WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - He's just not that into you

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Drug Wallamata Land. Hi guys, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to another episode of Life on Cat. I'm Laura, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Brittany and Briny.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess what what?

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<v Speaker 2>I went down a rabbit hole, A rabbit hole that

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<v Speaker 2>satisfied me in ways I never thought it would. And

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<v Speaker 2>now I know something I never thought I would know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really encourage everyone to go on Google.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best part about rabbit holes, isn't it. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where you're gonna end up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you like when you're on a doom scroll

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<v Speaker 2>and then you all of a sudden come across something

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, wow, my brain never knew that, Now

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<v Speaker 2>it does.

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<v Speaker 3>What was said? Rabbit hole? Okay? Have you ever googled?

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<v Speaker 3>What ever that's it feel like? Wants to know? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever googled what a pigeon's nest looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a pigeon?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, every second Saturday I google that, Laura, Why would

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<v Speaker 1>I have googled what a pigeon's nest is.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, everybody in a car wherever you are listening, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe're on a bus, maybe're on a taxi, who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you're walking hot go walk, Just stop and just

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<v Speaker 2>google pigeon nest because pigeons are particularly poor at building nests,

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<v Speaker 2>and the level of effort that they put into taking

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<v Speaker 2>care of their home and raising their little egg child

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<v Speaker 2>is truly hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were gonna tell me something other than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought pigeon nest was like a euphinism for something

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<v Speaker 1>naughty or sexy, or I thought you were gonna like

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<v Speaker 1>think you were goggling an innocent pigeoness.

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<v Speaker 3>But then pow, it's something else. But no, it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>just a nest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real nest. Can I just show you? I

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<v Speaker 2>need to show you some examples of what a pigeon

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<v Speaker 2>nest looks like. They'll just lay an egg anywhere. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>go and get one single fucking stick and lay it

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<v Speaker 2>next to their egg, and they'll be like a job done.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I do know that, you know what, Look at

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<v Speaker 3>this shit. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are feeling like you're having if you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>felt bad at your job, if you've ever questioned or

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<v Speaker 2>had like imposter syndrome. I thought, maybe I'm not equipped

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<v Speaker 2>for this Google pigeon nest.

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<v Speaker 3>And it will make you. Look at that one. The

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<v Speaker 3>pigeon put a stick in an egg on a bed.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually know this, and you know why. Look at

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<v Speaker 3>this pigeon. It laid an egg under a car. It's

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. I can't see it. Can you see the

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<v Speaker 3>egg under a wheel? I mean, that's dangerous. My grandma

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<v Speaker 3>rest in peace.

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<v Speaker 1>She's no longer with us. My grandma spent her whole

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<v Speaker 1>life racing pigeons. She's a pigeon racer. So I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up with pigeons in a pigeon cage. I would be

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<v Speaker 1>the pigeon lady. I'd walk into her pigeon and cage

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd have to close it, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not exaggerating. There were fifty pigeons in living together

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<v Speaker 1>in this huge, huge pigeon cage.

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an avery and you'd walk in and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be that pigeon lady. I feel like I was, you

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<v Speaker 1>knowing pet Detective Jim Carrey in that scene where he

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<v Speaker 1>walks into his.

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<v Speaker 2>They're called homing pigeons. I used to have a homing

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<v Speaker 2>pigeon when I was a kid. This is all getting

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<v Speaker 2>weird now wait, hang on, god, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm racing pigeons and she would literally I guess they're

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<v Speaker 1>homing pigeons on royds though, like you would send them

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<v Speaker 1>out and they'd have to go and do a job,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'd have to come back, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a race and.

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<v Speaker 3>It was hectic. I thought it was the coolest thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But they all laid eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, so I didn't know if that was an

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<v Speaker 1>actual nest or if that was just an a racing

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<v Speaker 1>pigeon avery nest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because the pigeons are so fast to get the

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<v Speaker 2>job done away, just go and do it. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so enjoyable to sometimes get down like a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in the Internet and you're like, oh, here we are here,

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<v Speaker 2>we are looking at pictures of pigeon eggs, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was really satisfying.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just wondering how many listeners we just lost that

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<v Speaker 3>A New Too Life hung k home.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if anything, if anything, people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be like wow, I didn't know that, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, that'll be the thing that you'll bring

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<v Speaker 3>to the party on Saturday night. Now I don't think No,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it will be. But I may or

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<v Speaker 3>may not.

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<v Speaker 1>Google it tonight when I'm on the lounge and I'm relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>I might go down the rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna put photos on our social media. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you can't be bothered, just go and have.

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<v Speaker 3>A look there.

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<v Speaker 1>What actually brought you to the point where you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know what pigeons nests?

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<v Speaker 3>Looked?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Things have been tough in laugh lately. But no, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened. I read somewe that pigeons

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<v Speaker 2>were particularly bad at making nests. I read that and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I wonder how bad? And then

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<v Speaker 2>I found myself googling it and fuck it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a really enjoyable little ride there. Okay, can I say

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<v Speaker 2>one more thing? Woke up with a saw back this morning? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, nothing happened. Just went to sleep last night,

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<v Speaker 2>just went to bed, fell asleep, woke up with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Saw Back's age. It's fucked, is what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 3>proper age.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is actually why I think I love

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<v Speaker 1>long distance so much, because I don't have to share

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<v Speaker 1>my bed with anyone, and I don't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>the extracurricular activity all the time. If I have been

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<v Speaker 1>hectically on a sex binge, it really ruined.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's a workout. It ruins my body.

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<v Speaker 1>My neck's out, my back's out, Like my body is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely ruined, and I think it's an age there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to confirm that that's not the problem

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I've not been on one of those binges,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I just went to bed at eleven pm

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<v Speaker 2>last night, slept for like a solid six and a

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<v Speaker 2>half hours, and then woke up this morning and my

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<v Speaker 2>back is so sore that I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't rotate it to drive the car properly. When is

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<v Speaker 3>it that you hit.

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<v Speaker 2>The age where nothing actually happens. You just went to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. That's all that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I reckon thirty five. I think that's when it

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<v Speaker 1>starts happening. Thirty five is young.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's when I noticed. I only noticed in the

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<v Speaker 3>last year because I'm thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm glad that I've caught you guys all up

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<v Speaker 2>on the big things that have been happening in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, something I did want to talk about was

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<v Speaker 1>a new dating quote unquote scam that is apparently sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>the nation, the world. Apparently it's a dating scam phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 1>as a girl would recall it.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is accurate, but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>girl on TikTok that has said she has discovered a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new world of.

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<v Speaker 3>Scamming that we didn't even know existed. Have a listen.

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<v Speaker 2>So woman is ass on a date and she gets

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<v Speaker 2>stood up, but that's pretty common, but the plant twist

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<v Speaker 2>is insane.

