. 318 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: But it does have overall thirteen grams of carbohydrate in there, 319 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: and when you compare that to a good quality WPI, 320 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: so I'm going to use our digestive pre and probodic 321 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: protein from designed by dieticians. The serving size on the 322 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: pack we say is thirty grams, and in that it's 323 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: one hundred calories, so similar amount of calories, but twenty 324 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: four grams of protein compared to the skim milk powder, 325 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: which has just shy of nine grams of protein. So 326 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: you simply cannot say subbing skim milk powder for a 327 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: good quality WPI is the same amount of protein, because 328 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: nine grams is not twenty four grams of protein. Does 329 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: skim milk powder have protein in there, Yes, but it 330 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have obviously the same amount that a good quality 331 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: WPI does have. Now, carbohydrate wise, is skim milk had 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: thirteen point three grams of serve, whereas a good quality 333 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: WPI has less than one gram of carbohydrate and less 334 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: than one gram of sugar. And the other thing to 335 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: really be aware of as well, is because WPI is 336 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: very concentrated and a lot of that lactose is sort 337 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: of strained off the case is taken off. It is 338 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: very very low in lactose. I've had so many clients 339 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: have said, you know, I can't tolerate dairy based protein. 340 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Yet they've tried out pre in probotic blend, which we've 341 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, especially formulated for digestive concerns with the added 342 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: pre and proboiotics in it. It is also certified gluten free. 343 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: We have external testing, so it's safe the celiacs. And 344 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: of course it's very very low in lactose, not technically 345 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: lactose free, but sitting just above that threshold of what 346 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: is considered lactose free, so zero point three grams of 347 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: lactose in there. So the majority of people who do 348 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: struggle with theiry I am going to assume, would be 349 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: absolutely fine with a good quality WPI. So that's the 350 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: main difference is where it's significantly lower in lactose, significantly 351 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: higher in protein, and also I would say significantly higher 352 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: thirteen and a half grams of card versus one gram 353 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: of carb. So if you're looking for something to really 354 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: boost the protein up in your diet, but keep the 355 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: carbs and the sugars a lot lower. Which lets be honest, 356 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: most women in perry or trying to lose weight are 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: or in menopause. They are looking for these things on 358 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: an nuitution panel. This is the difference between a WPI 359 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: and a skim milk powder. And do you pay more 360 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: for it? Of course you do, because it's about what 361 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: is it three or fours to one? Do you know 362 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you're getting you would have to 363 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: use about four times that skim milk powder to get 364 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: close to the amount of protein that you get from 365 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: a good quality WPI. And having said that, you would 366 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: also get four times the carbohydrate. So Susie mass isn't 367 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: my strong point, but four times thirteen is you know 368 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: what I mean? You're getting upwards of forty to fifty 369 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: gram of carb in that skim milk powder, and then 370 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: you're having about four servings of it to get to 371 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: that twenty plus grams of protein. So we're not banging 372 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: on skim milk powder. It's a great product, it is 373 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: very budget friendly, but it is fundamentally a very different 374 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: thing to WPI, so you cannot use it in the 375 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: same realm of comparison. It's sort of like saying, you know, 376 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: this is an orange and this is apple juice, Like 377 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: they're different products, but they're also they have very different applications. 378 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I would say, as well. 379 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: It will it be like orange juice compared to beetroot juice, 380 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: Like they're kind of similar, but they're not, you know, 381 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: they wears orange and apple juices quite do what you please, 382 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: do what you please with it. But we just wanted 383 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: to really be aware that this is the reason that 384 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: a good quality WPI obviously costs a lot more. And 385 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: if your goals are. 386 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: To really get in a good hit of protein into 387 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: your breakfast routine or you know, have that good twenty 388 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: thirty grams that we normally talk about through the afternoons, 389 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: you really help control blood sugars and hormones and cravings. 390 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: This can be a really really smart option, but there 391 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: are certainly other options available as well. You know, three eggs, 392 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: some chicken breads, a tin of tuna, some cottage cheese 393 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: on crackers, there are many other ways that you can 394 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: get protein powder in as well. But I personally find 395 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: and you do as well as Susie, that as practicing dieticians, 396 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: women are busy, so this is a very convenient option. 