Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This podcast is
Speaker 1: for women who want to take ownership of their lives,
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Speaker 1: to the right place. I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm
Speaker 1: a lawyer turned entrepreneur, co founder of Naked Harvest Supplements,
Speaker 1: and social media personality with a community of over three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. I grew up believing I had to pursue
Speaker 1: the safe option and fit into a mold others had
Speaker 1: created for me. But then I entered my corporate law
Speaker 1: job and I realized that settling for a reality that
Speaker 1: did I didn't set my soul on fire, was something
Speaker 1: I was not prepared to do. I wanted more, and
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you do too. Join me and
Speaker 1: special guests weekly as we get down to the nitty
Speaker 1: gritty on all things health, mastering your mindset, creating lasting habits,
Speaker 1: thriving in your career and relationships, plus so much more,
Speaker 1: and together we'll gain the knowledge and perspective to pursue
Speaker 1: our wildest dreams and kick fear to the curb. Well,
Speaker 1: what are you waiting for? Let's rise and conquer. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Rise and Conquer podcast. Today,
Speaker 1: I am bringing you a chat with the WBFF bikini
Speaker 1: pro and one of my closest girlfriends, Micky Parker. I've
Speaker 1: known Mickey since high school and we weren't exactly close
Speaker 1: friends in high school, but we actually start sard renting
Speaker 1: an apartment together when we're around nineteen and became the
Speaker 1: most closest sister gal pals. She is just such an
Speaker 1: amazing overall human. She has so much knowledge on health
Speaker 1: and fitness. She's a qualified pet, she has won a
Speaker 1: couple of bikini titles, and we have a really amazing
Speaker 1: chat about lots of things. Micky, much like me, went
Speaker 1: through a complicated start with her fitness journey, had some
Speaker 1: issues with body image and disordered eating habits and that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and she really found her way when
Speaker 1: she became a qualified PT and started to do bikini
Speaker 1: body competitions and has really found a balanced lifestyle and
Speaker 1: now coaches other women to feel really good in their
Speaker 1: own skin and to lead a similar lifestyle. So in
Speaker 1: our conversation, we get down to what made Mickey want
Speaker 1: to jump into the world of bikini comps, and she
Speaker 1: clears up a lot of miscommunications surrounding them and also
Speaker 1: shares so many good tips on nutrition and fitness, plus
Speaker 1: so much more. This is such a fun recording. You
Speaker 1: can tell we were having a really fun time. We
Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other in a while and we could
Speaker 1: just literally talk about hours. But it's a really good episode,
Speaker 1: so I hope you enjoy it. Let's get straight into
Speaker 1: the show. Welcome to the show. Mikayla. You hate when
Speaker 1: I qure you.
Speaker 2: Because I stop looking into my eyes.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I'll set the scene. So I've been staying
Speaker 1: at Mickey's house. I'm down down in Sydney, Yes, down
Speaker 1: in Sydney and recording some podcasts saying with Mick, and
Speaker 1: it's been good because I hate being away and being
Speaker 1: out of routine. But because Mick and me have lived
Speaker 1: together before, I feel super comfortable borrowing all your shit toothbrush.
Speaker 2: It's great. It does just feel natural, though, which is nice.
Speaker 1: Brings back to men. So we are getting into a
Speaker 1: very exciting conversation. This will just be like us talking shit,
Speaker 1: let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably won't be the most professional podcast you've ever.
Speaker 1: Heard in any like sort of og followers, you remember
Speaker 1: me and Mickey's content, like, this is what it's like.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited though, because it's a different sort.
Speaker 2: Of poty, real, very raw.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as you know, as I told you before, Mick,
Speaker 1: the new question that I asked all my guests is
Speaker 1: what current season are you in? So what I mean
Speaker 1: by this is we all go through seasons, and I
Speaker 1: like to call them seasons because sometimes they're really hectic,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're a struggle, sometimes they're really good. But it's
Speaker 1: knowing that it's a season, so you know you're not
Speaker 1: always going to be in it, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: or being really grateful for when you're in a really
Speaker 1: good season. So what sort of season are you in?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm definitely still in a very busy season. At
Speaker 2: the end of the last year, I was in a
Speaker 2: really busy season after having more of a relaxed season
Speaker 2: probably before that, after my competition, I was traveling and stuff,
Speaker 2: and then at the end of last year, you know,
Speaker 2: coming to the end the year. I thought it would
Speaker 2: kind of quiet down and everything, but no, it was very,
Speaker 2: very busy, and it's kind of honestly just carried all
Speaker 2: the way through to January, the first month of this year.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't really have it any other way. It
Speaker 2: has been really good. And I like that you asked
Speaker 2: this question because I totally agree with you in that
Speaker 2: sense that it is just a season and throughout the year.
Speaker 2: I do definitely go through a few different seasons, and
Speaker 2: it really depends what I've got on in what we'll
Speaker 2: get into in my competing, in my business.
Speaker 1: Different parties exactly.
Speaker 2: At the moment, my main focus is really my health
Speaker 2: and family and my business at the moment as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a season of hustle can relate. So for
Speaker 1: those listeners who don't know you, can you give us
Speaker 1: just a bit of a snapshot of who you are?
Speaker 1: Who is Mickey Parker?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll start back when I guess we met,
Speaker 2: because that's probably just the easiest.
Speaker 1: Started your line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ever yet part of it, so that was
Speaker 2: we lived together back in Brisbane. I am originally from Brisbane,
Speaker 2: probably about four or five years ago, and back then
Speaker 2: I moved in with Georgie and her partner. I was
Speaker 2: like Beyonce husband, God, it's it's been a long time.
Speaker 2: So we all lived together back then, and I was
Speaker 2: actually studying law same as Georgie, so I feel like
Speaker 2: that's where we really meshed. But throughout this whole time,
Speaker 2: I was always really passionate about health and fitness while
Speaker 2: I was studying law, and I was working full time
Speaker 2: in a law firm as well, so in Brisbane, I
Speaker 2: was very busy. Because I also decided on the side
Speaker 2: of full time law work and part time university study,
Speaker 2: I decided to do my Set three and so Foreign
Speaker 2: Fitness just because I was really passionate about it and
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it, but also because I needed to
Speaker 2: have more education around health and fitness and nutrition because
Speaker 2: I found myself getting stuck in a bad cycle with
Speaker 2: nutrition and food and things will get into I'm sure
Speaker 2: in this podcast, but that's when I moved to Sydney
Speaker 2: with my partner, and I really just was so passionate
Speaker 2: about health and fitness that I thought, why not use
Speaker 2: my certificates instead of just being for my own personal
Speaker 2: use and education, why not just do it for even
Speaker 2: a year see how it goes. And when I moved
Speaker 2: to Sydney, I did exactly that, started in the fitness
Speaker 2: space and left law behind and I actually put my
Speaker 2: law on hold at university and everything. So I was
Speaker 2: a really big step and from there I just fell
Speaker 2: in love with the health and fitness space and being
Speaker 2: able to help women kind of get through that struggle
Speaker 2: that I once found myself really stuck in that binge
Speaker 2: recycle go again, that binge restrict cycle. I was like, recycle.
