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Speaker 1: It is Marian Scrimjaw, the Member for Lingiari. Good morning

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you not bad?

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Speaker 1: How are you? I understand you've just been bailed up

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, Look it's okay. You know, we live in

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Speaker 1: What were they on about this morning, Marion.

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Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot of you know, wars that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm going to you know, I'm on my

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Speaker 2: Tenant those Bush communities exposed. Marian.

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Speaker 1: Look, I agree with you. I think that we do

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Speaker 1: You spot on with that. But the worry that a

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Speaker 1: lot of Territorians have got right now is the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Government and indeed, you know, through the federal government,

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Speaker 1: through that funding, have had a year to try and

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Speaker 1: It seems as though the government has done anything but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it needs to. You know, one of the things, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And we've made it clear to the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: other issues. But we've certainly provided substantial resourcing in the

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Speaker 2: the community is saying. And you know the fourteen million

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Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister you know advanced payment to the

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Speaker 2: Northern Charity government to get the policing that was needed

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Speaker 2: down here, but also in the top and there's been

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Speaker 2: substantial money given to the you know, to the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory government from the federal government to deal with this issue.

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Speaker 2: And you know when the legislation went through when the

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Speaker 2: Northern Charity government lifted the criminal responsibility of those kids

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Speaker 2: between ten and twelve, there should have been more work

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Speaker 1: And Marian has that raising of them and that's why

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Speaker 1: we're not the problem. Has that raising of the criminal age?

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Speaker 1: Has that created problems across the Northern Territory because we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think and it's not just the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory government's responsibility, you know. You know that you can

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Speaker 2: those ten to twelve year old that you know, police

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Speaker 2: can't charge, but there are avenues under the Use Justice Act.

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Speaker 2: Now I've you know, we've had a look at this.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a person working in my

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Speaker 2: the child protection system. We're looking at how do we

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Speaker 2: how do we navigate the maze that's there and clear

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Speaker 2: some of those, you know, the layers of bureaucracy that's

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Speaker 2: we're we're quickly working through that. We'll give that to

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Government, but we'll also provide that to you,

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Speaker 2: Katie and anyone else. Hopefully we can get that body

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Speaker 2: of work happening a SAP.

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Speaker 1: We'd appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We can't continue to have the problems that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: and Darwin. Yeah, we can't. Just because Darwen's the major

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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on, Well, Marion Scrimjaw, we are going to

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Speaker 1: have to leave it there. I always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: If I don't talk to you before Christmas, Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for your time throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: No, and saying to you Katie and your family you

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Speaker 2: enjoy and stay safe you too.

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Speaker 1: Thank you