WEBVTT - Following Footsteps 👣 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.200 You have made a remarkable decision to stuff your ear 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.400 holes full of me art, Simone. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.200 In return, I have a treat for you. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.799 I'm going to introduce you to someone with a bizarre job, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.880 a strange hobby, or they might just be a downright 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.560 weirdo wh who knows, But I will get to the 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.440 bottom of it. This is concealed with me arts, Simone. Okay, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:37.720 no Moore tiptoeing around. Let's get noisy roll the type glat. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.839 My name's John. I live in corn In, South Australia, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.040 fifty nine years old. This is actually sending a bit 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.960 like a dating program. Now, yes I'm single, but anyway 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.440 back to it. In my out of work hours, I 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.280 just enjoy being outdoors because I'm indoors a lot for 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.720 my job, so I do a bit of walking. I 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.080 like camping and watching a bit of motorsport. Really but 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.520 I'm concealing a part of my life which isn't really 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.560 a secret. It's been shown right across the world. You're 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.920 probably familiar with a lot of my work, even if 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:15.240 you don't know it. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.360 Oh mysterious, Oh hello John, how are you. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.119 Going very well? Thank you and you I. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.880 Love me to meet you. In your I'm going to 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.640 call this the bunker. I feel like you're in a 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.640 bunker at the moment. No daylight, Yes, I see no daylight. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.600 I hear him in my own bunker here at the studio. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.559 But all right, we've never met before. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.120 I don't know anything about you, but apparently I may 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.840 be familiar with your work, perhaps correct. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.319 Okay, all right, so you're sitting in front of me. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:44.640 You've just got to love your T shirt on. You've 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.480 got your glasses on a little bit scruffy there, hmm. Okay, okay, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.040 So tell me a bit about living in Corn, because 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:52.920 I've never heard of that. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.760 Corn is just a little town about four hours north 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.560 of Adelaide. It's situated in the Flinders Ranges. So it's 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.040 a pretty little towns rounded by mountains and it's a 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:03.040 beautiful community. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.120 And what brings you to Corn? 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.920 I know, I'm very stuck on this Corn thing, but 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.600 I think it's really interesting because imagine just saying I 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:10.320 live in Corn. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:11.040 That's fun. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.160 Yeah. Well, I guess I'm not a big fan of 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.400 big cities. And my work I can I can sent 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.880 and receive stuff over the internet, so it doesn't really 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.519 matter where I work. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.560 From Okay, so you can work remotely? All right? 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.280 Okay, so you hate if you had bad Wi Fi there, 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.160 I hope you hooked up to the NBN or something. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.480 Yes, yes, similar to that. Yeah. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.079 Okay. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.160 So you like walking, like camping, like motorsports, all things 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:38.120 we don't have in common. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.919 Okay, so I really threw me off there. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.040 What I'm going to do is ask you three questions, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.080 and from the answer to those three questions, I'm going 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.840 to try and decide or discover what it is that. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.840 You are concealing from me here today. Are you ready? John? 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.040 Okay? Far away? 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.240 Okay. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.880 If someone walked through your house, what would they assume 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:57.720 about you? 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.760 That I am a collector of weird things? Almost horder like? 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.360 Okay, No, I love things. I love things. Do you 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.200 find value in possessions? Do they hold sentimental value to you? 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.040 It depends what they are. They need to they need 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.360 to do something. I don't like things that don't do anything. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.200 Ah okay, ah, okay, don't like things, don't like people, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.840 and don't like things that don't do anything. All right, Okay, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.799 now these are all very important things. Okay, So they 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.120 assume you're a bit of a hoarder. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:34.520 Hmm. Okay. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.800 Maybe you're into antiques. Oh, that could be nice. Maybe, 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.800 but their own tanks don't do much. Maybe you're into 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.400 a specific type of antiques. Maybe you're really into music boxes. Oh, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.720 wouldn't that be fascinating? Okay, anyway, that's the first question. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.440 Second question, if you could follow something for the rest 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.720 of your life, whether it be a trend, a social 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.440 media account, or something else, what would it be. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.920 I would be following other people's footsteps. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.840 Store okay, s talker, all right, I'm putting that down. