WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR: WEEK ONE - ELIMINATED CHATS

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually.

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<v Speaker 2>On TV Reload the podcast last week the line, Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to TV Reload. Thank you for clicking or downloading.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's episode, with our first two eliminated Australian Survivor castaways,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be talking about the twenty twenty four participants

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<v Speaker 2>time in Samoa and of course what they think now

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<v Speaker 2>that the smoke has well and really gone out of

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<v Speaker 2>their torches. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a showdown

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<v Speaker 2>that pits the winners against the underdogs and the big

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<v Speaker 2>wigs against the battlers, with each player competing for the

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<v Speaker 2>grand prize of half a million dollars. My first guest, Frankie,

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<v Speaker 2>is from Bondi Beach, Sydney, New South Wales. Don't hold

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<v Speaker 2>that against her. As one of the many athletic women

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<v Speaker 2>on the Titans tribe, Frankie bonded tightly with Nathan and Jaden. However,

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<v Speaker 2>her overclickiness turned her less physically strong tribe mates against her,

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<v Speaker 2>prompting a revolt that ended with her being blindsided. Fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>TV if you ask me, and a big congratulations to

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<v Speaker 2>her for bringing us a very engaging first episode. Frankie.

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<v Speaker 2>He will give us her read on a few controversial

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<v Speaker 2>topics like who didn't do their homework, who is gunning

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<v Speaker 2>for the TV moments, and how well suited she was

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<v Speaker 2>to the Titans theme. I will address the cool group

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<v Speaker 2>takedown directly, ask her if she lacks self awareness and

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<v Speaker 2>if that played into her blind side. Plus I will

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<v Speaker 2>throw in, you know, if she thinks that Jessica should

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<v Speaker 2>have gone home instead of her. There is actually so

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<v Speaker 2>much to unpack with Frankie, and she's really generous with

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<v Speaker 2>her time. But stick around afterwards for Jessica and the

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<v Speaker 2>second half of the podcast, as we will also unpack

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<v Speaker 2>her time in the series. Anyway, guys, let's bring Frankie

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<v Speaker 2>into the podcast to sit back and relax as we

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<v Speaker 2>dive just that little bit deeper into Australian survivor. Hi, Frankie,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Nice to meet you?

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<v Speaker 2>So nice to meet you. I just want to start

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast by saying to you, I love a confident woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I could drink a tall glass of boss Bitch every

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<v Speaker 2>day of the week.

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<v Speaker 3>Where were you when I needed you?

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'd love to have been on that show

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I'd just be commenting about your hair. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, that is some Aaron Spelling melrose Place hair

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<v Speaker 2>right there. I'm obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it is what it is. I should have remembered

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<v Speaker 1>that there's gonna be some first impressions that I should

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<v Speaker 1>have looked out for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably before we get actually into some of the

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<v Speaker 2>finer points of the episode. What are your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>watching it back last night? Like, how did you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I actually loved my edit. I don't care because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was very me so I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I could have I can say nothing, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was myself. If anything, I was making myself smaller. So

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<v Speaker 1>sorry to anyone who was annoyed by me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in Australian Survivors, you know history like social

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<v Speaker 2>game requires making your opponent think that your friends without

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<v Speaker 2>ever really showing your teeth. Do you think watching it

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<v Speaker 2>back that you were a little bit obvious in showing

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<v Speaker 2>your teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly, like I said before, no, so only because I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually trying my very best to talk to everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, as you can see, without getting too far

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<v Speaker 1>the episode that some people felt picked up on that

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<v Speaker 1>and they could see that they had to grab people

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<v Speaker 1>now before people did start to like me because of

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<v Speaker 1>my social game, And it was a pretty smart move

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<v Speaker 1>on their behalf because I was playing social first and

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<v Speaker 1>hiding my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to backtrack just a little bit with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, last year's season kind of felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>whole Australian Survivor game really leveled up. How much of

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<v Speaker 2>last year's you know, big Moves have affected the way

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<v Speaker 2>in which these players are playing this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I definitely didn't think it would play too early

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<v Speaker 1>because the thing people don't realize is when you are

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<v Speaker 1>confident in yourself and you're a strong female or even

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<v Speaker 1>a strong male or whatever, the biggest advice people give

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<v Speaker 1>you going into this show is make yourself smaller. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what people don't realize is that we are trying

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<v Speaker 1>so hard to make ourselves smaller and we forget that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the introverts also want us to lift them up.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was you forget there's these other little parts

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<v Speaker 1>of it that somehow just become your responsibility. And so

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<v Speaker 1>instead of them doing the social side, they just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to play big Moves off the bat, didn't they And

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<v Speaker 1>good on them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was kind of getting at the fact that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with globally recognized television moments like George and

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<v Speaker 2>Simon's showdown last year, I want to know your insight

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<v Speaker 2>on this. Are they castaways this year that will try

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<v Speaker 2>and eclipse those showdowns just to get that memorable TV moment?

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. I'm not going to tell you who,

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<v Speaker 1>but one hundred percent why not?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we're here for. Frankie, come on, don't disappoint

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<v Speaker 2>the hairs on flick. I need the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, Look, there are going to be some

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<v Speaker 1>people you need to watch out for, for sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're going to be the people you least expect.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that there are players that have not

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<v Speaker 2>watched Survivor before? I'm always interested in who hasn't done

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<v Speaker 2>their homework?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say probably probably Nathan to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>To be looking in the mirror, and do you know what, Frankie,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's looking in the mirror, and I would be

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<v Speaker 2>too if I was him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think probably Nathan to be honest, because this this

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<v Speaker 1>is the biggest thing is you can prepare yourself as

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<v Speaker 1>much as you want to go on there but you

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<v Speaker 1>forget you're not playing this game alone. So the moment

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<v Speaker 1>you go on there, people might gravitate towards you, like

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<v Speaker 1>I adore Nathan i adaor je eight, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>those boys. There's such the great energy boys, and so

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<v Speaker 1>is Winner. But you forget at the moment that you're there.

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<v Speaker 1>If they gravitate towards you, they are also part of

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<v Speaker 1>your gameplay, and you can't just shut people out from

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<v Speaker 1>the start. You just have to try to scramble and

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<v Speaker 1>figure something else out to do. But I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the time.