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<v Speaker 6>Met this guy on a dating app and he immediately

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<v Speaker 6>asked me out on a date to a specific restaurant

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<v Speaker 6>he confirmed day of. I get to the restaurant and

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<v Speaker 6>see that he's nowhere to be found, so.

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<v Speaker 7>I reach out.

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<v Speaker 3>No response.

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<v Speaker 6>I checked the app and noticed that he unmatched me.

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<v Speaker 7>At that point, I was a little confused, and I

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<v Speaker 7>was kind of pissed because I was already dressed and

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<v Speaker 7>I got all the way there, and because I had

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<v Speaker 7>put in so much effort, I thought I might as

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<v Speaker 7>well just have a meal while I am in the building,

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<v Speaker 7>and it wasn't until I got home when I was

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<v Speaker 7>scrolling Facebook and I saw a very similar story from

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<v Speaker 7>a girl at that same restaurant who also got stood up.

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<v Speaker 5>She found out that there are restaurants now posing as

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<v Speaker 5>people on dating apps just so you go to their

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<v Speaker 5>business and once you get stood up, they know that

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<v Speaker 5>probably nine times out of day, and that you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to buy something from them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the background music for me, the violin, No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the violin, and then also an ambulance going past at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time. It couldn't have sounded more dramatic. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not think that this is happening. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>like for me, this kind of screams of someone who

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<v Speaker 2>was set up in a restaurant, like as in, they

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<v Speaker 2>got there, the guy didn't show up, they got stood up,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're trying to reach for reasons as to

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<v Speaker 2>why they were stood up because they don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the actual could hard factor that they were

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<v Speaker 2>just stood up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that could be an option. It's like making sense

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<v Speaker 3>of your trauma. But this could be a thing if

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<v Speaker 3>it's tough times. It is pretty clever I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's right, but I don't know. I think you need

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<v Speaker 3>to have more than two people say that this has

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<v Speaker 3>happened to say that it's a phenomenon that all restaurants

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<v Speaker 3>are doing on dating apps, because I tried to do

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<v Speaker 3>some googling and there's nothing that really seems legitimate. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of people that are like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a new thing. It's a thing. There's bots.

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<v Speaker 1>The restaurants are partnering with bots, and they're making people

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<v Speaker 1>come to the restaurant and then they're canceling.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you eat there. I don't think that this is

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<v Speaker 3>sweeping the world right now, but it could make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>People have done weirder things.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when we talked about gorilla marketing on Tuesday's episode,

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<v Speaker 2>this would be taking it to a whole new level,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it. I mean, partly, I feel like there could

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<v Speaker 2>be a restaurant who could do this and maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>would result in them getting meals and people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are spending their money in their venue. But overarchingly, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like this is a lot of effort that a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant would have.

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<v Speaker 3>To go to in order to get more sales.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there are probably be more wholesome tactics

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<v Speaker 2>that they could go about rather than trying to engage bots,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than having your restaurant associated with something that's so negative.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, don't think that it's a very good tactic

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<v Speaker 2>from a brand alignment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it depends, right, depends how quickly you're getting because

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<v Speaker 1>I think of like my dating years, depends how quickly

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting to the point of wanting to meet up.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are people that I ended up getting to

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<v Speaker 1>that point where you don't want to talk any more

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<v Speaker 1>on the dating app because you're so sick of it,

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't want to waste a week of your

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<v Speaker 1>time talking to someone that when you might meet up

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<v Speaker 1>with them, you realize there's nothing there. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>for sure people that would talk for like fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>literally a few texts, vibe and be like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>let's like cut the small talk, let's meet up you

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<v Speaker 1>freeze to night. Like there are people, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>if this fresh dreing is having to dedicate like two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks at a time for one person to get them

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<v Speaker 1>in for one schnitty, like we need to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>background work'sim the amount you paid your staff to get

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<v Speaker 1>on the app and do it. But if you were

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<v Speaker 1>just hiring, I don't know what it costs fifty bucks

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<v Speaker 1>to hire a bunch of bots.

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<v Speaker 3>What does a bot cost? I don't even think.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't hire a bots, you don't pay them per hour.

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<v Speaker 2>A bots is like an app or something if you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to use bots. For example, people use bots

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<v Speaker 2>to get more followers. That's a very common one where

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people used to use. So basically

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<v Speaker 2>you would subscribe to a website, you type in your

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<v Speaker 2>details and everything, and you could buy X amount of followers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's what loads of old influencers would do. But those

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<v Speaker 2>followers are fake accounts. They're created by individuals usually and

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<v Speaker 2>this is quite shitty. It's usually people who are in

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<v Speaker 2>poorer countries where there's not as many work opportunities, and

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<v Speaker 2>they have one person, two people, hundreds of people whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, who have multiple accounts, and that's their job

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<v Speaker 2>to just go on there, set them up and to

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<v Speaker 2>have these conversations. Whereas like and now, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>with like the advancements of AI and everything, that it

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<v Speaker 2>would be easier. Also, I would say that the communication

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<v Speaker 2>would be more streamlined because of the way in which

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<v Speaker 2>you can use AI.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually probably not that far fetched.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, remember not long ago, we're talking about Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>Madison and they use bots on their dating site exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's actually, you know, that just popped into my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's probably not that far fetched that there are

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<v Speaker 1>places that are doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you don't know what Ashley Madison was, Ashley

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<v Speaker 2>Madison was the affairs website, and so they had some

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<v Speaker 2>of the most insane subscribers. All of these people like

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<v Speaker 2>men and women who had subscribed to Ashley Madison, which

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, quote unquote people who wanting to have affairs.

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<v Speaker 2>But it turned out there's a great I think it's Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a great doco on it where and we unpacked

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<v Speaker 2>it on episode ages ago, but where so many of

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<v Speaker 2>the profiles that were actually on this website weren't real people,

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<v Speaker 2>but the account, like the actual dating account, say, like

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of like a Tinder or a Bumble.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to appear like they had so many users,

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<v Speaker 2>so so many of those users were fake accounts. Yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it possible, yes, is it probable?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's probably two things. But also, did

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<v Speaker 2>this girl just get stood up?

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<v Speaker 3>Highly likely, very very likely.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been completely stood up on a day

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<v Speaker 2>like had a total no show?

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<v Speaker 1>I have not ever had a total no show, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've had.

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<v Speaker 3>No I actually haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never people with mixed up times where I've sat there.

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<v Speaker 3>For a long time. Did you give them another chance?

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<v Speaker 3>I just waited for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think I would be doing I wouldn't now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's in the early days.