Speaker 2: I was like, what binge restrict cycle?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well let's actually start there. So what would
Speaker 1: you say your teenage years were like in regards to
Speaker 1: your relationship with food and your body. Oh, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky because at the time and early twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the time, back then, because I was coming from
Speaker 1: an uneducated place and I feel like there's so much
Speaker 1: more education on social media and stuff now. I was
Speaker 1: training a lot, I was cutting calories, I was doing
Speaker 1: like no carbs after five. I did have a really
Speaker 1: bad relationship with food.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because I can see that now, but
Speaker 2: at the time I thought I was being so fit
Speaker 2: and so healthy.
Speaker 1: And you were almost praised if you could do any
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I remember, I was actually thinking back to
Speaker 2: this the other day. I remember one of my news resolutions,
Speaker 2: this is so bad to admit, used to be to
Speaker 2: not have chocolate for three weeks.
Speaker 1: And to me, dude, wasn't it like three months? Was it?
Speaker 2: Just I used to try and like restrict things over
Speaker 2: certain pots.
Speaker 1: Do you hate chocolate?
Speaker 2: I love because I love chocolate and.
Speaker 1: One of your weaknesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it always comes down to the good and
Speaker 2: bad food mentality. And I was an all or nothing
Speaker 2: type of person. So if I was dieting, I was
Speaker 2: a clean eater and I wanted to be like the
Speaker 2: cleanest eater, Like I wanted to do it one hundred
Speaker 2: percent because I thought that was the way that you
Speaker 2: were successful, if that makes sense. Like I thought, if
Speaker 2: you were eating chocolate, that that means that you know
Speaker 2: you've failed and you're not eating clean and you're not
Speaker 2: you know, being.
Speaker 1: Your healthier self, like a very all or nothing approach
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's taken years and years to break that. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to lie. It wasn't like all of a
Speaker 2: sudden I just came out of that.
Speaker 1: So how did you develop from that mindset and maybe
Speaker 1: even talk a little bit about what is your mindset
Speaker 1: now around your food and body.
Speaker 2: So I have done a complete one point eighty. So
Speaker 2: I used to always want to restrict, and I always
Speaker 2: wanted to get skinnier and skinnier, like the skinniest little legs.
Speaker 2: So I was always cutting calories, doing cardio, just doing
Speaker 2: as much as possible. And now I really focus on
Speaker 2: fueling my body and eating. I actually want to eat
Speaker 2: as many calories as I possibly can to fuel my body.
Speaker 2: And the restriction is just completely gone now, Like I
Speaker 2: don't restrict any food groups, any macros, I don't really
Speaker 2: live by any food rules, like I've gotten rid of
Speaker 2: them completely. I just really like to ensure that I'm
Speaker 2: getting a healthy, balanced diet, so enough protein, carbs, fats,
Speaker 2: and nutrients. But then I also allow myself if I
Speaker 2: want chocolate, I'll have chocolate my whole prep and just
Speaker 2: my everyday life. I will have if I feel like it.
Speaker 2: I will have chocolate every day. If I don't feel
Speaker 2: like it, I won't have it. Like it just no
Speaker 2: longer can controls you. No, Like it's not even really
Speaker 2: a thought that I have, and it seems so distant now.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry to butt in. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: I obviously know that you were never diagnosed or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but do think you had some sort of
Speaker 1: eating disorder? Sorry to put you on the spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think No, I think I had disordered eating. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't think I had an eating disorder, And honestly,
Speaker 2: I think it really just stemmed from being uneducated as well,
Speaker 2: and the way that I was viewing calories and not
Speaker 2: appreciating how my body could actually work. Because once I
Speaker 2: did get educated in how the body works, like the
Speaker 2: human physiology for me, that's where I was. I actually
Speaker 2: had this moment where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: I did have that moment and yes, my mindset and
Speaker 2: that took a little bit longer to catch up to
Speaker 2: more of my analytical brain that was like, yes, that's
Speaker 2: how it were. Yes, So there was a bit of
Speaker 2: lag there, but honestly, that was definitely my turning point, Like.
Speaker 1: It was clear as day getting more educated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as I understood exactly what was going
Speaker 2: on in the body, I'm really a why person, So
Speaker 2: I'm always like but why, Yes, So once I understood
Speaker 2: that why, and now I know the functions of the
Speaker 2: body and what actually happens, so which is probably different
Speaker 2: for everyone. I think their why is going to be
Speaker 2: different to get them out of that. But once I
Speaker 2: understood that, that's where I really noticed that my mindset
Speaker 2: really started to change.
Speaker 1: Yes, see that's so interesting. So as you would know,
Speaker 1: and maybe a lot of the listeners is like, I
Speaker 1: have a similar story. So because we kind of went
Speaker 1: through our obsessive phase together, I don't know, would you
Speaker 1: say that?
Speaker 2: I think so. And I think because like what I
Speaker 2: mentioned before, we were a little uneducated as well. We
Speaker 2: thought we thought we were doing really well. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: we thought we were almost like feeding off each other.
Speaker 1: We were a one hundred percent feeding off each other,
Speaker 1: and it was easy. It was almost easier to do
Speaker 1: it with someone because we used to go to gym
Speaker 1: every single morning. We'd wake up at like five o'clock,
Speaker 1: we'd do an F forty five class. And then we
Speaker 1: were living together and it was like so much easier
Speaker 1: because one hundred percent. Don't you think it almost felt
Speaker 1: like very and I don't want to butcher this or
Speaker 1: it almost felt like not euphoric, but it felt like
Speaker 1: I almost got this high from and I know there
Speaker 1: are actually studies that this happens when you restrict food,
Speaker 1: but it almost got this high from like working out
Speaker 1: really like pushing myself and not eating and then being like,
Speaker 1: like you said, like successful at it, Like I was
Speaker 1: really proud of myself, Like it really.
Speaker 2: Was this proper.
Speaker 1: Feeling that I was getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, me too, And like now looking back, we know,
Speaker 2: I know, ridiculous. That's why it's very hard for me
Speaker 2: to put it into words because it's completely different when
Speaker 2: when you were in that and back then, Like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to give people context now of there's so much
Speaker 2: more education given to like the general consumer on Instagram
Speaker 2: or on any platform.
Speaker 1: Back then, there was no education and captions. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of spo photo.
Speaker 2: See. This was the other thing that I was going
Speaker 2: to add to it. We were almost praised as well
Speaker 2: by those things, and everyone's like, oh, you're doing.
Speaker 1: So well, You're so fit, you say. We also to
Speaker 1: be completely transparent, like blew up on Instagram, like we
Speaker 1: were gaining a lot of followers and getting a lot
Speaker 1: of praise from stuff we were doing together and being
Speaker 1: really active and one hundred percent. So it felt like it.
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like we were doing at that time. It
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it was anything negative. No, until obviously
Speaker 2: we I guess we started coming out.