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<v Speaker 2>How well suit did you think everyone is matched to

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<v Speaker 2>this particular theme? Does everyone make a good titan? Does

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<v Speaker 2>everyone make a good rebel? What's your take on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it really comes down to what you would

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<v Speaker 1>define those things as. So, yeah, there's a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of me that was probably meant to be on rebels

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<v Speaker 1>because if you went off appearance alone and attitude alone.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, Raymond took my spot on that, like you

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<v Speaker 1>saw last night, So there's a little industry bit for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think look, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very clear in our tribe that we do have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of bosses and not enough teamwork.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeap, that is definitely coming through. I mean Titans

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<v Speaker 2>is being sort of shown as bosses, overachievers, masters of

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<v Speaker 2>their craft. How hard do you how hard do you

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<v Speaker 2>lean into the theme once you're given your theme? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine if you were given either of them,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, Okay, I get that and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to lean hard. Did you then lean lean hard into

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<v Speaker 2>the Titan status?

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, no, because I felt like being a hairdresser,

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<v Speaker 1>people were very quick to be like and like try

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<v Speaker 1>to say off the comments, but people are like, how

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<v Speaker 1>come a hairdresser is a title? And I'm very big

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<v Speaker 1>on well, because I opened my own business and I

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<v Speaker 1>worked my butt off to do anything I've done in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, and I did it with my own brains,

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<v Speaker 1>my own hands, and that's what I did, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what made me a Titan. But in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular situation, I actually had to keep my mouth

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<v Speaker 1>shut and sleep on the floor because I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>now that if I was the bossy person that I was,

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<v Speaker 1>wo'd have been sleeping in the taj Mahal, not in

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<v Speaker 1>the doghouse. As Be likes to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Brankie can I ask my hairdresser, you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>a Titan to mess with this shit. I am on

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<v Speaker 2>you, you know what I mean, Like it's in that is

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<v Speaker 2>a tough job. People don't realize the expectation level that

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<v Speaker 2>people come in to a hairdresser. You, my friend, are

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<v Speaker 2>a titan, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Run a team of hairdressers and I run it a

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<v Speaker 1>sull on full thousands of clients. It's managing expectations the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time. And so for myself here, I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>did have more time to lean into all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really didn't see myself as being such a

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<v Speaker 1>big threat. I was just being myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was very excited about your presence on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like you were the Disney villain that this

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<v Speaker 2>show needs. Like I felt like you did your job

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<v Speaker 2>so well, because you know, you go and do reality

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<v Speaker 2>and then you see the producers and you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>did I do a good job. I think any producer

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<v Speaker 2>would have loved what you did, because if you were

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<v Speaker 2>watching the forums social media last night, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic launch episode. It was so juicy, and it does

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<v Speaker 2>come down to the fact that you play hard and

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<v Speaker 2>we're really good television thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would do it all over again. Honestly, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was great being a part of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think I just didn't have a problem talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that, hey, there's a titan move for you

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to talk comfortably in front of a camera,

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<v Speaker 1>become a hairdresser.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean I was excited for some more sort

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<v Speaker 2>of Aaron Spelling kind of villainry from you, because I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that you had some really charismatic moments, like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little tad obvious, and viewers were calling you out

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<v Speaker 2>for that, but I was here for that, like I

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<v Speaker 2>want people on television to be exciting, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? And what have we been robbed from? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>What were you planning had you not been eliminated in

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<v Speaker 2>that tribal council?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like I said from the start, you don't you

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<v Speaker 1>forget about other people coming towards you. And my plan

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<v Speaker 1>all along was surely not going to vote me up first,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're losing challenges and we're going to need to

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<v Speaker 1>win some challenges and get some good morale. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had started making relationships with the Double V's and with

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline and Kitty and started chatting to like Charles and

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<v Speaker 1>Eden ah bit. I probably should have chatted to Mark

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, but I did start like creating

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<v Speaker 1>these little connections with people. It's such a fast paced

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<v Speaker 1>moment in the beginning. You've got to remember that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys get to see forty eight hours shoved into

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<v Speaker 1>one hour, and that first bit like it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>first part of any school project. But we're just all

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find our feet. But if I did it

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<v Speaker 1>had and if I was to stay longer, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>had some moves that I would have pulled out, But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say them now. They might get me back

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<v Speaker 1>on another day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for that if that happens. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm signing the petition. I thought that the conveyor belt

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<v Speaker 2>idea was a really smart idea in the first challenge,

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<v Speaker 2>but jlp alluded to there being too many captains and

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<v Speaker 2>not enough soldiers. Who do you think pickled that challenge

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<v Speaker 2>trying to stand out the most as a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say names, because I know you'd

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<v Speaker 1>love me too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I need. What do you mean, don't come

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<v Speaker 2>on my Juicy Saucy podcast and give me sugar? Free coke.

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<v Speaker 1>I can allude and you can fill in the gaps

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<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, I think just

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we were told as big personalities to

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<v Speaker 1>always make ourselves smaller, there is a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are introverted on there that wanted to make themselves bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think in those moments they wanted to take

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<v Speaker 1>charge and show that they could do challenges and not

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<v Speaker 1>just be nerdy guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've been accused online for creating a cool group,

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<v Speaker 2>and let me tell you, I don't think there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with that. I feel like, you know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see you going, hey, let me put together a cool group.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like it just gravitated that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, watching it back, did you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you were creating a cool group at the time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what your impression of all of that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Truthfully, absolutely not, because if you actually pay close attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure a lot of the Survivor fans do

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<v Speaker 1>I just agree and talk, I don't. I'm actually not

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<v Speaker 1>one putting things out there. I'm one standing there going

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<v Speaker 1>oh interesting, who's that? Oh okay, no worries and listening

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<v Speaker 1>to people and letting people do the talking and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually gathering information. People might gravitate towards me because I

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<v Speaker 1>do have a big energy, but like I would never

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<v Speaker 1>say that I'm a mean girl, and I would never

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<v Speaker 1>say that I create this type of cool group vibe

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<v Speaker 1>and if I do, great, let's create one outside too.

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<v Speaker 2>My only thing I'm going to take you to task

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<v Speaker 2>on that is But did you realize that there was

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<v Speaker 2>some clear underdogs? I think even Eden said it as

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<v Speaker 2>some people I can only assume are incredibly smart, and

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<v Speaker 2>so those people on the sidelines, like Charles, Nathan, Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>and Mark, those people that were sitting there, How did

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about them at the time. Were you unaware

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that they were starting to pull together

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<v Speaker 2>and that they might be going to challenge you.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my eye on Charles on Eden quite a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be honest with you, they definitely didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>left aside. Maybe towards the end when I felt the

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<v Speaker 1>need to not talk too much and try to do

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<v Speaker 1>the easy vote, I probably should have talked to them

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<v Speaker 1>more and made sure it was locked in. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have given them a lest where they were on the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of it, but I would have loved to work

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<v Speaker 1>with them more because they are actually the type of

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<v Speaker 1>people I loved to work with in real life too.