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<v Speaker 3>It's when you, I feel like, when you have no

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<v Speaker 3>boundaries or self respect. It was in those days you

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<v Speaker 3>let people walk all over and you're like, that's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay. Nowhries, I'll wait by the hours. Yeah, you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can reschedule, it's fine, even though I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in my hair's done. I've never had a no show.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously it's going back so long. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>had a complete no show. But I've had people canceled

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<v Speaker 2>so last minute that they might as well have been

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<v Speaker 2>a no show. Like I've had people I'm dressed up,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fucking like in the car about to go, and

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<v Speaker 2>then received a message off, sorry I can't make it tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I've received that version, which I think is almost as

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<v Speaker 2>bad as a no show, that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost worse, because certainly not worse. Well, people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know how much time it takes to get ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a date, the maker, the hair, the picking, the outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls put a fake ten or they do their brows

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a whole event.

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<v Speaker 3>So then to be walking out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember putting my lipstick on once, grabbing my bag

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<v Speaker 1>out the door, and then I got the message and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>You're fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't cancel like five minutes before you're supposed to meet.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I definitely don't think it's worse because if you've

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<v Speaker 2>had a no show at a restaurant, then you've already

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<v Speaker 2>done all those steps, plus you got to the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>plus you sat down.

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<v Speaker 1>So if at least you utilized your face like someone saw.

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<v Speaker 3>It, somewhat saw it, someone saw your fit.

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<v Speaker 2>But what would you do in that instance? Would you

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<v Speaker 2>then write to them and say, like that's really uncool?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you try and plan another one? Is that like

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<v Speaker 2>one and done? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>How would you respond in that instance?

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<v Speaker 1>I would always give them a benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of let them explain, because there could be

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<v Speaker 1>a very good reason, right, I'm not going to write

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<v Speaker 1>an abusive message.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be like, hey, like I'm here and you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>What's happening. See what their response?

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<v Speaker 1>And if I don't think it's valid, No, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>fucking way I'm giving them another chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they were like I am so absolutely sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I was running and my phone fell down a drain

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<v Speaker 1>and then I tripped over a kitten and had to

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<v Speaker 1>take to the vet or whatever, then yeah, sure I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give that person a second chance. But like people

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<v Speaker 1>that are canceling five minutes before or just not showing up,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of excuses that cover that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Because love that you just said you're going to give

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who says you tripped over a kitten and

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<v Speaker 2>had to take to a vet another chance?

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<v Speaker 3>That is about It says a lot about a character.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's looking after those animals, that's what I want.

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<v Speaker 3>How's that one treats an animals says a lot about them?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I feel like maybe you're giving people a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>This actually, to me is a real revelation on your

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<v Speaker 2>dating history.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's not even touch on yours. Let's get into

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<v Speaker 3>some vibes, alright.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a vibe this week which I promise after

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<v Speaker 2>this week I will stop bringing colts.

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<v Speaker 3>I will stop. I will stop with the colts. All

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<v Speaker 3>both of us do is hectic, true crime colt stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, now that like work is kind of We're

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<v Speaker 2>getting to the end of the year and work is

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<v Speaker 2>like scaling down a little bit. I am catching up

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<v Speaker 2>on all the Netflix and like PayTV shit that I've

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<v Speaker 2>not been able to watch all year. And my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>thing to watch is crazy cult documentaries.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why. I just find it so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it so fascinating that someone can be sucked

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<v Speaker 2>into a world from coercive control or through manipulation, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can subscribe so deeply and fundamentally to a cult.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just find it fascinating from a psychological perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is It's on Netflix. It came out a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of months ago, but I think it's only just

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<v Speaker 2>getting traction now. It's called Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a couple of episodes. I think there's four episodes

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<v Speaker 2>in total. I watch them over two nights. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>the antidote to eat, pray, love, keep sweet, pray, and obey. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is all about like the rise of Warren Jeffs.

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<v Speaker 2>So Warren Jeff's was the profit of a fundamentalist Church

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus Christ and Later day Saints, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>a Mormon fundamentalist group in the States. The reason why

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<v Speaker 2>that they broke away from the main religion of being

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<v Speaker 2>Mormons is because they believe in polygamy, and lygamy was

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<v Speaker 2>outlawed within the Mormon community. It's also against the law

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. But this is a sect of

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<v Speaker 2>being Mormon who still very much believe in polygamy. They also,

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<v Speaker 2>because of their polygamous views, which are illegal, they live

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<v Speaker 2>in a very closed community to hide that from the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the world. And they I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 2>word that they used, but they have a word to

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<v Speaker 2>describe anyone who is not from their community. And the

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<v Speaker 2>way in which they raise their children so like people

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<v Speaker 2>like us, they raise them to almost think that they

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<v Speaker 2>are alien, that they are going to hell. They are

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<v Speaker 2>so sinful. You know, if you come across one, don't

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<v Speaker 2>speak to them, don't interact with them. So they keep

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<v Speaker 2>their community incredibly closed now this guy who is now

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<v Speaker 2>serving a whole lot of time in jail, like life

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<v Speaker 2>sentences in jail. It goes into the treatment of the

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<v Speaker 2>children and of the women within this Mormon cult. And

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<v Speaker 2>I call it a cult even though it still exists now,

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<v Speaker 2>I call it a cult because of well you just

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<v Speaker 2>watch it. I don't want to give it all away,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's really, really fucking fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>I have questions, like, roughly how many people, because when

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<v Speaker 4>you have a community like that where that cannot go

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<v Speaker 4>into the outside world, you get incest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that's not touched on in the documentary, But

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<v Speaker 2>I went down another rabbit hole when there was pigeon ness,

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<v Speaker 2>and also when you.

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<v Speaker 3>Ran out of the pigeons.

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<v Speaker 2>After I left the pigeon ness, I started googling this community,

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<v Speaker 2>this religious community. They have high incidences of chromosomal abnormalities. However,

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<v Speaker 2>that is not discussed in the doco, and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>telltale signs of that, Like you're not thinking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really weird. You kind of just think that

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many women who have been brought up in

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<v Speaker 2>this community that are so oppressed, and they've used religion

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<v Speaker 2>as a way of creating such deep rooted fear in

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<v Speaker 2>them that if they don't obey that, if they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote keep sweet, that they're gonna die in internal hell.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing that was so inspiring and incredible about

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<v Speaker 2>this is that the whole doco is based around the

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<v Speaker 2>women who broke free of this community and who brought

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<v Speaker 2>him to justice.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's one woman. Her name is Alyssa Wall. She's

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<v Speaker 3>the main person who the docco is built around, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've tried to contact her. I'm desperate to get her

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<v Speaker 3>onto the podcast because her story is incredibly fascinating. She's

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<v Speaker 3>not someone who uses social media much by the looks

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<v Speaker 3>of things, so fingers crossed for me. But she is

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<v Speaker 3>just so incredibly resilient and her story is something that

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like, if you watch it, you think, how

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<v Speaker 3>does anyone survive through that and still be the positive,

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<v Speaker 3>resilient type of person that she is. So go watch

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<v Speaker 3>it on Netflix. It's only four episodes. You can watch

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<v Speaker 3>it over two nights. It's a really well paced doco.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I think they're a bit too slow moving, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is like, it's interesting from the get go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go something a little bit lighter My

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<v Speaker 3>vibe for the week is a towel.

