Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually.
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Speaker 2: On today's episode, with our first two eliminated Australian Survivor castaways,
Speaker 2: we will be talking about the twenty twenty four participants
Speaker 2: time in Samoa and of course what they think now
Speaker 2: that the smoke has well and really gone out of
Speaker 2: their torches. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a showdown
Speaker 2: that pits the winners against the underdogs and the big
Speaker 2: wigs against the battlers, with each player competing for the
Speaker 2: grand prize of half a million dollars. My first guest, Frankie,
Speaker 2: is from Bondi Beach, Sydney, New South Wales. Don't hold
Speaker 2: that against her. As one of the many athletic women
Speaker 2: on the Titans tribe, Frankie bonded tightly with Nathan and Jaden. However,
Speaker 2: her overclickiness turned her less physically strong tribe mates against her,
Speaker 2: prompting a revolt that ended with her being blindsided. Fantastic
Speaker 2: TV if you ask me, and a big congratulations to
Speaker 2: her for bringing us a very engaging first episode. Frankie.
Speaker 2: He will give us her read on a few controversial
Speaker 2: topics like who didn't do their homework, who is gunning
Speaker 2: for the TV moments, and how well suited she was
Speaker 2: to the Titans theme. I will address the cool group
Speaker 2: takedown directly, ask her if she lacks self awareness and
Speaker 2: if that played into her blind side. Plus I will
Speaker 2: throw in, you know, if she thinks that Jessica should
Speaker 2: have gone home instead of her. There is actually so
Speaker 2: much to unpack with Frankie, and she's really generous with
Speaker 2: her time. But stick around afterwards for Jessica and the
Speaker 2: second half of the podcast, as we will also unpack
Speaker 2: her time in the series. Anyway, guys, let's bring Frankie
Speaker 2: into the podcast to sit back and relax as we
Speaker 2: dive just that little bit deeper into Australian survivor. Hi, Frankie,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you?
Speaker 2: So nice to meet you. I just want to start
Speaker 2: this podcast by saying to you, I love a confident woman.
Speaker 2: I could drink a tall glass of boss Bitch every
Speaker 2: day of the week.
Speaker 3: Where were you when I needed you?
Speaker 2: I know I'd love to have been on that show
Speaker 2: with you, I'd just be commenting about your hair. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, that is some Aaron Spelling melrose Place hair
Speaker 2: right there. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: Look, it is what it is. I should have remembered
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some first impressions that I should
Speaker 1: have looked out for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably before we get actually into some of the
Speaker 2: finer points of the episode. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: watching it back last night? Like, how did you feel?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I actually loved my edit. I don't care because
Speaker 1: I felt like it was very me so I felt
Speaker 1: like I could have I can say nothing, but I
Speaker 1: was myself. If anything, I was making myself smaller. So
Speaker 1: sorry to anyone who was annoyed by me.
Speaker 2: I mean in Australian Survivors, you know history like social
Speaker 2: game requires making your opponent think that your friends without
Speaker 2: ever really showing your teeth. Do you think watching it
Speaker 2: back that you were a little bit obvious in showing
Speaker 2: your teeth.
Speaker 1: Weirdly, like I said before, no, so only because I
Speaker 1: was actually trying my very best to talk to everyone.
Speaker 1: And then, as you can see, without getting too far
Speaker 1: the episode that some people felt picked up on that
Speaker 1: and they could see that they had to grab people
Speaker 1: now before people did start to like me because of
Speaker 1: my social game, And it was a pretty smart move
Speaker 1: on their behalf because I was playing social first and
Speaker 1: hiding my brain.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to backtrack just a little bit with this.
Speaker 2: I mean, last year's season kind of felt like the
Speaker 2: whole Australian Survivor game really leveled up. How much of
Speaker 2: last year's you know, big Moves have affected the way
Speaker 2: in which these players are playing this year.
Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely didn't think it would play too early
Speaker 1: because the thing people don't realize is when you are
Speaker 1: confident in yourself and you're a strong female or even
Speaker 1: a strong male or whatever, the biggest advice people give
Speaker 1: you going into this show is make yourself smaller. And
Speaker 1: so what people don't realize is that we are trying
Speaker 1: so hard to make ourselves smaller and we forget that
Speaker 1: sometimes the introverts also want us to lift them up.
Speaker 1: But it was you forget there's these other little parts
Speaker 1: of it that somehow just become your responsibility. And so
Speaker 1: instead of them doing the social side, they just wanted
Speaker 1: to play big Moves off the bat, didn't they And
Speaker 1: good on them.
Speaker 2: I mean I was kind of getting at the fact that,
Speaker 2: you know, with globally recognized television moments like George and
Speaker 2: Simon's showdown last year, I want to know your insight
Speaker 2: on this. Are they castaways this year that will try
Speaker 2: and eclipse those showdowns just to get that memorable TV moment?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm not going to tell you who,
Speaker 1: but one hundred percent why not?
Speaker 2: That's what we're here for. Frankie, come on, don't disappoint
Speaker 2: the hairs on flick. I need the truth.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Look, there are going to be some
Speaker 1: people you need to watch out for, for sure, and
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be the people you least expect.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there are players that have not
Speaker 2: watched Survivor before? I'm always interested in who hasn't done
Speaker 2: their homework?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say probably probably Nathan to be honest.
Speaker 2: To be looking in the mirror, and do you know what, Frankie,
Speaker 2: if he's looking in the mirror, and I would be
Speaker 2: too if I was him.
Speaker 1: I think probably Nathan to be honest, because this this
Speaker 1: is the biggest thing is you can prepare yourself as
Speaker 1: much as you want to go on there but you
Speaker 1: forget you're not playing this game alone. So the moment
Speaker 1: you go on there, people might gravitate towards you, like
Speaker 1: I adore Nathan i adaor je eight, and I love
Speaker 1: those boys. There's such the great energy boys, and so
Speaker 1: is Winner. But you forget at the moment that you're there.
Speaker 1: If they gravitate towards you, they are also part of
Speaker 1: your gameplay, and you can't just shut people out from
Speaker 1: the start. You just have to try to scramble and
Speaker 1: figure something else out to do. But I just didn't
Speaker 1: get the time.
Speaker 2: How well suit did you think everyone is matched to
Speaker 2: this particular theme? Does everyone make a good titan? Does
Speaker 2: everyone make a good rebel? What's your take on that.
Speaker 1: I think it really comes down to what you would
Speaker 1: define those things as. So, yeah, there's a big part
Speaker 1: of me that was probably meant to be on rebels
Speaker 1: because if you went off appearance alone and attitude alone.
Speaker 1: But hey, Raymond took my spot on that, like you
Speaker 1: saw last night, So there's a little industry bit for you.
Speaker 1: And I think look, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's very clear in our tribe that we do have
Speaker 1: a lot of bosses and not enough teamwork.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeap, that is definitely coming through. I mean Titans
Speaker 2: is being sort of shown as bosses, overachievers, masters of
Speaker 2: their craft. How hard do you how hard do you
Speaker 2: lean into the theme once you're given your theme? Because
Speaker 2: I can imagine if you were given either of them,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, Okay, I get that and I'm going
Speaker 2: to lean hard. Did you then lean lean hard into
Speaker 2: the Titan status?
