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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: for women who want to take ownership of their lives,

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Speaker 1: live unapologetically, and are ready to turn their biggest dreams

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Speaker 1: into their reality. If you're ready to be armed with

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Speaker 1: the tools that will inspire to take bold action, feel

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Speaker 1: confident within yourself, and conquer your goals, then you've come

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Speaker 1: to the right place. I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm

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Speaker 1: a lawyer turned entrepreneur, co founder of Naked Harvest Supplements,

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Speaker 1: and social media personality with a community of over three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand. I grew up believing I had to pursue

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Speaker 1: the safe option and fit into a mold others had

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Speaker 1: created for me. But then I entered my corporate law

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Speaker 1: job and I realized that settling for a reality that

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Speaker 1: I was not prepared to do. I wanted more, and

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling you do too. Join me and

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Speaker 1: special guests weekly as we get down to the nitty

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Speaker 1: gritty on all things health, mastering your mindset, creating lasting habits,

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Speaker 1: thriving in your career and relationships, plus so much more,

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Speaker 1: and together we'll gain the knowledge and perspective to pursue

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Speaker 1: our wildest dreams and kick fear to the curb. Well,

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Speaker 1: what are you waiting for? Let's rise and conquer. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Rise and Conquer podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I am bringing you a chat with the WBFF bikini

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Speaker 1: pro and one of my closest girlfriends, Micky Parker. I've

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Speaker 1: known Mickey since high school and we weren't exactly close

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Speaker 1: friends in high school, but we actually start sard renting

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Speaker 1: an apartment together when we're around nineteen and became the

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Speaker 1: most closest sister gal pals. She is just such an

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Speaker 1: amazing overall human. She has so much knowledge on health

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Speaker 1: couple of bikini titles, and we have a really amazing

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Speaker 1: chat about lots of things. Micky, much like me, went

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Speaker 1: she became a qualified PT and started to do bikini

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Speaker 1: body competitions and has really found a balanced lifestyle and

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Speaker 1: now coaches other women to feel really good in their

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Speaker 1: our conversation, we get down to what made Mickey want

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Speaker 1: clears up a lot of miscommunications surrounding them and also

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Speaker 1: shares so many good tips on nutrition and fitness, plus

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Speaker 1: so much more. This is such a fun recording. You

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Speaker 1: can tell we were having a really fun time. We

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Speaker 1: the show. Welcome to the show. Mikayla. You hate when

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Speaker 1: I qure you.

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Speaker 2: Because I stop looking into my eyes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I'll set the scene. So I've been staying

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Speaker 1: at Mickey's house. I'm down down in Sydney, Yes, down

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Speaker 1: in Sydney and recording some podcasts saying with Mick, and

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Speaker 1: it's been good because I hate being away and being

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Speaker 1: out of routine. But because Mick and me have lived

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Speaker 2: It's great. It does just feel natural, though, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: Brings back to men. So we are getting into a

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Speaker 1: very exciting conversation. This will just be like us talking shit,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably won't be the most professional podcast you've ever.

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Speaker 1: Heard in any like sort of og followers, you remember

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Speaker 1: me and Mickey's content, like, this is what it's like.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited though, because it's a different sort.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm definitely still in a very busy season. At

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Speaker 2: At the moment, my main focus is really my health

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Speaker 1: Who is Mickey Parker?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll start back when I guess we met,

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Speaker 2: we lived together back in Brisbane. I am originally from Brisbane,

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Speaker 2: probably about four or five years ago, and back then

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Speaker 2: So we all lived together back then, and I was

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Speaker 2: that I once found myself really stuck in that binge

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Speaker 2: I was like, what binge restrict cycle?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so well let's actually start there. So what would

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Speaker 1: And you were almost praised if you could do any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I remember, I was actually thinking back to

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Speaker 2: Just I used to try and like restrict things over

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Speaker 1: Do you hate chocolate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it always comes down to the good and

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Speaker 2: So I have done a complete one point eighty. So

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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry to butt in. I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I obviously know that you were never diagnosed or anything

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Speaker 2: I did have that moment and yes, my mindset and

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, So I really wanted to do a fitness

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Speaker 3: I remembering four years before you did it, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And So for those who don't really kind of know

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Speaker 2: but the preparations, Yeah, there's a lot of science behind it,

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Speaker 1: M and so you have a coach that goes through

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Speaker 2: So my coach now is coach Mark Carroll on ig

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Speaker 2: shameless plug at Mark Carroll. Yeah, so he I found

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Speaker 2: to show like different, You'll have a different prep experience

439
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Speaker 2: every time.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk us through because I remember you telling

441
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Speaker 1: me about that. Can you talk us through your first

442
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 1: compprep experience and what was different?

