WEBVTT - Could NSW ban greyhound racing… again?

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<v Speaker 1>Just a quick heads up.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode contains some details of animal cruelty that some

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<v Speaker 2>of you might find hard to listen to. If you

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Already, and this is the Daily. This is the Daily,

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<v Speaker 3>This is the Daily.

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<v Speaker 1>Ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm Harry.

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<v Speaker 3>The New South Wales greyhound racing industry is being investigated

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<v Speaker 3>after a former employee of the racing body detailed allegations

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<v Speaker 3>of cover ups and abuse.

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<v Speaker 4>You asked me if we're going to shut down the

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<v Speaker 4>greyhound racing industry, you deserve a direct answer, and we're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to shut it down.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's clear that they cannot be reformed. The

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<v Speaker 5>message is that we're not buying the bullshit anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's deep dive, we'll look at what the report

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<v Speaker 3>says about the way greyhounds are treated in the sport

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<v Speaker 3>and what the New South Wales government plans to do next.

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<v Speaker 3>But first, Sarah, what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>An investigation is underway after the bodies of a woman

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<v Speaker 2>and a girl believed to be a mother and daughter

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<v Speaker 2>were found in Sydney's northwest. Officers visited a home in

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<v Speaker 2>the suburb of mass Field after a welfare concern was

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<v Speaker 2>reported to police. New South Wales Police said a woman

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<v Speaker 2>in her fifties and a teenager were found dead inside

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<v Speaker 2>the house. The bodies are yet to be formally identified,

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<v Speaker 2>but a crime scene has been established.

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<v Speaker 3>The Northern Territories Police Minister has ruled out extending a

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<v Speaker 3>snap curfew called in Alice Springs earlier this week. It

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<v Speaker 3>followed a recent spike in violence in the region. The

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<v Speaker 3>three day curfew, which applied to both children and adults,

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<v Speaker 3>came to an end on Thursday. Northern Territory authorities deemed

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<v Speaker 3>an extension unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Two in five working Australian women have experienced declining mental

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<v Speaker 2>health over the past year. That's according to a new

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<v Speaker 2>report from women's mental health advocacy group the Liptember Foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>The findings follower survey of four and a half thousand Australians, depression,

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety and body image issues were listed as the leading

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<v Speaker 2>mental health issues facing working women.

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<v Speaker 3>And the good news basketball star Jannis ante to Campo

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<v Speaker 3>will become Greece's first ever black Olympic flag bearer ate

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<v Speaker 3>to Campo, whose parents emigrated from Nigeria to Greece before

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<v Speaker 3>he was born, booked Greece's place in the Paris Games

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<v Speaker 3>after a victory against Croatia in this month's qualifiers. He

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<v Speaker 3>became a Greek citizen in twenty thirteen, before he was

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<v Speaker 3>drafted into the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks, the team he led

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<v Speaker 3>to a championship in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry, I must confess that you have been around the

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<v Speaker 2>office talking about this story this week, and that this

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<v Speaker 2>is something I don't know a lot about. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>today about the greyhound industry. It's in the headlines, especially

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<v Speaker 2>this week, but it's kind of been around for a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Can you just give us a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an overview of the state of play when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to greyhound racing here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was actually quite surprised to learn that Australia

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<v Speaker 3>is just one of seven countries that has greyhound racing.

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<v Speaker 3>Not every country in the world has greyhounds. In some

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<v Speaker 3>countries it is banned, and in some particular states it's banned.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think of the US, for instance, some states

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<v Speaker 3>have greyhound racing. Some of them have outlawed it, and

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia we have it in every state and territory

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<v Speaker 3>except the ACT. So greyhound racing is an industry that

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<v Speaker 3>you could definitely say is fairly familiar with some controversies,

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<v Speaker 3>and in particular, there have always been some concerns about

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<v Speaker 3>animal welfare, about its association with the gambling industry, and

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<v Speaker 3>some questions over whether racing bodies are being adequately regulated,

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<v Speaker 3>that it's being overseen by an independent body and that

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<v Speaker 3>it's following the rules.