397 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: A WPI is a convenient option to get a high 398 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: quality protein amount for very low calories and very low 399 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: carbohydrate and very low lactose as well. So if you 400 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: struggle with yogurts and cottage cheese, perhaps this is a 401 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: better option for you because it's just better tolerated from 402 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: a digestive health perspective. So do what you want with that. 403 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: But we just wanted to cover it on a segment 404 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: because we haven't talked about it before, and I think 405 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: it is really good to sort of dispel some of 406 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: these miss circulating online. So I think it's a great option. 407 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: It's a booster for proteinskim milk if you will, you 408 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: know it can boost you diet, but you know eight 409 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: nine grams of protein. But we do know that the 410 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: research is really supporting that women from a weight loss 411 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: perspective or a hormonal perspective going through perimenopause really need 412 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: upwards of thirty grams of protein per meal. So if 413 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: you have other types of protein that meal and you 414 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: want to add an extra nine or ten grams or 415 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: the skim milk powder, that's a great option. But if 416 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: you didn't have much protein in your meal to start with, 417 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: you know, nine grams isn't going to get you up 418 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: over that kind of thirty grams that ideally we look 419 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: for for a lot of women when it comes to 420 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: a breakfast, lunch, or a dinner meal. So do you 421 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: want anything to say to round out that segment, SEUs. 422 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: Or I just think it's a functional ingredient, Like I think, 423 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: we want to be clear that whilst we do make 424 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: protein powder, we're not making everyone use it. It's an 425 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: ingredient that complements the diet. It's not a necessity. But 426 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: what I find with busy women is that it just 427 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: means that when they're making a smoothie, they've got a base. 428 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: If I've got vegetarians, it might be that they can 429 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: have a protein coffee in the afternoon. So it's just 430 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: an alternity to eggs to meet all the time to 431 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: get the highest quality protein. Now, of course there are 432 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: plant based options available. Eventually we will make a plant 433 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: based protein, but the reason that at the moment we 434 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: have the WPI is it's the gold standard. It's the 435 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: best quality, which is what it's expensive. So yeah, I 436 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: don't think it's an all or nothing. You don't have 437 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: to use it do. I use it probably twice a week. 438 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: I don't use it all time, But it's just an 439 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: ingredient that you can add to bump it off and 440 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: in the case of our protein, tastes really good. So yeah, 441 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: I think it's just getting some context around it, because 442 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: if you haven't used protein before, it can be a 443 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: bit confronting, but there's nothing to be scared about it. 444 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: It's just basically concentrated milk protein and it is an 445 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: option for people to bump up the protein content in 446 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: their diet. So and I'll also just say quickly that 447 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: we do have two blends available at design by dieticians 448 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: as well. We have our Digestive Protein blend, which is 449 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: safe for healthy, pregnant and breastfeeding women as well, so 450 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: it's our sort of our family friendly blend word Hubby 451 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: wants to take it like my husband takes it, David 452 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 2: takes it, Chris uses it. It's a great all rounder 453 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: from it protein perspective, it's got added pre and probotics 454 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: for digestive help as well, and then we have our women, 455 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: which is our protein for hormone support, so in that 456 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: is obviously a high quality WPR, we actually also add 457 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: methylated follow to help support thyroid health and function. We 458 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: also add a serve of enoceotol and chromium which helps 459 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: to support blood sugar regulation, and there is a three 460 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: hundred milligram serving of calcium in there as well, which 461 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: we know busy women often struggle to get in their 462 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: diet through whole foods as well, So that is also 463 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: why we do add some expension functional ingredients to our 464 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: protein blends as well, so they are more expensive than 465 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: what you would call a commercially available or a supermarket 466 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: option of protein powder as well, and a lot of 467 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: the supermarket blends will blend WPR with milk powder and WPC, 468 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: so they're creating a blend whereas ours is all WPI. 469 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: So it is the highest quality protein, which does mean 470 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: that it is lower in lactose and a lot lower 471 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: in carbohydrate in sugar as well then a lot of 472 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: what the supermarket blends turn out. It's true. All right, 473 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 2: onto other things in and it's time to talk dips. 474 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: Because we are cheeky dip lovers, chiky cheese platter lovers, 475 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: don't we. 476 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: We love a good platter. 477 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god. And I can sit down with a 478 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: girlfriend and have a champagne and a platter. Oh that 479 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: is just what I'm happiest, isn't that. Oh? Anyway, we 480 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: found a new dip. This is actually a listener request 481 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: and I haven't actually seen it in audi, but I 482 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: think similar to a number of dips, they're also the 483 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: same as sink holes colds. 484 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's the goals. 