443
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Speaker 2: Okay, so my first comprep experience was with the ICN.

444
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: So they like a very very lean physique. Naturally I

445
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: am quite lean, so I was like, okay, this does

446
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: suit my body type and ability. So it was just

447
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: very different. The coaching style, you know, each to their own.

448
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: And this is why it's so important to find a

449
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: coach that you share the same methods with and the

450
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: same mortality with, because this coach and not saying anything bad,

451
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: but she didn't believe in macro's or calories or anything.

452
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: She put me on a meal plan, which, again for

453
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Speaker 2: my first comp experience with my background, I had one

454
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Speaker 2: meal plan and I had to eat the exact same

455
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: foods for the whole yeah, about six months as well,

456
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Speaker 2: and we started with her on two thousand calorie end.

457
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Speaker 2: By the end of it, I don't even want to

458
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: say so, we just kept taking away calories or she

459
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: was just taking away food out of my meal plan.

460
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Speaker 2: And the last I remember Peak week do not recommend

461
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: this at all, but I actually calculated my macros and

462
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: it was something like eight hundred.

463
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Speaker 1: Calories for that way to go.

464
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Speaker 2: So that was very tricky for me coming out of

465
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: that because that was my first experience, and I had

466
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: always said I was like, oh, I don't know if

467
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Speaker 2: I'll ever compete again, because it wasn't It's funny because

468
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: I actually won my show, I won all my divisions. Yeah,

469
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: but for me the experience, I value my health, as

470
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: you know, very highly obviously, and I just felt like,

471
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: you know, there was better ways to do it, and

472
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Speaker 2: I always said to myself, I would not compete again until,

473
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Speaker 2: you know, I felt like there was a plan in

474
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Speaker 2: place where we could do it much better. And then

475
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: that's where Mark came in. So I didn't compete again

476
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Speaker 2: for another year and a half. And I think that

477
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: is important to not continuously be competing and give yourself

478
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: that time to recover, Like it took me eight months

479
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: at least for my immune system and my hormones and

480
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: stuff to recover from that prep at least eight to

481
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: twelve months.

482
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: So yea, well, let's actually talk about that though. So

483
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: do you think competing is for everyone?

484
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: Like?

485
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: Is there certain people that competing is not for?

486
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to limit it at all, but

487
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: I think when deciding to go for a competition, you

488
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: just need to be sure of your why. Because it

489
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: is an extreme spot. It's not I think it is

490
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: taken a little bit too lightly sometimes because people don't

491
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 2: realize the extremities of the dieting and what that can

492
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: actually do later down the track, especially if you don't

493
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: do it. You know that right, And some people really

494
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: do have to grind and really have to get their

495
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: calories really low. It's very difficult to come out of,

496
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: not only for your mindset, how you view your body.

497
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Then you know your relationship with your body, but your

498
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: relationship with food. And I really experienced this after that

499
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: first prep, Like I really felt like I relapsed back

500
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: because I was, you know, had like body to small

501
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: for your again because I was that lean. And I

502
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: remember taking photos and I was like, I'm not even lean.

503
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: If I could insert the photo right now, guys, I

504
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: looked so creepily lean. That's how much you know.

505
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost fed back in.

506
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you just have to I think people to

507
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: be just don't take it lightly when deciding to do

508
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: a competition. Make sure you're doing it for the right reasons,

509
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Like if you already have a bad relationship with food currently,

510
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: like don't don't even think about it's not going to help.

511
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: If you're also doing it to like lose a bunch

512
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: of like weight, I just I don't think it's the

513
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: best way. I think it's really important to make sure

514
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: that you've been training and weight training for a long time,

515
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: you have a really good starting position with where your

516
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: calories are out, you're not underreading already, you haven't been

517
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: underreading recently, and just make sure that your why is

518
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: important enough, Like I'm not saying it's not for everyone.

519
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: But it's just well, I think people just need to

520
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: think about it, that's all.

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Speaker 1: I love what you said about I think sometimes especially

522
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: on social media, you know, you see these girls and

523
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: they're prepping, and it's almost sometimes you forget that that's

524
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: actually a sport. Like you trained for it, you compete

525
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: in it, there's awards, there's prizes, everything like that, and

526
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people do forget that it's in a

527
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: sport and it's an also extreme sport because like you said,

528
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Speaker 1: there can be huge healthi ish issues. So it's just

529
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: being aware of it.

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Speaker 2: It's just being aware and making sure that you have

531
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Speaker 2: a good coach and a good approach. Really right, didn't

532
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: mean to rhyme, I know, I just looked at you.