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<v Speaker 1>I love people who are quirky and unique. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I love people holding their own to who they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Hierarchies are though that word to people of that personality

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<v Speaker 2>type greats on them, do you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're they weren't the popular people at school,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of those words like hierarchy and stuff still

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<v Speaker 2>gets them on their back, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So I wondered, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where Yeah, no, I definitely said sorry it to

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt you, but I think that's where there was some

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes made. And do you know what. I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>popular kid at school either. I played the flute, I

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<v Speaker 1>was fifty kilos heavier than I am now, like I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the I was in band camp all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't the popular kid at school. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>why I would have spent more time with them. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think what they need to realize is that anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>if they go into this show, needs to realize is

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<v Speaker 1>that people make places for you, and so people instantly

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed that I was that person without getting to

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<v Speaker 1>know me, and people assumed because what the hot jock

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<v Speaker 1>was giving me attention, then that must have been me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've got a beautiful boyfriend out here waiting for me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 2>The people playing along with this podcast are happy with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I skipped over the American Pie references

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<v Speaker 2>there and just kept going with the flow. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a band camp. I had a flute, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have what you set up for that. I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to keep up, Keep up, Benjamin, what's wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 2>What about this dynamic duo relationship that you have with Nathan?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that's going to affect his game moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward because he's aligned with you and you've been booted.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think now he's a little bit exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think I think he can hold his own.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people don't give him as much credit as

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<v Speaker 1>he deserves. He's got a lot of ideas. That boy,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a lot of ideas. It was me actually

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<v Speaker 1>being like, stop talking about them, because that's what's actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to get you in trouble, Like stop coming to

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<v Speaker 1>me with already having ideas, because people are going to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up on that. At the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>you should, like in the beginning, you should hang around

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<v Speaker 1>the group a little bit more. But we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a shelter, and the only people that could cut down

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<v Speaker 1>trees were me, him and Jayden.

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<v Speaker 2>True. I mean, he did have one good idea, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was definitely those blue speeders. I don't know whose

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<v Speaker 2>idea that was one, one good idea for an episode,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing is, like, I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan is a lot more calculating than people give him

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<v Speaker 1>credit for. Hopefully you'll see some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>The definition though, of a blind side is Nathan saying

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking forward to the tribal council. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the definition of a lead up to that, I

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<v Speaker 2>could see all of those survivor nerds in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, this is the thing is, I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>you thought during that blindside, but the amount of times

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<v Speaker 1>I look over at the girls because the girls were

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<v Speaker 1>originally and then the other four girls that turned on

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<v Speaker 1>me like we'd all agreed, right, and so the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of times that I just all of a sudden just

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<v Speaker 1>start looking at them and they just wouldn't give me

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<v Speaker 1>eye contact, and I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew that was my next question. I was

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<v Speaker 2>really curious about it. I was really curious about that

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<v Speaker 2>because I was thinking, I think you felt a certain

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<v Speaker 2>way going into tribal council, But then when did the

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<v Speaker 2>penny drop for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>When did was it those girls?

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<v Speaker 1>How you had actually dropped me beforehand? I probably should

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<v Speaker 1>say that, but it actually dropped to me. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a part of me in that episode where I say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous about this one because my name is being

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<v Speaker 1>thrown around, and so there was a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>me that it had dropped beforehand. And I know I

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<v Speaker 1>can sit here and say that because it's been on

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to look like I've been blindsided.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a part of me that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>should I cause a fuss now or if I do

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm wrong, I'm now not only strong and being social,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to play too hard, so just shut up?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was it play hard or go home, And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently I just did both.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you did. I mean, I still want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to that point of this episode wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have landed as well. As it did if it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>for you being in there, Like this episode came together

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<v Speaker 2>and producers that make these shows love contestants like you. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the most brutal thing I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 2>in this is this interview. Would you say that Nathan

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<v Speaker 2>and yourself came off looking like you lack self awareness?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think? Do you think that you came off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the episode last night can show that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that I lacked as much self

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<v Speaker 1>awareness as people may think I did. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>think I didn't know how to handle what was happening

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't want to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Could we talk about Nathan's like of self awareness? Does

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<v Speaker 2>he have lack of self awareness? Do you think? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Slightly?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he slightly does, But that's because he's just

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<v Speaker 1>he's like the personality higher right, Like he honestly was

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<v Speaker 1>getting everyone laughing and he hadn't really seen the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and even like, even when I was chatting to him

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<v Speaker 1>last night, I was literally just like, you do not

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<v Speaker 1>list people in an order. If you do, you do

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<v Speaker 1>the opposites like and so like, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, we were all there to have fun, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a game. Yes, there was like half a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars on the line, But it is as much

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<v Speaker 1>as fans would love to believe it's his big set

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<v Speaker 1>and we're all just going home to a hotel. It's

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<v Speaker 1>brutal out there. If someone's going to make you laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't hold it in. You've had You've had a

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<v Speaker 1>day of challenges and a day of heat, and a

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<v Speaker 1>day of no food or whatever. Like himman Jayden Jayden is, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he is funniest and honestly, like, you just can't hide

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<v Speaker 1>that laughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a needed thing. I think people don't realize

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<v Speaker 2>how a bad it is. A friend of mine did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was last year, the year before, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember, but he it took a while for him

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<v Speaker 2>to recover after doing the show, and he had he

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<v Speaker 2>was a super fan. He'd been wanting to do the

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<v Speaker 2>show for a very long time, and he was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>by the conditions. Like you can watch it on television

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<v Speaker 2>and you can play it on a board game in

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<v Speaker 2>your home, but no one can get you to understand

0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the weather conditions or the lack of sleep, or the

0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 2>lack of food. It is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the lack of sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the lack of sleep that gets out because like

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember laying there and we were like, is

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<v Speaker 1>that pink and the sky yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Does that mean that?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean that sun's nearly up? Like we were

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<v Speaker 1>not sleeping, and that's the worst have Kelly like doing

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<v Speaker 1>a bucking bushed off around us, but at least at

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<v Speaker 1>least we didn't have that happening. But we definitely weren't sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, you don't realize if you're not sleeping and

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<v Speaker 1>other people aren't sleeping, that means there's also connections being

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<v Speaker 1>made there, so you try to keep yourself away.

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<v Speaker 2>And that kills that does kill that is that is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things where you're like, nothing good happens

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.800
<v Speaker 2>after twelve o'clock. Hang on a sec, I don't know

0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 2>if it's twelve o'clock, Like you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting there and you're like, could we figure out

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the time? You're like, how do you tell the time?