Speaker 1: Well sorry, this is what I was going to say
Speaker 1: before you were saying your turning point was very much
Speaker 1: getting the education and really knowing your white I think
Speaker 1: when I think back, mine was really getting to the point.
Speaker 1: And this is because again I think we'll get into
Speaker 1: this about our bodies being so different and not ours,
Speaker 1: like everyone's body is being so just me and you.
Speaker 1: But I got to the point where I couldn't sustain
Speaker 1: how much less food I was eating, So I almost
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have changed until my body
Speaker 1: started giving me those symptoms of hormone and balance and
Speaker 1: like all that sort of and they have really bad
Speaker 1: acting and all that sort of thing. So I almost
Speaker 1: needed a physical reaction from my body to say, no,
Speaker 1: it's enough, you need to stop.
Speaker 2: But that's also in my eyes, like you got more
Speaker 2: education at that point when the doctors were telling you, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is why. Yeah, because I realized the.
Speaker 1: Root cause was literally I was being restricted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then you realize that that's a cause from
Speaker 2: you know, the lifestyle that you were leading.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember, because we both started getting quite bad
Speaker 1: acne at the same time and we were like, it's
Speaker 1: the pre workout and like all these things, and like,
Speaker 1: now looking back, it was it was probably a lot
Speaker 1: simple of that. But okay, sorry, I went on and
Speaker 1: ran there. Guys. Okay, so let's get into fitness comps
Speaker 1: because this is a big part of your life. And
Speaker 1: I feel like fitness comps there was definitely a point
Speaker 1: where it was almost like a trendy thing to do,
Speaker 1: and I remember you weren't doing it at that stage
Speaker 1: or anything like that. You then got into it a
Speaker 1: bit later, is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, So I really wanted to do a fitness
Speaker 2: competition years and years before I actually did. But I
Speaker 2: had recognized that I didn't have a healthy relationship with
Speaker 2: food because I was I like cutting so many food groups.
Speaker 2: I remember, I was cutting carbs completely, which is so
Speaker 2: dumb for me, especially like so silly the way that
Speaker 2: my body works as well.
Speaker 1: So what compelled you to want to compete? So?
Speaker 2: I think I just got to a place where I
Speaker 2: was in a really good relationship with food and I
Speaker 2: was loving my training. I felt really strong, I felt
Speaker 2: really fit. I didn't have any like emotional ties to
Speaker 2: food anymore. And then I just wanted a challenge. I
Speaker 2: have always been really, really into health and fitness. I
Speaker 2: just for me, it's really about progression and challenging myself.
Speaker 2: Like it felt like the next step, felt like the
Speaker 2: next step, and it felt like time. I think I
Speaker 2: gave it, Like it must have been because when after
Speaker 2: I moved to Sydney, so.
Speaker 3: I remembering four years before you did it, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is this is the thing, Like I wanted to
Speaker 3: back when I did my first PT sessions when I
Speaker 3: was like eighteen, And it wasn't until many years later
Speaker 3: till I actually stepped on stage for the first time.
Speaker 1: And So for those who don't really kind of know
Speaker 1: what a fitness comp is, and I know you specifically
Speaker 1: now are doing WBFF YEP, and can you kind of
Speaker 1: just explain what goes into a comp prep because you
Speaker 1: see people like I'm in prep, I'm you know, doing prep.
Speaker 1: What is this prep business? What is prep? What is prep?
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a bit of context. So
Speaker 2: with fitness or bikini shows, there's different federations and generally
Speaker 2: they look for a different type of look So I've
Speaker 2: competed with two one called ICN and one called WBFF,
Speaker 2: and they all are quite different than They have different
Speaker 2: divisions as well, so this is just giving you context.
Speaker 2: There might be a bikini division or a fitness or
Speaker 2: figure and it just comes back to the muscularity and
Speaker 2: also the leanness of the competitor. So what goes into
Speaker 2: it with the prep At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: It really just comes down to making sure that you
Speaker 2: have enough muscle mass in the right areas for that
Speaker 2: category and then also having the leanness and the symmetry
Speaker 2: the shape for that particular category as well. But obviously
Speaker 2: that does come with different stages in prep and different seasons.
Speaker 2: So for example, you generally have an off season and
Speaker 2: a prep like what you've spoken about, so off season
Speaker 2: is generally where you focus on building and bettering your
Speaker 2: muscle mass, so increasing calories, making sure that your hormone
Speaker 2: is really healthy, getting your calories as high as possible,
Speaker 2: so that when it does come to the prep part,
Speaker 2: so the cutting the calories part and getting leaner that
Speaker 2: you are able to you know, have a nice and
Speaker 2: healthier prep with not cutting calories too low or having
Speaker 2: too much cardio so there really is a lot to it,
Speaker 2: but the preparations, Yeah, there's a lot of science behind it,
Speaker 2: but the preparation is really the time it takes to
Speaker 2: prepare to get on stage. So not only is it
Speaker 2: the weight training and cardio if you've got it, the nutrition,
Speaker 2: stage presence pose in getting all the other stuff for
Speaker 2: girls ready, like the bikini, the shoes, like absolutely everything.
Speaker 2: So there really is a lot that goes goes into it,
Speaker 2: and everyone's prep is going to be different depending on
Speaker 2: their starting point and what federation and category they're in.
Speaker 2: So some people or some women for example, in a
Speaker 2: bikini category might already have the shape and the muscular
Speaker 2: tone that they require for that category and they just
Speaker 2: need to get lean, so their prep might be, you know,
Speaker 2: a twenty week diet, whereas with myself in the category
Speaker 2: that I'm competing in currently WBFF Bikini, I need to
Speaker 2: build more size and more shape, so a lot of
Speaker 2: my prep is actually spent in a surplus eating a
Speaker 2: lot of food, training and trying to put on weight
Speaker 2: and trying to put on muscle, and then at the
Speaker 2: very end then I do my cut. So it really
Speaker 2: depends person to person, but the prep is just getting
Speaker 2: yourself ready.
Speaker 1: So give us a little example in insight the four
Speaker 1: one month of like the prep that you're about to do,
Speaker 1: because I know you're competing middle of the year or August,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, October hopefully, and so give us it, like,
Speaker 1: I know, is that is it sixteen weeks? How many weeks?
Speaker 1: And what do those weeks or to entail? I know
Speaker 1: there's like different blocks that you've talked about previously.