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<v Speaker 1>Now bear with me. It's not just any towel. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a dog towel. Now keep bearing with me. Every time

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<v Speaker 1>I have posted this towel, hundreds of people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>where is that from? I need one for my dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. It is coming into summer. This sounds like an ad.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming too summer, and there's nothing more annoying for dogger.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll know for when you've been at the beach or

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<v Speaker 1>you've given your dog a bath and they're still but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to blow dry them.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this towel by the brand Dogs.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the brand is called Dog by doctor Lisa, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the vet, right, she's a vet on TV and she's

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<v Speaker 1>got a dog brand anyway. But it's like a poncho,

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<v Speaker 1>so it goes you buy the size feet dog, and

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<v Speaker 1>it goes around their body and around their neck, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's got little clip up buttons, but it's still a

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<v Speaker 1>towel material and it still lets them move around and run,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not soaking wet everywhere, and it slowly dries

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<v Speaker 1>up the water. So it's good in summer when they're

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<v Speaker 1>wet it's good in winter when they're cold and wet,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's still a towel and they can sleep in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Delilah will sleeping hers for a while after she's had

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<v Speaker 1>a big day of the beach, and it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>good because all the wet shit doesn't go all around

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<v Speaker 1>the house either.

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<v Speaker 2>This reminds me of an identical towel that you use

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<v Speaker 2>on children, the ponto toils, where it's got the little

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<v Speaker 2>hood and little arms that.

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<v Speaker 3>Stick out the sides.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish they made more ponto towels for adults. I

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<v Speaker 4>know they do, but they're really expensive. They're also really ugly.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't land right now. It looks ridiculous. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of divers have them.

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<v Speaker 8>I would totally walk back from the beach in a pontree.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of surf. You would, Kisha.

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<v Speaker 2>You also set me a photo of yourself and your

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<v Speaker 2>speedros and your goggles the other day, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like that girl, she knows what's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Budgugglers. It looks great anyway, That is it. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>super versatile. It's great. You're gonna love it. Okay, well

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<v Speaker 3>I can I speak to in it?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Both I'm bringing up both of these because I spoke

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<v Speaker 4>about both of them in the Facebook group. If you

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<v Speaker 4>aren't a part of the discussion group, it is called

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<v Speaker 4>lifehun Cut Discussion Group. Great recommendations go on there. So

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<v Speaker 4>one I know I'm becoming the girl who talks about

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<v Speaker 4>boobs a little bit too much, but I'm a natural

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<v Speaker 4>ten f And once I was questioned why I say that,

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<v Speaker 4>and I say that because when you have big boobs,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have boobs that are implants or perhaps fat

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<v Speaker 4>transfer or whatever, they can be big, but they don't

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<v Speaker 4>require as much support as what a natural boob does.

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason he say, oh, you're not boob shaming,

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<v Speaker 3>You're not like I'm a natural.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's absolutely no hate whatsoever to anything that anyone

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<v Speaker 4>has ever done to their own boobs.

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<v Speaker 3>More gravity is involved when it's all natural.

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<v Speaker 8>Honestly, sometimes I swear to God, mine could be.

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<v Speaker 3>In the next suburb.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like you wake up and they're just like still

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<v Speaker 2>on the bed, but you're laying on your back. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that was me during pregnancy. Wanted was just still.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like on the mattress and I was on

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<v Speaker 2>my back, and I was like, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it had melted off my body.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you gotta like scoop them up from your armpits.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is one sports bra that I have worn.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it must be four or five years now. I

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<v Speaker 4>am utterly obsessed with it. It's the Lorna Jane one.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called the one sports Bruh. It's maximum supports sports

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<v Speaker 4>bru So this sports bruh. The reason that I think

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<v Speaker 4>it is so incredible is that my entire life I

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<v Speaker 4>used to have to wear two to do high impact things.

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<v Speaker 4>Since I discovered this sports bruy, it is the only

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<v Speaker 4>thing I wear for like running, touch footy, jumping, like

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<v Speaker 4>high aerobic stuff, and I only have to wear one.

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<v Speaker 4>It's got to zip up the middle, and it's got

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<v Speaker 4>these like it's got normal straps that you can adjust,

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<v Speaker 4>but at the back it's got a clip that you

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<v Speaker 4>can clip it together. And when I first went into

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<v Speaker 4>the store to try this on, it was so many

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, but the woman at the store said to me,

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<v Speaker 4>she was like, take in an extra small because you

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<v Speaker 4>have a small back. And I literally laughed at her.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, babe, I haven't made an extra small

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<v Speaker 4>in a top. Literally when I was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 4>like this is a joke. Anyway, she was completely right.

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<v Speaker 4>I needed it to be a small enough size that

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<v Speaker 4>it really compressed me in. So if you are looking

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<v Speaker 4>for a new sports bra, get whatever size fits your back,

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<v Speaker 4>not the actual cup, because there's enough material that really

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<v Speaker 4>holds you in.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just obsessed with it. I have like four of them.

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<v Speaker 4>If they are going to discontinue this product, I need

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<v Speaker 4>like six months notice so I can stop, because it

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<v Speaker 4>is the only.

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<v Speaker 3>One that I ever want to use.

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<v Speaker 4>The other recommendation I have and I understand that this

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<v Speaker 4>is a little bit biased, but again, it was brought

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<v Speaker 4>up in the Facebook group by someone else. It was

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<v Speaker 4>an episode of Two Doting Dads, which is your husband

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<v Speaker 4>Matt's podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I also edit this podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>It is with Ashwicks, who you might know on Instagram

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<v Speaker 4>or TikTok as Jam Pikelets.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a bonus episode that the boys did two

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<v Speaker 8>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>It was released on November thirteen, and it was all

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<v Speaker 4>about Ash's journey with mental health. It is called Depression

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<v Speaker 4>and Anxiety, Breaking the Stigma, and I think that we

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<v Speaker 4>have so many conversations about mental health in the public

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<v Speaker 4>space now, but what I specifically loved about this is Firstly,

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<v Speaker 4>Ash is so real and he's very matter of fact

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<v Speaker 4>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>His journey with depression.

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<v Speaker 4>He became aware of it once they had had their

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<v Speaker 4>first child, And in this episode he talks a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about postpartum depression for both women and for men after

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<v Speaker 4>entering a baby into the family unit. He speaks a

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<v Speaker 4>lot about what the first steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Are for going and getting help.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that that's particularly interesting because I know

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<v Speaker 4>for a lot of men, statistically we have and this

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<v Speaker 4>I mean a bit of a trigger warning, we have

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<v Speaker 4>seven men in Australia and two women a day take

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<v Speaker 4>their lives. And I think a large part of the

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<v Speaker 4>conversation is that these people don't feel comfortable having those

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<v Speaker 4>initial chats to go and seek help. They don't really

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<v Speaker 4>know what the process is of do I go to

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<v Speaker 4>a GP, how do I find a psychologist?