485 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: It's the Black Swan seasonal addition, Green Goddess dip, and 486 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: Green Goddess got a lot of attention several years ago 487 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: with a beautiful salad and you can still get that 488 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: salad mix thing. It's got cranberries and some flaked almonds 489 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: and things in it. And this is a dip that's 490 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: been based on that. And like all things nutritional, if 491 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: it looks green, it's surely. 492 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: It's healthy for us. 493 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: Lead So it's like a closer look at retails for 494 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: four dollors fifty probably cheap Renaldi and the ingredient it's 495 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: the first ingredient, yoget sixty five percent with milk, milk solids, 496 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: multiplier culture, nine percent, avocado, pure water, vegetable oil, feta, mayonnaise, 497 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: spring onion, lemon, juice, garlic, puree, salt, herbs, thickness, sugar, spice, preservatives, 498 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: but in very small amounts, which is a very nice 499 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: nutritional profile for a dip. I have to say. It 500 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: comes in pretty low coal and a ten gram serve, 501 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: which is very small to tea spoons. It's under one 502 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: hundred kilogeels, which is just thirty calories. It is not 503 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: low in fat overall, but pretty low for a dip. 504 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: So it's fourteen percent fat, and that's compared to say 505 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: thirty forty percent for cream cheese type dips. And the 506 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: saturated fat again not low but pretty good for a dip, 507 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: so four percent per serve. Very low in carbohydrate and sugars, 508 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: coming in eight percent carbohydrate overall and pretty low in 509 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: sodium two at four ninety five milligrams per hundred, which 510 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: comes in at less than one hundred milligrams per serve. 511 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: So I would give this dip a ten out of ten. 512 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: It's one of the healthiest sticks out there, with the 513 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: exception of something that's you know, really high percentage avocado. 514 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: It's actually pretty low calorie. I haven't tried it, but 515 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: I look at it and think it probably tastes pretty 516 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: good and it would be up there with my top 517 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: dips if you can find it and enjoy it. So 518 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: whilst you can look at the ingredient list and see 519 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: a few additives, overall, give it a sixty five percent 520 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: yoga at nine percent avocado, so over seventy percent sort 521 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: of whole food ingredient. It's one of the best dips 522 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: you can find, so big fan of it. I like 523 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 2: it a lot land if you tried it. 524 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: No, I haven't tried it, but I like it a 525 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: lot too. I'd give it nine out of ten, which is, 526 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, very strong still just because you know, there 527 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: are a couple of emulsifiers and you know, thicknose colors 528 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: that kind of thing added. But overall, like you said, 529 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: the ingredient Liss is very very strong. I do love 530 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: that it's dray made. I also do love that it's 531 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: gluten free, so for our CILIAC listeners, that's a massive positive. 532 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: The allergens in the dip of milk and egg, so 533 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: just be worried of that if you have different types 534 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: of aligen needs. But otherwise I would think it tastes 535 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: really good, Like on a base of sixty five percent yogat, 536 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: it's going to be creamy, right. But my only hesitation 537 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: would be the serving size of ten grand. It's like, 538 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: who's eating two teaspoons of dip? Like we're eating a 539 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: few tablespoons? Come on like, particularly if it tastes good, right, 540 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: So don't be fooled by the nutritional information panel like 541 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: the preserving Let's be honest, isn't that accurate In a 542 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: real world situation, I would happily eat probably at least 543 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: a third of that container. But I think that as 544 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: far as dip goes, this is certainly one of the 545 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: better options. And look, I hope it sticks around. We 546 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: see this all the time where really wonderful products come in, 547 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: nobody buys them, and they're gone off the shelf two 548 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: three months later. So Nutrition Couch community get behind it. 549 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: It's one of the good ones. I think Blackswan have 550 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: done a bit of an update in terms of their 551 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: dip range because I'm just looking at coals and there's 552 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: a buffalo ranch, which I'm going to assume is probably 553 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: not the healthiest one, same with the creamy ranch. But 554 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: there's also a beech root, a bubbaga, nush, a hummus, 555 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: a ziki, a roasted garlic, a spring onion, and a 556 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: spicy capsicum and a lower fat spicy capsicum. So they've 557 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: done a bit of a dip refresh I think lately, 558 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: and they've got some good options in there. But I 559 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: certainly will be buying this to try. It does look 560 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: very tasty, and I do like that it has a 561 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: basive yoga to add that cream inniscin, because a lot 562 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: of dips out there do have a base of basically 563 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: like cream or it's spoiled, don't they. That's sort of 564 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: the top ingredient and a lot of dips out there, 565 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: So the fact that it's a whole food ingredient as 566 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: the first ingredient is something that we'd love to see 567 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: as dieticians. 