533
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was good. No, So I think

534
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: that is really important and to understand, Yeah, just the

535
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: implications as well, and not implications.

536
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Speaker 1: That's not bad.

537
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: But you need to think about the long term and

538
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: your exit strategy, like your plan after yeah, because that's

539
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: where people get stuck.

540
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Speaker 1: Well, for example, I think to put it into perspective,

541
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: so you know, we lived together four or five years ago,

542
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and at that time that was kind of a very

543
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: disordered eating disordered habits and all that sort of time.

544
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: And only just in the last couple of years do

545
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I've even recovered from that. And I

546
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, like my hormones went through this like red,

547
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Like it took so long for me to get to

548
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: a stable weight where I wasn't yo yo, when where

549
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't binging, and where I didn't have like these

550
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: constant thoughts that consumed me and like I was like

551
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: just doing it for fun and it wasn't even as

552
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: extreme as someone who does it well, not all, but

553
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like competing, So I think

554
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: sometimes people don't realize that, yeah you can, you can compete,

555
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: and you can look really good, but it like might

556
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: be literally like years after that. You're then trying to

557
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: get back to normal.

558
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: And there's been studies on like people's metabolic rates and

559
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: their hormones and it takes time for it to recover.

560
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Like and you've done that so well. I love how

561
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: you did your first comp and you did weight and

562
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: then you did you can tell even like you guys

563
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: will have seen photos of Mickey or makes you go

564
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: check check her out, check that butt out, but you

565
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: can shame us, But you can really see such a

566
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: difference from your progression and even your body now you've

567
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: put on so much more weight. You've really like you've

568
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: built that progression up in a way that has been

569
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: very disciplined. But over this long period of time, it

570
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: hasn't been this quick thing that has happened.

571
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it just it just comes down to learning,

572
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: and I feel like you learn something from each prep

573
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: but coming back to the whole disciplined thing and people

574
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: kind of rebounding. I think the other misconception with competing

575
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: is they think that if they fail or if they rebound,

576
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: that's a lack of discipline. But what they don't realize

577
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: is you're it's like what we said, it's an extreme sport.

578
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: And literally your human physiology, like your hormones, there's so

579
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: many things fighting that like years of ever survival. Ah, yeah,

580
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: like survival, Like your body does not want you to

581
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: starve to death.

582
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't want you to be that lean.

583
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: No, it does not want you to be that lean.

584
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: And the thing is, once you kind of start really

585
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: pushing it, it wants to rebound the other way twice

586
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: as hard. And there's been countless studies on this, and

587
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: that's why it really for me as well, is important

588
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: to not compete too soon together, like what we were

589
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: talking about, to really make sure that I've recovered again

590
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: and I'm in a good place before I put my

591
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: body through that stress again, because otherwise, if you're constantly

592
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: doing compreps, I feel like you're really just yoyo dieter

593
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: and you're even promoting that, so which I feel like

594
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: that's probably going to upset a lot of people who

595
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: do compete often. But that's that's my honest opinion because

596
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: some of these people, even pros in all different federations,

597
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: Like I know, their maintenance and their calories and their

598
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: metabolic rate is really low, and that's from constantly dieting.

599
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Never refeeding let their body rebuild because.

600
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: They're always cutting down for the photoshoots or for the

601
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: for the event or for you know. So it is

602
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: an extreme sport and it's just you just need to

603
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: know what's actually going on inside the body.

604
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Well, the here's an interesting question, and I'm going to

605
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: be bold, do you think there are people in that

606
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: industry that they've definitely got disordered eating and they kind

607
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: of use the competition to almost hide it.

608
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: Oh probably.

609
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I know? I was like,

610
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: how do I say? I don't want you to name

611
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: names or anything, but how do I say this? You

612
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: could imagine that happening, of course.

613
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: And like I was one of them in my first competition,

614
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Everyone was praising me.

615
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: Again I won my comp I went to nationals.

616
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: That you feel second, do you know what I mean?

617
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: And it's so easy to get fall back into back

618
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: up into that and then because you know it is

619
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: these people's profession and it is their life, then yeah,

620
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: of course, but yeah, that's pretty much. So it is hard.

621
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel like over the

622
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: years I see things heading more and more towards the

623
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: right direction. Yes, so it's definitely been I just see

624
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: it progressing in a better way.

625
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: So which is why it's so important to make sure

626
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: you have the right coach, to make sure you're doing

627
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons and have that background of

628
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, you've been weight training for years and that

629
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: sort of body base.