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<v Speaker 1>But it's yeah, it's I don't think people realize that

0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.840
<v Speaker 1>laughter and they all loved it, like everyone was having

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<v Speaker 1>a good laugh. That laughter means something because you it

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<v Speaker 1>is you haven't spoken to family. It is cold, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also hot. And it's also like why there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many bugs and why the crap?

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<v Speaker 2>So you just need I don't even know bugs could

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<v Speaker 2>get under my fingernails deep, Like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I want to quickly round this podcast off

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<v Speaker 2>by just asking you this question, which everyone's been left

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<v Speaker 2>discussing over the next ten hours or so that's followed

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<v Speaker 2>since I've spoken to you this morning. Should Jessica have

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<v Speaker 2>gone home? And who do you think made the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>effort to save her that probably regrets it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jess should have gone home, no doubt about that in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. And to be honest with you, I don't

0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.840
<v Speaker 1>think any and saved her. Oh I think everyone just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pull a move. Okay, I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>was about saving her.

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<v Speaker 2>But come on, like, Frankie, do you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand? This is what I'm shocked. Why on earth?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would never have gotten rid of you. You

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<v Speaker 2>are so strong, You've got so much personality, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like maybe I'm on the outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the popular opinion with this, but I just would never

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten rid of you. You facilitated a need, you

0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 2>brought physical strength, and you are smart. I just would

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<v Speaker 2>have kept you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a silly move getting rid of

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<v Speaker 1>me first, because there is no doubt in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>now there is a huge target on Marks back if

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<v Speaker 1>you can pull that sort of move in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what do you think people are going to realize?

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<v Speaker 1>I just think you play your hands too early and

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<v Speaker 1>what just because you maybe didn't like me, or I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't chat to I'm sorry that you won't call at

0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.000
<v Speaker 1>school or whatever. It was like, it's like, I'm I'm sorry,

0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.400
<v Speaker 1>it was my responsibility to chat to you so much

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning. But it's if you're going to pull

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<v Speaker 1>a move like that, and I'm sorry, Mark, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing this that comes across as hush, but you better

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<v Speaker 1>have some things to back it up for another forty

0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 1>six days, because there was a target in my back,

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<v Speaker 1>my social skill and maybe for being a big threat

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever. But people would have forgotten about that down

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<v Speaker 1>the track. They would have just been like, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of a strong one, and they maybe

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been seeing the other things I was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wouldn't have played my cards that early.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think there's some big regrets going down. Just

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<v Speaker 2>before you leave the pod, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>something and ask everyone who joins the podcast, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is what's something from behind the scenes, something that you're

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<v Speaker 2>expecting to maybe see on the show that we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Oyah. I can give you two little quick ones. One

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<v Speaker 1>would just be just what happens at night, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much they can do because it's a PG show,

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<v Speaker 1>But just what happens at night, because the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>bonding that does happen, like unfortunately they probably shouldn't show

0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 1>this on TV, but Jaden being so big and using

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<v Speaker 1>the machete to cut a cocoonut in his hand and

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.359
<v Speaker 1>things like that, and we're just laughing and all like

0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.480
<v Speaker 1>having time on the beach, Like those sort of things

0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.880
<v Speaker 1>are beautiful memories. I definitely think that's that and we

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<v Speaker 1>And to be honest with you, there were so many

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.399
<v Speaker 1>other things that Lathan I could have gotten be trouble for,

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<v Speaker 1>like when we we, I kept getting the two v's

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<v Speaker 1>names mixed up and so like little things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I may have been dragged for a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more because someone would be like, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this be? And I would say the wrong person

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:15.919
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, no, that's my good friend, and I

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.199
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh god, I'm screwing this up already. A

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>lot more laugh that happened, I would say, And they're

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<v Speaker 1>the things that people don't get to see, the bonding

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<v Speaker 1>moments that do happen with all these people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with you. I hope they bring you back,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that you pick up on a few

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<v Speaker 2>of those moves that maybe didn't land as well so

0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.920
<v Speaker 2>that you can stay longer, because I would be here

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<v Speaker 2>for that. But congratulations on getting onto Australian Survivor, and

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations on the fact that people would be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>you even though you did one episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally that's it, you know, be entertaining at least.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you enjoyed that chat with Frankie. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like she was quite relaxed and fun to talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>Next up, we have Jessica from Melbourne. After surviving a

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>rocky start that almost caused her to be the first

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 2>person voted out, Jessica was led to believe that she

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<v Speaker 2>was there ahead of her majority alliance on the Titans tribe,

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and her misplaced confidence prompted her to direct the Titan's

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<v Speaker 2>second vote against Eden, unsuccessfully in rallying the numbers and

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 2>further bearing herself by boasting about her orchestrating of the

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>previous vote, and obvious Jessica found herself given the boot instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I actually think today's guests brought a really

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<v Speaker 2>big punch to the launch week of Australian Survivor, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to congratulate jess as well for playing really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica will unpack the first tribal council and the aftermath

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.359
<v Speaker 2>that followed. Nearly all of the players had some kind

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>of an interaction with Jessica before her time was up,

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and that was actually really interesting to watch. I will

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 2>offer Jessica a theory about what might have saved her,

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and we will talk about that invisible hand and in fact,

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.120
<v Speaker 2>if it was invisible anyway, guys, let's bring Jessica into

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the podcast to sit back and relax as we dive

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.360
<v Speaker 2>just that little bit deeper into the world of Australian Survivor. Hi,

0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>jess how are you right, Ben?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very well. I think if you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>and apply for Survivor and get on a show like this,

0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you should go hard. Row a few bombs.

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory than

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 4>go out early where they're trying to pip off some

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 4>players that they consider maybe not as physically strong as others,

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 4>but have done nothing. So I've only watched a couple

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.880
<v Speaker 4>of the Survivor seasons. Maybe didn't actually work to an advantage.

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 4>I think I want to be better just to stay

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 4>towards not knowing anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Out and play naive Oh my god, I don't know.

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 4>What I'm doing and getting taken along by people that go, oh,

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.399
<v Speaker 4>you know what. Naivety is a strength for us because

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 4>we can tell her what to do, as opposed to

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 4>her having opinions.

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Kind of adds to the conversation of all or nothing.

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Can either watch every single episode or you're watching none

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at all and just turn up in this universe.

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, evidently there's no time to watch it all.

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 4>By the time that I'd started considering what I was doing,

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 4>the conversations about going on to Survivor started in January.

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Didn't apply. Maybe fear the normal routes.