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<v Speaker 6>Like?

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<v Speaker 8>How do I do anything that is hopefully going to

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<v Speaker 8>help us?

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I think the big thing as well is like,

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<v Speaker 2>as women, and we've been conditioned to talk about our

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<v Speaker 2>feelings way more like we are. You know, we're so

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<v Speaker 2>much more inclined to talk to our friends if we

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<v Speaker 2>are sad or unhappy or something is not good in

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<v Speaker 2>our life, whereas like as a guy, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>men don't have the capacity, capability or emotional EQ. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's changing, but like you know, that's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a blanket statement. But to have those conversations. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing and just something you said, Keysh is like

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of postpartum depression.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very different.

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<v Speaker 2>Like women who have postpartum depression, it can often be

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<v Speaker 2>hormone related rather than it being a reaction to what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in your world.

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<v Speaker 3>But one thing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ash touched on is I loved the episode as well

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<v Speaker 2>when I was there when they were recording it because

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<v Speaker 2>they're in my house. But Ash talked about how the

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<v Speaker 2>focus is one hundred percent on the birth mother's health

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<v Speaker 2>and mental health at that time, as it should be,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also then adds to the guilt that you

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<v Speaker 2>feel if your mental health is not matching up as

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<v Speaker 2>a dad. And it's just looking at it from a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective, which I think is so important because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't disregard one person's lived experience, the male lived

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<v Speaker 2>experience within becoming a parent, because all that does is

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<v Speaker 2>minimize it and once again make them feel like they're

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<v Speaker 2>not supposed to have these big feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I also think what.

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<v Speaker 4>You just touched on with the whole like, women have

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more vocabulary around this. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>we openly talk about our feelings more. I think for

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of men, they don't know what depression is,

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<v Speaker 4>like they don't recognize the feelings. And Ash spoke about

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<v Speaker 4>how he was genuinely like, I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 4>fuck this is, but I have no joy in my life,

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<v Speaker 4>like the lights have.

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<v Speaker 8>Gone off, and he didn't even know what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>So the reason I would love to recommend this episode

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<v Speaker 4>is because I think not only is it really great

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<v Speaker 4>for anyone who is thinking that they might have a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of a mental health issue and they want to

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<v Speaker 4>know those first steps to take, but I also think

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<v Speaker 4>this is really powerful for someone who might have a dad,

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<v Speaker 4>a brother, a partner, a friend who is really struggling

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<v Speaker 4>with their mental health and you might find the tools

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<v Speaker 4>to have the conversation with them. Really highly recommend it,

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<v Speaker 4>and the people in a Facebook group did too, So

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<v Speaker 4>as for all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of our recommendations, we will link them in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get into the questions. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Question number one. My friend and I are moving out

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<v Speaker 2>together into a rental and I've asked my boyfriend who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to move in with us. However, he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he is happy living at home with his family. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not working full time like me and my friend are,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he wants to keep the arrangement as it

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<v Speaker 2>currently is. My question is this, when should you make

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<v Speaker 2>your partner pay rent or put money towards things within

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<v Speaker 2>your home? Because I know he is bound to come

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<v Speaker 2>and stay multiple nights a week. I know once I

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<v Speaker 2>move out and I'm living with my girlfriend, I won't

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<v Speaker 2>be staying at his parents' house anymore. He will always

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<v Speaker 2>be staying.

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<v Speaker 3>At my house.

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<v Speaker 2>How do I set these boundaries? Do I need to

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<v Speaker 2>set them earlier? Or is it something that you can

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<v Speaker 2>come to an agreement on.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what, though, I think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>even more important, not just for you to set those boundaries,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually really important for your housemate. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that there's this expectation that if you're single and

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<v Speaker 2>you're living with someone, then you have to have an

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<v Speaker 2>allowance for their partner if they get into a relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>for their partner to come and see at your house, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to be cool with it. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't go and stay at their house and he

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<v Speaker 2>is always playing the away game at your house, that

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would be as the house may I

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<v Speaker 2>would be annoyed because to me, I'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's three people living here.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially because she's agreed to move in with you, one

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<v Speaker 1>person a friend not a friend, and her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>So one hundred percent you have to consider the house

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<v Speaker 3>made in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is a really tricky one in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on how much they're staying. And I'm sort

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<v Speaker 1>of smirking in my you could see me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm smirking because I've been through this situation so many

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<v Speaker 1>times and it can get awkward. But I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you've been together long enough and you're spending every night together,

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<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be awkward. I don't think you have to

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<v Speaker 1>set this boundary before you move in. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that'll go well. I don't think it'll go well. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're hey, just heads up in advance. If

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<v Speaker 1>you think you're coming to my house to stay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to pay rent. You had the choice of

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<v Speaker 1>move and nan you chose no. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>goes like that. See what it's like, See what the

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<v Speaker 1>percentage is like. If is he there one or two

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<v Speaker 1>nights a week, then you're not going to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>give me two days.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe he can be doing other things. Maybe he's

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<v Speaker 3>bringing dinner over, maybe he's ordering the Uber eats, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have been in this situation when I started

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<v Speaker 1>dating Jordan. For anyone that's knew that was my partner

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I said the one whose name we never

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<v Speaker 2>say but for the reason that the rules just changed,

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<v Speaker 2>my insides are like me too. There's nothing bad it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't not say he's not Voltemore, but we just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, it's just like an X, you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't say the name.

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<v Speaker 3>But who should not be named?

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<v Speaker 1>My ex he's great, can't fault him. But when we met,

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<v Speaker 1>we were that really hard and fast love. So we

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<v Speaker 1>met and then we basically didn't spend time apart for

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<v Speaker 1>like two to three months before he was traveling so

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and he didn't really have a home in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia because he doesn't live here. So he'd stayed his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>so he stayed in my house, but he probably two nights.

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>He didn't stay there in months, and I was obsessed.

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>We were obseest, so it was fine, but then he

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<v Speaker 1>was living. He was a flatmate for a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>a year. So at the end and I didn't expect this,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the end, he gave me a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>cash and he was like, look, this is my rent.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I realized I didn't think about it at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have been in your house when you're not there,

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>when you're there, like, so here's some money to compensate.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't take it, but I appreciated it that

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>he offered. I appreciated that he realized that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a second person and I was paying for everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm paying the bills, I'm paying the rent, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think you have too much high expectation

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of this guy. If he's saying he wants to stay

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<v Speaker 2>at home because he doesn't want to pay the money

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>because he's not you know, he's not making enough money,

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, he wants to stay living at home.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't to me sound like the type of person

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to voluntarily offer to pay more money. Like

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that to me goes, okay, you're going to be in

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>a situation here. I think it's good that you're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But I agree with you, Britt, because this

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<v Speaker 2>could be if you bring it up with him. Now,

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>if you're like, well, fine, you didn't want to move

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>in with me, So if you stay at my house

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<v Speaker 2>four nights a week or five nights a week or whatever,

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>that's going to look like you have to pay a

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of the nights that you stay.