Speaker 1: To be honest, no, because I felt like being a hairdresser,
Speaker 1: people were very quick to be like and like try
Speaker 1: to say off the comments, but people are like, how
Speaker 1: come a hairdresser is a title? And I'm very big
Speaker 1: on well, because I opened my own business and I
Speaker 1: worked my butt off to do anything I've done in
Speaker 1: my life, and I did it with my own brains,
Speaker 1: my own hands, and that's what I did, and so
Speaker 1: I think that's what made me a Titan. But in
Speaker 1: this particular situation, I actually had to keep my mouth
Speaker 1: shut and sleep on the floor because I'm telling you
Speaker 1: now that if I was the bossy person that I was,
Speaker 1: wo'd have been sleeping in the taj Mahal, not in
Speaker 1: the doghouse. As Be likes to say.
Speaker 2: Brankie can I ask my hairdresser, you need to be
Speaker 2: a Titan to mess with this shit. I am on
Speaker 2: you, you know what I mean, Like it's in that is
Speaker 2: a tough job. People don't realize the expectation level that
Speaker 2: people come in to a hairdresser. You, my friend, are
Speaker 2: a titan, and I.
Speaker 1: Run a team of hairdressers and I run it a
Speaker 1: sull on full thousands of clients. It's managing expectations the
Speaker 1: entire time. And so for myself here, I wish I
Speaker 1: did have more time to lean into all of that.
Speaker 1: But I really didn't see myself as being such a
Speaker 1: big threat. I was just being myself.
Speaker 2: Well, I was very excited about your presence on this show.
Speaker 2: I felt like you were the Disney villain that this
Speaker 2: show needs. Like I felt like you did your job
Speaker 2: so well, because you know, you go and do reality
Speaker 2: and then you see the producers and you think, oh,
Speaker 2: did I do a good job. I think any producer
Speaker 2: would have loved what you did, because if you were
Speaker 2: watching the forums social media last night, it was a
Speaker 2: fantastic launch episode. It was so juicy, and it does
Speaker 2: come down to the fact that you play hard and
Speaker 2: we're really good television thank you.
Speaker 1: I would do it all over again. Honestly, it was
Speaker 1: like it was great being a part of it. And
Speaker 1: I think, I think I just didn't have a problem talking.
Speaker 1: I guess that, hey, there's a titan move for you
Speaker 1: if you want to talk comfortably in front of a camera,
Speaker 1: become a hairdresser.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean I was excited for some more sort
Speaker 2: of Aaron Spelling kind of villainry from you, because I
Speaker 2: thought that you had some really charismatic moments, like maybe
Speaker 2: a little tad obvious, and viewers were calling you out
Speaker 2: for that, but I was here for that, like I
Speaker 2: want people on television to be exciting, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And what have we been robbed from? Though?
Speaker 2: What were you planning had you not been eliminated in
Speaker 2: that tribal council?
Speaker 1: Well, like I said from the start, you don't you
Speaker 1: forget about other people coming towards you. And my plan
Speaker 1: all along was surely not going to vote me up first,
Speaker 1: because we're losing challenges and we're going to need to
Speaker 1: win some challenges and get some good morale. And I
Speaker 1: had started making relationships with the Double V's and with
Speaker 1: Caroline and Kitty and started chatting to like Charles and
Speaker 1: Eden ah bit. I probably should have chatted to Mark
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but I did start like creating
Speaker 1: these little connections with people. It's such a fast paced
Speaker 1: moment in the beginning. You've got to remember that, Like
Speaker 1: you guys get to see forty eight hours shoved into
Speaker 1: one hour, and that first bit like it's like the
Speaker 1: first part of any school project. But we're just all
Speaker 1: trying to find our feet. But if I did it
Speaker 1: had and if I was to stay longer, I definitely
Speaker 1: had some moves that I would have pulled out, But hey,
Speaker 1: I can't say them now. They might get me back
Speaker 1: on another day.
Speaker 2: I'm here for that if that happens. By the way,
Speaker 2: I'm signing the petition. I thought that the conveyor belt
Speaker 2: idea was a really smart idea in the first challenge,
Speaker 2: but jlp alluded to there being too many captains and
Speaker 2: not enough soldiers. Who do you think pickled that challenge
Speaker 2: trying to stand out the most as a leader.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say names, because I know you'd
Speaker 1: love me too.
Speaker 2: That's what I need. What do you mean, don't come
Speaker 2: on my Juicy Saucy podcast and give me sugar? Free coke.
Speaker 1: I can allude and you can fill in the gaps
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, I think just
Speaker 1: as much as we were told as big personalities to
Speaker 1: always make ourselves smaller, there is a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are introverted on there that wanted to make themselves bigger,
Speaker 1: and I think in those moments they wanted to take
Speaker 1: charge and show that they could do challenges and not
Speaker 1: just be nerdy guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been accused online for creating a cool group,
Speaker 2: and let me tell you, I don't think there's anything
Speaker 2: wrong with that. I feel like, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: see you going, hey, let me put together a cool group.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like it just gravitated that way.
Speaker 2: But you know, watching it back, did you feel like
Speaker 2: you were creating a cool group at the time. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what your impression of all of that was.
Speaker 1: Truthfully, absolutely not, because if you actually pay close attention,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of the Survivor fans do
Speaker 1: I just agree and talk, I don't. I'm actually not
Speaker 1: one putting things out there. I'm one standing there going
Speaker 1: oh interesting, who's that? Oh okay, no worries and listening
Speaker 1: to people and letting people do the talking and I'm
Speaker 1: actually gathering information. People might gravitate towards me because I
Speaker 1: do have a big energy, but like I would never
Speaker 1: say that I'm a mean girl, and I would never
Speaker 1: say that I create this type of cool group vibe
Speaker 1: and if I do, great, let's create one outside too.
Speaker 2: My only thing I'm going to take you to task
Speaker 2: on that is But did you realize that there was
Speaker 2: some clear underdogs? I think even Eden said it as
Speaker 2: some people I can only assume are incredibly smart, and
Speaker 2: so those people on the sidelines, like Charles, Nathan, Jessica
Speaker 2: and Mark, those people that were sitting there, How did
Speaker 2: you feel about them at the time. Were you unaware
Speaker 2: of the fact that they were starting to pull together
Speaker 2: and that they might be going to challenge you.
Speaker 1: I had my eye on Charles on Eden quite a lot,
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, they definitely didn't get
Speaker 1: left aside. Maybe towards the end when I felt the
Speaker 1: need to not talk too much and try to do
Speaker 1: the easy vote, I probably should have talked to them
Speaker 1: more and made sure it was locked in. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have given them a lest where they were on the
Speaker 1: bottom of it, but I would have loved to work
Speaker 1: with them more because they are actually the type of
Speaker 1: people I loved to work with in real life too.
Speaker 1: I love people who are quirky and unique. I think
Speaker 1: I love people holding their own to who they are.
Speaker 2: Hierarchies are though that word to people of that personality
Speaker 2: type greats on them, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like they're they weren't the popular people at school,
Speaker 2: and some of those words like hierarchy and stuff still
Speaker 2: gets them on their back, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So I wondered, I think.