630
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: I think it is base base, but I think it

631
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: is a bit. I just don't know if it's always

632
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: the best. If you know, someone starts in the gym

633
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: and their first goal in the first few months is

634
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: to do a competition. And I think it really is

635
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: important to you know, progress through the gym, get good

636
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: at the movements and everything, movement pas time, give yourself time,

637
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: and then when you feel like you're in a really

638
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: good place and you want to challenge yourself and if

639
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: you want to do it, then then I think one

640
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: thousand percent, go for it. It sounds like I'm saying

641
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: don't compete.

642
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: No, but I think it's I think it's important that

643
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: people are aware of this because I feel like there

644
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: was definitely a trend where just everyone was doing it,

645
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: and it's like, not till now that everyone has.

646
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: Realized struggled a little bit because I felt like even

647
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: I was, you know, competitors. We glamorize it. We wear

648
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: these beautiful bikinis, like all sparkly, you know, have the

649
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: full glam on.

650
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: The stripper hills, yeah, the stripper heels. Post My favorite part,

651
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: all the videos.

652
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Of us being like that lean you know, because yeah.

653
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: But that's but that's why I love your account and

654
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you're one of the few people I follow who do

655
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: finish accounts of best friends but follow you bit you do,

656
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Speaker 1: like you post photos and you're like, this is what

657
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Speaker 1: it looks like, Like this is literally me on one

658
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Speaker 1: week of the comprest and then you post photos of

659
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Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when I'm refeeding, and

660
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Speaker 1: you post the whole journey, not just the highlights. I

661
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Speaker 1: think that's important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important because people just see on show day

663
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Speaker 2: and they see how lean you are and they think

664
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Speaker 2: that that's maintainable, and it's not. That's the whole thing

665
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: of peak week, like we do. You know that whole

666
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Speaker 2: six month prep for that one day, and then the

667
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Speaker 2: next day you probably don't look like that already. So

668
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Speaker 2: I think that's another misconception that you know you can

669
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: hold stage leanness or you will look that way. It's

670
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: it's just impossible. I don't know anyone who's held their

671
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: stage leiness. It's not healthy and you should and you shouldn't. Yeah,

672
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Speaker 2: So I think that's just something as well, And that

673
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Speaker 2: is something like what I was saying. I've struggled with

674
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Speaker 2: a little bit on social media because I feel like

675
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: I have been part of the problem with glamorizing it

676
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: as well. So that's why I do try and be

677
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Speaker 2: as open as possible and not really negative. But in

678
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Speaker 2: those last weeks when I feel shit, be like I

679
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: feel shit because I'm not eating much and you should

680
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: probably eat more than it. Yeah, So just being transparent,

681
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Speaker 2: and I just really like to share on my page

682
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: exactly where I'm at, exactly what I'm eating, Not telling

683
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: anyone to do the same, but just to keep it

684
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Speaker 2: open and to show people exactly what I'm doing as well.

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Speaker 1: get straight back into the episode. Let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about kind of the mindset and mind shift of

716
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Speaker 1: when you are on comprep and then when you're in

717
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Speaker 1: your off season leg Is there something where you have

718
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Speaker 1: to really kind of shift out a certain mindsets or

719
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Speaker 1: any advice in that regards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I for me, definitely, off season is a

721
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Speaker 2: more relaxed lifestyle. I have my calories so high, so

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Speaker 2: nothing not that anything is off limits, but nothing's limits

723
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Speaker 2: in the sense of social events and obviously food and

724
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: that type of thing as well. And you can just

725
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Speaker 2: have more flexibility, like even down to the mindset of

726
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Speaker 2: sleep and the ways that you spend your time. In

727
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Speaker 2: off season, I feel like there's more flexibility because it's

728
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Speaker 2: not as soon. But obviously when you're in prep and

729
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Speaker 2: even being you know, twenty weeks out versus eight weeks out,

730
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Speaker 2: like there's a very different mindset and you do get

731
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Speaker 2: to a point where you're like, all right, you're stepping

732
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Speaker 2: on that stage in ten weeks, Like, come on, you

733
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Speaker 2: have to be disciplined. Now. This is where like everything counts.

734
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Speaker 2: Like if you're not getting enough sleep of a night time,

735
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Speaker 2: that's going to affect your performance and then you're gonna

736
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Speaker 2: feel shit and you're gonna want to overeat. So there's

737
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Speaker 2: just a lot of mind shifts, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: you actually go through them as you get closer to

739
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Speaker 2: stepping on stage. Especially when you're in that prep zone,

740
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Speaker 2: you need to really think about who and what you're

741
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Speaker 2: giving your energy to, because as you do start cutting

742
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Speaker 2: calories and you get closer and closer to that time,

743
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Speaker 2: you get really busy as well, because not only are

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Speaker 2: you prepping, you've got an hour of posing, You're trying

745
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Speaker 2: to organize like where you're staying, and you're a bikini

746
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Speaker 2: and everything. I feel like it's just so time consuming.