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 4>They really ropped off those conversations again until about three

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:03.959
<v Speaker 4>weeks beforehand, and I got a call saying, are you

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 4>still around.

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Are you overseas? We need someone? Can you?

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:08.919
<v Speaker 4>Can you send us your CV? So my application was

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 4>actually my CV, so clinical, yes, send us you know,

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 4>you know what.

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 3>You've done before of a job.

0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Just sell us that you're a Titan of Academia and

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 4>we'll see if you can go in. So yeah, Like

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 4>that conversation happened about a Friday, three weeks before it started,

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 4>and I had another I think I had an interview online.

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 4>I picked the Monday, and it was done by the Wednesday,

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 4>so very quick. The fact that it had been on

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 4>my radar is something that might happen if I was around.

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 4>That had happened a couple of months earlier. But I went, oh, yeah,

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I'll watch a bit of this, and then just didn't

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 4>commit training myself as much as like I was like

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 4>the slack student that I normally teach. I didn't do

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 4>my homework as well as I probably could have.

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about some of the intricate aspects

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 2>of this first week, but I want to know, though,

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.639
<v Speaker 2>from you, how is this week watching your time on

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the show, Like what has your life been like a coaster?

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm used to watching myself or hearing myself do

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 4>media work anyway. I do a lot of media related

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 4>work for nutrition research and just scientific communication, So like

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 4>that didn't come as a surprise.

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 3>I know what I look and sound like. But then

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 3>seeing how you were edited.

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 4>In this character, that was a bit much. So yeah,

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 4>very much a roller coaster. I was very excited Monday

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 4>before the premiere watch the premiere on the edge of

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 4>my seat, so stressful. I'm going, I know what happened?

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 4>Why am I stressing out? And I was semi mortified

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 4>at the edit that I was being given because I'm going,

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 4>I am normally well, my whole ethos and persona is

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 4>about promoting women in science and trying to get more

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 4>women and girls in science. I mean very like, very

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 4>much a supporter of strong women and powerful women at that.

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 4>And then I am quite extroverted and bubbly as well,

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 4>so I'm going, why am I coming off as antisocial woman?

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>That's so not the vibe.

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 4>And then I just was filled with dread yesterday beforehand.

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm going, holy crap.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 4>Like, obviously I've given enough content, and some of it's

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 4>just zoom into my face, look at and I'm looking

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 4>at places I'm like, well, that's just anyone can be

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 4>zoomed in at with their eyes darting around. I think

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't scream paranoid. That just screams they're looking at shit.

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 4>But the next night, I well, you know, last night,

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 4>when I got voted out, I just thought, you know what,

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 4>I got voted out as someone who shows that I

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 4>stand my ground when I'm saying something that I've done.

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 4>I will own my ship. I will be truthful and transparent.

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 4>And some tribe mates might think, you know, let's keep

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 4>a person around that tells us where they're at without

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 4>throwing other people on the bus on the way. Maybe

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 4>that person is a good person to have around. Do

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 4>you know what they're thinking? They'll literally tell you. But instead, Yeah,

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't That wasn't what was valued. They Yeah, I

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 4>decided to take another route instead, But I was happy

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 4>to come across and finish of the person that was

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 4>too honest for my own good.

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just thought some of those dramatic head turns

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 2>in that tribal council were iconic. They will live rent

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 2>free in my head for the rest of my life.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>What was running through your head? You kind of were

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>looking back at Nathan and you were looking back at people.

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>It was, yeah, it was really interesting.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 4>I got that in the middle, and you know, the

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 4>position I think says a lot about what's going to happen,

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 4>not always so that they do change it up, but

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm in the middle.

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 3>And at the start I was like crap, I'm in

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 3>the middle, Like what does this mean? Does this mean that?

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Like, I'm in the middle because again I'm stirring, you

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.479
<v Speaker 4>know what everyone's doing. And then it came very apparent,

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 4>very quickly that I was in the middle for a

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 4>full pylon. So you do see three peoples having a

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 4>goal at me, being Nathan, Charles and Eden, and you know,

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 4>that was a lot more than what makes yet it

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 4>in terms of what they had to say.

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>But actually preceding this is Viola having.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 4>A full goal, like to the point that I was

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 4>like scared. I was sitting next to her and she

0:27:56.280 --> 0:28:00.159
<v Speaker 4>turns around and says something about me being hypocritical and

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 4>this and that, and I'm such a liar, going, what

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 4>what are you talking about? Because she'd heard that I

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 4>put her name out there, and like, obviously this is

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 4>not shown because there's no evidence of that.

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 3>I have, at no time put the old.

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 2>That's why it's not in the story. You know, the

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>producers will put that in there. It's like the old

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>saying on the Real Housewives of whatever franchise. They say,

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>if they've said it, we're going to put it on camera,

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 4>So she's having a crack at me when I say

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 4>it like no and kind of give her her that piece.

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 4>That's when I get Nathan saying, but you put the

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 4>votes on Frankie. And so what everyone else sees when

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 4>they watch it is that conversation, and I turn and

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 4>I go, well, yeah, And some people might think, well,

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck would she just own up to that?

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Why not lie? First of all, I can't lie to

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 3>save myself.

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 4>But I just told someone lack and Blue, I did

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 4>not do that, and I know that she knew that

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 4>I had loaded on Frankie. So I can't then turn

0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 4>around and go, oh, no, I didn't do that either,

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 4>because that would just absolutely undo any integrity or truthfulness

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 4>that I've just tried to establish with Viola. After that

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 4>comes Charles going and you put my name out there too,

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, what the.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Hell is going on?

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely did not I say to him, No, I didn't Charles,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 4>because at that point, I'm just pissed off, like, oh,

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 4>here we go, here's another one.

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 3>Like, guys, you're not all that special. I'm not throwing

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>everyone's names out. And I say, no, I.

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 4>Didn't, but I know I know who did, because yeah,

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 4>he's aimed, didn't get brought.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Up, wasn't by me?

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 4>And then I've got Eden that says and you put

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 4>mine out there too, and I go, yeah, I did,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 4>so I thought, you know what, I My head was

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.959
<v Speaker 4>spinning all those movements, but I was trying to distinguish

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 4>fires in left and right center all around me, and

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 4>I just thought it was pretty much going no, yes, no,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 4>guess trying to explain my way out of it. And yeah,

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.239
<v Speaker 4>probably could have done that a little bit better than

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 4>I did, evidently.

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, your transparency though in that tribal

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>council was George Television, you know, putting your cards on

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the table like that was almost really unfamiliar to the

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>usual chats that we see with Jonathan. Was that a

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>planned Yeah, it was that a planned way. Did you

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 2>think that's what was going to happen in that tribal

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 2>cancel or was that then a part of a final scramble.