Speaker 2: Again, it's going to depend on the person completely.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, then let's talk about your last prep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and give a little example because you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I remember my last prep. I think I
Speaker 2: prepped for about six months with my coach. We started
Speaker 2: on an eight week build phase. So with this we
Speaker 2: started around two thousand, one hundred calories and over the
Speaker 2: weeks we just increased those and we I think we
Speaker 2: stopped at about twenty six hundred calories. So over that time,
Speaker 2: not only was I increasing my calories into a surplus,
Speaker 2: I was also weight training about five times per week,
Speaker 2: and then the other two I was resting because rest
Speaker 2: is really important, especially when trying to build muscle mass,
Speaker 2: and with my body type as well, I do struggle
Speaker 2: to put on muscles, so I need to ensure that
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, like I used to do, go
Speaker 2: crazy with the cardio or anything like that. So for me,
Speaker 2: cardio actually get stripped right back, and I need to
Speaker 2: really focus on putting in good weight sessions and then
Speaker 2: resting and then for the rest of the prep. We
Speaker 2: did do a long diet, as it was my first
Speaker 2: prep with this particular coach. We did a long diet,
Speaker 2: it must have been well the rest of the six months,
Speaker 2: and what we did was a less aggressive deficit or diet,
Speaker 2: so we didn't take away too many calories, and my
Speaker 2: calories really didn't get too low at all because what
Speaker 2: we were doing was just a slight deficit. And then
Speaker 2: we were also doing diet breaks and refeeds throughout the
Speaker 2: time as well to try and maintain some of the
Speaker 2: muscle mass and not lose the muscle that I'd just
Speaker 2: spent all this time building, which is obviously the difficult
Speaker 2: part as well. You spend all this time building with muscle,
Speaker 2: especially for myself, then when I start cutting, I generally
Speaker 2: lose it. So it's really a science of you know,
Speaker 2: manipulating calories and training to ensure that we're trying to
Speaker 2: keep as much muscle mass as possible and not just
Speaker 2: get as light or as lean as possible. So it
Speaker 2: is a little bit more complex.
Speaker 1: M and so you have a coach that goes through
Speaker 1: this process with you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my coach now is coach Mark Carroll on ig
Speaker 2: shameless plug at Mark Carroll. Yeah, so he I found
Speaker 2: out about him through Clean Health Fitness Institute, which is
Speaker 2: here in Sydney, and my prep with him has been
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. My first prep and my prep before that
Speaker 2: with ICN was a completely different. So it just goes
Speaker 2: to show like different, You'll have a different prep experience
Speaker 2: every time.
Speaker 1: Can you talk us through because I remember you telling
Speaker 1: me about that. Can you talk us through your first
Speaker 1: compprep experience and what was different?
Speaker 2: Okay, so my first comprep experience was with the ICN.
Speaker 2: So they like a very very lean physique. Naturally I
Speaker 2: am quite lean, so I was like, okay, this does
Speaker 2: suit my body type and ability. So it was just
Speaker 2: very different. The coaching style, you know, each to their own.
Speaker 2: And this is why it's so important to find a
Speaker 2: coach that you share the same methods with and the
Speaker 2: same mortality with, because this coach and not saying anything bad,
Speaker 2: but she didn't believe in macro's or calories or anything.
Speaker 2: She put me on a meal plan, which, again for
Speaker 2: my first comp experience with my background, I had one
Speaker 2: meal plan and I had to eat the exact same
Speaker 2: foods for the whole yeah, about six months as well,
Speaker 2: and we started with her on two thousand calorie end.
Speaker 2: By the end of it, I don't even want to
Speaker 2: say so, we just kept taking away calories or she
Speaker 2: was just taking away food out of my meal plan.
Speaker 2: And the last I remember Peak week do not recommend
Speaker 2: this at all, but I actually calculated my macros and
Speaker 2: it was something like eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Calories for that way to go.
Speaker 2: So that was very tricky for me coming out of
Speaker 2: that because that was my first experience, and I had
Speaker 2: always said I was like, oh, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll ever compete again, because it wasn't It's funny because
Speaker 2: I actually won my show, I won all my divisions. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but for me the experience, I value my health, as
Speaker 2: you know, very highly obviously, and I just felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, there was better ways to do it, and
Speaker 2: I always said to myself, I would not compete again until,
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like there was a plan in
Speaker 2: place where we could do it much better. And then
Speaker 2: that's where Mark came in. So I didn't compete again
Speaker 2: for another year and a half. And I think that
Speaker 2: is important to not continuously be competing and give yourself
Speaker 2: that time to recover, Like it took me eight months
Speaker 2: at least for my immune system and my hormones and
Speaker 2: stuff to recover from that prep at least eight to
Speaker 2: twelve months.
Speaker 1: So yea, well, let's actually talk about that though. So
Speaker 1: do you think competing is for everyone?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there certain people that competing is not for?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to limit it at all, but
Speaker 2: I think when deciding to go for a competition, you
Speaker 2: just need to be sure of your why. Because it
Speaker 2: is an extreme spot. It's not I think it is
Speaker 2: taken a little bit too lightly sometimes because people don't
Speaker 2: realize the extremities of the dieting and what that can
Speaker 2: actually do later down the track, especially if you don't
Speaker 2: do it. You know that right, And some people really
Speaker 2: do have to grind and really have to get their
Speaker 2: calories really low. It's very difficult to come out of,
Speaker 2: not only for your mindset, how you view your body.
Speaker 2: Then you know your relationship with your body, but your
Speaker 2: relationship with food. And I really experienced this after that
Speaker 2: first prep, Like I really felt like I relapsed back
Speaker 2: because I was, you know, had like body to small
Speaker 2: for your again because I was that lean. And I
Speaker 2: remember taking photos and I was like, I'm not even lean.
Speaker 2: If I could insert the photo right now, guys, I
Speaker 2: looked so creepily lean. That's how much you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost fed back in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you just have to I think people to
Speaker 2: be just don't take it lightly when deciding to do
Speaker 2: a competition. Make sure you're doing it for the right reasons,
Speaker 2: Like if you already have a bad relationship with food currently,
Speaker 2: like don't don't even think about it's not going to help.
Speaker 2: If you're also doing it to like lose a bunch
Speaker 2: of like weight, I just I don't think it's the
Speaker 2: best way. I think it's really important to make sure
Speaker 2: that you've been training and weight training for a long time,
Speaker 2: you have a really good starting position with where your
Speaker 2: calories are out, you're not underreading already, you haven't been
Speaker 2: underreading recently, and just make sure that your why is
Speaker 2: important enough, Like I'm not saying it's not for everyone.
Speaker 2: But it's just well, I think people just need to
Speaker 2: think about it, that's all.
Speaker 1: I love what you said about I think sometimes especially
Speaker 1: on social media, you know, you see these girls and
Speaker 1: they're prepping, and it's almost sometimes you forget that that's
Speaker 1: actually a sport. Like you trained for it, you compete
Speaker 1: in it, there's awards, there's prizes, everything like that, and
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people do forget that it's in a
Speaker 1: sport and it's an also extreme sport because like you said,
Speaker 1: there can be huge healthi ish issues. So it's just
Speaker 1: being aware of it.
Speaker 2: It's just being aware and making sure that you have
Speaker 2: a good coach and a good approach. Really right, didn't
Speaker 2: mean to rhyme, I know, I just looked at you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was good. No, So I think
Speaker 2: that is really important and to understand, Yeah, just the
Speaker 2: implications as well, and not implications.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 2: But you need to think about the long term and
Speaker 2: your exit strategy, like your plan after yeah, because that's
Speaker 2: where people get stuck.