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Speaker 2: It's literally like a part time job. It's like twenty

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Speaker 2: five hours ago.

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Speaker 1: That's what's something I found quite astonishing. And this is

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Speaker 1: what I mean by people almost need to take up

751
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Speaker 1: more seriously. As we were chatting and you're like, it's

752
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Speaker 1: literally like having another full time job for like twenty

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Speaker 1: weeks or how we long of the long you do

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Speaker 1: your prep because of all the preparaction, I guess that's

755
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Speaker 1: why they call it prep, even the stuff like making

756
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Speaker 1: your food and making sure you get that gym session.

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Speaker 1: I remember all that.

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Speaker 2: Just a few weeks, my sessions were taking like an

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Speaker 2: hour and a half and then making sure that I

760
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Speaker 2: was getting my steps in cardio was like another hour,

761
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Speaker 2: and then posing was like another half an hour. Food

762
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Speaker 2: press so I was doing like at least four very

763
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Speaker 2: serious a day of prep.

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Speaker 1: Athletes so it's just it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, and that's what I struggled with the

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Speaker 2: most was managing my time with running a business and

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Speaker 2: everything as well. So for me, the mindset shifts getting

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Speaker 2: back to that is definitely as you get closer and

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Speaker 2: just it's more prioritizing what's really important to getting you

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Speaker 2: to that goal. And at the end of it, you

771
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Speaker 2: do have to be a little bit selfish on where

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Speaker 2: you do distribute your time and energy.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent love that. Well, let's move on to

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Speaker 1: some general kind of health questions. So you do online

775
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Speaker 1: coaching training and nutrition where you go through with clients

776
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Speaker 1: and help that. So let's kind of talk about some

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Speaker 1: general questions and people may not even know. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: you talk a lot about macro nutrients. So what are

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Speaker 1: the three and why are they so important that we

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Speaker 1: get all them?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So with nutrients, you've got macro nutrients and macronutrients.

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Speaker 2: So your macronutrients are the big ones, and that's why

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Speaker 2: they're called macros. So you've got your protein, fats, and carbohydrates.

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Speaker 2: So within any food that you have, whether it be

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Speaker 2: for example, bread, you will have the macronutrients making up

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Speaker 2: that those calories, and it is broken into protein, fats,

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Speaker 2: and carbs. So when you're talking about obviously lean meats

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Speaker 2: and stuff, they have predominantly protein in them, but they

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Speaker 2: might have trace fats or trace carbs depending on what

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Speaker 2: you get. So every food is really broken down to

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Speaker 2: your protein, fats, and carbs, and that's just a source

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Speaker 2: of energy. So your macro nutrients actually make up your calories.

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people get confused with

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Speaker 2: what's more important, calories or macros and calories. Macros are

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Speaker 2: calories because they actually equal calories. So for carbs, one

796
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Speaker 2: gram is four calories, and same for proteins, So proteins

797
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Speaker 2: and carbs one grams equals four calories, and four fat

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Speaker 2: it is nine calories.

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Speaker 1: Program Okay, awesome, So now we've got some more info

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Speaker 1: on macronutrients, and so what is your thoughts on kind

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Speaker 1: of the ideas around you know, restricting a certain one

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Speaker 1: or you know the low carb or the low fat

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Speaker 1: or the high fat and that sort of thing. What's

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: I think with that, it's again it's personal preference what

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Speaker 2: people feel best on. As long as you are getting

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Speaker 2: the minimum requirements that your body needs for each macronutrient,

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Speaker 2: which there is a minimum requirement for those. Then whether

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Speaker 2: you prefer having a higher fat diet or a lower

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Speaker 2: fat diet, then that depends on the individual. Everyone's completely different.

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Speaker 2: For me, I prefer a higher carb, lower fat diet.

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Speaker 2: My body doesn't really digest or deal with fats very well.

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Speaker 2: I really don't feel good when I eat high fats

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Speaker 2: at all. But then I have a lot of clients

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Speaker 2: and I know, like yourself, like you do feel feel

816
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Speaker 2: really good eating a higher fat diet. But it is

817
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Speaker 2: tricky because this is where media kind of comes in.

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Speaker 2: I want people to be choosing that method of eating

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Speaker 2: because they genuinely feel better, not because they've heard low

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Speaker 2: carb is best, because again that comes down to fat diets.