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<v Speaker 2>This might be a really stupid question, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed to say that. I'm here because we read.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no silly questions, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talk about greyhound racing, we're talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>what happens with horses in horse racing, but just with greyhounds, right, dogs? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're talking about dog races.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about dog race Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the first time I saw it in

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<v Speaker 2>the news was I believe it was a four corners

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<v Speaker 2>investigation that was done by the ABC. What was that

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<v Speaker 2>investigation about? Was that kind of the first point at

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<v Speaker 2>which all eyes were on the greyhound racing industry.

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<v Speaker 3>It was definitely the biggest scandal around greyhound racing, especially

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<v Speaker 3>in the last decade or so or the last twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>There's always been some murmurings about what has been happening

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<v Speaker 3>in the industry, but I think that was one of

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<v Speaker 3>these big moments where a lot of people's stomachs were

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<v Speaker 3>churned by what they saw on TV. So this particular

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<v Speaker 3>investigation by the ABC exposed what is known as live

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<v Speaker 3>baiting in the industry, which is what So this is

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<v Speaker 3>where and I do apologize because this is some pretty

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<v Speaker 3>gruesome detail to go through, but it's basically where a

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<v Speaker 3>live animal is used as bait for a greyhound to

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<v Speaker 3>chase on the race track.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would that be a thing? Why would they be

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<v Speaker 2>doing that in the first instance, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes back to dogs and they're just pure animalistic instinct,

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<v Speaker 3>which is to chase down prey. And these prey in

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<v Speaker 3>this particular circumstance is completely defenseless. It's just hanging off

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<v Speaker 3>a rod that's being word around the track, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they're encouraged to race after it and they will mould

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<v Speaker 3>that animal once they get to it. So that is

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<v Speaker 3>against the rules. It's not allowed. This particular expos in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen discovered that it was actually being used and

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<v Speaker 3>it was actually quite widespread as well. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>one outlandish track, it was multiple tracks right up and

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<v Speaker 3>down the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And so that was exposed. You said back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, what happened? Were there any changes to the

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<v Speaker 2>industry if we're saying it was fairly widespread, did anything change?

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<v Speaker 3>So there were definitely some major consequences. Few officials and

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<v Speaker 3>trainers were dismissed and banned from ever competing in greyhound

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<v Speaker 3>racing again or being involved in the industry, i should say.

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<v Speaker 3>And there were a number of state reviews into the

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<v Speaker 3>industry altogether. And this is where we come to New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales because at the time it was led by

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<v Speaker 3>a coalition government under former Premier Mike Baird, who actually

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<v Speaker 3>passed ben on greyhound racing, remember that twenty sixteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a pretty big move at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the first state to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>So was that in response to what had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>There had been a special Commission of inquiry. So this

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<v Speaker 3>big investigation, this big statewide review after the expos a

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<v Speaker 3>and then the state decided to ban the industry altogether.

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<v Speaker 3>The report he has produced is chilling, confronting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>A ban was legislated here in New South Wales. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's eight years later and we're talking about greyhound's in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales again.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happened during that time?

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<v Speaker 3>The ban actually never came into place, so it had

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<v Speaker 3>been legislated to start the following year, but within three

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<v Speaker 3>months of that legislation passing, the government decided to overturn it.

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<v Speaker 3>So today I can announce that the greyhound industry will

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<v Speaker 3>be given that one last year.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll be given an opportunity to reform as it needs to.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. One of the areas of reform involved bringing in

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<v Speaker 3>a new regulator, the Greyhound Welfare and Integrity Institute, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was put in place to monitor animal welfare and

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure the industry as a whole was complying

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<v Speaker 3>with the new rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there was this new body that was set

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<v Speaker 2>up to regulate the industry and to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the rules were being followed here in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what has happened?

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<v Speaker 3>As far as we knew, there was compliance, there was

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<v Speaker 3>more reporting. There was an annual report that would come

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<v Speaker 3>out every year and then we come to June this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was a vet. His name was doctor Alex Britton.