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 4>It was definitely part of a final scramble, but I

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 4>still think I could have done it better than I did.

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I was still first.

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 4>Of all, I didn't expect the pile on that I got,

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 4>So I'm trying to deal with that, and literally it

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 4>coming from two people on the bottom seats two people

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 4>on the top seats at me like it was in

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 4>all directions. So whilst trying to go, holy crap, what

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 4>is happening and how do I navigate this? I thought, well,

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 4>honestly is the best policy. I think hopefully in this situation,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 4>enough people here know what I have done or haven't

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 4>done that if I just starts going, yeah, I'll spill

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 4>the beans and.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 3>What I did. I will completely own what I did

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>because lying.

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 4>About it is not going to earn me any favors.

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 4>And I look like I'm about to go home. Maybe

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 4>if people here go holy crap, she's owning her shit

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 4>in a way that wasn't throw out anyone else under

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 4>the bus, so maybe that would be value.

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I hoped that you were going to get away with it.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I actually thought if you had, I've been able to

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>get away with that tactic, because that's what I thought

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you were aiming at. So it's a good question for

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>me to have asked, because you were trying to level

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>up and say to people, I can give you transparency,

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and that transparency at an early stage of the game

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>might be a little bit misguided because you probably don't

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>have as many relationships that you would have later on

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>in the game if you tried to make that move

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 2>land Because like.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>And I wish I had done.

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 4>If I had my time again, I would have spent

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 4>another thirty seconds speaking to Charles, because I think Charles

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 4>is someone who has got really strong morals, is quite loyal,

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 4>and he's the type of person that's the type of

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 4>person I want.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Around me, at least at that stage.

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 4>And it was actually Nathan who put Charles's name out there,

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 4>and I wish I just said no, I didn't, but

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Nathan did, and I was really caught up and going, Okay,

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 4>if I want to sell myself with someone that's got

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 4>a high level of integrity that to keep around throwing

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 4>people under the bus isn't probably going to land.

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it wasn't a long game. It's not a long

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>game when all of a sudden you go hang in

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>a sec. But he did she did whatever, that's the

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>point where you're kind of losing your own agency, I think,

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>is you know basic exactly. I wanted to ask you

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>about the first episode because I kind of felt like,

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, you escaped your first elimination at the tribal council.

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>What do you think though, separated you and Frankie in

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 2>getting eliminated? Well now in hindsight, because in some ways

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you walked out of that tribal cancel and felt like

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the master manipulator that pulled it off. However, now that

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you've sort of watched it back, I just wonder what

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>you thought might have separated that vote.

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Watching it back, I'm not convinced that the order that

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 4>maybe it's shown him was the order that events occurred in.

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 4>I could be I could be wrong, who knows what

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 4>conversations were going on behind my back, But definitely, the

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 4>moment we got into the scramble, like we got back

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 4>on the beach after that challenge, the group peels off

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 4>in two directions. We've got three people that immediately within

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 4>thirty seconds go into the water together and another nine

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 4>that are together. And it's sort of in those like

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 4>first minutes that the idea of Frankie actually comes up now.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>The pitch to.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 4>Eden and Mark and was made in this sort of

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 4>way because I understood that they were people that could

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 4>manipulate the situation and was happy to think that, you know,

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 4>you can ride this wave and claim it. And I

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.239
<v Speaker 4>absolutely knew that they would. They would say that they

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 4>were influencers. Well, I influenced the influencer. So at the

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 4>end of the day, who really influenced that vote?

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 4>We can debate to the cows come, but I spoke

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 4>to them and my actual pitch was to break up

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 4>that brawny three and I said.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't really this is going to be really, really boring.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 4>If what happens is three people that are really strong

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 4>recruit other three that they know are going to be

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 4>lower on the list, then they start pipping everybody off

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 4>and you can see that Nathan then starts having those

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 4>conversations and trying to recruit. So I knew that that

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 4>was exactly what they were going to do, and I said,

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 4>we can throw a bomb at this early and reset

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and just change that dynamic and get that power back

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 4>a little bit. And that uncertainty that comes with not

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 4>knowing whether you're actually in that close three sort of alliance,

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 4>so evidently got to work together. So I put down

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 4>or suggest Frankie or Nathan, and they said, do you

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 4>have a preference.

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.439
<v Speaker 3>My preference was Frankie.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 4>And at that time it was because I thought they

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 4>might value Nathan's, you know, more strength. They're both very

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.240
<v Speaker 4>strong people, but more so than Frankie. On the first

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 4>night there as well, we are all talking about the

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 4>physical and the intellectual, the endurance strength that we bring

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.280
<v Speaker 4>to challenges, and we had three women actually say literally

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 4>the same thing. It was we lift strong shit. And

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm going, all right, well, there's three of you that

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 4>lift strong shit. Cool, Like, we've probably got that covered.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Hey.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 3>So the pitch then came more.

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 4>We've got three people here that are pretty much saying

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 4>that that's what they bring to a challenge.

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Do we need three? And the conversations then go about Frankie.

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 4>There were some other people that you know, sided maybe

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 4>some personality issues there where they didn't necessarily get along

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 4>with her at the start, granted her and I probably

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't have many conversations for me to get that far

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 4>with her due to the times constraint nature of it all,

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's where it all came from.

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 3>I felt very confident going to that.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 4>I was like ninety nine percent certain I wasn't going

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 4>home the edits where you know, I am the person

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 4>that looks like they're all gunning for.

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 3>I think happened.

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Once we all knew that were going for Frankie and

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 4>I knew that they had then caught wind of that

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 4>and where it were pitching me, and I was sort

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 4>of happy for everyone to just pretend that that was

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 4>what was going on. It was risky for me because

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.240
<v Speaker 4>if something happened, I've put my name on the chopping block.

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 4>But I was very confident and going into that JLP's

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 4>asking if I'm confident, I'm just in there quietly smiling

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 4>and thinking, Oh, she's just as confident, So maybe I

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 4>am the full but I'm pretty sure.

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I've got this discovered. And it was and quite a.

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.879
<v Speaker 4>Good way, I think at one to have your name

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 4>pulled out the first time and to think that you've

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 4>got complete control.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 3>Over the fact that your name is there. I knew

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 3>it was there. I was totally fine with it because

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 3>I thought this is good. It was a good way

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 3>to pull rip that bad daid off.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so funny watching you on the show

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and even talking to you. Now, you remind me a

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of myself in some way. And then I use

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of words to describe things, and then I'll

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>talk really fast because I've got a longer way of

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 2>explaining things, and over time people have cut me off,

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 2>so I felt like I've got to get it out faster.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just speeding up my because I'm like, I've

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 2>got good things to say, and now I just.