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<v Speaker 3>It almost looks a bit tip for tat it's like transactional.

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Well no, yeah, not even that.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like, well, you didn't want to move in

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<v Speaker 2>with me, and I wanted to live with you, So

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to punish you because you're living with me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're still coming and spending that time at

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<v Speaker 2>my house. The big problem here is that you don't

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 2>want to go necessarily and stay at his parents' house.

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.239
<v Speaker 2>But I think the question is is will he be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can still come stay here, You can come stay

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<v Speaker 2>here two nights a week, and I'll come and stay

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<v Speaker 2>at your house x amount of nights a week if

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<v Speaker 2>the load is even if he's saying, there's no reason

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>why you can't come stay at my house, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't want to go anymore, and so therefore

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<v Speaker 2>he has to come to your house. And I understand

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>why you don't want to go. Who the fuck wants

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>to go and hang out at their boy laws when

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you have your own house, So I totally understand. But

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>if the option is there and it's you were the

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>one who's saying you don't want to go, then I

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>think that you can't expect him to pay. Whereas like

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.239
<v Speaker 2>if he's saying, oh, I don't want you to come

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>and stay at my parents' house, I will come and

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>stay at your house because it's just a bit of

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>vibe for everyone, then I think that that's where you know,

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you might expect him to pay some money. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think you know, when you said, Britt, maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>can pay for Uber eats, Maybe he can pay and contribute.

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>If he's going to do those things, he has to

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<v Speaker 2>contribute to your housemate as well. When it's like, if

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna buy Uber eats, that's not paying for your dinners,

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 2>that's paying for your housemate's dinner because you're sharing your

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 2>personal space, but unfortunately so is she, and she's sharing

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>her house that's supposed to be for two people. She

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is now the lesser in that equation, and that can

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<v Speaker 2>be so annoying. Like if you are two people living

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>in a house, one person has a boyfriend, the other

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 2>person doesn't. Instantly you are the minority. Instantly you're the

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>one who's like paying more for him to use the water,

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>use the electricity, use the internet, all that stuff.

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not even that it's the sharing physically of the space.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like when a because I've also been in that

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>situation when a couple is in your house and person

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and they're cuddling on the lounge watching TV and they're like, hey,

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>of course you can come watch with us. You don't

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>want to, You're like, why do I want to sit

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of the couch where you've probably jizzed

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>all over and while you guys are up the other

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>end smooching and talking and giggling. It just doesn't or

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's fine, right, but like that other flatmate, the

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>single person and is the one that really suffers.

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Totally, and it's the one who feels triangulated. And the

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>reason why I say this The reason why I say

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<v Speaker 2>it's so important to be aware that if he is contributing,

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<v Speaker 2>that that contribution doesn't just come off your half. That

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 2>contribution comes off your housemates half as well, so that

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the three of you are making a contribution together is

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<v Speaker 2>because I used to live with a couple and I'm like, like,

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>they were great.

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 3>We're in our twenties. I love living with them.

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>They were great people, but they would always do things

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<v Speaker 2>as though they were a couple in terms of their

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>financial contribution. But they would contribute as though they were

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>one person and I was one person. And I'm like, no, guys,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys contributing and being like, oh, I bought the

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>milk this week, so you buy the milk. It's like no, no, no,

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you buy the milk. Then he buys the milk. Then

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I buy the milk, because like, I'm not paying for

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.959
<v Speaker 2>the two of you to consume twice the amount of

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>meat in every single aspect. So I think once you've

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 2>lived it, you become so much more aware of how, unfortunately,

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>how selfish some couples can be when they're living with

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>one person, because they're just sometimes not aware of how

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>much extra fifty percent extra the two people consume, but

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>in terms.

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<v Speaker 3>Of actually help one hundred percent extra, not fifty percent

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>extra actually helping you, because I don't think we're telling

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 3>you anything. You don't know.

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>The actual conversation is the hard part where it can

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>be awkward. I think we have to do see how

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it goes, see how much he's coming over again. Maybe

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you do need to bite the bullet and stay with

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>his family every now and again so that your flatmate

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>does have some space, but the conversation needs to go

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>see how it's going, and then if he is there

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>all the time, you need to straight upstate to him, hey,

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe we do need to talk about moving in together,

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.959
<v Speaker 1>because we basically live together anyway, and you can openly

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>bring up the flat mate. You don't put it on them,

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 1>but you're like, you know, there's some I feel guilty.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>There's someone else in this space. So we either need

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to come up with a way where like we're all

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>contributing equally, or maybe you and I do have to

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>move out, Like once you float it like that instead

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of sitting down saying you're like, yo, you need to pay,

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>it's just different. I feel like, hey, I feel like

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't want to start any issues in

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the house, but like, this is her space and that

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 1>we're encroaching in totally. What do you reckon we can

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>do here? I guess we could either move in together,

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you could contribute a bit to make things

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a bit even. And then if he's like he might

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>not have even thought about it, he'd be like, oh, well,

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready to move in, so maybe i'll I'll

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>contribute in other ways.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And if he doesn't, if he flat out refuses to

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>contribute or says, oh, I'll come around less or whatever,

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>then that's a whole other thing that you have to

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with. That's like a reflection of his I mean,

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>his maturity, his commitment to the relationship, like his sense

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of entitlement. There's so many other things to unpack there,

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>so hopefully you don't get to that hurdle.

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Question number two, how important is it to talk

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>through your issues after having a disagreement with your partner.

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<v Speaker 3>My partner and I tend to have issues.

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>We get cross with each other for a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we just go back to normal like nothing

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>ever happened. Part of me thinks this is okay, and

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>we can't always be hunky dory. But then there is

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>another part of me that thinks there needs to be

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a resolution and understanding when there's an issue. I grew

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>up in a household that was not good at resolving conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm learning on the go now, thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>I find this so interesting because there's absolutely two types

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 2>of people, right There's one, Yeah, there's one type of

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>people who like have the conversation, just get it all out,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and then they make up quickly and then they move

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 2>on from it. Then there's other people who when there's conflict,

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>they just don't say anything. They just internally get over it,

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote, and then they just pretend like everything's fine.

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Usually it takes longer to get over it because you've

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>not had any sort of resolution, you've not had any apology.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 3>I know people in my life.

