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Speaker 1: Now, as you heard on the show yesterday, the territories

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Speaker 1: It is the second announcement this week when it comes

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Speaker 1: and Asian Relations, Robin Carl.

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Speaker 2: Good morning too, morning Kadian, Good morning to everybody out

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Speaker 2: there on this amazing Darwin day.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is a lovely day and I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: of money. So it is good news with these extra

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Speaker 2: Look, it's fantastic news because you're right. The constant message

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Speaker 3: We absolutely do.

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Speaker 2: And this particular route that was announced by Jetstar, we'll

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's certainly good news. We all want

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Speaker 3: What is happening behind.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, There's been a huge amount of work done by

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Speaker 2: We had the Quantus Group overall have just announced an

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Speaker 1: And so what would that mean? Would that potentially see

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Speaker 2: So we've got a federal government election coming up, so

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Speaker 1: Now, I do want to ask. I mean, there is like,

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and the good news is that message

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Speaker 1: I do want to move along, Minister, and just ask

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Speaker 2: to now get you to participate in this skilled program.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get you in this sports program, We're

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Speaker 2: going to get you working in this local cafe.

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Speaker 3: And the other component of that is when we get

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Speaker 3: to that endpoint.

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Speaker 2: If we do have these kids who find themselves in

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Speaker 2: trouble and they are before the courts, one of the

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Speaker 2: impediments to community services programs is the ability to supervise

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Speaker 2: those kids. So we're looking at how we actually support

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Speaker 2: the courts to be able to put those court orders

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Speaker 2: in place, keep the kids out of jail, keep them

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Speaker 2: out of that detention space, but have a consequence it's absolute,

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Speaker 2: and then we can actually provide that supervision. So there's

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Speaker 2: work being done exhaustively in that space. The critical component

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Speaker 2: will be that amendment to the legislation, so it's not

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Speaker 2: just a do you want to go, it you have

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 1: That's been a huge point of contention over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years that a lot of our listeners were

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Speaker 1: quite furious with the fact that, you know, if somebody

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Speaker 1: commits a crime and they commit an offense against somebody,

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Speaker 1: but then it's a voluntary situation for them to whether

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Speaker 1: they participate in any kind of program to get them

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Speaker 1: on the right track. When are we expecting that legislation

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Speaker 1: to actually be enacted, So that's.

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Speaker 2: With our corrections Minister currently, I know the work is

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Speaker 2: being done. I don't have the exact timeframe for that,

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Speaker 2: but it is a priority. There's a lot happening in

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Speaker 2: the legislative space at the moment, and certainly as someone

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Speaker 2: who in a business sense had experienced and been a

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Speaker 2: victim of crime, I was astonished when I found out

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Speaker 2: that those things were voluntary, not mandatory, and I think

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Speaker 2: everybody in the community when they learn that are quite surprised.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's an absolutely critical thing. You have

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Speaker 2: to send a message very clearly to kids, as we

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Speaker 2: do as parents. If you do the wrong thing, there

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Speaker 2: is a consequence, and whether it's a we take your

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Speaker 2: xbox off you or you get out there and you

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Speaker 2: clean up the mess that you created, we have to

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Speaker 2: be able to enforce it and that is absolutely the focus.

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Speaker 1: Well Minister for Youth and Families, but also Minister for Trade,

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Speaker 1: Business and Asian Relations, Robin Carl always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you