Speaker 1: That's where Yeah, no, I definitely said sorry it to
Speaker 1: interrupt you, but I think that's where there was some
Speaker 1: mistakes made. And do you know what. I wasn't the
Speaker 1: popular kid at school either. I played the flute, I
Speaker 1: was fifty kilos heavier than I am now, like I
Speaker 1: was in the I was in band camp all the time.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the popular kid at school. And this is
Speaker 1: why I would have spent more time with them. But
Speaker 1: I think what they need to realize is that anyone,
Speaker 1: if they go into this show, needs to realize is
Speaker 1: that people make places for you, and so people instantly
Speaker 1: just assumed that I was that person without getting to
Speaker 1: know me, and people assumed because what the hot jock
Speaker 1: was giving me attention, then that must have been me,
Speaker 1: Like I've got a beautiful boyfriend out here waiting for me,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: The people playing along with this podcast are happy with
Speaker 2: the fact that I skipped over the American Pie references
Speaker 2: there and just kept going with the flow. I was
Speaker 2: a band camp. I had a flute, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I have what you set up for that. I was
Speaker 2: trying to keep up, Keep up, Benjamin, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: What about this dynamic duo relationship that you have with Nathan?
Speaker 2: Do you think that's going to affect his game moving
Speaker 2: forward because he's aligned with you and you've been booted.
Speaker 2: Do you think now he's a little bit exposed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think he can hold his own.
Speaker 1: I think people don't give him as much credit as
Speaker 1: he deserves. He's got a lot of ideas. That boy,
Speaker 1: he had a lot of ideas. It was me actually
Speaker 1: being like, stop talking about them, because that's what's actually
Speaker 1: going to get you in trouble, Like stop coming to
Speaker 1: me with already having ideas, because people are going to
Speaker 1: pick up on that. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you should, like in the beginning, you should hang around
Speaker 1: the group a little bit more. But we didn't have
Speaker 1: a shelter, and the only people that could cut down
Speaker 1: trees were me, him and Jayden.
Speaker 2: True. I mean, he did have one good idea, and
Speaker 2: that was definitely those blue speeders. I don't know whose
Speaker 2: idea that was one, one good idea for an episode,
Speaker 2: and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, like, I think I think
Speaker 1: Nathan is a lot more calculating than people give him
Speaker 1: credit for. Hopefully you'll see some of that.
Speaker 2: The definition though, of a blind side is Nathan saying
Speaker 2: he was looking forward to the tribal council. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's the definition of a lead up to that, I
Speaker 2: could see all of those survivor nerds in the background.
Speaker 1: Like, this is the thing is, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you thought during that blindside, but the amount of times
Speaker 1: I look over at the girls because the girls were
Speaker 1: originally and then the other four girls that turned on
Speaker 1: me like we'd all agreed, right, and so the amount
Speaker 1: of times that I just all of a sudden just
Speaker 1: start looking at them and they just wouldn't give me
Speaker 1: eye contact, and I knew.
Speaker 2: I just knew that was my next question. I was
Speaker 2: really curious about it. I was really curious about that
Speaker 2: because I was thinking, I think you felt a certain
Speaker 2: way going into tribal council, But then when did the
Speaker 2: penny drop for you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: When did was it those girls?
Speaker 1: How you had actually dropped me beforehand? I probably should
Speaker 1: say that, but it actually dropped to me. And there's
Speaker 1: a part of me in that episode where I say,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about this one because my name is being
Speaker 1: thrown around, and so there was a big part of
Speaker 1: me that it had dropped beforehand. And I know I
Speaker 1: can sit here and say that because it's been on
Speaker 1: and I don't want to look like I've been blindsided.
Speaker 1: But there was a part of me that was like,
Speaker 1: should I cause a fuss now or if I do
Speaker 1: and I'm wrong, I'm now not only strong and being social,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to play too hard, so just shut up?
Speaker 1: And that was it play hard or go home, And
Speaker 1: apparently I just did both.
Speaker 2: No, I think you did. I mean, I still want
Speaker 2: to go back to that point of this episode wouldn't
Speaker 2: have landed as well. As it did if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for you being in there, Like this episode came together
Speaker 2: and producers that make these shows love contestants like you. Now,
Speaker 2: this is the most brutal thing I'm going to say
Speaker 2: in this is this interview. Would you say that Nathan
Speaker 2: and yourself came off looking like you lack self awareness?
Speaker 2: What did you think? Do you think that you came off.
Speaker 1: I think that the episode last night can show that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that I lacked as much self
Speaker 1: awareness as people may think I did. But I just
Speaker 1: think I didn't know how to handle what was happening
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be wrong.
Speaker 2: Could we talk about Nathan's like of self awareness? Does
Speaker 2: he have lack of self awareness? Do you think? Oh?
Speaker 3: Slightly?
Speaker 1: I think he slightly does, But that's because he's just
Speaker 1: he's like the personality higher right, Like he honestly was
Speaker 1: getting everyone laughing and he hadn't really seen the show,
Speaker 1: and even like, even when I was chatting to him
Speaker 1: last night, I was literally just like, you do not
Speaker 1: list people in an order. If you do, you do
Speaker 1: the opposites like and so like, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we were all there to have fun, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a game. Yes, there was like half a
Speaker 1: million dollars on the line, But it is as much
Speaker 1: as fans would love to believe it's his big set
Speaker 1: and we're all just going home to a hotel. It's
Speaker 1: brutal out there. If someone's going to make you laugh,
Speaker 1: you can't hold it in. You've had You've had a
Speaker 1: day of challenges and a day of heat, and a
Speaker 1: day of no food or whatever. Like himman Jayden Jayden is, Oh,
Speaker 1: he is funniest and honestly, like, you just can't hide
Speaker 1: that laughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a needed thing. I think people don't realize
Speaker 2: how a bad it is. A friend of mine did it.
Speaker 2: I think it was last year, the year before, I
Speaker 2: can't remember, but he it took a while for him
Speaker 2: to recover after doing the show, and he had he
Speaker 2: was a super fan. He'd been wanting to do the
Speaker 2: show for a very long time, and he was shocked
Speaker 2: by the conditions. Like you can watch it on television
Speaker 2: and you can play it on a board game in
Speaker 2: your home, but no one can get you to understand
Speaker 2: the weather conditions or the lack of sleep, or the
Speaker 2: lack of food. It is.
Speaker 3: It's the lack of sleep.
Speaker 1: It's the lack of sleep that gets out because like
Speaker 1: I just remember laying there and we were like, is
Speaker 1: that pink and the sky yet?
Speaker 3: Does that mean that?
Speaker 1: Does that mean that sun's nearly up? Like we were
Speaker 1: not sleeping, and that's the worst have Kelly like doing
Speaker 1: a bucking bushed off around us, but at least at
Speaker 1: least we didn't have that happening. But we definitely weren't sleeping.
Speaker 1: And like, you don't realize if you're not sleeping and
Speaker 1: other people aren't sleeping, that means there's also connections being
Speaker 1: made there, so you try to keep yourself away.
Speaker 2: And that kills that does kill that is that is
Speaker 2: one of those things where you're like, nothing good happens
Speaker 2: after twelve o'clock. Hang on a sec, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's twelve o'clock, Like you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there and you're like, could we figure out
Speaker 1: the time? You're like, how do you tell the time?
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's I don't think people realize that
Speaker 1: laughter and they all loved it, like everyone was having
Speaker 1: a good laugh. That laughter means something because you it
Speaker 1: is you haven't spoken to family. It is cold, but
Speaker 1: it's also hot. And it's also like why there's so
Speaker 1: many bugs and why the crap?