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 4>Want to be like Geers everything you should know, but

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna give it to you like in five seconds.

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they give us twenty minutes for a chat, right,

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and then you're like, okay, let's just unpack your entire

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.959
<v Speaker 2>survivor experience in twenty minutes. And you're like, oh my god,

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot. But I will say Mark's duality, you know,

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 2>looked real. It kind of looks obvious, and this happens

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>with survivoral a lot, you know, especially for the viewers.

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 2>But it was really clear when you were unpacking the

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>tribal Council from Frankie's elimination that you were kind of

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>oblivious to his narrative that there was this invisible hand,

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>which I guess is an invisible hand, of course, But

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>what I want to know is, then when you're watching

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the show back and you can see that there's a

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.800
<v Speaker 2>very clear there's even a term for it, invisible hand,

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about that kind of I guess gameplay.

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 3>Not surprised, surprise it was used on me.

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:25.799
<v Speaker 4>I knew that that Mark was obviously going to be

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 4>a stevy player, and I think when I am eliminated,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 4>they say who will win if it's a tired and

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, well, Mark, because I saw that he had

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 4>such intellect and strength in the way that he did communicate,

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 4>and he's a bloody diplomat, like he can influence situations.

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 3>He's really clever in that respect. I just didn't think

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>he was playing me.

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 4>And the footage is him and Eden going off, and

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 4>you're going, oh, like, evidently they're working together.

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>That was done very well because I do say or

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 3>no one knows that this is happening. I didn't know

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 3>that was happening.

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't know about the rest, but that was completely

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 4>novel to me. I knew more I did that Eden

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 4>was more erratic, but I didn't think Marks was so,

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 4>and I really did trust Mark.

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I would have conversations with Mark where he made me feel.

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 4>Like he was really genuine, really lovely supportive of what

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 4>I want to do, what he wanted to do, would

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 4>have these really great collaborative conversations, and it turns out

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 4>it was completely facade.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's interesting about you as a personality type?

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 2>And I guess this comes from being an educator. There's

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>a real leadership quality that comes to you very effortlessly,

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and we got to see that in the way that

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you're addressing JLP about Frankie's exit. But then I also felt,

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>in hindsight watching you being able to own so much

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of maybe Frankie's demids in your own words, kind of

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 2>felt like you were walking off a plank, because for

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Survivor players, they know not to stand

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.959
<v Speaker 2>that far out of a pack and own too much

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 2>agency over a particular move. I wond not watching that

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>back where you are making and we all know that

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot more conversations that JLP is having with

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the entire pastaways before an actual challenge. We know that

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 2>everyone's getting a lot to say, and then we get

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>the edit of you know what's being said. I just

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>feared for you that you walked yourself off a plank

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:11.720
<v Speaker 2>at that point.

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 4>And that's maybe where doing my homework would have come

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 4>in handy knowing the game that little bit more than

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 4>I did, because you're right, like my like, I.

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Am a leader by like occupation.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 4>I also, you know, in my job do a lot

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 4>of talking to people as opposed to at them. I

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 4>literally lecture and give feedback and things like that, and

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 4>I think I needed to be a bit more aware

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 4>of that and dial it back that little bit more.

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, was happy to say, oh, yeah, like we

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 3>did this, celebrate.

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 4>These successes and move forward where yeah, I could have

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 4>played it a bit more sneaky, but it doesn't come

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 4>to me as naturally as Mavie others. You know, if

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 4>I have my time again, you know, if by some

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 4>survivor god fate, I end up ever back there, I

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 4>will play things a very difficult.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see those dramatic head turns again. I

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 2>love to see a mad scram And there are people

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in this game that are the super fans, and I

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>mean Eden really is showing that in the whole Are

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 2>you not entertained this very dramatic moments that he's creating,

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, I'm I was a little bit

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>terrified by him doing that. I was worried, if you're okay?

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:18.799
<v Speaker 2>And then when I read the blogs, people were like,

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>he's leaning into that. So maybe that's more clever when

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 2>you are a super fan to put your hand up

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 2>and wink to the audience and say, hey, I'm doing

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 2>this for you.

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 3>And look, I never thought I would win Survivor. I

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 3>was never under that illusion.

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I did though, going going, all right, Well, how can

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 4>I get up each day and do and actually do something?

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 4>And you know if players that have considered maybe not

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 4>as physically strong than others are voted out faster than

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 4>others in some cases, well can I go out in

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 4>a blaze of glory or can I just wake up

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 4>and try to survive each day and try to get

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 4>to maybe, you know, the eighth tribal cancel and go

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 4>out and everyone go on, Who's Jess?

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I'd rather have been.

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 4>Someone who got two episodes of airtime because I actually

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 4>did something as opposed to nothing at all.

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, if I had my time again, maybe I would.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Scale back on a couple of things. I'm an avid,

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 4>lifelong learner.

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>It's all about what I promote, and I have learned

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 3>lessons myself from this.

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 2>We learned lessons from watching you. We certainly did, because,

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>like I think, in a way like Mark Eden, Charles Viola, Valeria,

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Caroline and Kitty makeup. You know they make up. I

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know, how do you describe that sort of the misfits,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>uncool but cool superfan group. And now that you kind

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 2>of now that you kind of know that, I kind

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.040
<v Speaker 2>of feel like your boot was inevitable because the only

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 2>way you could have survived at this point of the

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 2>game was if you had said nothing at this point

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>after that first elimination and disappeared into their uncool but

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>core group.

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's it.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I can go misfit, but I'm not uncool.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm not cool enough to be the Superman group. I

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 4>was just pure misfit and I don't think that for

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 4>me anywhere.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 4>Look, I do remember saying one of my individual interview

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 4>things that, like, after the first.

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 3>One, I was like, oh, this is not how I

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 3>wanted to start things. I wanted to lay low what

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 3>is my problem? Why am I? Why am I like this,

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 3>why do I have to lead shut up for the

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.760
<v Speaker 3>second one? And then of course second one.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Rolls around, and I don't shut up because of who

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 4>I am as human, but I just I kind of

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 4>wish that I had taken that backseat. And something that

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 4>probably is one of the reasons that I do make

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 4>suggestions is because you get to these tribal you know,

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>post elimination challenge scrambles, and people are going.