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<v Speaker 3>He worked as the top veterinarian at Greyhound Racing New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales and he left his post in June and

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<v Speaker 3>when he quit he put together a handover document. Normally

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<v Speaker 3>I would think a guide to what would the next

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<v Speaker 3>person doing the role have to do? Can they log

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<v Speaker 3>into the server and those kinds of things, But instead

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<v Speaker 3>he wrote a fifty four page long analysis of what

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<v Speaker 3>he thought were some areas of concern within the greyhound

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<v Speaker 3>racing industry. So he included in this documents, emails, photos, spreadsheets,

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<v Speaker 3>you name it. He had it basically backing up some

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<v Speaker 3>of his concerns about animal welfare, about this alleged cover

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<v Speaker 3>up that had been going on within the industry itself,

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<v Speaker 3>and Doc Britton he was scathing and there's a quote

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<v Speaker 3>I pulled out from it that I think sums up

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<v Speaker 3>his views. He said, the Greyhound Racing Body has been

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<v Speaker 3>quote misrepresenting and obfuscating the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So some fairly severe language there. What exactly are

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<v Speaker 2>his accusations?

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<v Speaker 3>So he covered off many parts of the industry, But

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's helpful to split his report into two

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<v Speaker 3>key areas, so the first being dog injuries. Britain said

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<v Speaker 3>current practices are putting dogs at higher risk of injury. So,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, he pointed to the fact that some greyhound

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<v Speaker 3>racing tracks are using hard clay. In places like the UK,

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty much all wet sand that the dogs are

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<v Speaker 3>racing on and that's better for their pores and avoids

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<v Speaker 3>serious injuries. He also said the way that the new

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales Racing Body pays greyhound owners is also adding

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<v Speaker 3>to the increased risk of dog injuries because as it

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<v Speaker 3>stands at the moment, trainers given sixty dollars for every

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<v Speaker 3>greyhound they bring to race day.

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<v Speaker 2>So is the logic then that people are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>enter more greyhounds into races because they'll be paid.

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<v Speaker 3>More, exactly, So that's what Britain's saying. There's an incentive

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<v Speaker 3>they're being goaded into bringing as many dogs as possible

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<v Speaker 3>and that has led to an increased risk of injury.

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<v Speaker 3>So that could be that there's just more of a

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<v Speaker 3>chance with dog being hurt when they're racing, or trainers

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<v Speaker 3>might be racing animals that just aren't fit to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>This man's role was as a vet for greyhound racing

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales, so presumably he had a role in

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<v Speaker 2>protecting these animals to some degree. What are the rules

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<v Speaker 2>around the health of greyhounds? What was his role meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be So.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to Britain's role specifically as a vet,

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<v Speaker 3>he noted that vets are there on race day under

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<v Speaker 3>the new rules and they need to inspect the well

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<v Speaker 3>being of the racing dogs. But he said that in

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<v Speaker 3>some cases vets are only given forty five minutes to

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<v Speaker 3>inspect as many as one hundred to one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty dogs at a time, so he calculated that to

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<v Speaker 3>be about thirty seconds per dog, and he said it

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<v Speaker 3>makes it pretty much impossible for them to fully undergo

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<v Speaker 3>a health assessment of each greyhound before they race. And

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<v Speaker 3>also in New South Wales, greyhounds are allowed to race

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<v Speaker 3>every second day and Britain points out that in Queensland

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<v Speaker 3>and Western Australia the rules required dogs only race no

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<v Speaker 3>more than twice a week to recover between those races.

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<v Speaker 2>What else did he say about the conditions of these dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>He included some photos of kennels in Western Sydney which

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<v Speaker 3>are used to hold some of the dogs before the races,

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<v Speaker 3>and these images showed blood smeared on the floor of

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<v Speaker 3>some small kennels with what he said were rotten and

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<v Speaker 3>rusted cages, so not exactly ideal conditions for the dogs,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said that it was also causing some problems

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<v Speaker 3>with their pores. They'd be scraping up against some of

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<v Speaker 3>these cages, and it just wasn't a very suitable environment

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<v Speaker 3>for a dog that's about to go out onto a

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<v Speaker 3>racing track.

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<v Speaker 2>And so part of this handover document, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know if we can call it that, but part of

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<v Speaker 2>this document is about the conditions and the welfare of

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<v Speaker 2>the animals. But from what I understand, there was another

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<v Speaker 2>part about the industry at large.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, So the second big part of his report

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<v Speaker 3>looked at what's known as rehoming rates. So that's either

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<v Speaker 3>when you adopt out a dog to go live with

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<v Speaker 3>a family or to go live in a residential property,

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<v Speaker 3>or if the dog stays on an owner's property itself,

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<v Speaker 3>so basically where the dog goes to live for the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of its life. Before a greyhound can be adopted, though,