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.839 Doesn't like people, don't like things that don't do things, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:13.120 but also likes to follow people. Interesting. Interesting there, okay, okay. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.159 And number three, if you could describe your life in 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.400 five words, what would they be. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.479 I'm heard but not seen. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.679 Okay, head but not seen. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.880 Oh it's like one of those limericks, you know, black white, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.440 red all over. I'm a newspaper but you're not that. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.279 Or you could be all right under the sea. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:33.840 All right. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.200 I feel like I feel like I know this one. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.440 I feel like I know this one. And I've said 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.120 this before and got it completely wrong. Okay, you like 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.800 things that do things, you follow on people's footsteps. You 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.200 can just work from home and do your things like 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.320 you have lots of objects and you know what you need, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.880 lots of objects for foley and sound effects and things 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.760 like that. And because I find this very interesting, I 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.560 love this. So I've had a feeling that perhaps you 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.479 may be a foley artist, which is like a sound 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:07.240 effects artist. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:08.120 Is this right? 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.880 I'm a foley artist. My job is recreating sounds like 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.919 footsteps and people getting patted and all the clothes, rustles 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.960 and things like that. It's a bit of a crazy job. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.359 I've worked with some great people over the years. Steven 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.599 Spielberg probably one of my highlights doing a movie called 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.279 The Adventures of Tintin. But there's also been some amazing 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.920 Australian films, a lot of fun to do, the Great Gatsby, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.039 Happy Feet, Wolf Creek, but also one of my favorite 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.080 Izi films, and great Girls, which is The Girls that 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.560 made Kath and Kimderella. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:49.159 Yeah. I love this stuff. I love this. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.080 Oh, goold the Stars? It a line any better for 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.479 me here today? John Ah, I feel like we were 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.440 tested to meet each other. Even though I don't like 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:58.720 camping or motor sports. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:05:59.200 Are walking? 0:05:59.480 --> 0:05:59.600 Oh? 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.200 I love what you do. Oh, I love sounds. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.520 Ah, yes, I'm very impressed you've done well. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.560 Oh yeah, I got it right. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.280 John is a Foley artist, and I'm feeling fabulous. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.240 That's ill to say because I got it right and 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:30.840 you got it wrong. Isn't that good? Yes? Thank you? Okay, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.400 So we're here with John and I was correct. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.840 John is a Foley artist and for layman terms, for 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.960 all the people listening home, John makes sounds, sounds that 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.600 you see on screen on TV movies, everywhere and anywhere. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.240 If it needs a sound, you put it in. Is 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:46.920 that correct, John? 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.200 That's pretty much it. That's what I do. Yep. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.080 So can you explain if there's a difference between foley 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:53.880 and sound effects and what it is. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.640 Yeah. So, foley is anything that's performed live. So when 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.320 I'm recording on watching the actual vision on a big screen, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.560 have a microphone in my room. And if there's a lady, 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.960 you know, walking along, got the high heels on down 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.360 a concrete footstep for a concrete path, that'll be me. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.600 I have to slap on the pair of high heels 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.880 and walk like a lady down the path, which should help. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.720 I always have trouble with you'd be good at it, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:21.600 you'd be excellent. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.080 There you go, Well, if you need an intern one day, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.800 if it's the extra you're walking, count me in. Maybe 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.360 one day you'll need to do Foley on a drag 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.920 Queen film and I can go, well, you can know 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.400 to call me up. It's all about who you know, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:33.840 isn't it. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.720 I've done a few already with drag Queens in. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.960 So well I'm your Gael all right. So essentially Folly 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.480 has performed live sound effects. Would you say, is can 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.840 he pulled from a database or just an audio file 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:46.520 or something. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.280 This is where there's a bit of confusion. People think 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.760 that recording doing folly is I'm going to go to 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.160 the kitchen recorder record putting a spoon in a draw 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.360 and then they'll go and cut it and put it in, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.280 And that's not truly what it is. That you're just 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.200 recording a sound effect and editing it in, so you're 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.320 not performing it live. So there's a big difference, especially 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:11.520 with walking or placing something down, because there's the sound 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.360 of a cup going on the table so many different ways. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.600 If you watch someone slam a cup down or they 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.280 gently put it down and give a little slide and 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.560 it depends on the mood of the person that at 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:23.440 the time of the movie. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.120 So is there a bit of a pushback or are 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.280 you battling against sound effects these days? Or are you 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.520 still quite prized for what you do because you know 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.600 in this day of AI and you know, we've got 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.920 a full database. We'll just pick from there. It's cheaper. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.040 Is that something that you have to kind of battle 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:40.559 at the moment? 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.000 Not yet. There's been a few people try to do 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:50.040 automated Foley programs and they're quite clever. They can see, 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.400 you know, from the vision that a footstep lands, and 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.760 they'll find a footstep to match it. But it still 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.000 doesn't work the same. It hasn't got the feel of 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.080 someone actually performing it because there's still grabbing it from 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.880 a library and it doesn't quite work. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.600 Has working as a folly artist ruined watching things for you? 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.960 Because I imagine that not every sound that you create 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.800 is actually doing the action. For example, if someone's stabbed, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.559 I don't think you're sabbing a real human being. You 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.960 must be using something else to do that. So when 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.120 you watch things, do you just picture all the wrong 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:25.880 things that the sounds are coming from? 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.839 I actually hardly go to the movies, I gotta say, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.840 but when I do, I generally are watching and listening 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.080 to the soundtrack. Yes, it is hard to be involved 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:38.880 in the movie. It has to be a very good 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.440 film for me to forget about the sound and actually 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.280 just watch it. But yeah, you're like, you're right. You 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.200 don't bring in a work experience person to just stab 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.280 them to make the noise with it, although there's been 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:57.960 a few I've been tempted with, but the we'll just 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.160 use a bit of a celery or a a chicken 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.320 or something like that, just to you know, make a 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:04.920 bit of a crunchy, stabby sound. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:05.480 Yeah. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.719 I totally get it, because you know, I know a 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.360 little bit about here and makeup, and I can't watch 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.720 films anymore. People hate to watch them with me because 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.920 I will literally be sitting in the cinema and I'll 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.000 be next to my friend and I'll go. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.560 Wig, Wig, that's a wig. Look it's a wig. You 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.760 can see it. Look at the wig. Oh, it's a wig, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.640 And they're like, stop it. I didn't even think. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.440 I was like, there's a wig, and it's a bad 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:32.120 one too, So I totally understand it all different folly 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.240 artists would have different ways they create sounds and different 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:39.200 objects they use for certain sounds. Is there some particular 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.160 items or things or techniques that you do that are 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.040 like industry secret that you're like, I'm never telling anyone 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:46.439 how I make the sound. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:47.320 Of x y z ed. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.880 Possibly, but I can't tell you. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.040 Something goes, Oh, we'll go to John because John does 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.600 the best rattling knees. Oh, John's rattling knees are the 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.600 absolute best, So we'll go to John. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.040 I'm fifty nine years old on my knees actually do rattle. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.000 But no, Look, I've got some props, and a lot 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.959 of stuff comes down to the props that you gather, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.360 and so I've got some really favorite props which are 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.400 my go to ones for making some things. And one 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.680 of them is just a rusty old hinge, which I 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:26.079 pretty much use in every single film that comes across you. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.160 Kind of I'll always find a place for it because 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.880 it's like a bit of a mark, you know. It's 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:35.400 like the Wilhelm scream for some films, Like there's something 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.520 that's got to get hinge in here somehow. So that's 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:39.520 how it works. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.360 Do you just go out leave your house and go 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.080 and listen to things to go oh that, could you 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.200 pick up something and go oh that? 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.400 Oh that sounded good? Actually I do. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.400 It happens a lot. Absolutely. I'll be sitting at a 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.320 cafe and listening to some footsteps will suddenly just get 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.360 my attention. And the worst thing. Once I went to 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.480 a very good friend's funeral who was sitting in a 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.240 big church waiting for everything to happen. And I was 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.960 sitting there with my friend because we're all mates of 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.920 this fella and the reverberance sound inside this big old 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.319 church in Adelaide, and I've just heard this lady's footsteps 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.320 walking down And the first thing that came into my 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:19.360 mind was, Wow, those footsteps sound awesome. So I'm thinking that, John, 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.880 you're at a funeral. You can't be you can't be 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.520 linking your footsteps right now, but they did. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:25.880 I want to go up to that lady and go, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.240 what shoesy wearing? I'd like to recreate this sound on 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.040 my own face, exactly right. I'm a size thirteen, ladies, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.040 So if we could just do. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:34.840 That, please, Yes, that'd be perfect. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.280 What are kind of the most common sounds you would 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.200 have to create, you know, that's your bread and butter 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.320 in a film or TV. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.160 So obviously footsteps. Every single film has to have all 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.320 the footsteps replaced and then followed by really the cloth, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.400 so all the clothes, and that could be whether someone's 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.000 wearing a sparkly coat with you know, little jingly bits 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.280 on it and jewelry and things, and that's probably probably 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.240 the main things. Nowadays there's a lot of mobile phones, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.280 Like people have always got a mobile phone in the 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.200 hand and are always pushing the bloody thing, scriggling the 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.120 screen around the screen, So you always have to have 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:15.360 those sorts of noises in there. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.880 What is the weirdest noise you've had to perform for 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.520 one of your films or things? 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:22.720 What's the strangest thing. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:31.240 So the strangest noise would have to be in one 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.800 of the Hobbit films. Actually there's a big character and 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.400 I can't even think of his name, but it was 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:40.160 played by Barry Humphries, the late Barry Humphreys, and he 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.439 was like this. He was made up as a giant 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:48.160 sort of ogre with these huge squishy feet and he 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.199 would walk around and it was bare feet. And we 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:58.480 wanted to have kind of big, weighty, but also really squishy, rubbery, fleshy, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.680 and we try to different things and I ended up 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.240 with some fresh chickens which I got from the supermarket 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.280 and just had a fresh chicken in each hand and 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.000 was just using those as these big sloppy feet, just 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.240 plunking them on the ground and it sounded amazing, but yeah, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.480 it's and it was all used. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.400 If only those chickens knew what they would become one day, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.680 that's right. I thought I might just be not a 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.360 nice sandwich or something, and you had different plans sit 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:27.920 at your john. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.520 They had no idea those chickens. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.200 So you've worked in kids films, you worked in horror films. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.480 Do the materials used to make the sounds so you 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.360 know those different genres differ much or do you just 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.240 still kind of pull from the same pool of things. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.920 There's the basic footsteppy things. But if you've got a 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:55.480 bit of a horror film or something creepy, you go 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.600 to we we call it like a Hollywood level film, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.840 and there's Australian level films. All the Hollywood level ones 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.880 are big, upfront, loud, in your face, you know, like huge, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:11.240 big footsteps, big creaky boots and everything's just huge. And 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.840 then we'll have some of the more subtle, kind of 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.040 straight of films that we make the sounds as realistic 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.720 as possible, so they sound like exactly how they should 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.440 on the day. The Hollywood stuff's way more fun to 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.000 do because everything's just loud and big and noisy, and 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:29.840 I love that stuff. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.520 Yeah, So do they actually just differ stylistically. That's actually 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.200 quite a known difference between the two. Is Hollywood just 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.160 love bing bang bom bom bom boom, Yeah, And austrains 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.400 are like, no, I'm subtle. Are you talking about? Let's 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:44.200 trottle down under it? 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:45.080 And it is. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.280 It is nice sometimes to do the subtle things. One 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.200 of a film I did a long time ago called 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.400 Little Women, and that we managed to go to a 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.080 props in the ABC because I did that and when 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.320 I was in Sydney and we got all the beautiful 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.400 dresses and all this jewelry and all these different things 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.960 for all the ladies dresses and just the different materials 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.680 and stuff, and actually sounded really nice. We had a 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.480 good time with that, and we all looked a bit 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.040 weird dressed up in the dresses. But there's something you 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.600 would have loved. I'm sure it was good fun. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.160 Tell you put me on speed all babe, I'll come down. 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.000 I'll be a little woman. I'm a big woman currently, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.480 but you know I'll try. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.640 I'll try anyway. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:34.400 So footsteps from giant chicken filets on the ground, high 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.760 heels in a church. You've worked on happy feet, which 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.200 must have the most footsteps that ever did exist? 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:41.600 Ever? 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.080 Tell me more about happy feet. How did you manage 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.360 to record a million digital penguins dancing on the ice? 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:54.200 That was very difficult, So the actual normal penguins walking, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.720 I wasn't too bad. So I actually set up a 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.000 bit of a bench, concrete bench, and I was able 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.360 to sit at with TV right in front of me, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.960 and we had I was here. There's no snow I 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.200 could just keep in the studio, So I used wet sand. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.600 It was just a coarse build of sand and we 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.119 just kept that wet and that just it just sounded 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.240 like snow. And we would change it around and mix 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.560 it up with different amounts of water depending on what 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.200 sort of snow it looked like. And we can add 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.800 squeaks to snow using corn flour. You know when you 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.520 squish a handful of corn flour has a little bit 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.960 of itp so more of a dry pottery snow, we 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.240 can add that if we want. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.880 To see you're a scientist as well. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.399 You have to be a scientist. You have to be 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:35.760 one of. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:36.600 Everything, my goodness. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.919 And then I just use my little fingers just on 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.720 the end and that's just that's just the little flippers 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:46.400 going around. But ah, the actual penguins also have little 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.320 nails on them. So then I've got these little cotton 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.440 gloves where you know the I use them for dogs 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.760 and cats as well as claws. But you know the 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.800 little hair grabby things that kind of you put on 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.080 your hair and they kind of bunch up your hair together, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.879 and it was like hair clamp thing. They made a 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.720 plastic So I just buyse and I cut all the 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.199 prongs off them and then sticky tape those to the 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.919 end of the cotton gloves because and it sounds like 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.000 little dog nails and. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.600 All you need to do is just get some super 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.160 glue and glue them to your fingers like I do. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.600 Don't be a worse job I do. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.760 But you know, hey, I hate the ruin and nail 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.399 and these ones are just they just come off easy 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.240 when I don't. The next thing, you see. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.920 I thought you were committed to your industry jumps, so 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.640 your sticky tape little plastic things to the gloves. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.080 Yep, that's right. There's a lot of editing involved with 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.439 that sort of stuff, because you've got one pass, like 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.480 one recorded pass of footsteps with your fingers, and then 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.520 on top of that you do it again with the nails, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.560 so then you have to go and cut those it's 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.080 to the right point, and sometimes the nail lands before 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.720 the actual little flip apart, and sometimes I flip apart 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.560 and the nail and then of course they slide on 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.000 ice and skid along and do all that sort of thing. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.399 But by far the hardest part was there all the 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:12.960 tap dancing. We got the original recordings from the motion 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.320 capture stage of the guy that did all the tap sequences. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.920 And I'm trying to remember his name, but he is 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.040 a very famous tap dancer, and everything he did was 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.080 tapped on a white American oak slab. He couldn't obviously, 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.040 tap dance on snow, it just doesn't happen. So we 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.200 got all those and then what we did was record 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:39.560 I know, maybe two thousand different samples of tapping my 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:46.000 fingers and nails on various slushy snowy rocks, all the 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.080 surfaces that you would have seen, and happy feet. And 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.480 then we used a program called Drummergogu, which is a 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.639 drum replacement program, and we loaded all those samples in there. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.680 It would look at the incoming sound from the tap 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.680 sound and go, okay, that sounds like this. We'll use 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.240 this kind of ice one and it'll put it there, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.600 and the rhythm sounded right. Because when a tap dancer 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.359 creates a rhythm, it's like someone singing a song. It 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.199