Speaker 1: Well, for example, I think to put it into perspective,
Speaker 1: so you know, we lived together four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: and at that time that was kind of a very
Speaker 1: disordered eating disordered habits and all that sort of time.
Speaker 1: And only just in the last couple of years do
Speaker 1: I feel like I've even recovered from that. And I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, like my hormones went through this like red,
Speaker 1: Like it took so long for me to get to
Speaker 1: a stable weight where I wasn't yo yo, when where
Speaker 1: I wasn't binging, and where I didn't have like these
Speaker 1: constant thoughts that consumed me and like I was like
Speaker 1: just doing it for fun and it wasn't even as
Speaker 1: extreme as someone who does it well, not all, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like competing, So I think
Speaker 1: sometimes people don't realize that, yeah you can, you can compete,
Speaker 1: and you can look really good, but it like might
Speaker 1: be literally like years after that. You're then trying to
Speaker 1: get back to normal.
Speaker 2: And there's been studies on like people's metabolic rates and
Speaker 2: their hormones and it takes time for it to recover.
Speaker 1: Like and you've done that so well. I love how
Speaker 1: you did your first comp and you did weight and
Speaker 1: then you did you can tell even like you guys
Speaker 1: will have seen photos of Mickey or makes you go
Speaker 1: check check her out, check that butt out, but you
Speaker 1: can shame us, But you can really see such a
Speaker 1: difference from your progression and even your body now you've
Speaker 1: put on so much more weight. You've really like you've
Speaker 1: built that progression up in a way that has been
Speaker 1: very disciplined. But over this long period of time, it
Speaker 1: hasn't been this quick thing that has happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it just it just comes down to learning,
Speaker 2: and I feel like you learn something from each prep
Speaker 2: but coming back to the whole disciplined thing and people
Speaker 2: kind of rebounding. I think the other misconception with competing
Speaker 2: is they think that if they fail or if they rebound,
Speaker 2: that's a lack of discipline. But what they don't realize
Speaker 2: is you're it's like what we said, it's an extreme sport.
Speaker 2: And literally your human physiology, like your hormones, there's so
Speaker 2: many things fighting that like years of ever survival. Ah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like survival, Like your body does not want you to
Speaker 2: starve to death.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't want you to be that lean.
Speaker 2: No, it does not want you to be that lean.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, once you kind of start really
Speaker 2: pushing it, it wants to rebound the other way twice
Speaker 2: as hard. And there's been countless studies on this, and
Speaker 2: that's why it really for me as well, is important
Speaker 2: to not compete too soon together, like what we were
Speaker 2: talking about, to really make sure that I've recovered again
Speaker 2: and I'm in a good place before I put my
Speaker 2: body through that stress again, because otherwise, if you're constantly
Speaker 2: doing compreps, I feel like you're really just yoyo dieter
Speaker 2: and you're even promoting that, so which I feel like
Speaker 2: that's probably going to upset a lot of people who
Speaker 2: do compete often. But that's that's my honest opinion because
Speaker 2: some of these people, even pros in all different federations,
Speaker 2: Like I know, their maintenance and their calories and their
Speaker 2: metabolic rate is really low, and that's from constantly dieting.
Speaker 1: Never refeeding let their body rebuild because.
Speaker 2: They're always cutting down for the photoshoots or for the
Speaker 2: for the event or for you know. So it is
Speaker 2: an extreme sport and it's just you just need to
Speaker 2: know what's actually going on inside the body.
Speaker 1: Well, the here's an interesting question, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be bold, do you think there are people in that
Speaker 1: industry that they've definitely got disordered eating and they kind
Speaker 1: of use the competition to almost hide it.
Speaker 2: Oh probably.
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I know? I was like,
Speaker 1: how do I say? I don't want you to name
Speaker 1: names or anything, but how do I say this? You
Speaker 1: could imagine that happening, of course.
Speaker 2: And like I was one of them in my first competition,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Everyone was praising me.
Speaker 2: Again I won my comp I went to nationals.
Speaker 1: That you feel second, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it's so easy to get fall back into back
Speaker 2: up into that and then because you know it is
Speaker 2: these people's profession and it is their life, then yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, but yeah, that's pretty much. So it is hard.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel like over the
Speaker 2: years I see things heading more and more towards the
Speaker 2: right direction. Yes, so it's definitely been I just see
Speaker 2: it progressing in a better way.
Speaker 1: So which is why it's so important to make sure
Speaker 1: you have the right coach, to make sure you're doing
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons and have that background of
Speaker 1: you know, you've been weight training for years and that
Speaker 1: sort of body base.
Speaker 2: I think it is base base, but I think it
Speaker 2: is a bit. I just don't know if it's always
Speaker 2: the best. If you know, someone starts in the gym
Speaker 2: and their first goal in the first few months is
Speaker 2: to do a competition. And I think it really is
Speaker 2: important to you know, progress through the gym, get good
Speaker 2: at the movements and everything, movement pas time, give yourself time,
Speaker 2: and then when you feel like you're in a really
Speaker 2: good place and you want to challenge yourself and if
Speaker 2: you want to do it, then then I think one
Speaker 2: thousand percent, go for it. It sounds like I'm saying
Speaker 2: don't compete.
Speaker 1: No, but I think it's I think it's important that
Speaker 1: people are aware of this because I feel like there
Speaker 1: was definitely a trend where just everyone was doing it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, not till now that everyone has.
Speaker 2: Realized struggled a little bit because I felt like even
Speaker 2: I was, you know, competitors. We glamorize it. We wear
Speaker 2: these beautiful bikinis, like all sparkly, you know, have the
Speaker 2: full glam on.
Speaker 1: The stripper hills, yeah, the stripper heels. Post My favorite part,
Speaker 1: all the videos.
Speaker 2: Of us being like that lean you know, because yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's why I love your account and
Speaker 1: you're one of the few people I follow who do
Speaker 1: finish accounts of best friends but follow you bit you do,
Speaker 1: like you post photos and you're like, this is what
Speaker 1: it looks like, Like this is literally me on one
Speaker 1: week of the comprest and then you post photos of
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when I'm refeeding, and
Speaker 1: you post the whole journey, not just the highlights. I
Speaker 1: think that's important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important because people just see on show day
Speaker 2: and they see how lean you are and they think
Speaker 2: that that's maintainable, and it's not. That's the whole thing
Speaker 2: of peak week, like we do. You know that whole
Speaker 2: six month prep for that one day, and then the
Speaker 2: next day you probably don't look like that already. So
Speaker 2: I think that's another misconception that you know you can
Speaker 2: hold stage leanness or you will look that way. It's
Speaker 2: it's just impossible. I don't know anyone who's held their
Speaker 2: stage leiness. It's not healthy and you should and you shouldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think that's just something as well, And that
Speaker 2: is something like what I was saying. I've struggled with
Speaker 2: a little bit on social media because I feel like
Speaker 2: I have been part of the problem with glamorizing it
Speaker 2: as well. So that's why I do try and be
Speaker 2: as open as possible and not really negative. But in
Speaker 2: those last weeks when I feel shit, be like I
Speaker 2: feel shit because I'm not eating much and you should
Speaker 2: probably eat more than it. Yeah, So just being transparent,
Speaker 2: and I just really like to share on my page
Speaker 2: exactly where I'm at, exactly what I'm eating, Not telling
Speaker 2: anyone to do the same, but just to keep it
Speaker 2: open and to show people exactly what I'm doing as well.
