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Speaker 1: Well, as I mentioned, some serious concerns have been raised

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Speaker 1: two significant failures of protocol, one of which nearly cost

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Speaker 1: it's being reported in the paper nearly died when lifeguards

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Speaker 1: failed to rescue him after he suffered a cramp mid

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Speaker 1: race at the top end Sprint met on March twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Now joining us on the line to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about this is Warren Dobson from NT Swimming.

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Speaker 1: He is indeed the CEO. Good morning, Warren, how are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really well mate. Now I want to talk about our

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is an extremely concerning situation to hear

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Speaker 1: what unfolded and the fact that you know, this eighteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what happened. It's an unfortunate situation and

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Speaker 2: definitely one that you think common sense would kick in

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Speaker 2: and you wouldn't ask for permission to save somebody. But

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Speaker 2: you know, luckily, this was at a swim meet and

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Speaker 2: there were plenty of people willing to jump in and

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Speaker 2: rescue Peter, and you know, we, luckily enough, there was

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Speaker 2: a thirteen year old boy by the name of Bailey

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Speaker 2: Roscoe who was you know, lepistrading into action and dived

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Speaker 2: lot of the volunteers and technical officials helped Peter out

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Speaker 1: Lawran correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is

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Speaker 1: it like the technical officials all of you guys were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The guy wasn't there at the time.

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Speaker 2: I was at the Anti Sports Awards, unfortunately, well not unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's from what's been told to me

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Speaker 2: and other officials and volunteers that were there were sort

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Speaker 2: you know, for a thirteen year old kid to be

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Speaker 2: in and help him with a fantastic effort from him.

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Speaker 1: Good on him. What a champion Bailey was, Peter, alright.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, al right, he just suffered a cramp,

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Speaker 2: you know. So he's a great swimmer and he's actually

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Speaker 2: studying medicine, so he's a genius kid. But you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just a it can happen to anybody. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they just you know, they just My concern are the

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Speaker 1: Well, you're spot on and look I worked as a

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Speaker 1: lifeguard for several years in Queensland and at the Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs Pool as well, and it should be real common sense,

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Speaker 1: like if somebody's at the bottom of the pool, you know,

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Speaker 1: the only person who should be ringing someone is someone

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Speaker 2: Possible, and to be fair, every lifeguard that I've spoken to,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned before, but yeah, both my daughters are lifeguards

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Speaker 2: an unfortunate reaction. Reaction, but it could have disastrous consequences.

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Speaker 2: You know, as I said, my concern is not when

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Speaker 2: we've got to swim meet on, because there's hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spot on, Larren. I mean, does he need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Look, they're doing a review into the processes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spot on, one hundred percent, spot on. Now, Warren,

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Speaker 1: Talk me through how they're going.

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Speaker 2: Well it what are the superlatives? I mean, they are

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, there's a whole combination of things. We're spending

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Speaker 2: and he's just decided about next year already this year

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Speaker 1: Will Warren. I look forward to catching up with some

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Speaker 1: back to the Northern Territory. Thank you so very much

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Speaker 2: Me and stake all of the territory if you've got

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Speaker 2: a couple of seconds. We just had the Master's Champs

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Speaker 1: How awesome.

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Speaker 2: Just they're killing it all the way across the country

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Speaker 1: With's the Masters because one of the swimming events that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be Robert Magan. He won five gold

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Speaker 2: I believe he's eighty one. Just incredible, an inspiration for everybody,

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Speaker 2: get active. And I think the.

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Speaker 1: Same mate, whenever I'm at athletics or swimming and see

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Speaker 1: those senior Territorians you know out there getting amongst and

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Speaker 1: it makes you go, you've got to just youve got

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Speaker 2: Don't You got to keep at it and be active. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Warren, wonderful, wonderful news mate. Really good to speak

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks very much, Katie, thank you