Speaker 2: So you just need I don't even know bugs could
Speaker 2: get under my fingernails deep, Like what is going on?
Speaker 2: You know? I want to quickly round this podcast off
Speaker 2: by just asking you this question, which everyone's been left
Speaker 2: discussing over the next ten hours or so that's followed
Speaker 2: since I've spoken to you this morning. Should Jessica have
Speaker 2: gone home? And who do you think made the biggest
Speaker 2: effort to save her that probably regrets it now.
Speaker 1: Jess should have gone home, no doubt about that in
Speaker 1: my mind. And to be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: think any and saved her. Oh I think everyone just
Speaker 1: wanted to pull a move. Okay, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was about saving her.
Speaker 2: But come on, like, Frankie, do you know what I
Speaker 2: don't understand? This is what I'm shocked. Why on earth?
Speaker 2: Like I would never have gotten rid of you. You
Speaker 2: are so strong, You've got so much personality, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like maybe I'm on the outside of
Speaker 2: the popular opinion with this, but I just would never
Speaker 2: have gotten rid of you. You facilitated a need, you
Speaker 2: brought physical strength, and you are smart. I just would
Speaker 2: have kept you.
Speaker 1: I think it was a silly move getting rid of
Speaker 1: me first, because there is no doubt in my mind
Speaker 1: now there is a huge target on Marks back if
Speaker 1: you can pull that sort of move in the beginning,
Speaker 1: Like what do you think people are going to realize?
Speaker 1: I just think you play your hands too early and
Speaker 1: what just because you maybe didn't like me, or I
Speaker 1: didn't chat to I'm sorry that you won't call at
Speaker 1: school or whatever. It was like, it's like, I'm I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it was my responsibility to chat to you so much
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But it's if you're going to pull
Speaker 1: a move like that, and I'm sorry, Mark, if you're
Speaker 1: hearing this that comes across as hush, but you better
Speaker 1: have some things to back it up for another forty
Speaker 1: six days, because there was a target in my back,
Speaker 1: my social skill and maybe for being a big threat
Speaker 1: and whatever. But people would have forgotten about that down
Speaker 1: the track. They would have just been like, we've got
Speaker 1: to get rid of a strong one, and they maybe
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been seeing the other things I was doing.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have played my cards that early.
Speaker 2: No, I think there's some big regrets going down. Just
Speaker 2: before you leave the pod, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: something and ask everyone who joins the podcast, and that
Speaker 2: is what's something from behind the scenes, something that you're
Speaker 2: expecting to maybe see on the show that we didn't
Speaker 2: get a chance to see.
Speaker 1: Oyah. I can give you two little quick ones. One
Speaker 1: would just be just what happens at night, because there's
Speaker 1: so much they can do because it's a PG show,
Speaker 1: But just what happens at night, because the amount of
Speaker 1: bonding that does happen, like unfortunately they probably shouldn't show
Speaker 1: this on TV, but Jaden being so big and using
Speaker 1: the machete to cut a cocoonut in his hand and
Speaker 1: things like that, and we're just laughing and all like
Speaker 1: having time on the beach, Like those sort of things
Speaker 1: are beautiful memories. I definitely think that's that and we
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, there were so many
Speaker 1: other things that Lathan I could have gotten be trouble for,
Speaker 1: like when we we, I kept getting the two v's
Speaker 1: names mixed up and so like little things like that.
Speaker 1: I thought I may have been dragged for a little
Speaker 1: bit more because someone would be like, what do you
Speaker 1: think this be? And I would say the wrong person
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, that's my good friend, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, I'm screwing this up already. A
Speaker 1: lot more laugh that happened, I would say, And they're
Speaker 1: the things that people don't get to see, the bonding
Speaker 1: moments that do happen with all these people.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with you. I hope they bring you back,
Speaker 2: and I hope that you pick up on a few
Speaker 2: of those moves that maybe didn't land as well so
Speaker 2: that you can stay longer, because I would be here
Speaker 2: for that. But congratulations on getting onto Australian Survivor, and
Speaker 2: congratulations on the fact that people would be talking about
Speaker 2: you even though you did one episode.
Speaker 1: Literally that's it, you know, be entertaining at least.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed that chat with Frankie. I feel
Speaker 2: like she was quite relaxed and fun to talk to.
Speaker 2: Next up, we have Jessica from Melbourne. After surviving a
Speaker 2: rocky start that almost caused her to be the first
Speaker 2: person voted out, Jessica was led to believe that she
Speaker 2: was there ahead of her majority alliance on the Titans tribe,
Speaker 2: and her misplaced confidence prompted her to direct the Titan's
Speaker 2: second vote against Eden, unsuccessfully in rallying the numbers and
Speaker 2: further bearing herself by boasting about her orchestrating of the
Speaker 2: previous vote, and obvious Jessica found herself given the boot instead.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I actually think today's guests brought a really
Speaker 2: big punch to the launch week of Australian Survivor, and
Speaker 2: I want to congratulate jess as well for playing really hard.
Speaker 2: Jessica will unpack the first tribal council and the aftermath
Speaker 2: that followed. Nearly all of the players had some kind
Speaker 2: of an interaction with Jessica before her time was up,
Speaker 2: and that was actually really interesting to watch. I will
Speaker 2: offer Jessica a theory about what might have saved her,
Speaker 2: and we will talk about that invisible hand and in fact,
Speaker 2: if it was invisible anyway, guys, let's bring Jessica into
Speaker 2: the podcast to sit back and relax as we dive
Speaker 2: just that little bit deeper into the world of Australian Survivor. Hi,
Speaker 2: jess how are you right, Ben?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm very well. I think if you're going to go
Speaker 2: and apply for Survivor and get on a show like this,
Speaker 2: you should go hard. Row a few bombs.
Speaker 4: I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory than
Speaker 4: go out early where they're trying to pip off some
Speaker 4: players that they consider maybe not as physically strong as others,
Speaker 4: but have done nothing. So I've only watched a couple
Speaker 4: of the Survivor seasons. Maybe didn't actually work to an advantage.
Speaker 4: I think I want to be better just to stay
Speaker 4: towards not knowing anything.
Speaker 3: Out and play naive Oh my god, I don't know.
Speaker 4: What I'm doing and getting taken along by people that go, oh,
Speaker 4: you know what. Naivety is a strength for us because
Speaker 4: we can tell her what to do, as opposed to
Speaker 4: her having opinions.
Speaker 2: Kind of adds to the conversation of all or nothing.
Speaker 2: Can either watch every single episode or you're watching none
Speaker 2: at all and just turn up in this universe.
Speaker 3: You know, evidently there's no time to watch it all.
Speaker 4: By the time that I'd started considering what I was doing,
Speaker 4: the conversations about going on to Survivor started in January.
Speaker 3: Didn't apply. Maybe fear the normal routes.
Speaker 4: They really ropped off those conversations again until about three
Speaker 4: weeks beforehand, and I got a call saying, are you
Speaker 4: still around.
Speaker 3: Are you overseas? We need someone? Can you?
Speaker 4: Can you send us your CV? So my application was
Speaker 4: actually my CV, so clinical, yes, send us you know,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 3: You've done before of a job.