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Speaker 1: get straight back into the episode. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about kind of the mindset and mind shift of
Speaker 1: when you are on comprep and then when you're in
Speaker 1: your off season leg Is there something where you have
Speaker 1: to really kind of shift out a certain mindsets or
Speaker 1: any advice in that regards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I for me, definitely, off season is a
Speaker 2: more relaxed lifestyle. I have my calories so high, so
Speaker 2: nothing not that anything is off limits, but nothing's limits
Speaker 2: in the sense of social events and obviously food and
Speaker 2: that type of thing as well. And you can just
Speaker 2: have more flexibility, like even down to the mindset of
Speaker 2: sleep and the ways that you spend your time. In
Speaker 2: off season, I feel like there's more flexibility because it's
Speaker 2: not as soon. But obviously when you're in prep and
Speaker 2: even being you know, twenty weeks out versus eight weeks out,
Speaker 2: like there's a very different mindset and you do get
Speaker 2: to a point where you're like, all right, you're stepping
Speaker 2: on that stage in ten weeks, Like, come on, you
Speaker 2: have to be disciplined. Now. This is where like everything counts.
Speaker 2: Like if you're not getting enough sleep of a night time,
Speaker 2: that's going to affect your performance and then you're gonna
Speaker 2: feel shit and you're gonna want to overeat. So there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of mind shifts, and I feel like
Speaker 2: you actually go through them as you get closer to
Speaker 2: stepping on stage. Especially when you're in that prep zone,
Speaker 2: you need to really think about who and what you're
Speaker 2: giving your energy to, because as you do start cutting
Speaker 2: calories and you get closer and closer to that time,
Speaker 2: you get really busy as well, because not only are
Speaker 2: you prepping, you've got an hour of posing, You're trying
Speaker 2: to organize like where you're staying, and you're a bikini
Speaker 2: and everything. I feel like it's just so time consuming.
Speaker 2: It's literally like a part time job. It's like twenty
Speaker 2: five hours ago.
Speaker 1: That's what's something I found quite astonishing. And this is
Speaker 1: what I mean by people almost need to take up
Speaker 1: more seriously. As we were chatting and you're like, it's
Speaker 1: literally like having another full time job for like twenty
Speaker 1: weeks or how we long of the long you do
Speaker 1: your prep because of all the preparaction, I guess that's
Speaker 1: why they call it prep, even the stuff like making
Speaker 1: your food and making sure you get that gym session.
Speaker 1: I remember all that.
Speaker 2: Just a few weeks, my sessions were taking like an
Speaker 2: hour and a half and then making sure that I
Speaker 2: was getting my steps in cardio was like another hour,
Speaker 2: and then posing was like another half an hour. Food
Speaker 2: press so I was doing like at least four very
Speaker 2: serious a day of prep.
Speaker 1: Athletes so it's just it is.
Speaker 2: It's a lot, and that's what I struggled with the
Speaker 2: most was managing my time with running a business and
Speaker 2: everything as well. So for me, the mindset shifts getting
Speaker 2: back to that is definitely as you get closer and
Speaker 2: just it's more prioritizing what's really important to getting you
Speaker 2: to that goal. And at the end of it, you
Speaker 2: do have to be a little bit selfish on where
Speaker 2: you do distribute your time and energy.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent love that. Well, let's move on to
Speaker 1: some general kind of health questions. So you do online
Speaker 1: coaching training and nutrition where you go through with clients
Speaker 1: and help that. So let's kind of talk about some
Speaker 1: general questions and people may not even know. So, for example,
Speaker 1: you talk a lot about macro nutrients. So what are
Speaker 1: the three and why are they so important that we
Speaker 1: get all them?
Speaker 2: Okay, So with nutrients, you've got macro nutrients and macronutrients.
Speaker 2: So your macronutrients are the big ones, and that's why
Speaker 2: they're called macros. So you've got your protein, fats, and carbohydrates.
Speaker 2: So within any food that you have, whether it be
Speaker 2: for example, bread, you will have the macronutrients making up
Speaker 2: that those calories, and it is broken into protein, fats,
Speaker 2: and carbs. So when you're talking about obviously lean meats
Speaker 2: and stuff, they have predominantly protein in them, but they
Speaker 2: might have trace fats or trace carbs depending on what
Speaker 2: you get. So every food is really broken down to
Speaker 2: your protein, fats, and carbs, and that's just a source
Speaker 2: of energy. So your macro nutrients actually make up your calories.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people get confused with
Speaker 2: what's more important, calories or macros and calories. Macros are
Speaker 2: calories because they actually equal calories. So for carbs, one
Speaker 2: gram is four calories, and same for proteins, So proteins
Speaker 2: and carbs one grams equals four calories, and four fat
Speaker 2: it is nine calories.
Speaker 1: Program Okay, awesome, So now we've got some more info
Speaker 1: on macronutrients, and so what is your thoughts on kind
Speaker 1: of the ideas around you know, restricting a certain one
Speaker 1: or you know the low carb or the low fat
Speaker 1: or the high fat and that sort of thing. What's
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I think with that, it's again it's personal preference what
Speaker 2: people feel best on. As long as you are getting
Speaker 2: the minimum requirements that your body needs for each macronutrient,
Speaker 2: which there is a minimum requirement for those. Then whether
Speaker 2: you prefer having a higher fat diet or a lower
Speaker 2: fat diet, then that depends on the individual. Everyone's completely different.
Speaker 2: For me, I prefer a higher carb, lower fat diet.
Speaker 2: My body doesn't really digest or deal with fats very well.
Speaker 2: I really don't feel good when I eat high fats
Speaker 2: at all. But then I have a lot of clients
Speaker 2: and I know, like yourself, like you do feel feel
Speaker 2: really good eating a higher fat diet. But it is
Speaker 2: tricky because this is where media kind of comes in.
Speaker 2: I want people to be choosing that method of eating
Speaker 2: because they genuinely feel better, not because they've heard low
Speaker 2: carb is best, because again that comes down to fat diets.
Speaker 1: So you don't tell your clients to go on a
Speaker 1: certain diet. What is your approach with nutrition?
Speaker 2: Generally, when a client comes through, I actually have a
Speaker 2: really long screening test, so I ask a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of questions. These things might be I ask literally what
Speaker 2: they like to eat, what they each eat each day,
Speaker 2: what they feel best on if they know a lot
Speaker 2: of clients actually don't know what they do feel best on.
