WEBVTT - DEBRIEF AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR WITH 'CROC!' 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.720 TV Reload the podcast last week. Don't welcome back guys 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.640 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.720 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:12.360 in television. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.120 Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.520 lot of great television out there in Australia. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.040 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.239 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:23.720 had nothing to do with the news and. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.599 Casting agents they know from a casting point of view 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:27.440 what they need. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.960 And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.360 Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.040 some of the best TV in Australia. I have been 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.559 on the program since the beginning and it's kind of 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.640 in my DNA. So thanks for joining me each week 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.280 and I hope the podcast continues to give you real 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.080 insight into the magic of television today. On the podcast, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.600 I have Michael Kroker from Australian Survivor, who's the ninth 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.959 person to be eliminated from the Network ten series this year, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.640 The Global Phenomenon, produced by Enemol Shine Australia has had 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.360 me hooked from day one, and I've been lucky enough 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.760 to get some time with Mick appropriately nicknamed Kroc to 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.679 discuss all the meth in mayhem from his time on 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.120 the show. The NRAL Queensland had joined the competition with 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.120 his sister in law Chrissy, who has proven that while 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.040 she might not be the biggest Australian Survivor superfan, she 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.399 is definitely a super threat. We'll find out what Kroc 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.440 thinks of Chrissy outlasting him, the aftermath of his mate's blindside, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.160 who he's still in touch with, and why the hell 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.679 is no one flushing Carn's idol. There's plenty more to 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.800 come in the chat and without further ado, let's welcome 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.160 astral And Survivor's scariest looking teddy Bear from Queensland to 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:40.040 TV reload. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.679 It is ruthless from the minute you get out on 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:44.240 that show. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.280 Rock it's a Survivor super fan. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.400 I definitely wasn't holding back, but still you'll have to 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.560 play the game. I'm disappointed in Ben. I thought that 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.240 I had his back. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.520 Maybe he can forgive it, but not forget. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.760 You'll have to wait and see the football. I was 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.120 trying to get low and get underneath him. I first 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.240 subverted out of blood versus water. Crack. If we're going 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.440 to flush the idol, let's flush it properly. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.240 Hey mate, how are you? 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.120 I'm excellent. I thought I might have had a few 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.800 nightmares last night. However, I had a good sleep and 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.639 I've worken up feeling pretty good. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.799 Well, congratulations on your time and survivor. It was such 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.120 a big part of the game. How do you feel 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:23.800 about it now? 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.240 I'm actually really proud. I had a plan to go 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.400 in there, and you know, I got the feeling that 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.080 I may have been a physical threat. So, knowing the 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.080 game and loving the game, I knew that I had 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.240 certain elements of strategy that I wanted to enact, but 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.200 I didn't want to do that too early, because if 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.280 I'm seen as a physical and strategic threat early, then 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.080 obviously there's an extra target on my back. So I 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.200 was buying my time. I waited patiently. I enacted a 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.000 couple of plans and unfortunately just couldn't execute them. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:52.560 Is that to say that, you know, some of those 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.040 earlier challenges where people were expecting you to just destroy 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.560 people were you holding back at that point? 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.400 Oh, I know the ones against mar and the big fellas. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.840 He's just he's a monster. So yeah, he got the 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.680 better of me. It was frustrating for me. Obviously, I 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.160 don't like losing. I love competing, but it was fun. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.639 Like he's an x S A soldier, he's a trained killer, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.560 He's an absolute beast of a man and a machine, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.760 so it was fun coming up against him. I really 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.519 love that challenge. But yeah, I definitely, I definitely wasn't 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.120 holding back. The only one I would say that maybe 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.000 a little bit, was the first one where I came 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.760 up against Chrissy, But I just I just wanted everyone 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.880 to realize how fiercely competitive she was, and I think 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.840 even if I tried a little bit harder, she still 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.040 would have put up a really good fight. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.240 Well, I'm glad you didn't have nightmares last night, but 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.920 I've certainly had nightmares about him because watching the two 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.320 of you in the water, it was literally like two 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.080 crocodiles fighting and it was brutal. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.920 It was it was fun. Then I would love to 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.640 have done it on land, a bit of a wrestling 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.480 and fight like that, But obviously, you know his military training, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.480 especially in the water. I saw him walking through the 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.960 water just he was in he was in beast mode. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.160 You can tell that his balance and everything was really good. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.400 And myself as a football I was trying to get 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.760 low and get underneath him, but the ground was just 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.320 too slippery. So yeah, his training definitely came in handy, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.240 and I think I can learn a lot a lot 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.480 of lessons from what they've done in their past. And 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.720 one thing I'm filthy about is I didn't actually get 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.000 a chance to play with the big fellow. And you know, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.799 I've caught up with him a couple of times since, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.520 but he's just a great man. I'd love to hear 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.920 more about his stories and his training and his mindset. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.320 Well, they bring people back in survivors, so you just 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.679 never know. So maybe that'll happen in future. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.120 I could do it in a heartbeat. I would do 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.039 it every day if I could. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.560 Yeah, well I can imagine that you would. And well, look, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.520 let's cross that fingers that it does happen. You know, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.440 last night it really was brutal for you. How did 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.159 it cope? Well, how did you cope finally getting to 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:45.440 watch it play out on television? 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.480 I had a feeling I knew, I sort of knew 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.040 what had happened. However, you know, I just I'm disappointed 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:52.880 in Ben. I thought that, you know, obviously I had 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.880 his back to the vote before I tried to flip 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.120 the votes and get Michelle and caj on board to 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.240 vote out Calm with his idol. I was never going 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.960 to write down Ben's It's been my man since day one. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.520 And for me then to come to him with a 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.640 plan to vote out the person that orchestrated the blindside 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.640 on him, and for him to go and run straight 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:15.280 away and tell them to save himself was frustrating. A 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.520 good quite easily go over. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.480 Crops plan and play it safe, but right now, after 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.839 being blindsided last night, I don't want to play it 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.200 safe anymore. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:26.840 And I get it's a bit of self preservation at 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.320 the time, but I think it was just a little 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.080 bit short sided on his behalf. And you know, I 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.400 think if we had a focused on getting Bendor vote 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.839 for Jesse and then getting Michelle in as well, then 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.719 you know, it's a different game. But in saying that, 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.680 I had a hidden community idol. When you're making big 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.720 moves and survive, especially this close to Merge. I noticed 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.440 a few things of tribal I sort of brushed them off, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:47.960 and you know, at the end of the day, tell 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.320 me if I play that idol, then I lived to 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:50.039 fight another day. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.719 Well, you should know about Sunday morning quarterbacking, you know, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.560 hindsight it's a beautiful thing, right. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:59.760 Absolutely, Yeah, there's always away think back, but that's the game. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.720 You need to be so aware of everything that's happening. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.800 You need to absorb everything, and especially for me, once 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.800 I knew that I was making that move on Jesse, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.520 I was focusing on how I was talking to people 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.240 or how I was acting because I didn't want to 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.360 receive as the one that was doing something shifty. So 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.280 my focus was on myself and that went away from 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.360 focusing on everyone else and what they were doing. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.640 Where everyone today wants to know the answer to Chrissy's question, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.080 are you mad at her? 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.480 No, I'm not mad at Chrissie. I actually thought that, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.080 you know, once I saw the trailer and we chatted, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.719 I thought she knew about the throwing the challenge, But 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.800 as it turns out, she didn't really know about it 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.440 until on the mat, and she didn't think too much 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:39.840 of it because she thought it was just going to 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.040 be a straight play at Bennie. But for me, when 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.720 you're throwing a challenge this supposed to merge, Benny was 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.080 already on the bottom. He didn't have He only had 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.600 shay Over and the other tribes. So once you get 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.479 to merge, he's only got that one extra number. So 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.760 if I knew that was happening, then there'd be some 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.560 red flags, you know, some alarms lumbell running in my head, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.440 and I may have been more alert. But yeah, I'm 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.560 definitely not mad at Chrissy. And for her to not 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.240 vote with me, I think as a testament to herself 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.000 as a person and a character. She's truly loyal. She 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.239 built a really good relationship with Jesse, and we spoke 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.640 about it on the day before the votes and said, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.120 you know, you don't actually have to vote with me. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.920 If you vote this way, you maintain your relationships and 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.760 moving forward into the merge, then you've got that separation 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.720 from me in terms of your gameplay. So you know, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.520 I'm just I'm proud that she's actually starting to learn 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.080 and listen and play her own game. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.880 If anything, I think somehow it's sort of endeared her 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.680 even more to the people watching Blood versus Water has 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.360 really shaken up the game. Do you think that you 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.280 might have stayed in the competition longer had you played 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:43.200 the game by yourself. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.800 It's really hard to tell. Obviously. Survivor every day, every 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.120 moment of every day is just a new challenge and 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.600 you have to adapt. And this one thing that you 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.800 find out there is you know, you might have a 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.000 plan or you might think about what's going to happen 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.120 in a challenge, but it's usually far away from the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.080 truth as possible. So I actually enjoyed playing with Christy 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.400 even when we weren't on the same try, Like waking 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.720 up every morning going to the challenge, seeing her walking 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.440 with a smile actually gave me that little bit of 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.720 extra boost and confidence that she was doing well. So 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.600 and the only joy of it was knowing that regardless 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.440 at one stage, if we came together, I knew that 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.240 she had my back one hundred percent. So, yeah, if 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.880 Chrissy wasn't there, then you just have to find your 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.720 other people and make sure that you've got other people 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.600 that you can trust as much as you can. Yeah. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.880 Absolutely, you know, Chrissy is easily one of my personal 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.760 favorites this year. I think that she is probably the 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.520 biggest personality in the twenty twenty two competition. I wonder 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.360 if having such a big personality is a risk in 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:44.440 a show like Survivor. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:48.719 I don't think Chrisy is so fun. We've seen she's 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.160 such a good laugh. She's really like she's a mother. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.720 She's so nurturing, she gets everyone together, but she's also 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.040 there's nobs about her. She tells it how is. We've 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.720 seen a poker face. It's awful. She cannot hide emotion. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.920 I think it's not going to be the personality to gain, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.959 So it's going to be her inability to hide the 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.199 emotions and you have a straight face when it comes 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.080 to the point where she needs to vote someone off. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.679 I hope that she can just get into an actress 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.280 mode or something and realize that she needs to play 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.760 the game and that is essentially to bend the truth 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.760 or lives of people that she needs to at the time. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.760 Well, I think that she could have easily been cast 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.200 in something like Big Brother or other shows, you know, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.760 other reality shows that demonstrate where big personalities like that 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.439 really shine. Was this the first TV show or TV 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.160 opportunity that you both discussed together, Chrissy. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.720 Actually, Christy and her partner Toby were on the block 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.440 decades ago, I don't know how long ago, but they 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 got to a point where, oh yeah, there was like 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.240 eight couples and they had to compete, and four couples 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.320 got through to the final spots, and unfortunately her and 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.679 Toby missed out. So I think that was for me. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.080 Once I realized that there was a bloodburst water theme, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.200 I was confident knowing that she is a character that 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.760 it's not so much as she loves the limelight, but 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.200 she's going to be comfortable around new people and new experiences. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.520 So I knew that that would be great for her. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.760 But I also knew that she was fiercely competitive, and 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.760 I wanted her to test herself in an environment and 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.360 that was so far out of her comfort zone because 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:16.720 I knew she could do it, and I knew that 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.360 it would help in her day to day life. So 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.360 her life is so structured, so routine. Everything from the 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.080 minute she wakes up to the minute she goes to 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.000 bed is planned, and that's just not for her. It's 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.000 a whole family. So going into Survivor, you need to 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.600 realize that that is impossible. You need to adapt and 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.040 just go with the flow. And I really think that's 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.080 going to be a life changing experience for her. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.480 Do you think that like a show like Australian Survivor 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.880 could be dangerous for people with relationships? I mean, all 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.040 these people have gone into the show and the dynamics 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.840 have been different couples, brothers and sisters, twins. You know, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.640 like there's just so many different established relationships. Could going 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.040 on a show like this be dangerous? You know it 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.000 has it been a rocky road for you, you know, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.559 in the aftermath of the show for Christian. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.040 And I know you really brought us together. She knows 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.680 that I'm solid. I've always got her back. I've always 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.559 known that about her because her whole family is fiercely loyal, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.360 and I think just so we're so proud of each 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.400 other in the way that we've played, I think that's 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.000 really bonded us. It's also bonded the rest of our 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.840 family because they saw that our relationship grew and they 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.560 were really tight since. Yeah, in saying that, you know, 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.640 I think if you talk about it in the sense 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.280 you are, it's only going to be an issue if 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.480 you back stab your loved one. If Nina was the 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.040 one that said, you know what, I want to get 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:33.360 my mom out because I want to make a big 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.520 play and I want to be seen as the big threat, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.360 then that might have been a different story. I don't 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.600 think Sandra would have taken that very well. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.560 Well, do we know if everyone's okay? 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.040 I think as long as the couples have had conversations 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.120 leading in, and you know, Christy and I know we 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.400 spoke about at one point in time, if we get 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.120 to it, then we need to figure out what's going 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.040 to be best for us at the end of the game. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:54.880 You know, if it came down to one of us 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.160 having to vote each other out, then who was most 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.400 likely to go further and win the sole survivors. Also, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.280 I think every couple, if you didn't have that conversation 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.559 going in, then you're for. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.880 For trouble therapy. You need therapy. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.880 Yeah, definitely a bit of therapy after just sort of 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.719 hug it out, whatever you need to do to move 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.400 forward again. Survivor is such a roller coaster. It's you know, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.959 you go through this full gamut of emotions and having 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.520 that on your mind as well can be really difficult, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.560 but at times you just need to cut the emotion. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.880 Realize that everywhere everyone that's out there sacrifice so much 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.280 to be away from work, be away from their family. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.400 You know, there's people away from their kids. Michelle and 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.080 mel you know we saw I don't know if we 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.920 saw it on there, but their father passed away a 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.040 month before they went out there, so having to leave 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.120 behind the rest of their family to deal with that grief. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.960 There's a lot of things that you sacrifice to chase 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.840 your dream and go out there and compete. You've got 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 to realize that you're out there for a reason, and 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.520 some stays you're going to have to cut the emotion, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:53.760 no matter who you've bonded with. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.600 I'm actually surprised we haven't seen as much from the twins, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.360 and there's a lot of people talking about it online. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.440 You know, why aren't we seeing enough? But one of 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.280 the Moana, I think a couple of years back, you know, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.760 we really saw nothing of her halfway into the series. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.760 So don't you think it's a little bit less to 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.160 do with people saying it's about race, and it's probably 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.080 more to do with the overall way in which this 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.120 game is going to play out. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.160 Yeah, and I think we've heard a lot of the 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.640 players say, you know, Michelle and Mell have been sitting 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.080 back a little bit and waiting. I know that. You know, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.480 for myself been another few members of our original Red tribe. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.400 We were involving me in a lot of the discussions. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.520 She was tired with Sandra, you know, we saw that, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.440 and she has been semi influential in some of the votes, however, 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.839 not proactive, and I think that's why a lot of 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.800 the focus has been on the people that actually enact 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.440 those decisions. But in saying that, I don't know what 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.880 happens for the rest of the season now, so they 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.880 could come out firing it and start pulling triggers and 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.440 making big moves and that's where they get all their 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:49.840 out of time. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.360 Well, I think it's funny because if you follow the 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.280 commentary online, you know, Survivor fan base is just they're 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.440 so passionate. They count the pieces to camera, they counting 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.199 the confessionals. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.880 Yeah, well I heard that when we were out there. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.160 We're talking about so apparently Hailey from last year to 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.400 Queen of Australian Survivor had a spreadsheet of all of 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.640 that sort of stuff. You know, who had airtime, who voted, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.880 who were had all this information and data, and obviously, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.760 as a researcher, she could compile all of that and 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.920 understand what was happening at a different times of the game, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.360 so obviously, and it worked in her favor and she 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.720 played one of the best games I think I've ever seen. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.960 So I think it does help in some regard for me. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.760 If I was looking at all that sort of stuff, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.200 I would do my head in. I overthink too much 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.000 at the best of times. So the less I thought 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.720 about different things, the better it was for me. I 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.400 could actually focus on what I needed to do. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.360 And Karan is doing really well in the game. And 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.480 it's clear to everyone watching the show that he's a 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.520 big threat. But there's also a lot of discussion in 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.600 the show that he is a big threat. But what 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.520 has stopped people from trying to flash his idol with 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.960 an attempt to boot him from the show and you know, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:53.760 get rid of the idol? 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.680 I don't know. We skirted around it, so once we 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.760 had the tribes, we got over there. There's a lot 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.680 of conversation about it. You flippantly throwing a couple of 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.760 votes his way just for the hell of it. But 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.040 one point where we found out they were going to 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.800 vote for Bennie, I was like, why aren't we taking 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.200 this seriously? Like, if we're going to flush the idol, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:13.960 let's flush it properly, and you do it as a 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.480 blind side. Put the votes on carn he has no 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:17.960 idea about it. You make him feel like it's all 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.680 on Benny. He goes home with a nightel in his pocket, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.200 and that's the ideal situation. So unfortunately, I thought I 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.760 had Michelle and kJ on board for that vote, but 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.480 unfortunately they didn't see it the same way. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.200 Are you willowed to all talk to each other? Like, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.320 I mean, I don't necessarily know this, but you know, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.680 since production and you know, while the show's on TV, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.440 are all the castaways talking to each other during the 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:37.160 airing of the show. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.600 I think, So there's a WhatsApp group I think where 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.480 they chat, and there's obviously a lot of people in 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.600 Melvioun so I'm sure they catch up a bit. But yeah, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.520 I'm actually not too worried about that. I'm really enjoying 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.720 watching the show. So obviously one episode is two or 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.640 potentially three days of our experience out there. So it's 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.520 really nice to sit down and put some context around 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.200 the conversations that they show and try and understand what 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.040 happened in between and just give them an idea of 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.000 what sort of things we were going through on a 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.080 day to day basis. Yeah, for me, that's been really 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.480 rewarding because it was a really difficult time for my 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.160 family to be without me for however long it was. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.600 I think it has been about six weeks or something total, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:17.960 four or five weeks total. So yeah, it was tough, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.520 but it's really rewarding now to have them join me 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.840 in that experience. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.600 And all of these alliances from what you know then, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.080 you know through the WhatsApp group. But do they reflecting 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.440 or are they reflecting the alliances that happened and that 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.240 were cultivated on the show or you know, have people 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.160 been different away from the cameras or from the experience. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.080 I should probably. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.800 Say no, I don't think so. I like I said, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.840 I don't read too much of that, but I think 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.280 everyone and we heard it from Nina and Sandra, you know, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.200 their experience from the American Survivor is it is ruthless 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.920 from the minute you get out on that show. After 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.960 each other. They're trying to get people, they're trying to 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.680 talk strategy, whereas Nina and Sandra at one point was 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.760 like she thought we were joking. She thought we were 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:01.800 convince her that we were really nice, but we're all 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.119 backstating in the background. But after a few days she 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.280 realized that we genuinely enjoyed each other's company and we 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.480 were really fun. We shared some great stories. Sandra shared 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.680 a lot of her life as well, so I think 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.959