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Speaker 1: So you don't tell your clients to go on a

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Speaker 1: certain diet. What is your approach with nutrition?

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Speaker 2: Generally, when a client comes through, I actually have a

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Speaker 2: really long screening test, so I ask a whole bunch

825
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Speaker 2: of questions. These things might be I ask literally what

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Speaker 2: they like to eat, what they each eat each day,

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Speaker 2: what they feel best on if they know a lot

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Speaker 2: of clients actually don't know what they do feel best on.

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Speaker 2: And we work together to figure it out. But generally,

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Speaker 2: what I like to start people on is an isochloric diet,

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Speaker 2: which just means a balanced diet, so it means balancing

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Speaker 2: your proteins, fats, and carbs, and then if they feel

833
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Speaker 2: any particular way, if they feel sluggish, we can make

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Speaker 2: it chain from there. Because again, even when you do

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Speaker 2: ask that question with majority of people, they automatically say, oh,

836
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Speaker 2: I know carbs are bad, so I'll go low carb,

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Speaker 2: which isn't really the answer I'm wanting. Because I will

838
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Speaker 2: always set my client's minimum requirements per macro nutrient. So,

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Speaker 2: for example, fats are really good for your sex hormones

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Speaker 2: and for keeping your hormones healthy, especially females. So when

841
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Speaker 2: I'm setting your macros, I will always set the base

842
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Speaker 2: fats and you shouldn't go below that. And then I

843
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Speaker 2: always tell my clients as long as they're hitting their

844
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Speaker 2: protein and their calories the way that they split their

845
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Speaker 2: fats and carbs, I don't really care too much. It's

846
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Speaker 2: personal preference, whatever they feel best on, as long as

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Speaker 2: they're not going below those minimum requirements, which is where

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Speaker 2: you would have hormonal health issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you you do macro counting and carry

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Speaker 1: counting with your clients. Is that something that you want

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: your clients to do for the rest of their lives

852
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Speaker 1: or is this almost like educating them so they actually

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Speaker 1: know how to fuel their body?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not at all. I don't think that anyone

855
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Speaker 2: should have to macro account or calor account for the

856
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Speaker 2: rest of their lives. And what I really think is

857
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Speaker 2: everyone for how long they should be doing it. It's

858
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Speaker 2: going to be different, but I do believe that everyone

859
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Speaker 2: should do it at least for even if it's only

860
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: for a few weeks, and depending again on where they're

861
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: at and where they want to be or need to

862
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: be with their health, because some clients might only need

863
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: to do it for two weeks. Recognize where they're low

864
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Speaker 2: in certain macro nutrients, say it's protein, which is common

865
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Speaker 2: for most females, and then just be more mindful of

866
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Speaker 2: eating more protein or then through their routine will realize

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Speaker 2: that Okay, so if I have a protein source for breakfast, lunch, dinner,

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Speaker 2: and one snack, then I will pretty much hit my

869
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Speaker 2: protein requirement, so then they don't need to track further

870
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: down the line. But for other people, obviously it's just

871
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: going to depend how long they need to. But I

872
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: definitely don't think that you should be. And if you're

873
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: already in a good place, you're happy with where you're at,

874
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: you're healthy. I don't think you need.

875
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: To at all, But depends on the person.

876
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: It depends on the person. And I do think it

877
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: teaches you a lot about what you're actually putting into

878
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: your body.

879
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Well, exactly what you said about when you get that

880
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: education on no carbs are not bad and taking the

881
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: sort of power away from all the mainstream diets and

882
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff and doing it in regards to

883
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: what actually feels good for your body. How do your

884
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: energies feel, How do you know all those sorts of

885
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: things feel, which you do need to do through experiments.

886
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that's what people, even my clients

887
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: when they first start with me, they don't understand because

888
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: they're always like which diet is best and none Like

889
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: the answer is, none of them are best, none of

890
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: them are superior. And that's why I work with Custom

891
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: Coaching and we work very closely to get and we

892
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: even like do phone calls and stuff because everyone's so different,

893
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: there's not a one size fits all.

894
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: And do you kind of agree that it's definitely what

895
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: can you maintain in regards to your lifestyle and what

896
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: your your personal preference is for you know, a long

897
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: amount of time rather than what is the quick.