Speaker 4: Just sell us that you're a Titan of Academia and
Speaker 4: we'll see if you can go in. So yeah, Like
Speaker 4: that conversation happened about a Friday, three weeks before it started,
Speaker 4: and I had another I think I had an interview online.
Speaker 4: I picked the Monday, and it was done by the Wednesday,
Speaker 4: so very quick. The fact that it had been on
Speaker 4: my radar is something that might happen if I was around.
Speaker 4: That had happened a couple of months earlier. But I went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll watch a bit of this, and then just didn't
Speaker 4: commit training myself as much as like I was like
Speaker 4: the slack student that I normally teach. I didn't do
Speaker 4: my homework as well as I probably could have.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about some of the intricate aspects
Speaker 2: of this first week, but I want to know, though,
Speaker 2: from you, how is this week watching your time on
Speaker 2: the show, Like what has your life been like a coaster?
Speaker 4: Like I'm used to watching myself or hearing myself do
Speaker 4: media work anyway. I do a lot of media related
Speaker 4: work for nutrition research and just scientific communication, So like
Speaker 4: that didn't come as a surprise.
Speaker 3: I know what I look and sound like. But then
Speaker 3: seeing how you were edited.
Speaker 4: In this character, that was a bit much. So yeah,
Speaker 4: very much a roller coaster. I was very excited Monday
Speaker 4: before the premiere watch the premiere on the edge of
Speaker 4: my seat, so stressful. I'm going, I know what happened?
Speaker 4: Why am I stressing out? And I was semi mortified
Speaker 4: at the edit that I was being given because I'm going,
Speaker 4: I am normally well, my whole ethos and persona is
Speaker 4: about promoting women in science and trying to get more
Speaker 4: women and girls in science. I mean very like, very
Speaker 4: much a supporter of strong women and powerful women at that.
Speaker 4: And then I am quite extroverted and bubbly as well,
Speaker 4: so I'm going, why am I coming off as antisocial woman?
Speaker 3: That's so not the vibe.
Speaker 4: And then I just was filled with dread yesterday beforehand.
Speaker 3: Because I'm going, holy crap.
Speaker 4: Like, obviously I've given enough content, and some of it's
Speaker 4: just zoom into my face, look at and I'm looking
Speaker 4: at places I'm like, well, that's just anyone can be
Speaker 4: zoomed in at with their eyes darting around. I think
Speaker 4: that doesn't scream paranoid. That just screams they're looking at shit.
Speaker 4: But the next night, I well, you know, last night,
Speaker 4: when I got voted out, I just thought, you know what,
Speaker 4: I got voted out as someone who shows that I
Speaker 4: stand my ground when I'm saying something that I've done.
Speaker 4: I will own my ship. I will be truthful and transparent.
Speaker 4: And some tribe mates might think, you know, let's keep
Speaker 4: a person around that tells us where they're at without
Speaker 4: throwing other people on the bus on the way. Maybe
Speaker 4: that person is a good person to have around. Do
Speaker 4: you know what they're thinking? They'll literally tell you. But instead, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that wasn't That wasn't what was valued. They Yeah, I
Speaker 4: decided to take another route instead, But I was happy
Speaker 4: to come across and finish of the person that was
Speaker 4: too honest for my own good.
Speaker 2: Well, I just thought some of those dramatic head turns
Speaker 2: in that tribal council were iconic. They will live rent
Speaker 2: free in my head for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: What was running through your head? You kind of were
Speaker 2: looking back at Nathan and you were looking back at people.
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, it was really interesting.
Speaker 4: I got that in the middle, and you know, the
Speaker 4: position I think says a lot about what's going to happen,
Speaker 4: not always so that they do change it up, but
Speaker 4: I'm in the middle.
Speaker 3: And at the start I was like crap, I'm in
Speaker 3: the middle, Like what does this mean? Does this mean that?
Speaker 4: Like, I'm in the middle because again I'm stirring, you
Speaker 4: know what everyone's doing. And then it came very apparent,
Speaker 4: very quickly that I was in the middle for a
Speaker 4: full pylon. So you do see three peoples having a
Speaker 4: goal at me, being Nathan, Charles and Eden, and you know,
Speaker 4: that was a lot more than what makes yet it
Speaker 4: in terms of what they had to say.
Speaker 3: But actually preceding this is Viola having.
Speaker 4: A full goal, like to the point that I was
Speaker 4: like scared. I was sitting next to her and she
Speaker 4: turns around and says something about me being hypocritical and
Speaker 4: this and that, and I'm such a liar, going, what
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Because she'd heard that I
Speaker 4: put her name out there, and like, obviously this is
Speaker 4: not shown because there's no evidence of that.
Speaker 3: I have, at no time put the old.
Speaker 2: That's why it's not in the story. You know, the
Speaker 2: producers will put that in there. It's like the old
Speaker 2: saying on the Real Housewives of whatever franchise. They say,
Speaker 2: if they've said it, we're going to put it on camera,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: So she's having a crack at me when I say
Speaker 4: it like no and kind of give her her that piece.
Speaker 4: That's when I get Nathan saying, but you put the
Speaker 4: votes on Frankie. And so what everyone else sees when
Speaker 4: they watch it is that conversation, and I turn and
Speaker 4: I go, well, yeah, And some people might think, well,
Speaker 4: what the fuck would she just own up to that?
Speaker 3: Why not lie? First of all, I can't lie to
Speaker 3: save myself.
Speaker 4: But I just told someone lack and Blue, I did
Speaker 4: not do that, and I know that she knew that
Speaker 4: I had loaded on Frankie. So I can't then turn
Speaker 4: around and go, oh, no, I didn't do that either,
Speaker 4: because that would just absolutely undo any integrity or truthfulness
Speaker 4: that I've just tried to establish with Viola. After that
Speaker 4: comes Charles going and you put my name out there too,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what the.
Speaker 3: Hell is going on?
Speaker 4: Absolutely did not I say to him, No, I didn't Charles,
Speaker 4: because at that point, I'm just pissed off, like, oh,
Speaker 4: here we go, here's another one.
Speaker 3: Like, guys, you're not all that special. I'm not throwing
Speaker 3: everyone's names out. And I say, no, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't, but I know I know who did, because yeah,
Speaker 4: he's aimed, didn't get brought.
Speaker 3: Up, wasn't by me?
Speaker 4: And then I've got Eden that says and you put
Speaker 4: mine out there too, and I go, yeah, I did,
Speaker 4: so I thought, you know what, I My head was
Speaker 4: spinning all those movements, but I was trying to distinguish
Speaker 4: fires in left and right center all around me, and
Speaker 4: I just thought it was pretty much going no, yes, no,
Speaker 4: guess trying to explain my way out of it. And yeah,
Speaker 4: probably could have done that a little bit better than
Speaker 4: I did, evidently.
Speaker 2: But you know what, your transparency though in that tribal
Speaker 2: council was George Television, you know, putting your cards on
Speaker 2: the table like that was almost really unfamiliar to the
Speaker 2: usual chats that we see with Jonathan. Was that a
Speaker 2: planned Yeah, it was that a planned way. Did you
Speaker 2: think that's what was going to happen in that tribal
Speaker 2: cancel or was that then a part of a final scramble.
Speaker 4: It was definitely part of a final scramble, but I
Speaker 4: still think I could have done it better than I did.
Speaker 3: I was still first.
