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Speaker 1: We know that a new stream of police are set

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Speaker 1: across the Northern Territory. The Police Public Safety Officer Units

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Speaker 1: is going to consolidate auxilliary and safety officers with standardized

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Speaker 1: training through the Police College. The move, we'll see transit

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Speaker 1: safety and public housing officer roles scrapped with those officers

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Speaker 1: transitioning to the new police units. Now joining us in

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Speaker 1: the Acting Deputy Commissioner James O'Brien. Good morning to you, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now what kind of training are the ppsos going to do?

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Speaker 2: So at the moment, we have what's called a front

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Speaker 2: line auxiliary and most of the community will see them

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Speaker 2: as palis so our police auxiliary liquor inspectors. So they're

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Speaker 2: mainly in Catherine Tennant Creek and Al Springs. They receive

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Speaker 2: a quite comprehensive set of training because they carry a firearm,

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Speaker 2: they still do driver training, they do all of those

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Speaker 2: things that a constable would do to be able to

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Speaker 2: carry far from so they're very highly trained. Okay, and

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Speaker 2: the reason why we need that is because out in

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Speaker 2: our community. You know, it's very low risk, I know,

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Speaker 2: but if we have something like an active armed defender

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Speaker 2: or something like that, we as police, because we're wearing

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Speaker 2: a police uniform, the community look at us to be

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Speaker 2: able to deal with that. So with this new PPSO program,

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Speaker 2: what we'll be doing is the current FAISO. I'll try

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Speaker 2: not to use acronyms. The current public Housing Safety Officer

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Speaker 2: and Transit Safety officers. They've got certain powers under their acts.

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Speaker 2: Police also have those powers, and what a PPSO will

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Speaker 2: be is a member of the police force operating under

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Speaker 2: the Police Administration Act with all of those powers. So

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Speaker 2: basically they will take over those powers, but just operate

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Speaker 2: in our housing estates, on our bus routes, in our

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Speaker 2: bus interchanges. If they continue to exist, all of our malls.

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Speaker 2: To mister Bascala the other day, the Lord Mayor, and

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Speaker 2: he's absolutely wrapped and he said, thank you. I'll be

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Speaker 2: for a long time. These people will be able to

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Speaker 2: so those current employees, we will offer them to go

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Speaker 2: through the recruitment package for a PPSO.

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Speaker 1: And if they don't want to do it. My understanding

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. So eventually we've got to have

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Speaker 2: a transition period where we still need the public housing safety,

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Speaker 2: the transit safety and the ppsos because we can't recruit

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Speaker 1: So tell me, by the sounds of it, these ppsos

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Speaker 1: are going to be trained in the same way that

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Speaker 1: a similar sort of role to what I'm different get

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Speaker 1: exactly what you've said in terms of the locations, but

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Speaker 1: similar powers to what the police have.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's exactly right. So each our current auxiliaries

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Speaker 2: have what's called an instrument of appointment and that details

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Speaker 2: So for things, for instance, what we don't want our

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Speaker 2: the higher level investigation. We don't want them to deal

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Speaker 2: transit safety in a public housing safety officer, they don't

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Speaker 2: we're cutting out the main and.

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Speaker 1: It can make it really quite difficult, I would imagine

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Speaker 2: And keep our constables out on the front line dealing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did talk about what they're not going to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because they are members of the police force and

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Speaker 1: But that's a little bit like the palis as well though, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. But what we're looking at is probably

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Speaker 2: something if people want to google the saphole police security

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Speaker 2: That's sort of like the idea that we're looking at. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So used to make them really visible, all right.

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Speaker 1: In relation to that, so, how many weeks does that

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Speaker 2: Go for It's around thirty two weeks, okay, So they'll

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Speaker 2: be doing the same, not fully, not not the thirty

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Speaker 1: James, in your role as the acting Deputy Commissioner, I

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Speaker 2: So what we find in policing is that if you

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Speaker 2: So we've and we've proved this over the years. So

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Speaker 1: Do you know if they you know, if other states

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Speaker 2: We're taking it just a little bit further in that.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a look at AFP Protective Services

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Speaker 2: They're not members of the police force. They wear a

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Speaker 2: but they carry firearm as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not reinventing the wheel here, No, absolutely not. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So can I ask in terms of where they're going

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Speaker 2: So what we'll do is look at having them based

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Speaker 1: So now in terms of the number fifty six is

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Speaker 2: A number at the moment based on more than likely

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Speaker 2: We'll move into formal consultation when the comment is out there.

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Speaker 2: Katie, I suppose I run the Territory Community Safety Coordination Center,

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Speaker 2: which coordinates government and non government services to deal with

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Speaker 2: those any social behavior issues across the territory. And one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we want to do it's not punitive.

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Speaker 2: It's about getting people back to country. It's about getting

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Speaker 2: to reduce their homelessness if that's what they choose. So

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Speaker 1: of the concerns then on our streets that do escalate, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean to those listening this morning that are maybe going, oh,

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Speaker 1: is this going to make a difference? Are we actually

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Speaker 1: going to see some inroads made as a result of

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Speaker 1: these ppsos? What do you say to those people listening

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Speaker 1: this morning, I.

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Speaker 2: Would say, in my thirty one year career of policing,

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Speaker 2: and we actually have been talking about this model for

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Speaker 2: quite some time, I think this is a great opportunity

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Speaker 2: to really help the community and help those vulnerable people

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Speaker 2: that we have in our community all across the territory

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Speaker 2: because it's that particular unit under that command in the

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Speaker 2: police force that will link in with all of those

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Speaker 2: government and non government agencies to get them the services

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Speaker 2: that they need. Now, we're not going to achieve at

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, because we never will, but absolutely it

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Speaker 2: will go a great step toward it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Acting Deputy Commissioner James O'Brien, good to speak with

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Speaker 1: you this morning. Thank you very much for your time

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Speaker 1: and thank you for talking our listeners through a bit

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Speaker 1: more detail on this announcement.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Katie, it's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you,