Speaker 2: And we work together to figure it out. But generally,
Speaker 2: what I like to start people on is an isochloric diet,
Speaker 2: which just means a balanced diet, so it means balancing
Speaker 2: your proteins, fats, and carbs, and then if they feel
Speaker 2: any particular way, if they feel sluggish, we can make
Speaker 2: it chain from there. Because again, even when you do
Speaker 2: ask that question with majority of people, they automatically say, oh,
Speaker 2: I know carbs are bad, so I'll go low carb,
Speaker 2: which isn't really the answer I'm wanting. Because I will
Speaker 2: always set my client's minimum requirements per macro nutrient. So,
Speaker 2: for example, fats are really good for your sex hormones
Speaker 2: and for keeping your hormones healthy, especially females. So when
Speaker 2: I'm setting your macros, I will always set the base
Speaker 2: fats and you shouldn't go below that. And then I
Speaker 2: always tell my clients as long as they're hitting their
Speaker 2: protein and their calories the way that they split their
Speaker 2: fats and carbs, I don't really care too much. It's
Speaker 2: personal preference, whatever they feel best on, as long as
Speaker 2: they're not going below those minimum requirements, which is where
Speaker 2: you would have hormonal health issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you you do macro counting and carry
Speaker 1: counting with your clients. Is that something that you want
Speaker 1: your clients to do for the rest of their lives
Speaker 1: or is this almost like educating them so they actually
Speaker 1: know how to fuel their body?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not at all. I don't think that anyone
Speaker 2: should have to macro account or calor account for the
Speaker 2: rest of their lives. And what I really think is
Speaker 2: everyone for how long they should be doing it. It's
Speaker 2: going to be different, but I do believe that everyone
Speaker 2: should do it at least for even if it's only
Speaker 2: for a few weeks, and depending again on where they're
Speaker 2: at and where they want to be or need to
Speaker 2: be with their health, because some clients might only need
Speaker 2: to do it for two weeks. Recognize where they're low
Speaker 2: in certain macro nutrients, say it's protein, which is common
Speaker 2: for most females, and then just be more mindful of
Speaker 2: eating more protein or then through their routine will realize
Speaker 2: that Okay, so if I have a protein source for breakfast, lunch, dinner,
Speaker 2: and one snack, then I will pretty much hit my
Speaker 2: protein requirement, so then they don't need to track further
Speaker 2: down the line. But for other people, obviously it's just
Speaker 2: going to depend how long they need to. But I
Speaker 2: definitely don't think that you should be. And if you're
Speaker 2: already in a good place, you're happy with where you're at,
Speaker 2: you're healthy. I don't think you need.
Speaker 1: To at all, But depends on the person.
Speaker 2: It depends on the person. And I do think it
Speaker 2: teaches you a lot about what you're actually putting into
Speaker 2: your body.
Speaker 1: Well, exactly what you said about when you get that
Speaker 1: education on no carbs are not bad and taking the
Speaker 1: sort of power away from all the mainstream diets and
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff and doing it in regards to
Speaker 1: what actually feels good for your body. How do your
Speaker 1: energies feel, How do you know all those sorts of
Speaker 1: things feel, which you do need to do through experiments.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that's what people, even my clients
Speaker 2: when they first start with me, they don't understand because
Speaker 2: they're always like which diet is best and none Like
Speaker 2: the answer is, none of them are best, none of
Speaker 2: them are superior. And that's why I work with Custom
Speaker 2: Coaching and we work very closely to get and we
Speaker 2: even like do phone calls and stuff because everyone's so different,
Speaker 2: there's not a one size fits all.
Speaker 1: And do you kind of agree that it's definitely what
Speaker 1: can you maintain in regards to your lifestyle and what
Speaker 1: your your personal preference is for you know, a long
Speaker 1: amount of time rather than what is the quick.
Speaker 2: Fix exactly one hundred, Because if you gain something really easily,
Speaker 2: you're going to lose it really easily as well, or
Speaker 2: it's going to be very hard to maintain. And I
Speaker 2: think that people need to just telling people what they
Speaker 2: should do. I think it's very hard because I've been
Speaker 2: stuck in this as well. But I think they need
Speaker 2: to realize that you don't have to be your leaner
Speaker 2: self all the time, and it's okay to kind of
Speaker 2: substitute for being your leaner self to holding a bit
Speaker 2: more body fat but having a healthier lifestyle. And by
Speaker 2: that I mean having more social life, having a better
Speaker 2: relationship with like family and friends. So yes, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit of give and take. But I think people
Speaker 2: think that they're going to be happy when they're leaness
Speaker 2: but don't realize that it's almost impossible to stay really
Speaker 2: really really lean and not have some sort of fallout
Speaker 2: in other aspects of their life.
Speaker 1: I love that you touch on that, like really kind
Speaker 1: of disassociating from this idea that lean means healthy, which
Speaker 1: we know now like, well, like you're saying, is not
Speaker 1: the case. In most cases can sometimes be the opposite
Speaker 1: and realizing and especially if you're not doing a fitness
Speaker 1: comp and you're just you know, an everyday person. You
Speaker 1: want to feel good, you want to move your body.
Speaker 1: Maybe you do want to change your body, which is
Speaker 1: totally fine, but making sure you're doing it in a way
Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything to your health and is actually
Speaker 1: sustainable and that you actually like so you can still
Speaker 1: see your friends do stuff with your partner.
Speaker 2: So that's how I view it, because people always ask
Speaker 2: me that question. They're like, well, how do you How
Speaker 2: are you mentally okay with how you look? Knowing that
Speaker 2: you're sitting a few kilos up from stage, you know,
Speaker 2: like you can see all your muscle definition when you
Speaker 2: are that lean. And it's really that everything has a
Speaker 2: trade off, and for me to be that lean, my
Speaker 2: trade off is my social life and my life, like
Speaker 2: my life in general, and I don't want it to
Speaker 2: consume me. And I think some people do get stuck
Speaker 2: in that even after camp or just in everyday life,
Speaker 2: and that's when their social life and relationships and and
Speaker 2: their health can really deteriorate because they're not they're making
Speaker 2: kind of the wrong trade offs because they can't wrap
Speaker 2: their head around the fact that they can't have both
Speaker 2: have it all, which we do all we try.
Speaker 1: To have it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, but like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: I think also though that around that is like detaching
Speaker 1: from the idea that your looks like I feel like
Speaker 1: when you're at that stage, you're almost you'll look had
Speaker 1: become such a priority that it's like, I think you
Speaker 1: almost need to step back and be like, hey, how
Speaker 1: much is this actually impacting my life in a negative
Speaker 1: way for something that is very you know, superficial if
Speaker 1: that makes it almost like priorities. And I love what
Speaker 1: you kind of said about the trade offs because recently,
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen, for most of it, I was extremely
Speaker 1: busy and very business focused, and so my health definitely
Speaker 1: took a back seat. I like, actual how I looked
Speaker 1: wise wasn't that much different. But I could feel in
Speaker 1: myself like I wasn't prioritizing my health and I could
Speaker 1: definitely like feel it in my body.