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<v Speaker 3>it needs to be des sext and this is something

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<v Speaker 3>that Greyhound Racing New South Wales actually pays owners to

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<v Speaker 3>do as an incentive so they cover that cost. And

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<v Speaker 3>so what Alex Britton noted was he believed that the

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<v Speaker 3>numbers of rehomed dogs as reported by Greyhound Racing New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales were grossly exaggerated. So for instance, he pointed

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<v Speaker 3>to the figures in twenty twenty three, so the body

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<v Speaker 3>had said that two two hundred dogs had been rehomed,

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<v Speaker 3>but then he pointed out a gap because the regulator

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<v Speaker 3>had said that one six hundred and fifty dogs had

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<v Speaker 3>been rehomed in that year, so that's about a five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty dog gap. And he alleges that this

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<v Speaker 3>gap comes from the racing body counting to sex dogs

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<v Speaker 3>as re home dogs. But that's not necessarily the case,

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<v Speaker 3>because he says in reality owners will either keep the

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<v Speaker 3>dogs or pay to send them to these boarding shelters

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<v Speaker 3>where they live out. What he says is a miserable

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<v Speaker 3>post racing lives in these industrial sized kennels. So think

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<v Speaker 3>of those massive cages with not much room to move

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<v Speaker 3>on big properties, and that's where all these greyhounds apparently

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<v Speaker 3>are being sent to to live out the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously this is just one individual who has alleged

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<v Speaker 2>a number of wrongdoings on behalf of this industry. How

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<v Speaker 2>has the racing body responded to all of this?

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<v Speaker 3>The CEO of Greyhound Racing New South Wales, Rob McCauley,

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<v Speaker 3>resigned on Tuesday after the media started reporting on the accusations.

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<v Speaker 3>In his resignation statement, he defended the industry as a

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<v Speaker 3>key source of income and jobs and prosperity for communities

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<v Speaker 3>right across New South Wales and in a statement that

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<v Speaker 3>was sent to the Daily Os, Greyhound Racing New South

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<v Speaker 3>Wales said it takes quote any claims or concern related

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<v Speaker 3>to animal welfare or the integrity of our rehoming programs

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<v Speaker 3>very seriously and all seven members of the racing board

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<v Speaker 3>have been given until today Friday to show cause to

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<v Speaker 3>the Minister for Racing as to why they also shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>lose their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Very strong kind of follow on effects.

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<v Speaker 3>There as far as an organization being held responsible and accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>This immediately absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and so what happens to the industry, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly there have been quite immediate consequences for Greyhound Racing

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales. But what happens to the industry at large?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it'll be banned?

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<v Speaker 3>So the Premier Chris Mins was asked his very question

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<v Speaker 3>the other day about whether the industry at large would

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<v Speaker 3>be banned, which is what former Premier Mike Bed tried

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<v Speaker 3>to do back in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, we're not going to shut down the industry, but

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<v Speaker 4>we do take this report seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>The regulator also said it's going to launch an investigation,

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<v Speaker 3>but the Greens and the Animal Justice Party say an

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<v Speaker 3>inquiry won't be enough. I spoke with Upper House Greens

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<v Speaker 3>MP Abigail Boyd who said she thinks these revelations could

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<v Speaker 3>be a repeat of what that Four Corners episode back

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty fifteen triggered.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm hoping that people really begin to understand that this

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<v Speaker 5>is a cruel, cruel industry that seeing thousands of dogs

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<v Speaker 5>die and be injured and be left for dead in

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<v Speaker 5>every single year.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't feel like a party specific issue. We have

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<v Speaker 2>had a labor government here respond But previously, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Bed, who was a coalition premier, tried to ban

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<v Speaker 2>the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>What have we heard from the coalition in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>A spokesperson for the Shadow Racing Minister Kevin Anderson told

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<v Speaker 3>The Daily Odds that he is monitoring the situation closely.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't go into any further details, so there's plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of developments to still come to light. It's a bit

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<v Speaker 3>uncertain at the moment what's going to happen with the board.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to find out a bit more today, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's the deadline that was given to the board

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<v Speaker 3>to show cause why they shouldn't be let go and

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<v Speaker 3>what is going to happen more broadly with greyhound racing

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<v Speaker 3>in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry, thanks so much for explaining that, and thank you

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