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Speaker 1: We know that Parliament is sitting this week, so the

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Speaker 1: Police Minister, Kate Warden joined me on the show a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier this morning.

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Speaker 2: Minister, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, firstly, we are keen to speak about further issues

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Speaker 1: well with the government's plan following the recent Police Association

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Speaker 1: conference and also the survey which revealed serious issues with

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Speaker 1: morale concerns there are not enough police to do the

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Speaker 1: job and a lack of confidence in the Police Commissioner. Now, Minister,

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Speaker 1: the government are on the record saying that they have

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Speaker 1: confidence in the commissioner. Why do you still have confidence

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Speaker 1: in the commissioner despite these issues.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's an awful lot of work going on behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes Katie that other people, you know, on the

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Speaker 3: outside can't see. And I think the oppositions sit and

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Speaker 3: keep barking on about things, but they've never actually sort

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Speaker 3: of briefing around what's going on in police. But there's

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Speaker 3: lots of things. So at the moment, there's a review

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Speaker 3: into the financial structure, the actual structural review about how

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Speaker 3: police is set up, because I think that you know,

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Speaker 3: we can move people around and get people more people

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Speaker 3: out in the front line, which is what you know,

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Speaker 3: what you were going too earlier about needing more police.

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Speaker 3: I think if we pack down and that we actually

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Speaker 3: need more police out and about numbers are really good.

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Speaker 3: They're higher than they've ever been. There's some issues around

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Speaker 3: the discipline processes, and we're looking to look to change that.

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Speaker 3: Some of that will require legittiates, live change, and I've

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Speaker 3: asked for that to be hurried along. The well being

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Speaker 3: back into police and you know so, and we're also

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Speaker 3: looking at some very localized, targeted solutions around anti social behavior.

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Speaker 3: So I think those are the things that are making

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Speaker 3: things people unhappy. Anti social behavior doesn't need to necessarily

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Speaker 1: Kate, you just said then there is also you're going

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Speaker 1: to be looking closely into how the police force is

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Could we be looking at a

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Speaker 2: re structure here?

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, I don't think anything is off the table.

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Speaker 3: I think we need to look at how it has

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Speaker 3: it's actually happening already. A treasury of driving that work.

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Speaker 3: There's been a number of reviews over the last few years, Katie,

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Speaker 3: lot of the recommendations from those reviews haven't necessarily been

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Speaker 3: sure that all that work gets done along with a

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty big clanger.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it a financial restructure or are we

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Speaker 1: looking at a whole restructure of the police force and

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Speaker 3: So we're looking at both of those things together, So

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Speaker 3: the financial restructure and the structural side of it. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: whatever your structure is actually influences your financial comes. It

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Speaker 3: you know, each evening, which is I think what people's

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Speaker 3: I asolutely accept that and that is my task to

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Speaker 1: So, Minister, could we wind up in a situation here

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Speaker 3: It's not that we're considering that specifically at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Let's wait and see what these these reviews come back with, Katie.

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Speaker 1: All right, Right now, we know that we've got a

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Speaker 1: I know that we're hearing, you know, from rank and

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Speaker 1: and what is your message for those police officers?

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, I've only been in the job a short while,

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Speaker 1: Does this financial and the financial restructure or financial structure

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's a consideration. This is a

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Speaker 3: I think he uses the words deep dive. You know,

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Speaker 3: To see where it can best, you know, go forward.

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Speaker 3: There isn't you know. Since we came in in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: Since this time last year, there's an extra thirty people

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Speaker 3: getting back to those things. More police out and remote

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Speaker 1: And do you think that's what should be happening or

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Speaker 3: I think that it can still come down to the

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Speaker 3: That has been probably the biggest part of the journey

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Speaker 3: But actually, Katie, you be surprised. Every single recruit that

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, I'm mind full of time, and I know

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Speaker 1: that your press for time this morning. But the Chief

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Speaker 3: So Jeanette has been on the ground for four years

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Speaker 1: So, Minister, is it also going to be a situation

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Speaker 3: No, so I wouldn't call it a review, Katie. What

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Speaker 1: And so who's going to be conducting that coordination here

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Speaker 3: We are looking well, we hopefully have found someone, but

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you that is today, Katie, because they

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Speaker 1: I know that the Opposition leader last week revealed on

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Speaker 1: Committee to look into the police force the issues that

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Speaker 3: So this will be debated and you obviously can't preem debate, Katie.

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Speaker 3: But I've just outlined to you the enormous amount of

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Speaker 3: this won't be supported by government. I don't think today

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Speaker 3: because Katie, there is so much work going on. We

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Speaker 3: You know, I get it, Katie, And it's not good enough.

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Speaker 3: We are looking into it, Katie, and that's what my

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Speaker 1: So Minister, at the moment, there will be people listening

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Speaker 3: We get more, we actually get more people back to work, Katie.

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Speaker 3: but when they do, it's probably not a suitable place

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Speaker 3: It's not a number I'm proud of, but each and

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Speaker 2: Minister.

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Speaker 3: we made an election commitment Katie around twelve. The most

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Speaker 2: Minister, we are just about out of time.

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Speaker 3: a track through. But we have had some new graduates there.

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Speaker 3: One of the real big issues for us, Katie is

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Speaker 3: actually the quantity of calls has gone up in its thousands.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 1: I mean most would say that's because we've got to you.

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Speaker 3: So everybody now has got mobile phones. We're all well connected,

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Speaker 3: and you may get twelve calls for the one matter,

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Speaker 3: whereas before you might have got one. And when you've

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Speaker 3: got those twelve calls, you need to speak to each

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Speaker 3: and every one of them because if you need witnesses later,

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Speaker 3: you need those details. So it's not as simple as

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Speaker 3: saying I let it go through it and you know,

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Speaker 3: we've looked at that, maybe going through to a message

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Speaker 3: bank and leaving people's details, but you can't. It's not

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Speaker 3: as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: So you actually because there's been an increase in crime.

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Speaker 3: No, it's actually you'll get an increase in calls that

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Speaker 3: relate to the same matter. And people are very diligent

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Speaker 3: and I'm very grateful that people are diligent and actually

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Speaker 3: calling that in.

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Speaker 2: Minister. One last question this morning.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe there are enough police to do the

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Speaker 1: job that's being asked of.

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Speaker 3: Them if you look at our police numbers, their record numbers. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: we need to make sure that each and every one

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Speaker 3: of them feel supported enough to be at work every

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Speaker 3: day and boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister for Police. We really appreciate your time this morning,

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Speaker 1: Kate Walden, thanks very much for speaking with always great

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Speaker 1: to be with you, Katie, thank you