568 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: All Right, Anne, to finish us off today, we have 569 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: a listener question which is all about am I being 570 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: too strict with my kid's food? So our listener is 571 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 2: written in to say that she was at a party 572 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: and she was actively limiting the number of lollies that 573 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: her kids were eating, and her in laws had a 574 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: goal at her that she was being way too strict 575 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: and going to give her children an eating disorder. Are 576 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: we fairly strict with our children the ann or on 577 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: the laissez fair side of parenting? 578 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: You do tell? I think we're sort of somewhere in 579 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: the middle. We're in the nice middle. I like to think, well, 580 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a hard one, right, because I mean, 581 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: children are going to develop eating disorders. It's everywhere. It's online, 582 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: it's on social media. They're learning about dieting from their peers. 583 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't believe that limiting lollies at a party is 584 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: going to actively give you your child in eating disorder. 585 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: I also don't think a lot of the grandparents they 586 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of forget, you know, they're not there doing the 587 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: witching hour at nighttime. They're not there when you're trying 588 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: to get a screaming toddler into bed, you know, for 589 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: the next two hours. Because they're high on sugar after 590 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: a party. So I personally do I don't limit my kids, 591 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: but I say to my kids say, Okay, that's probably enough. Guys, 592 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: why don't you go choose a sandwich or a piece 593 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: of fruit or something. I'll say, there's some beautiful grapes 594 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: over there, why don't we go try that. I think 595 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: that it's fine. I think I would have more of 596 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: a problem if they were saying they can't have any 597 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: like it's off limits. And I'll give you a little 598 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: not a case study, but a little example where a 599 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: friend of a friend of mine came to me for 600 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: some advice because she said, my friend, who's a mum, 601 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: is too strict. What can I say to her? And 602 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: she was saying at the party, you know, she doesn't 603 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: ever allow the kids to have cakes. She brings her 604 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: own homemade like low sugar gummies. And when the cake 605 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: gets cut up and served, she says to the kids 606 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: and not allowed to have any cake. These are your gummies. 607 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: She doesn't let them touch anything. Then I'll add the 608 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: fairy bread. They can't have the tiny dirties, the cookies, 609 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: and I'll add anything. So she brings them a box 610 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: of veggies, sticks, some berries, and basically some homemade gummies. 611 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: So I would think, in my personal opinion that that 612 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: probably is a little bit too strict, because then she 613 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: went on to say, and then she saw that little 614 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: boy hiding under the table, scoffing. Dorito's trying to hide 615 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: from his mum. So I think that those kind of 616 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: when it is a bit too strict, it can backfire. 617 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: But I don't think that there's any problem personally. It's 618 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: putting boundaries on your kids, and it's not sort of 619 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: saying that you're ripping it out of their hands, but 620 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: it's sort of redirecting them in the moment because kids 621 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: don't do well with too much sugar. It's not good 622 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: for their teeth, it's not good you know, it's not 623 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: good for the hyperactivity you're going to get at bedtime 624 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: a few hours later. Like I certainly will encourage my 625 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: children to go more for the whole food options. But 626 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: when the cake gets cut, of course I'll let them 627 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: have some of the cake. But if they're going to 628 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: churn through packets of tiny teddies and lollies and biscuits, 629 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, I know that they want the 630 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: cake later, I'll just remind them, hey, guys, don't forget 631 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: we've got the cake coming. Do we want to have 632 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: a bit of frusis there and something to fill our 633 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: tummy up a little bit more. So we have a 634 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of discussions in our household around my kids are 635 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: still a little right two, and they'refore around what foods 636 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: fill us up more and what foods are more of 637 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: our treat kind of foods. And they have that understanding 638 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: that they know that if they have a packet of 639 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: crackers or tiny teddies doesn't fill. 640 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: Them up very much. 641 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: But if they have a sandwich, a meatball, you know, 642 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: a bit of chicken or something with some spinach, that 643 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: fills them up a lot more and gives them that 644 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: longer lasting energy. So I think we can do it 645 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: in the right way, but I don't personally believe. I mean, 646 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: we don't have a whole lot of context of this 647 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: that the listener was being too strict, And I think 648 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: it is difficult sometimes with you know, grandparents' family friends. 649 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're not there. They don't 650 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: know how your kids respond to sugar. They don't know 651 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: what the bedtime routines like, they don't know how much 652 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: other sugar the kids had in the day. They could 653 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: have started off the day with the stewberry milkshake and 654 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: already got a ton of sugar in, so they don't 655 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: know the context of the whole situation. So I think 656 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: it is important to hold your boundary and be firm 657 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: with that if you know that that is something that 658 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: your children and your family will do better with longer terms. 