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know what to do.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 4>I like everybody and just waiting for somebody else to

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 4>say what they want, and I don't fuck around like

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 4>and time is ticking if no one's got an opinion

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 4>on something as much as them trying to get things

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 4>out of them, or like, you know, there might be

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.799
<v Speaker 4>a whole bunch of people and five people are going, oh,

0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 4>we don't know.

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll go ow about this.

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 4>As a scientist, I find solutions to problems, and I

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 4>would offer up a solution, But of course then that

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 4>gets you dubbed to someone who's, oh my god, you're

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 4>having an opinion, So you know, you either had to

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 4>completely shut up or not not have an opinion at all.

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 4>I think in those early stages, no one wants to

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 4>be the target, and people will try to fly under

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 4>the radar until they feel a little bit more secure

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 4>in that game.

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Nathan when he lets slip in that

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 2>tribal council, though, you know, he kind of said that

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 2>they needed to correct almost I'm paraphrasing here because this

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't exactly what he said, but we're correcting the elimination

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>that could have happened the night before. And once he

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.919
<v Speaker 2>said that, did you then know that you were going home?

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 4>Definitely had those vibes, but I was just kind of going, Nathan,

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:43.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't think everyone loves you, so.

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Who knows what they don't say.

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 4>I was taking with the grain of salt, being like, yeah,

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 4>you think you've got it under control.

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you necessarily do. Nathan says a

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of things.

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>So, but our constructs in the real world don't actually

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>apply to Survivor. So a man like Nathan who and

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 2>wear blue speedos and look phenomenal will win over a

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 2>bar full of chicks wanting to have a drink with him,

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 2>but won't work in Survivor. You know, you, being a

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>highly educated educator is somebody in the world in the

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 2>real world that would be valued differently as well, but

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>we strip everyone of who they are in the real

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 2>world with this experiment. It's interesting then to see how

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the cream rises to the top.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and then that's it.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 4>When I did come back, when the dean of science

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 4>at the university goes to me, how do you go, Jess, and'

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:30.879
<v Speaker 4>like like.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Not really, well, like on the d L and I go,

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I was too honest and you know, had some integrity

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 3>in this is that?

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, oh yeah, so like great for science,

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 4>We'll keep you here, stick to your day job, not

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 4>for Survivor.

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I'd still watch you on other shows.

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 2>I'd watch you back on Survivor, So don't give up,

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.959
<v Speaker 2>don't give up your ambitions for reality TV.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 4>If I do go on back on, people can go, oh, yeah,

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 4>that's a girl that tells you what she's thinking, So

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 4>maybe we'll keep her around because like we'll know what.

0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'd love it. I think, you know

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 2>for future play, they'd love that too. And as I

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>said to you earlier, had you been able to come

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 2>forward with that kind of honesty and that gameplay later on,

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it would have worked. But you just didn't

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 2>have the numbers. That was the only issue. And I

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 2>think you were just unaware of how many people had

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 2>grown grouped into the uncool cool group, do you know

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? And it's really interesting with these shows.

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter what show. These reality programs put people

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 2>in a situation like this where there's elimination, people will

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 2>slap a cool group name on something or an actual fact.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, those people aren't usually cool people in real life.

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Let them have their moment, let them be cool for

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 3>that moment. That's fine.

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Connects to the audience in a way that is so celebrated,

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>and that's fine too. But there is a lot of

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 2>people watching this show who I think are like, yes.

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.280
<v Speaker 4>I did get a few messages of different either past

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 4>players or super fans, go dying, Yes, we'll going yes

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 4>for the misfits. Don't try to get out the person

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 4>at the start because you've gone, oh, they're weak in

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 4>the disposable, like, We're glad that you were able to

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 4>get through that situation.

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:58.839
<v Speaker 3>It's I wasn't able to do it again.

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's a Batman turns quote. But things change,

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, people change very quickly anyway. With that kind

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of embarrassing quoting of a culture movie. I need to

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>move on to asking you my final question, which is

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 2>what is something from behind the scenes, something that we

0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>as an audience didn't get a chance to see.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, I.

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Think I've already mentioned some of them, you know, a

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.399
<v Speaker 4>bit more context for those conversations and what's happened at

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 4>Tribal to lead me to being so adamant in telling

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 4>the truth, you know, coming back people actually say and

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 4>look super fans go of course, but people that maybe

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.439
<v Speaker 4>Anna's engaged with the show, like, but was it real?

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Did you really not eat? Did you really sleep on

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 3>the floor? And like, yes, one hundred percent all of

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 3>those things are real. It is bloody rough.

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's so easy to go back and

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 4>look at these episodes and go, oh, well I would

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.799
<v Speaker 4>have done X, Y Z, because I look back and go, oh, well,

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 4>now that I know, I would have done all of.

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 3>These amazing things. But you don't freaking know, like to

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 3>be in there when you are starved and hungry and

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 3>you know a bit it was only five days. You

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:04.919
<v Speaker 3>make decisions that you might not might not be completely rational,

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.240
<v Speaker 3>and the way it's edited together doesn't always look rational,

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.720
<v Speaker 3>but you make the best decision with the information.

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 4>You've got available to you. And you know everyone else

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 4>sees the whole story. We don't, so you know that

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 4>in itself was a learning experience for me.

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 3>And if anyone's going, oh what really happens, yeah, it's

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing is a mind fuck.

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.399
<v Speaker 2>So imagine the auditive version if we had to see

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 2>everyone's narrative, do you know what I mean? Like twenty

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 2>four players, a lot of narrative just without you being

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>in this series. I actually don't know whether or not

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>this first week would have been as exciting. You really

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>added some quality to this show. And I think what

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I've seen online is a lot of new people coming

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>to Survivor and getting in early. And Survivor by nature

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>is a show that usually takes a while to get

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>their audience hook, where I think you and Frankie, both

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 2>of you have given us something very juicy and very

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>fun to watch. And I think you should be very

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>proud of yourself. And I know producers would say the

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 2>same thing because you deliver it.

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 4>They just want to make polity TV, and hey, we

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 4>can give deliver blind Side after Blindside and have everyone

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 4>else in the seats the edge of their seat, then yeah, happy,

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 4>happy to be the second person out.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.880
<v Speaker 2>If that's that's why I wish my hair was longer

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>than over the hair Flix. I just was looking at

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>those head flicks and I just was obsessed with it.

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 2>But I'm obsessed with hair. So I've told Frankie the

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>same thing.

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Every I'm listening to my podcast is like that queer

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>man with the obsession for ladies hair. You know, get

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>a life, enjoy chatting to the media, and thank you

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>so much for your generosity with your time chatting with

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>me today. Yeah, I thought you were fantastic, so

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really appreciate it.