898
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: Fix exactly one hundred, Because if you gain something really easily,

899
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: you're going to lose it really easily as well, or

900
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be very hard to maintain. And I

901
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: think that people need to just telling people what they

902
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: should do. I think it's very hard because I've been

903
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: stuck in this as well. But I think they need

904
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: to realize that you don't have to be your leaner

905
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: self all the time, and it's okay to kind of

906
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: substitute for being your leaner self to holding a bit

907
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: more body fat but having a healthier lifestyle. And by

908
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: that I mean having more social life, having a better

909
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: relationship with like family and friends. So yes, it's a

910
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: little bit of give and take. But I think people

911
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: think that they're going to be happy when they're leaness

912
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: but don't realize that it's almost impossible to stay really

913
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: really really lean and not have some sort of fallout

914
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: in other aspects of their life.

915
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: I love that you touch on that, like really kind

916
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: of disassociating from this idea that lean means healthy, which

917
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: we know now like, well, like you're saying, is not

918
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: the case. In most cases can sometimes be the opposite

919
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: and realizing and especially if you're not doing a fitness

920
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: comp and you're just you know, an everyday person. You

921
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: want to feel good, you want to move your body.

922
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you do want to change your body, which is

923
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: totally fine, but making sure you're doing it in a way

924
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything to your health and is actually

925
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: sustainable and that you actually like so you can still

926
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: see your friends do stuff with your partner.

927
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 2: So that's how I view it, because people always ask

928
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: me that question. They're like, well, how do you How

929
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: are you mentally okay with how you look? Knowing that

930
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: you're sitting a few kilos up from stage, you know,

931
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: like you can see all your muscle definition when you

932
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: are that lean. And it's really that everything has a

933
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: trade off, and for me to be that lean, my

934
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: trade off is my social life and my life, like

935
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: my life in general, and I don't want it to

936
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: consume me. And I think some people do get stuck

937
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: in that even after camp or just in everyday life,

938
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: and that's when their social life and relationships and and

939
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: their health can really deteriorate because they're not they're making

940
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 2: kind of the wrong trade offs because they can't wrap

941
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: their head around the fact that they can't have both

942
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: have it all, which we do all we try.

943
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: To have it all.

944
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand, but like it's yeah, it's.

945
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: I think also though that around that is like detaching

946
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: from the idea that your looks like I feel like

947
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: when you're at that stage, you're almost you'll look had

948
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: become such a priority that it's like, I think you

949
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: almost need to step back and be like, hey, how

950
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: much is this actually impacting my life in a negative

951
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: way for something that is very you know, superficial if

952
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: that makes it almost like priorities. And I love what

953
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: you kind of said about the trade offs because recently,

954
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen, for most of it, I was extremely

955
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: busy and very business focused, and so my health definitely

956
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: took a back seat. I like, actual how I looked

957
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: wise wasn't that much different. But I could feel in

958
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: myself like I wasn't prioritizing my health and I could

959
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: definitely like feel it in my body.

960
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: And I was.

961
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: So okay with that because I achieved so much my business,

962
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: and it like that trade off. It was so necessarily

963
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: to propel me to where I am now. And I'm

964
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: not saying it was all or nothing, like I'm still

965
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: going to give my body. It just wasn't at the

966
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: standard I usually prefer. And I was so happy to

967
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: do that because it propelled me what I needed to

968
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: do and I'm so proud of all that I accomplished.

969
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: Was now I'm going through a season where I will

970
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: stop work was before I wouldn't, and I will go

971
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: for the walk and prioritize my health. And I'm feeling

972
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: a lot more myself, and I'm okay with things being

973
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: a bit slower in business, if that makes sense.

974
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's again it's a trade off and it's

975
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: not just it works always. So your trade off was

976
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: obviously your health for the business, and you were okay

977
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: with that because you saw it being you know, it

978
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: was going to be a six month thing where you

979
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: needed to work really hard, and you knew that that

980
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: was superority and it's the same with comprep, it's the

981
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: exact same. So that's your you know, that's your main focus,

982
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: and your trade off is you know, you can't go

983
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: out drinking on the weekends, but you know it's for

984
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: a period of time, and that's why there is phases

985
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: and seasons and stuff like that as well. But everything

986
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: in life has a trade off, and that's what it

987
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: comes down to is finding balance. And I don't think

988
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 2: you'll ever fully be balanced if you have a goal,

989
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 2: because you want.

990
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 1: To prioritize goal.

991
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: You want to prioritize that one goal obviously. So yeah,

992
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: everything comes back to trade offs and accepting that and

993
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: also you know, putting in the effort to equal that

994
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: priority as well.

995
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: Perfect. Well, let's finish on one last question and this

996
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this on you. So what advice

997
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: would you give to someone who was very new to

998
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: the health and fitness industry. They want to maybe start

999
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: weight training, and you know, they want to start looking

1000
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: at what they eat, but their goal is very balanced.