659 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: So if you ask me black or White, were they 660 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: being too strict? My answer would be no. I kind 661 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: of feel that to me, that sounds like good, you know, 662 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: gentle parenting. They haven't restricted completely, but they've also put 663 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 1: a little bit of a boundary or a limit on 664 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: their children, and I personally do the same as well. 665 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: What do you think. 666 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: I think ultimately how you run your family is completely 667 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: up to you. You know, there'll be some people who 668 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: have treats regularly, there'll be some who limit it. That 669 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 2: comes back to our early programming. So the first thing 670 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: I'd say is that it's completely up to you. I 671 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: think if I was judging it on it and eating 672 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: disorder spectrum, first of all, we want to be clear, 673 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: you can't give your kids an eating disorder. It doesn't 674 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: quite work like that as a complicated mix of biology, genetics, environment. 675 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: It's not as simple as that. But what I would 676 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: say is that generally speaking, when we're talking about disordered eating, 677 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: if you can't fit into activities of daily living, that's 678 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: when it's an issue. So in this context, I would say, 679 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: you basically want your kids to be to go to 680 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: a party and be normal kids. Now you may have 681 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: a child who needs more monitoring. So I've got one 682 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: child who could give or take the sweet style, and 683 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: I've got one who will sit and guzzle if I 684 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: let them. So if I'm just mindful at that event, 685 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: that I might say to my child who's more likely 686 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: to indulge enough, you've had enough. I don't say you 687 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: can't have it, but I say you've had enough. I 688 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: personally have quite strict girls on soft drink, and I 689 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: will actively say no soft drink, and I'll say that 690 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: to a pot a party, but in general other then 691 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: let them have lollies or cake or whatever. So I 692 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: think that you want your kids to be able to 693 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: be normal children. What is normal. Normal is going to 694 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: a party, Normal is having you know, a cake on 695 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: your birthday. But then when it gets down to the 696 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: more nitty gritty of more regular treats. Yeah, I think 697 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: it's okay if that assuits you to be stricter for 698 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: a range of reasons. So I would be thinking, what 699 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: do normal children do. Normal children do go to a 700 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: party and indulge a bit, But because as you've described, 701 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: you don't want to have the kid who's stuffing their 702 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: face full of lollies and sweets and hoarding. And I 703 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: see all the time here at a birthday party recently, 704 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: my boys turned ten and I went to Costco and 705 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: I got like a big box of those sort of 706 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: multi pit chocolates because it was a lot more cost effective, 707 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: and I just put them around the house. And there 708 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: were a couple of kids who shoved chocolates in the 709 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: whole night, whereas the bulk of them had a few 710 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: and then got sick of it. And some didn't have 711 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: money at all. And that's the normal bell cot of 712 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: eating behavior. That's what I would expect, but I would 713 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: be putting money on it. The kids who are stuffing 714 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: their face the whole time probably didn't have a lot 715 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: of access to chocolates, whereas I actually have chocolates around 716 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: my house all time because I grew up at a house 717 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: we didn't, and I think it does make you more 718 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: obsessive with food. And I want it to be neutral 719 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: that my kids are not just eating it because it's there. 720 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: They're eating it at a time and they actually want it, 721 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: and they're just as likely to grab a carrot. So 722 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: I think that works for me and each to their own. 723 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: Some people might find you don't want to have it 724 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: and you bring it in once a week. It's your 725 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: personal rules. But I think that is sort of a 726 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: reference point. What do normal children do and how can 727 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: we emulate that to not create the heightened obsession with 728 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: food that fuels when people feel overly restricted. 729 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, some great points. So hopefully that gives 730 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: that listener a few things to think about. But as 731 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: you said, it is very individualized. It is you are 732 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: the parent. You get to decide what your children and 733 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: what the family does, and what the rules are and 734 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: the boundaries are. But don't feel guilty for setting you know, 735 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: boundaries or family rules that are going to work for 736 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: your family. That's probably the bottom message, where only you 737 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: know the correct thing in terms of your children and 738 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: what they need in the time. All right, So that 739 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the nutrition catch for 740 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: another week. 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