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Who are that version, and I with Matt and the

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 2>other like Matt and I, if we're annoyed at each other,

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>we can't go to sleep unless we've made up, like

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>unless we've had a resolution to it. So we're always

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>like throw it on the table, even if that means

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>that things escalate more, they escalate and then they de

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>escalate quickly because we get to make up before we

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 2>go to bed. But I guess my big thing is

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>is that no way of dealing with conflict is necessarily

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>right or wrong in such a black and white way.

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>But what ignoring conflict and just kind of getting over

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 2>it in your own internally and then never talking about

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and then being going back to fine. For me, my

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>understanding of it is that that can build resentment, and

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it is not fine, and you feel like there's

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.240
<v Speaker 2>a lack of understanding with your partner, you've felt something,

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you've been hurt by something, and then there has been

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>no reparation to try and meet in the middle, or

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to try and see each other's views and to get closer.

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 2>So I think the thing that you're missing with this

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>type of conflict resolution is you're robbing yourselves of the

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>ability to have a deeper connection through conflict, which I

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 2>think some people can achieve.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 3>You have a fight, you make up, you talk.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>About it, and it's within that talking about it that

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>you actually can connect on a deeper level.

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 3>I agree.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you always need a resolution of sorts,

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>but the way people get there is very different, and

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that's why we've done episodes on conflict styles before, because

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>there are conflict styles and people deal with it in

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>different ways. Some people can't sit there and talk about

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it straight away totally. People need to walk away, have

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a breather, have a think, because they react differently once

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>they do. Like, there are so many different ways that

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>people react in any given situation. So the resolution I

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>think for any conflict is imperative. It's just in what

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>way it suits you. I also don't go.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>To bed angry. There's also a difference.

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>What I want to say is and I don't know

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>if I know how to word this properly, but there

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 1>is a difference with you, So you don't you don't

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>talk to your partner for days on end. Right, you

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>can still be upset at something someone has done and

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>someone has said, and you can still let them know that,

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.919
<v Speaker 1>but still be respectful and loving it the same way.

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like, if you guys have an argument

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>or an issue and they've said something hurtful, you can

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>still say to them, Okay, good night, I love you.

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this tomorrow, because you still do love them. Right,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just that they're upset. You can see, I'm really

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 1>upset by what you said. You know, I love you.

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about it tomorrow because I don't want to

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 1>deal with it right now. Like you can still be

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>respectful in a situation and still let your partner know

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>that something isn't quite right yet and you need to

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>work on something.

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really important.

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't love conflict at all, but I don't sit

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>in it, and I don't get angry at someone and

0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>not talk for days on end.

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<v Speaker 3>I will do exactly what I've just said.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Then, if I'm really upset by something, I don't let

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it interfere with the relationship as such. I'll be like,

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I just can't really talk to you at the moment

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>because I'm upset by what you said, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I love you.

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 3>I'll call you in the morning or whatever it is.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's really important to never ever go

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 1>to bed angry, because it doesn't do anything for you either.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It festers.

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>You go to bed and you think about it the

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>entire night. They think about it the entire night. It

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>elongates the fight.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, this is what I mean by it

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>breeds resentment. The problem is is that if you never

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 2>ever ever talk about your conflict in any way, if

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you just completely stay silent and then you have to

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>internally get over it, it creates such a void in

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 2>a relationship over a long period of time, where you

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 2>feel like your partner doesn't know you, or you feel

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>like your partner doesn't respect you, or you feel like

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you have this lack of connection. Think it comes down

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.240
<v Speaker 2>to being conflict avoidant. If you're someone who's conflict avoidant,

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>you're so fearful about like things escalating or how it's

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be interpreted, or maybe your partner is not

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 2>good at conflict and they I'm not gonna say temper

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>because that's a whole other thing, but their reaction to

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 2>it is not something that seems fair, so it's easier

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to just ignore it. But I do think that there

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 2>has to be a happy middle ground between how you

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>deal with this, because not every single conflict can be

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>dealt with by not dealing with it. And I think

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that you pick your battles. You don't have to talk

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>about every single thing, but the things that are really important,

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 2>the things that you need to see.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Eye to eye on.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>You have to have the courage to say, you know,

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>this hurt me, and this is why I feel like

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 2>this because it's the validation of.

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Having your partner understand you that's really powerful. It's not

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 3>even the validation.

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>The question is doesn't need to be understanding when there

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>are issues, absolutely, because if there's not and you just

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I'll get over it in a couple of days,

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.479
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a reoccurring issue because you haven't

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>let them know it's an issue and you haven't told

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>them why it's bothering you. If somebody doesn't know what

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 1>they've done, why it hurts you, it's going to be

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>something that continues to come up in the relationships, so

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you need to make sure they do understand.

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a very big difference though, and I

0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>think it would be remiss of us not to touch on it.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a very big difference between understanding and agreeing. You

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 2>don't have to agree with the reasons, but you do

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>have to accept that someone feels the way they feel

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it may not be valid. And I really also think

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 2>it's sometimes important to touch on the fact that, like,

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>not all feelings are valids. You could be angry about something,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>but in retrospect, like unpack what happened and your feeling

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 2>of anger or frustration or whatever it was, was not

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>a necessarily reasonable reaction to what happened with the beauty

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of hindsight, right, But like sometimes in the moment where like, well,

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.800
<v Speaker 2>this is the way I feel, and people often use.

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 3>That as I respect my feeling. Yeah, well people often.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Use that as a tool now in arguments like well

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 2>this is how I feel, and it's like, great, I

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>understand you feel like that, but I'm not necessarily responsible

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 2>for all of your feelings that you feel like that.

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a horrible thing to say to someone in the

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>moment when they are feeling like it. But I think

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes we have to be self aware enough. I

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 2>guess my big take home from this is like there

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>has to be a healthy middle ground. You can't ignore

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 2>every conflict that happens in your life, and you can't

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 2>go to war on every single thing either. But it

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>all comes back to the number one thing ding ding

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 2>ding that we talk about constantly is communication. How do

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you communicate with your partner? Why are you not able

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>to have conversations with him when there is conflict? Why

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>do you avoid it so fundamentally?

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Is that a you issue? Is that a him issue?

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Get to the bottom of that and it might help

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>you to better understand how you can navigate conflict with

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 2>your partner.

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Question number three is a bit of a random one.

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 1>I just had a convo with a guy that I

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was sort of seeing last year. He slid back into

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.919
<v Speaker 1>my DMS after ghosting me and said he thought about

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>this ghosting moment a few times and he just wanted

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>to apologize for being and dick. I accepted the apology

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and we kept chatting that day.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 3>We chatted for about a week. Then last night, I said,

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 3>so silly.

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Last night I sent him a mem of a cat

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>because he has a cat. Now, the cat is very

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>important in this story. We started chatting got onto the

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>topic of dating and so on. I asked if he

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>thought things would be different or the same if we

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>dated now, because he recognized he wasn't ready and he

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 1>was still hung up on his ex before anyway. He said,

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>m things would probably be the same and we aren't

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 1>compatible for serious dating. I pushed back and asked why

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 1>he felt that we weren't compatible, and he said, in

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 1>an awkward voice, it's because of her dog.