Speaker 4: Of all, I didn't expect the pile on that I got,
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to deal with that, and literally it
Speaker 4: coming from two people on the bottom seats two people
Speaker 4: on the top seats at me like it was in
Speaker 4: all directions. So whilst trying to go, holy crap, what
Speaker 4: is happening and how do I navigate this? I thought, well,
Speaker 4: honestly is the best policy. I think hopefully in this situation,
Speaker 4: enough people here know what I have done or haven't
Speaker 4: done that if I just starts going, yeah, I'll spill
Speaker 4: the beans and.
Speaker 3: What I did. I will completely own what I did
Speaker 3: because lying.
Speaker 4: About it is not going to earn me any favors.
Speaker 4: And I look like I'm about to go home. Maybe
Speaker 4: if people here go holy crap, she's owning her shit
Speaker 4: in a way that wasn't throw out anyone else under
Speaker 4: the bus, so maybe that would be value.
Speaker 2: I hoped that you were going to get away with it.
Speaker 2: I actually thought if you had, I've been able to
Speaker 2: get away with that tactic, because that's what I thought
Speaker 2: you were aiming at. So it's a good question for
Speaker 2: me to have asked, because you were trying to level
Speaker 2: up and say to people, I can give you transparency,
Speaker 2: and that transparency at an early stage of the game
Speaker 2: might be a little bit misguided because you probably don't
Speaker 2: have as many relationships that you would have later on
Speaker 2: in the game if you tried to make that move
Speaker 2: land Because like.
Speaker 3: And I wish I had done.
Speaker 4: If I had my time again, I would have spent
Speaker 4: another thirty seconds speaking to Charles, because I think Charles
Speaker 4: is someone who has got really strong morals, is quite loyal,
Speaker 4: and he's the type of person that's the type of
Speaker 4: person I want.
Speaker 3: Around me, at least at that stage.
Speaker 4: And it was actually Nathan who put Charles's name out there,
Speaker 4: and I wish I just said no, I didn't, but
Speaker 4: Nathan did, and I was really caught up and going, Okay,
Speaker 4: if I want to sell myself with someone that's got
Speaker 4: a high level of integrity that to keep around throwing
Speaker 4: people under the bus isn't probably going to land.
Speaker 2: Wow, it wasn't a long game. It's not a long
Speaker 2: game when all of a sudden you go hang in
Speaker 2: a sec. But he did she did whatever, that's the
Speaker 2: point where you're kind of losing your own agency, I think,
Speaker 2: is you know basic exactly. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: about the first episode because I kind of felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, you escaped your first elimination at the tribal council.
Speaker 2: What do you think though, separated you and Frankie in
Speaker 2: getting eliminated? Well now in hindsight, because in some ways
Speaker 2: you walked out of that tribal cancel and felt like
Speaker 2: the master manipulator that pulled it off. However, now that
Speaker 2: you've sort of watched it back, I just wonder what
Speaker 2: you thought might have separated that vote.
Speaker 4: Watching it back, I'm not convinced that the order that
Speaker 4: maybe it's shown him was the order that events occurred in.
Speaker 4: I could be I could be wrong, who knows what
Speaker 4: conversations were going on behind my back, But definitely, the
Speaker 4: moment we got into the scramble, like we got back
Speaker 4: on the beach after that challenge, the group peels off
Speaker 4: in two directions. We've got three people that immediately within
Speaker 4: thirty seconds go into the water together and another nine
Speaker 4: that are together. And it's sort of in those like
Speaker 4: first minutes that the idea of Frankie actually comes up now.
Speaker 3: The pitch to.
Speaker 4: Eden and Mark and was made in this sort of
Speaker 4: way because I understood that they were people that could
Speaker 4: manipulate the situation and was happy to think that, you know,
Speaker 4: you can ride this wave and claim it. And I
Speaker 4: absolutely knew that they would. They would say that they
Speaker 4: were influencers. Well, I influenced the influencer. So at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, who really influenced that vote?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We can debate to the cows come, but I spoke
Speaker 4: to them and my actual pitch was to break up
Speaker 4: that brawny three and I said.
Speaker 3: I don't really this is going to be really, really boring.
Speaker 4: If what happens is three people that are really strong
Speaker 4: recruit other three that they know are going to be
Speaker 4: lower on the list, then they start pipping everybody off
Speaker 4: and you can see that Nathan then starts having those
Speaker 4: conversations and trying to recruit. So I knew that that
Speaker 4: was exactly what they were going to do, and I said,
Speaker 4: we can throw a bomb at this early and reset
Speaker 4: and just change that dynamic and get that power back
Speaker 4: a little bit. And that uncertainty that comes with not
Speaker 4: knowing whether you're actually in that close three sort of alliance,
Speaker 4: so evidently got to work together. So I put down
Speaker 4: or suggest Frankie or Nathan, and they said, do you
Speaker 4: have a preference.
Speaker 3: My preference was Frankie.
Speaker 4: And at that time it was because I thought they
Speaker 4: might value Nathan's, you know, more strength. They're both very
Speaker 4: strong people, but more so than Frankie. On the first
Speaker 4: night there as well, we are all talking about the
Speaker 4: physical and the intellectual, the endurance strength that we bring
Speaker 4: to challenges, and we had three women actually say literally
Speaker 4: the same thing. It was we lift strong shit. And
Speaker 4: I'm going, all right, well, there's three of you that
Speaker 4: lift strong shit. Cool, Like, we've probably got that covered.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: So the pitch then came more.
Speaker 4: We've got three people here that are pretty much saying
Speaker 4: that that's what they bring to a challenge.
Speaker 3: Do we need three? And the conversations then go about Frankie.
Speaker 4: There were some other people that you know, sided maybe
Speaker 4: some personality issues there where they didn't necessarily get along
Speaker 4: with her at the start, granted her and I probably
Speaker 4: didn't have many conversations for me to get that far
Speaker 4: with her due to the times constraint nature of it all,
Speaker 4: and I think that's where it all came from.
Speaker 3: I felt very confident going to that.
Speaker 4: I was like ninety nine percent certain I wasn't going
Speaker 4: home the edits where you know, I am the person
Speaker 4: that looks like they're all gunning for.
Speaker 3: I think happened.
Speaker 4: Once we all knew that were going for Frankie and
Speaker 4: I knew that they had then caught wind of that
Speaker 4: and where it were pitching me, and I was sort
Speaker 4: of happy for everyone to just pretend that that was
Speaker 4: what was going on. It was risky for me because
Speaker 4: if something happened, I've put my name on the chopping block.
Speaker 4: But I was very confident and going into that JLP's
Speaker 4: asking if I'm confident, I'm just in there quietly smiling
Speaker 4: and thinking, Oh, she's just as confident, So maybe I
Speaker 4: am the full but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: I've got this discovered. And it was and quite a.
Speaker 4: Good way, I think at one to have your name
Speaker 4: pulled out the first time and to think that you've
Speaker 4: got complete control.
Speaker 3: Over the fact that your name is there. I knew
Speaker 3: it was there. I was totally fine with it because
Speaker 3: I thought this is good. It was a good way
Speaker 3: to pull rip that bad daid off.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny watching you on the show
Speaker 2: and even talking to you. Now, you remind me a
Speaker 2: lot of myself in some way. And then I use
Speaker 2: a lot of words to describe things, and then I'll
Speaker 2: talk really fast because I've got a longer way of
Speaker 2: explaining things, and over time people have cut me off,
Speaker 2: so I felt like I've got to get it out faster.
