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Speaker 1: He's won the Miles Franklin Award record four times and

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Speaker 1: has been named a Living Treasure by the National Trust.

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Speaker 1: His new book, Juice, is out today. Good morning, Tim

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Speaker 1: Winton made welcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh morning guys.

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Speaker 1: So Tim, I've never heard a book described as cli

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Speaker 1: fi before.

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Speaker 2: It sounds vaguely pornographic.

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Speaker 3: Vaguely climate fiction. It's climate fiction.

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Speaker 1: Well, I reset my brain. Okay, climate fiction.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, it's not. It's just as an adventure story.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what montection means, but.

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Speaker 3: Clifi.

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Speaker 4: Go figure, So what what is the Where is the

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Speaker 4: idea for Juice come from?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I guess I've I've been looking at you know,

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Speaker 2: the way that the planet's going in the way that

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Speaker 2: we're kind of just avoiding acting on it. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's the changes happening to it, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: so I just, you know, I kind of imagine the

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Speaker 2: world a little bit into the future and the kind

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Speaker 2: of the world that we'd have to deal with, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I just placed these people in a kind of

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Speaker 2: extreme environment and saw what they would do is cruel experiment, Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: collecting water and trying to stay out of the harsh

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Speaker 2: heat during the day, even in winter, that kind of thing. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: I think I think what we forget is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the northern half of Australia is already right on the

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Speaker 2: edge of extremities, you know, I mean, and you know

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Speaker 2: we've just got through a winter where we had forty

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Speaker 2: degrees you know, temps in the forties in the winter time.

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Speaker 2: If you add add a few more degrees to that,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's that's a bit of a bit of trouble.

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Speaker 2: And look, you know, when you're when you're writing novels,

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Speaker 2: you're essentially putting people in extreme positions and what they do.

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Speaker 2: If there's no trouble, there's no story.

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Speaker 3: No struggle here. Did I read somewhere that.

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Speaker 1: You said, correct me if I'm wrong that this is

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Speaker 1: a story anguished over a novel you were scared to write,

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Speaker 1: but felt an obligation to attempt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think it's the biggest issue of our day,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's a it's a tough thing to

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Speaker 2: address it. It's hard to get right, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to bring readers along with you. It's certainly scaring

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Speaker 2: the pants off our politicians. They're doing everything in their

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Speaker 2: a you know, it's a big, heavy subject and I've

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Speaker 2: tried to tackle it in a way that's appealing to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ridges the gap.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's in a story, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but fundamentally it's a it's a survival tale adventure

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Speaker 2: about a guy just trying to make his way in

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Speaker 2: a in a tough world. And he's you know, the

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Speaker 2: book starts with him traveling across a landscape with a

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Speaker 2: he's just responsible for her, and he's just trying to

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Speaker 2: keep himself and her alive in a pretty hostile environment.

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Speaker 2: When when the world's sort of going to pieces, and

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Speaker 2: you know, when when, as we're seeing on the news

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Speaker 2: every night, you know, when when a society comes to pieces,

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Speaker 2: everything is harder. You know, people resort to savagery. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's not when a climate falls to bits, society falls

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Speaker 2: to bits. I think we forget, you know, Yeah, when

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Speaker 2: it's what we're seeing on the news, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it's tough. I mean, look, I think we still think

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Speaker 2: I'll own, and so you add a few more degrees

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Speaker 2: to that, and yeah, it's all sets up. Tim.

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Speaker 3: When I saw that one minute video, I think it

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Speaker 3: was that you did talk about the premise, and it

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Speaker 3: made me think of how we can't control when we're

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Speaker 3: It let me down that sort of path, And there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if you if you find out that

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Speaker 4: You know, there's one thing I've always believed is that

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Speaker 4: prevention is better than the cure, you know, So, I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's no use just waiting until the end, as you say,

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Speaker 1: Him Now, we've for the last couple of weeks Him,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the growing film and TV industry

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Speaker 1: that's going on in Wa. We're getting we're getting the

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Speaker 1: down south, up north, just in York. And you, of

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Speaker 1: course have had several of your works transformed into translated,

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Speaker 1: what's what's going on right now in Wa?

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Speaker 2: I think it's terrific. Yeah, when you you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: almost embarrassing too. And say the numbers, friends, it was

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Speaker 2: almost forty years ago, I was almost unheard of. The

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Speaker 2: more common and intensifying. I think it's a really great thing.

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Speaker 2: And this is a great place to make films. It's

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Speaker 2: a it's a great place full of talent and potential,

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Speaker 3: You know, it is a.

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Speaker 1: Great place to make films. And I always cite and

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Speaker 1: to you're going to dash my thoughts on a little,

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Speaker 1: but I always cite the guy that made Cloud Street

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Speaker 1: because you can't recreate the light that w A has.

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Speaker 2: No I think that's I think that's fair. And things

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Speaker 2: look pretty great here day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, I mean one of the reasons it's

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Speaker 2: when you can't you know, when it's costing millions of

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Speaker 2: I was really pleased at Cloud Street got shot along

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Speaker 3: You know it does and a lot more reliable, like

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Speaker 3: you said, than shooting in Melbourne, where you'll get the

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Speaker 1: Possibly desired too for you know, to go with the plant.

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Speaker 2: Well, well we're should have given the now States starts

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Speaker 2: in the tropics, it ends up on the on the

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Speaker 3: Tim, Whether we talk to songwriters a lot about where

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Speaker 3: the magic comes from, where the songs come from? What

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Speaker 3: about your ideas and therefore the creative stuff for you?

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Speaker 3: Is it the times you just lock yourself away and

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Speaker 3: something will happen or you have to have that bit

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I just go to the desk, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just like a training I just show up,

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Speaker 2: show up to the bench, and hopefully the job turns up,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I know if I don't sit down

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Speaker 2: and wait for something to show up, it might turn

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Speaker 2: up when I'm not there and when I've missed out.

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Speaker 3: I love that man nic philosophy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And if you've got a special desk, is it like

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Speaker 3: an old timer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think I've got an old public service

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Speaker 2: desk com in nineteen sixties. Yeah, we've got for twenty bucks.

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Speaker 2: I think I was a student.

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Speaker 3: They're the best bargains.

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Speaker 1: Keep doing that, Tim, because jobs keep showing up and

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Speaker 1: we love it. So Juice is out now, all five

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Speaker 1: hundred pages. It's a big one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a brick, isn't it. You can always you

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Speaker 2: can always use it for a doorstop.

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Speaker 1: Jim, thanks for chatting to us this morning.

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Speaker 2: It was good to catch up on your guys.