1001
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: It's not their whole entire life, they have a career,

1002
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: they just kind of want to they're definitely just like

1003
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: a new gym goer. What advice would you give that person?

1004
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: I would say baby steps. I would never say like

1005
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: all or nothing and go. You wouldn't want to start

1006
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: weight training and getting into the gym and going to

1007
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: the extremity, like start small, and this is what I

1008
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: do do with clients. I have clients who have never

1009
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: weight trained before, and we will start with the bare

1010
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: minimum because you want to you know, be able to

1011
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 2: really have that flexibility. And the way that our bodies

1012
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: adapt is that as you get fitter and fitter, and

1013
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: the longer that you do something, your body adapts and

1014
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: becomes better and better at adapting to that. So what

1015
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: that means in terms of health and fitness is eventually,

1016
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: if you start with three days or two days, it's

1017
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: going to go to four days, and then five days

1018
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: and then six days. To be able to get the same,

1019
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: if not more results, or to gain more strength or fitness,

1020
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: you always have to be progressing. So for someone starting out,

1021
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: I would say to just start small and make sure

1022
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: you get self a good coach, get educated, and make

1023
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: sure that you are you know, doing things correct, especially

1024
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: in terms of like technique and everything from the beginning,

1025
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: so that you don't create any like negative habits and

1026
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 2: stuff as well. So I think it would just be yeah,

1027
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: starting small and working your way through. Don't go from.

1028
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Zero to one hundred, don't go all or nothing.

1029
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: Don't play all your cards at once. That's what I

1030
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: like to say. You want to start small and then

1031
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: slowly progress into it, because you will go one hundred

1032
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: percent and then you'll fall off track. And it's just

1033
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: starting that cycle from the beginning.

1034
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, And another thing I just want to add

1035
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: also is like be kind to yourself in this process

1036
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: because likely you said there's seasons you go through staff

1037
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: like you're a human being. It's not going to be

1038
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: this new thing and it's perfect or anything like that

1039
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: to get such a enjoy it ernie.

1040
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: Which is a journey. But yeah, enjoy it and you know,

1041
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 2: have fun with it as well. It's meant to add

1042
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: to your life. This is what I always say. Fitness

1043
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: and health is meant to add to your life your life,

1044
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: not detract from it.

1045
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's like I love that you said that actually,

1046
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: And that's like choosing ways of movement that you actually like,

1047
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Like don't just do weight training because other people are

1048
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: doing it, or don't just do yoga because other people do. See,

1049
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: I love it.

1050
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying like if you want to do

1051
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: swimming or if you want to go play sport, because

1052
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: like you're social as well, Like Ray. I'm not one

1053
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: of these people that's like, no, this day is no Ray.

1054
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 1: Definitely what brings you joy and that, like you said,

1055
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: eating is exact same as well.

1056
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: Well, your mental health is so important and if you're

1057
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: not enjoying it.

1058
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: It's what's the point the point point?

1059
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, and you'll probably go through seasons of

1060
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: wanting to change what type of training.

1061
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: You want to do.

1062
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 2: I do that as well. So yeah, there's no wrong

1063
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: or right, just you know, just make sure that you're

1064
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: enjoying it and be kind to yourself.

1065
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: I love that. And so the very last question just

1066
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: keep me going, why you lie? So what I ask

1067
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: everyone is what inspires and motivates you? Oh it's a goody.

1068
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: I know. Everyone always asks me about motivation, and it's

1069
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: always everyone and says such different answers.

1070
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: That's why I ask it.

1071
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: Motivation is such a fickle thing. Motivation, motivating, Motivation is

1072
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: such a hard thing for me. It's definitely my goals.

1073
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: I always have to recheck back into my why behind

1074
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: why I want to achieve a certain goal. That's what

1075
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: motivates me. And then when I'm lacking that motivation, I

1076
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: will sit there and be like Okay, why did you

1077
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: even want to do this? It's because I have this goal? Okay,

1078
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: but why do you have this goal? And if my

1079
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: why isn't good enough? Honestly, there is times where I'm like,

1080
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, I don't do it, so I think that

1081
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: that's another thing. But for me, motivation comes from within.

1082
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm someone who wants to continuously be bettering myself and

1083
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: striving for progression. I would hate to look back in

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Speaker 2: six months or a year and be the same person

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Speaker 1: Love that. Thank you so much for being on the show. Mikhayla.

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Speaker 1: We're sitting in her spare room on the floor. I

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh gods.

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Speaker 1: And that's a wrap on another episode of the Rise

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Speaker 1: at Georgie Stevenson. Once again, guys, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: guys have an amazing day or night whenever you're listening,

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Speaker 1: Said. Starting off