Speaker 2: So I'm just speeding up my because I'm like, I've
Speaker 2: got good things to say, and now I just.
Speaker 4: Want to be like Geers everything you should know, but
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to you like in five seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they give us twenty minutes for a chat, right,
Speaker 2: and then you're like, okay, let's just unpack your entire
Speaker 2: survivor experience in twenty minutes. And you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's a lot. But I will say Mark's duality, you know,
Speaker 2: looked real. It kind of looks obvious, and this happens
Speaker 2: with survivoral a lot, you know, especially for the viewers.
Speaker 2: But it was really clear when you were unpacking the
Speaker 2: tribal Council from Frankie's elimination that you were kind of
Speaker 2: oblivious to his narrative that there was this invisible hand,
Speaker 2: which I guess is an invisible hand, of course, But
Speaker 2: what I want to know is, then when you're watching
Speaker 2: the show back and you can see that there's a
Speaker 2: very clear there's even a term for it, invisible hand,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that kind of I guess gameplay.
Speaker 3: Not surprised, surprise it was used on me.
Speaker 4: I knew that that Mark was obviously going to be
Speaker 4: a stevy player, and I think when I am eliminated,
Speaker 4: they say who will win if it's a tired and
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, Mark, because I saw that he had
Speaker 4: such intellect and strength in the way that he did communicate,
Speaker 4: and he's a bloody diplomat, like he can influence situations.
Speaker 3: He's really clever in that respect. I just didn't think
Speaker 3: he was playing me.
Speaker 4: And the footage is him and Eden going off, and
Speaker 4: you're going, oh, like, evidently they're working together.
Speaker 3: That was done very well because I do say or
Speaker 3: no one knows that this is happening. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that was happening.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the rest, but that was completely
Speaker 4: novel to me. I knew more I did that Eden
Speaker 4: was more erratic, but I didn't think Marks was so,
Speaker 4: and I really did trust Mark.
Speaker 3: I would have conversations with Mark where he made me feel.
Speaker 4: Like he was really genuine, really lovely supportive of what
Speaker 4: I want to do, what he wanted to do, would
Speaker 4: have these really great collaborative conversations, and it turns out
Speaker 4: it was completely facade.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's interesting about you as a personality type?
Speaker 2: And I guess this comes from being an educator. There's
Speaker 2: a real leadership quality that comes to you very effortlessly,
Speaker 2: and we got to see that in the way that
Speaker 2: you're addressing JLP about Frankie's exit. But then I also felt,
Speaker 2: in hindsight watching you being able to own so much
Speaker 2: of maybe Frankie's demids in your own words, kind of
Speaker 2: felt like you were walking off a plank, because for
Speaker 2: a lot of Survivor players, they know not to stand
Speaker 2: that far out of a pack and own too much
Speaker 2: agency over a particular move. I wond not watching that
Speaker 2: back where you are making and we all know that
Speaker 2: there's a lot more conversations that JLP is having with
Speaker 2: the entire pastaways before an actual challenge. We know that
Speaker 2: everyone's getting a lot to say, and then we get
Speaker 2: the edit of you know what's being said. I just
Speaker 2: feared for you that you walked yourself off a plank
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 4: And that's maybe where doing my homework would have come
Speaker 4: in handy knowing the game that little bit more than
Speaker 4: I did, because you're right, like my like, I.
Speaker 3: Am a leader by like occupation.
Speaker 4: I also, you know, in my job do a lot
Speaker 4: of talking to people as opposed to at them. I
Speaker 4: literally lecture and give feedback and things like that, and
Speaker 4: I think I needed to be a bit more aware
Speaker 4: of that and dial it back that little bit more.
Speaker 3: And yeah, was happy to say, oh, yeah, like we
Speaker 3: did this, celebrate.
Speaker 4: These successes and move forward where yeah, I could have
Speaker 4: played it a bit more sneaky, but it doesn't come
Speaker 4: to me as naturally as Mavie others. You know, if
Speaker 4: I have my time again, you know, if by some
Speaker 4: survivor god fate, I end up ever back there, I
Speaker 4: will play things a very difficult.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see those dramatic head turns again. I
Speaker 2: love to see a mad scram And there are people
Speaker 2: in this game that are the super fans, and I
Speaker 2: mean Eden really is showing that in the whole Are
Speaker 2: you not entertained this very dramatic moments that he's creating,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm I was a little bit
Speaker 2: terrified by him doing that. I was worried, if you're okay?
Speaker 2: And then when I read the blogs, people were like,
Speaker 2: he's leaning into that. So maybe that's more clever when
Speaker 2: you are a super fan to put your hand up
Speaker 2: and wink to the audience and say, hey, I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for you.
Speaker 3: And look, I never thought I would win Survivor. I
Speaker 3: was never under that illusion.
Speaker 4: I did though, going going, all right, Well, how can
Speaker 4: I get up each day and do and actually do something?
Speaker 4: And you know if players that have considered maybe not
Speaker 4: as physically strong than others are voted out faster than
Speaker 4: others in some cases, well can I go out in
Speaker 4: a blaze of glory or can I just wake up
Speaker 4: and try to survive each day and try to get
Speaker 4: to maybe, you know, the eighth tribal cancel and go
Speaker 4: out and everyone go on, Who's Jess?
Speaker 3: So you know, I'd rather have been.
Speaker 4: Someone who got two episodes of airtime because I actually
Speaker 4: did something as opposed to nothing at all.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if I had my time again, maybe I would.
Speaker 4: Scale back on a couple of things. I'm an avid,
Speaker 4: lifelong learner.
Speaker 3: It's all about what I promote, and I have learned
Speaker 3: lessons myself from this.
Speaker 2: We learned lessons from watching you. We certainly did, because,
Speaker 2: like I think, in a way like Mark Eden, Charles Viola, Valeria,
Speaker 2: Caroline and Kitty makeup. You know they make up. I
Speaker 2: don't know, how do you describe that sort of the misfits,
Speaker 2: uncool but cool superfan group. And now that you kind
Speaker 2: of now that you kind of know that, I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like your boot was inevitable because the only
Speaker 2: way you could have survived at this point of the
Speaker 2: game was if you had said nothing at this point
Speaker 2: after that first elimination and disappeared into their uncool but
Speaker 2: core group.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can go misfit, but I'm not uncool.
Speaker 4: I'm not cool enough to be the Superman group. I
Speaker 4: was just pure misfit and I don't think that for
Speaker 4: me anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, I do remember saying one of my individual interview
Speaker 4: things that, like, after the first.
Speaker 3: One, I was like, oh, this is not how I
Speaker 3: wanted to start things. I wanted to lay low what
Speaker 3: is my problem? Why am I? Why am I like this,
Speaker 3: why do I have to lead shut up for the
Speaker 3: second one? And then of course second one.
Speaker 4: Rolls around, and I don't shut up because of who
Speaker 4: I am as human, but I just I kind of
Speaker 4: wish that I had taken that backseat. And something that
Speaker 4: probably is one of the reasons that I do make
Speaker 4: suggestions is because you get to these tribal you know,
Speaker 4: post elimination challenge scrambles, and people are going.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4: I like everybody and just waiting for somebody else to
Speaker 4: say what they want, and I don't fuck around like
Speaker 4: and time is ticking if no one's got an opinion
Speaker 4: on something as much as them trying to get things
Speaker 4: out of them, or like, you know, there might be
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people and five people are going, oh,
Speaker 4: we don't know.