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just think this is an excuse.

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>So okay, he has an issue that she has a

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:26.919
<v Speaker 2>dog and he has a cat, and so he thinks

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that that makes them fundamentally not compatible.

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, because she said her dog is a small, non

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>barkie toy poodle which is hypoellergenic. It's sleep trained, it's

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>create trained, he has his own room, he's got grandparents.

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 3>That baby.

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I just need I have to stop, Like, honestly, can

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I just say this is one of those situations where

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the book the movie is screaming at me.

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 3>He's just not that into you.

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what this is. This is an excuse. He had

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 2>an excuse before, he's got an excuse again. Before it

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 2>was the ex girlfriend. Now it's the cat. And I

0:41:58.480 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 2>know that that's harsh.

0:41:59.200 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 3>I know that shit.

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But if you're having to ask someone like can you

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 2>see yourself dating me?

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 6>Like?

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Shall we do it?

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 6>No?

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You don't say, but why like or you can us

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>white it's after a week.

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 3>It's okay to ask for closure.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It's all okay to say, well, what are the reasons

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>why you don't think we're it compatible? If that's okay,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. Garnering information can be a great thing. But

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 2>if they give you that information and you don't agree

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>with it. It's irrelevant because the thing is is like,

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to be dating someone where you had

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to convince them to date you, especially if they're coming

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 2>up with reasons that are as insignificant and stupid as

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they have a cat and you have

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a dog. It's not that it's insignificant, it it's not.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It could be debilitating in a relationship if one has

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.919
<v Speaker 1>a tiny little kiden and one has a super aggressive dog.

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>There's not a llowed outside of the house like of course,

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>but in this situation it comes back to the very

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>simple if you wanted to he would for the right person,

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>he would probably date someone with a Tyrannosaurus Rex as

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 1>a pet.

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Like there is a deeper issue here, and that is

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 3>exactly that. It just doesn't sound like he is that

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:57.720
<v Speaker 3>into you unfortunately, which sucks.

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>But also like, don't invest any more time, invest any

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 2>more time in someone who has said that they're not

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 2>into you enough twice now, because that's what he's done.

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>He said it once and now he said it again.

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.280
<v Speaker 2>And I know that you obviously have big, strong feelings

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>for him, but sometimes we can we can create I

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say create the relationship, but we can

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>create the potential in our head. You have seen this guy,

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 2>you think that the two of you have so much potential,

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 2>which maybe you would if he would give it a chance.

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>But he is not seeing the potential that you're seeing.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And potential is only that right, It is not a relationship.

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not even indicative of a good relationship. You could

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>start dating this guy and he could be an absolute flog.

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 2>So I think, like, don't waste any more mental energy

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 2>on it. The only other thing I want to say

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 2>is you bring up a very good point. I said,

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>this is stupid and this is just an excuse, but

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it's more interesting to unpack the very real

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.919
<v Speaker 2>situation of having something in your life, I e. A cat,

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:53.320
<v Speaker 2>because like I used to have a cat and a

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.879
<v Speaker 2>dog and they were best friends. So cat and dogs

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 2>don't instantly mean that they're not compatible. But if you

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>have a cat that is like severely adverse to do

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 2>like neurotic around dogs, or you have a dog that

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.839
<v Speaker 2>is completely neurotic around cats and wants to rip them apart,

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>And then you meet someone who you really really vibe

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with and you like and you've started dating but you're

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 2>in a situation where you have two pets or two

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 2>animals that cannot coexist together.

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 3>What do you do?

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 2>There's an expectation that one person's going to get rid

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 2>of their animal. I would love to know how people

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>navigate that situation.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 3>This is the thing, right when you're in.

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 1>The early days, and I mean this was I think

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:27.799
<v Speaker 1>you said you spoke for a week.

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>But let's not even use this example. Let's use any example.

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>You've met someone for a week, you've chatted online, you've

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>gone on two dates.

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 3>There are so many aspects.

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Of their life that do need to match up with

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you to date, political views, family views, morals. Do you

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>want the same thing? Are you at the same point

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>in life? And also it sounds silly, but it's not.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>But their lifestyle, their lifestyle includes animals. If you are

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 1>severely allergic to an animal and they have two cats

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and a dog, then it's not going to be a

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:56.919
<v Speaker 1>match for you because you physically aren't going.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>To be able to get through the relationship.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not like the love of your life and you've

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>been dating them for six months and then they inherit

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>a cat from their somebody. This is one week in

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and it is I think can be a reason to

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 1>not want to continue to date someone You've known them

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>for a week and you've gone two days. If I

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>was dating someone they had a really aggressive dog. Every

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>time they got with my dog, they wanted to tear

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 1>each other's throats out, I just wouldn't keep dating them.

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I've known them for a week. You don't keep trying

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>to kill my dog. It's not gonna work because I'm

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>never giving my dog up.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then the expectation would be like, well, does

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that mean you have to give your dog up?

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 3>And I will never tell that.

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>To somebody exactly, so I think like people will laugh

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>at this, like but also in this situation, I actually

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's the reason.

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 3>I think he's probably just not dating to I.

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Broke up with a guy who was allergic to animals

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 2>when I had I had a cat and a dog,

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and he was severely allergic to animals with hair, and

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, this is just not going to work.

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 3>How can they be seen him for maybe a month.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 2>He came over to my house a couple of times,

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and every time he just did not stop fucking complaining.

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 3>And I get it. He was sick.

0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Of course, he was complaining the poor guy had allergies,

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>couldn't bring That's what I mean, the life lives. But

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, we can't like their lives.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Not changes his life one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I could only go and stay

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<v Speaker 2>at his house, which was then a total inconvenience to

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<v Speaker 2>me because I had to try and organize pet sitters.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked him so much, but I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>can't actually go anywhere because this is such an inconvenient

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<v Speaker 2>relationship for both of us. Yeah, and I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to be honest with yourself, but in

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<v Speaker 2>this instance, this is unfortunately. If you ever have to

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<v Speaker 2>try and convince someone as to why you are compatible,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in those early days. I get it if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a long term relationship and you're going through struggles and

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<v Speaker 2>someone's unsure, there's more in an investment. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>having to convince someone who you've just started dating all

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons why you should be dating, just fucking move on.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't invest that time there. Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to actually know, like maybe we could do

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<v Speaker 1>a little call out out of curiosity. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>know how many of you have had to well, you've

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<v Speaker 1>had to end a relationship where it hasn't worked because

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<v Speaker 1>of this kind of a situation, or they've had to

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<v Speaker 1>do it reverse like this. I'd love just just out

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<v Speaker 1>of curiosity, because I reckon it's pretty common. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was poll it produce Keisha add to your notes.

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