Speaker 2: And I was.
Speaker 1: So okay with that because I achieved so much my business,
Speaker 1: and it like that trade off. It was so necessarily
Speaker 1: to propel me to where I am now. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it was all or nothing, like I'm still
Speaker 1: going to give my body. It just wasn't at the
Speaker 1: standard I usually prefer. And I was so happy to
Speaker 1: do that because it propelled me what I needed to
Speaker 1: do and I'm so proud of all that I accomplished.
Speaker 1: Was now I'm going through a season where I will
Speaker 1: stop work was before I wouldn't, and I will go
Speaker 1: for the walk and prioritize my health. And I'm feeling
Speaker 1: a lot more myself, and I'm okay with things being
Speaker 1: a bit slower in business, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's again it's a trade off and it's
Speaker 2: not just it works always. So your trade off was
Speaker 2: obviously your health for the business, and you were okay
Speaker 2: with that because you saw it being you know, it
Speaker 2: was going to be a six month thing where you
Speaker 2: needed to work really hard, and you knew that that
Speaker 2: was superority and it's the same with comprep, it's the
Speaker 2: exact same. So that's your you know, that's your main focus,
Speaker 2: and your trade off is you know, you can't go
Speaker 2: out drinking on the weekends, but you know it's for
Speaker 2: a period of time, and that's why there is phases
Speaker 2: and seasons and stuff like that as well. But everything
Speaker 2: in life has a trade off, and that's what it
Speaker 2: comes down to is finding balance. And I don't think
Speaker 2: you'll ever fully be balanced if you have a goal,
Speaker 2: because you want.
Speaker 1: To prioritize goal.
Speaker 2: You want to prioritize that one goal obviously. So yeah,
Speaker 2: everything comes back to trade offs and accepting that and
Speaker 2: also you know, putting in the effort to equal that
Speaker 2: priority as well.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Well, let's finish on one last question and this
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this on you. So what advice
Speaker 1: would you give to someone who was very new to
Speaker 1: the health and fitness industry. They want to maybe start
Speaker 1: weight training, and you know, they want to start looking
Speaker 1: at what they eat, but their goal is very balanced.
Speaker 1: It's not their whole entire life, they have a career,
Speaker 1: they just kind of want to they're definitely just like
Speaker 1: a new gym goer. What advice would you give that person?
Speaker 2: I would say baby steps. I would never say like
Speaker 2: all or nothing and go. You wouldn't want to start
Speaker 2: weight training and getting into the gym and going to
Speaker 2: the extremity, like start small, and this is what I
Speaker 2: do do with clients. I have clients who have never
Speaker 2: weight trained before, and we will start with the bare
Speaker 2: minimum because you want to you know, be able to
Speaker 2: really have that flexibility. And the way that our bodies
Speaker 2: adapt is that as you get fitter and fitter, and
Speaker 2: the longer that you do something, your body adapts and
Speaker 2: becomes better and better at adapting to that. So what
Speaker 2: that means in terms of health and fitness is eventually,
Speaker 2: if you start with three days or two days, it's
Speaker 2: going to go to four days, and then five days
Speaker 2: and then six days. To be able to get the same,
Speaker 2: if not more results, or to gain more strength or fitness,
Speaker 2: you always have to be progressing. So for someone starting out,
Speaker 2: I would say to just start small and make sure
Speaker 2: you get self a good coach, get educated, and make
Speaker 2: sure that you are you know, doing things correct, especially
Speaker 2: in terms of like technique and everything from the beginning,
Speaker 2: so that you don't create any like negative habits and
Speaker 2: stuff as well. So I think it would just be yeah,
Speaker 2: starting small and working your way through. Don't go from.
Speaker 1: Zero to one hundred, don't go all or nothing.
Speaker 2: Don't play all your cards at once. That's what I
Speaker 2: like to say. You want to start small and then
Speaker 2: slowly progress into it, because you will go one hundred
Speaker 2: percent and then you'll fall off track. And it's just
Speaker 2: starting that cycle from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, And another thing I just want to add
Speaker 1: also is like be kind to yourself in this process
Speaker 1: because likely you said there's seasons you go through staff
Speaker 1: like you're a human being. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: this new thing and it's perfect or anything like that
Speaker 1: to get such a enjoy it ernie.
Speaker 2: Which is a journey. But yeah, enjoy it and you know,
Speaker 2: have fun with it as well. It's meant to add
Speaker 2: to your life. This is what I always say. Fitness
Speaker 2: and health is meant to add to your life your life,
Speaker 2: not detract from it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's like I love that you said that actually,
Speaker 1: And that's like choosing ways of movement that you actually like,
Speaker 1: Like don't just do weight training because other people are
Speaker 1: doing it, or don't just do yoga because other people do. See,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying like if you want to do
Speaker 2: swimming or if you want to go play sport, because
Speaker 2: like you're social as well, Like Ray. I'm not one
Speaker 2: of these people that's like, no, this day is no Ray.
Speaker 1: Definitely what brings you joy and that, like you said,
Speaker 1: eating is exact same as well.
Speaker 2: Well, your mental health is so important and if you're
Speaker 2: not enjoying it.
Speaker 1: It's what's the point the point point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, and you'll probably go through seasons of
Speaker 2: wanting to change what type of training.
Speaker 1: You want to do.
Speaker 2: I do that as well. So yeah, there's no wrong
Speaker 2: or right, just you know, just make sure that you're
Speaker 2: enjoying it and be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1: I love that. And so the very last question just
Speaker 1: keep me going, why you lie? So what I ask
Speaker 1: everyone is what inspires and motivates you? Oh it's a goody.
Speaker 2: I know. Everyone always asks me about motivation, and it's
Speaker 2: always everyone and says such different answers.
Speaker 1: That's why I ask it.
Speaker 2: Motivation is such a fickle thing. Motivation, motivating, Motivation is
Speaker 2: such a hard thing for me. It's definitely my goals.
Speaker 2: I always have to recheck back into my why behind
Speaker 2: why I want to achieve a certain goal. That's what
Speaker 2: motivates me. And then when I'm lacking that motivation, I
Speaker 2: will sit there and be like Okay, why did you
Speaker 2: even want to do this? It's because I have this goal? Okay,
Speaker 2: but why do you have this goal? And if my
Speaker 2: why isn't good enough? Honestly, there is times where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't do it, so I think that
Speaker 2: that's another thing. But for me, motivation comes from within.
Speaker 2: I'm someone who wants to continuously be bettering myself and
Speaker 2: striving for progression. I would hate to look back in
Speaker 2: six months or a year and be the same person
Speaker 2: that I was back then. So it's really an inner
Speaker 2: thing for me motivation, and it's really looking at my
Speaker 2: why on why I want to achieve things in my life.
Speaker 1: Love that. Thank you so much for being on the show. Mikhayla.
Speaker 1: We're sitting in her spare room on the floor. I
Speaker 1: wish people could shoot right now. I'll go and have
Speaker 1: some dinner because I'm starving.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh gods.
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