Speaker 3: I'll go ow about this.
Speaker 4: As a scientist, I find solutions to problems, and I
Speaker 4: would offer up a solution, But of course then that
Speaker 4: gets you dubbed to someone who's, oh my god, you're
Speaker 4: having an opinion, So you know, you either had to
Speaker 4: completely shut up or not not have an opinion at all.
Speaker 4: I think in those early stages, no one wants to
Speaker 4: be the target, and people will try to fly under
Speaker 4: the radar until they feel a little bit more secure
Speaker 4: in that game.
Speaker 2: I feel like Nathan when he lets slip in that
Speaker 2: tribal council, though, you know, he kind of said that
Speaker 2: they needed to correct almost I'm paraphrasing here because this
Speaker 2: isn't exactly what he said, but we're correcting the elimination
Speaker 2: that could have happened the night before. And once he
Speaker 2: said that, did you then know that you were going home?
Speaker 4: Definitely had those vibes, but I was just kind of going, Nathan,
Speaker 4: I don't think everyone loves you, so.
Speaker 3: Who knows what they don't say.
Speaker 4: I was taking with the grain of salt, being like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you think you've got it under control.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you necessarily do. Nathan says a
Speaker 3: lot of things.
Speaker 2: So, but our constructs in the real world don't actually
Speaker 2: apply to Survivor. So a man like Nathan who and
Speaker 2: wear blue speedos and look phenomenal will win over a
Speaker 2: bar full of chicks wanting to have a drink with him,
Speaker 2: but won't work in Survivor. You know, you, being a
Speaker 2: highly educated educator is somebody in the world in the
Speaker 2: real world that would be valued differently as well, but
Speaker 2: we strip everyone of who they are in the real
Speaker 2: world with this experiment. It's interesting then to see how
Speaker 2: the cream rises to the top.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and then that's it.
Speaker 4: When I did come back, when the dean of science
Speaker 4: at the university goes to me, how do you go, Jess, and'
Speaker 4: like like.
Speaker 3: Not really, well, like on the d L and I go,
Speaker 3: I was too honest and you know, had some integrity
Speaker 3: in this is that?
Speaker 4: And he's like, oh yeah, so like great for science,
Speaker 4: We'll keep you here, stick to your day job, not
Speaker 4: for Survivor.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'd still watch you on other shows.
Speaker 2: I'd watch you back on Survivor, So don't give up,
Speaker 2: don't give up your ambitions for reality TV.
Speaker 4: If I do go on back on, people can go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a girl that tells you what she's thinking, So
Speaker 4: maybe we'll keep her around because like we'll know what.
Speaker 2: I love it. I'd love it. I think, you know
Speaker 2: for future play, they'd love that too. And as I
Speaker 2: said to you earlier, had you been able to come
Speaker 2: forward with that kind of honesty and that gameplay later on,
Speaker 2: I think it would have worked. But you just didn't
Speaker 2: have the numbers. That was the only issue. And I
Speaker 2: think you were just unaware of how many people had
Speaker 2: grown grouped into the uncool cool group, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it's really interesting with these shows.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what show. These reality programs put people
Speaker 2: in a situation like this where there's elimination, people will
Speaker 2: slap a cool group name on something or an actual fact.
Speaker 2: You know, those people aren't usually cool people in real life.
Speaker 3: Let them have their moment, let them be cool for
Speaker 3: that moment. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Connects to the audience in a way that is so celebrated,
Speaker 2: and that's fine too. But there is a lot of
Speaker 2: people watching this show who I think are like, yes.
Speaker 4: I did get a few messages of different either past
Speaker 4: players or super fans, go dying, Yes, we'll going yes
Speaker 4: for the misfits. Don't try to get out the person
Speaker 4: at the start because you've gone, oh, they're weak in
Speaker 4: the disposable, like, We're glad that you were able to
Speaker 4: get through that situation.
Speaker 3: It's I wasn't able to do it again.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a Batman turns quote. But things change,
Speaker 2: you know, people change very quickly anyway. With that kind
Speaker 2: of embarrassing quoting of a culture movie. I need to
Speaker 2: move on to asking you my final question, which is
Speaker 2: what is something from behind the scenes, something that we
Speaker 2: as an audience didn't get a chance to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I.
Speaker 4: Think I've already mentioned some of them, you know, a
Speaker 4: bit more context for those conversations and what's happened at
Speaker 4: Tribal to lead me to being so adamant in telling
Speaker 4: the truth, you know, coming back people actually say and
Speaker 4: look super fans go of course, but people that maybe
Speaker 4: Anna's engaged with the show, like, but was it real?
Speaker 3: Did you really not eat? Did you really sleep on
Speaker 3: the floor? And like, yes, one hundred percent all of
Speaker 3: those things are real. It is bloody rough.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's so easy to go back and
Speaker 4: look at these episodes and go, oh, well I would
Speaker 4: have done X, Y Z, because I look back and go, oh, well,
Speaker 4: now that I know, I would have done all of.
Speaker 3: These amazing things. But you don't freaking know, like to
Speaker 3: be in there when you are starved and hungry and
Speaker 3: you know a bit it was only five days. You
Speaker 3: make decisions that you might not might not be completely rational,
Speaker 3: and the way it's edited together doesn't always look rational,
Speaker 3: but you make the best decision with the information.
Speaker 4: You've got available to you. And you know everyone else
Speaker 4: sees the whole story. We don't, so you know that
Speaker 4: in itself was a learning experience for me.
Speaker 3: And if anyone's going, oh what really happens, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: the whole thing is a mind fuck.
Speaker 2: So imagine the auditive version if we had to see
Speaker 2: everyone's narrative, do you know what I mean? Like twenty
Speaker 2: four players, a lot of narrative just without you being
Speaker 2: in this series. I actually don't know whether or not
Speaker 2: this first week would have been as exciting. You really
Speaker 2: added some quality to this show. And I think what
Speaker 2: I've seen online is a lot of new people coming
Speaker 2: to Survivor and getting in early. And Survivor by nature
Speaker 2: is a show that usually takes a while to get
Speaker 2: their audience hook, where I think you and Frankie, both
Speaker 2: of you have given us something very juicy and very
Speaker 2: fun to watch. And I think you should be very
Speaker 2: proud of yourself. And I know producers would say the
Speaker 2: same thing because you deliver it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: They just want to make polity TV, and hey, we
Speaker 4: can give deliver blind Side after Blindside and have everyone
Speaker 4: else in the seats the edge of their seat, then yeah, happy,
Speaker 4: happy to be the second person out.
Speaker 2: If that's that's why I wish my hair was longer
Speaker 2: than over the hair Flix. I just was looking at
Speaker 2: those head flicks and I just was obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: But I'm obsessed with hair. So I've told Frankie the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Every I'm listening to my podcast is like that queer
Speaker 2: man with the obsession for ladies hair. You know, get
Speaker 2: a life, enjoy chatting to the media, and thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your generosity with your time chatting with
Speaker 2: me today. Yeah, I thought you were fantastic, so
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really appreciate it.