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Speaker 1: In that breaking news just before nine o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 1: we learned that Charles Durwin University had announced that Professor

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Speaker 1: Scott Bowman would conclude his tenure as the Vice Chancellor

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Speaker 1: and president now. Professor Bowman and the University Executive Council

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Speaker 1: agreed that it is in CDU's best interests for Professor

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Speaker 1: Bowman to step aside at this time. The decisions going

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Speaker 1: to enable CDU to work through its current challenges and

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Speaker 1: for Phillip's responsibilities to students, staff and the Northern Territory community. Now,

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Speaker 1: they have said that it is important that the focus

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Speaker 1: remains firmly on the issues and that efforts are galvanized

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Speaker 1: to deliver quality training, teaching and research. Now joining us

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Speaker 1: on the line to talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: this situation and the impact that it is having more

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Speaker 1: broadly on the industry is Lewis Spinosa from the Housing

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Speaker 1: Industry Association or the HIA. Good morning to Lewis.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, how.

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Speaker 1: Are you really good? Lovely to have you on the show. Louis,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about you know what

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Speaker 1: you are hearing and the impact from your perspective on

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Speaker 1: the industry.

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Speaker 2: The things that I'm hearing. It's exactly what everyone's been

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Speaker 2: hearing for the past couple of weeks. It is a look.

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Speaker 2: Our industry is getting ready for what's probably a very

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Speaker 2: busy period and all our members are getting ready for that,

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Speaker 2: and this is the last thing we needed. And we

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Speaker 2: are so angry at what's happened. We don't understand how

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Speaker 2: it's happened. Regardless, we need to make sure the CityU

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Speaker 2: takes care of the situation and those students are taking

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Speaker 2: care of and the employers compensated. That's our main target

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Speaker 2: as an association for the industry. Yeah, back with Sammy

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Speaker 2: and was staying earlier on it. It's just the construction

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Speaker 2: industry its time and time again with something it's tire.

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Speaker 2: The regulations changed, the stand that's changed, They see changes

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Speaker 2: and now there's its just could have set us back

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Speaker 2: quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: So there was from your perspectives, you know, like how

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Speaker 1: many people are being impacted, like how many apprentices and

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Speaker 1: and you know what are people contacting the HII and saying.

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Speaker 2: We as far as we know that number. At first

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Speaker 2: we thought that it was around the four hundred. That

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Speaker 2: number has come down slightly, but again the final number

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Speaker 2: is get to be decided. I'd say there's no way.

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Speaker 2: There's there's so many variants that we must think about

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Speaker 2: when we're talking about the students affected. It could be

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Speaker 2: done doing one unit or two units short courses, the

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Speaker 2: certificate three or the certificate two school students, which you know,

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Speaker 2: it's very messy and I would not want to be

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Speaker 2: in a city issues trying to fix the problem because

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Speaker 2: it's a mountain of work to do and it's not

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Speaker 2: a pleasant things to do. But our members have been

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Speaker 2: in contact those who are affected. Fortunately, the majority of

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Speaker 2: our members have their apprentices with h I A. We

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Speaker 2: are in our t O and we delivered as third

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Speaker 2: three in carpentry, and we also delivered a thirteen in

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Speaker 2: construction for school students. We have had a few or

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Speaker 2: there a city's apprentices come over and we were out

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Speaker 2: also open.

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Speaker 1: So those do you think that you're find that your

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Speaker 1: numbers increase, you know, the number of apprentices doing that

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Speaker 1: training through HIA, that it might increase as a result

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Speaker 1: of this debacle.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a strong possibility. It's they air numbers

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Speaker 2: have increasing been increasing for the last five years, and

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Speaker 2: most of that increase has been through students jumping shipped

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Speaker 2: from city youth, so it's not through us poaching students

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Speaker 2: in any way. If they find out that h I

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Speaker 2: a ISTO and delivering quality coursework.

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Speaker 1: Lewis, tell me, you know, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: the university's reaction or their response this morning with the

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Speaker 1: announcement that that Scott Bowman is gone and that they're

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Speaker 1: going to do this review that could take around a month,

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Speaker 1: but they want to get to the bottom of this

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Speaker 1: and they want to make sure that they are are

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Speaker 1: supporting those students.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's the right thing to do. It's a

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Speaker 2: no brainer. Usually in the cases when the fiasco is

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Speaker 2: so large, the first to go other top people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I feel for Mike Hamilton, who was this miss last

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Speaker 2: week and now Scott Bowman. Look, they're just the heads

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Speaker 2: of the of the organization. It was. It was going

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Speaker 2: to happen. It's going to happen, but the work is

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Speaker 2: left behind for the other people that need to clean

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Speaker 2: it up. And lot of said it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a huge thing to do. I think they need to

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Speaker 2: do it all their systems and look at all their

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Speaker 2: systems and how something like this could have happened.

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Speaker 1: Lewis. You spoke before about, you know, about compensation for

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Speaker 1: some of those those builders. What would that maybe look like.

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Speaker 2: That compensation could be editing. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what how that would Most of our members they create

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Speaker 2: a schedule for the year for all their work, and

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Speaker 2: they they fact, they facked into that the time that

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Speaker 2: the apprentice is going to be away at trade school

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Speaker 2: and when they're going to have him back. They might

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Speaker 2: employ a couple of apprentices, so once away and the

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Speaker 2: other one who's attending work, so all those things, and

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Speaker 2: then you add superannuations thick leave annually at sign So

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Speaker 2: I am not around that round figure, but it's going

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Speaker 2: to be quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: As she did mention as well just at the start

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Speaker 1: of the interview that it's you know that a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot in the industry are feeling as though

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Speaker 1: it's going to be quite a busy time, a busy

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Speaker 1: year as well. You know, that's obviously good news in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but you've got to make sure

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Speaker 1: they've you know that they they've got the staff and

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Speaker 1: they've they've done the training that's required.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's exactly O Katie. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: do how do we plan ahead if we don't have

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Speaker 2: to start and and if we did have the staff

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Speaker 2: that they're not going to be taken away. I know

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Speaker 2: they are saying it could be a one week or

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Speaker 2: two week scenario, but I I think it might be

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Speaker 2: a bit longer than that's depending on the units, then,

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Speaker 2: depending whether the those apprentices that have their qualification, depending

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Speaker 2: whether they want to come back to you. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, as far as they're concerned, they've got a qualification,

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Speaker 2: and why should I go back?

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Speaker 1: You'd be very.

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Speaker 2: And look, you hear the talk. We have apprentices here,

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Speaker 2: and you hear that talk, and they say there's no

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Speaker 2: way they was the back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's another issue.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, well Louis, I really appreciate you having a

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Speaker 1: chat with us this morning. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: Not a problem.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll talk again soon