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Speaker 1: We know that there is going to be a new

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Speaker 1: school of medicine established at Charles Dalen University. And joining

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Speaker 1: us on the line to tell us more Charles Dwen

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Speaker 1: University's Vice Chancellor, Professor Scott Bowman.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Scott. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm really good. Thanks, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the muck around this morning.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Chief Minister is going to be out at

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty, so we have had to reprogram everything throughout

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Speaker 1: this morning, Scott.

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Speaker 3: No problem, until we're a big day.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned in the opener there, we know

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Speaker 1: that a new school of medicine is going to be

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Speaker 1: established at CDU. Tell us a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: this and what you've announced today.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're getting together with Menses Menses School of Health

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Speaker 3: Research and also the National Critical Care and Trauma Response

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Speaker 3: Center that's the one that Professor Lennataris runs, Yes, to

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Speaker 3: announce that we are going to have a School of

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Speaker 3: Medicine at the university. In the first instance, we're going

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Speaker 3: to be running continuing education courses, professional development for doctors

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Speaker 3: and the courses that have been developed by Len and

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Speaker 3: Die Stevens in the National Critical Care and Trauma Response

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Speaker 3: Center are coming into the medical school. But it's also

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Speaker 3: going to be the home for our medical school places

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Speaker 3: when we get them.

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Speaker 2: And so how.

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Speaker 1: Come the university has decided to go down this path.

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Speaker 1: It obviously means that you're taking a bit of a

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Speaker 1: step away from Flinders University, who I believe you were

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Speaker 1: previously working with when it comes to those medicine courses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look to be honest, when you talk to people

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Speaker 3: about the course with Flinders, there was always the assumption

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Speaker 3: ten years ago when it was put in place, what

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Speaker 3: would happen is that there would be a partnership of Flinders.

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Speaker 3: Over the course of the next six or seven years,

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Speaker 3: they would kind of shepherd CEDU into having its own

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Speaker 3: medical program, its own medical school run from the territory.

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Speaker 3: Now that hasn't happened, and in fact, really the Flinders

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Speaker 3: program to all intents and purposes, is separate from CDU.

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Speaker 3: We feed in just twelve students a year into it

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Speaker 3: from of course we run. But you know, if you

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Speaker 3: just look at the buses that they run, there's no

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Speaker 3: mention of CDU. So we think it's time that we

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Speaker 3: had a medical school that is based here in the

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Speaker 3: territory where local clinicians can really have an imput into

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Speaker 3: the curriculum.

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Speaker 2: And so have you appointed a new head of the school.

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Speaker 3: We sure have, and that is Diane Stephens, Professor Diane Stephens,

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Speaker 3: So a lot of people in Darwin would know her.

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Speaker 3: She has been the director of the National Critical Care

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Speaker 3: and Trauma Center. That's always a mouthful to say. So

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Speaker 3: she's been involved in that, she was involved in the

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Speaker 3: Bali bombing response. She is a very well respected and

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Speaker 3: experienced intensive care specialist and doctor. So I don't think

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Speaker 3: we could have anyone better expment and work with us on.

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Speaker 1: And you spoke about about the fact that the National

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Speaker 1: Critical Care and Trauma Response Center is going to now

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Speaker 1: be supporting the course delivery.

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Speaker 2: How's that all going to work?

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, the people that are involved in education in

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Speaker 3: the ncc TRC, they're going to come over on scmbent

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Speaker 3: for the university. So long term, sir comment, So, including

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Speaker 3: Die and the team that she's got, the training programs

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Speaker 3: in that area. But things like air all retrieval and

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Speaker 3: emergency response management, they will all be run through the

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Speaker 3: universe and we will have a very close relationship with

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Speaker 3: them and also a very close relationship with MENSES. So

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Speaker 3: when you think that you've got CDU, the National Critical

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Speaker 3: Care Trauma Response Center and Men's is in there, this

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Speaker 3: is a pretty strong team to go and deliver a

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Speaker 3: really first class medical school.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess what we've seen over the course of

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Speaker 1: COVID as well is that the Northern Territory has done

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal job in terms of the Howard Springs facility

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Speaker 1: Response Center have done.

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Speaker 2: I know that that team.

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Speaker 1: I think we call them the Swiss Army Knife of

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Speaker 1: the medical profession because they just employ They get out

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Speaker 1: there and they can you know, they can go and

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Speaker 1: help out whenever they're required. But is this a real

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the Northern Territory to grow its own to

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Speaker 1: be part of those real rapid response situations.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, we've got skills and experience and not in

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Speaker 3: the territory that is unique in the world. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: working with our colleagues over in the Response Center and

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Speaker 3: share this experience in the world. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 3: Professor Lenna Tarris wants to do so that people around

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Speaker 3: that we do. So there's a lot of knowledge that

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Speaker 3: we can share with the world and we can also

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Speaker 3: share it with medical students. So you know, we're saying

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Speaker 3: that medical people need there's about eighty percent of a

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Speaker 3: curriculum that they need to know don't go to a

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Speaker 3: twenty percent that you can really cater your own needs

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Speaker 3: in your area. So we can put twenty percent of

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Speaker 3: NT knowledge into a medical curriculum and train doctors that

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Speaker 3: are just really well suited for the MT.

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Speaker 2: So what is this going to mean for the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory as a whole? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think it's mean that we are going

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Speaker 3: to become a world class and I do mean world class.

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Speaker 3: I think we will be attracting people from around the

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Speaker 3: do these continuing education courses. So that's one thing. And

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Speaker 3: I think once we can get the Commonwealth government behind

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Speaker 3: this and to allocate places for medical students, we're going

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Speaker 3: to produce medical students and medical graduates that are just

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Speaker 3: incredibly well suited to our lives are pairing the territory and.

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Speaker 2: So Scott that first intake is it from next year.

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Speaker 3: Well, for next year we'd be doing the postgraduate work

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Speaker 3: with doctors so that they will be coming in next year.

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Speaker 3: We are really saying to them, to the Commonwealth government,

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Speaker 3: you should give the Northern Territory medical places because there

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Speaker 3: are no medical places. Every jurisdiction in Australia gets funded

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Speaker 3: medical places with it sception of the Northern Territory. You know,

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory government actually has this fund. It puts

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Speaker 3: money into the Flinders program. Well, that doesn't happen anywhere

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Speaker 3: else in the country. So we're saying, come on, Commonwealth Government,

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Speaker 3: we need we need sixty dotsors a year in the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory. Give us funding in the first instance to

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Speaker 3: train forty a year and then sixty a year. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's time to get beyond the territory's medical workforce.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a pretty fair point, particularly when

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Speaker 1: you talk about some of the instances that we've seen

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Speaker 1: over the last few months and even longer when it

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Speaker 1: comes to those Code yellows and making sure that we've

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Speaker 1: got enough staff at our hospitals and across the territory.

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Speaker 1: So I think this sounds like a really good thing.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it does mean that we do end up with

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Speaker 1: more of our own staying in the Northern Territory to

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Speaker 1: fill those jobs that are so important.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right. Interestingly, I was looking at the figure

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent of our Australian students that are based

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Speaker 3: in the territory, ninety five percent of them stay in

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory after they graduate, which is amazing. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think this is a way of training our own

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Speaker 3: kids to be doctors and getting them to stay local well.

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Speaker 1: Charles Darwen University Vice Chancellor, Professor Scott Bowman, always appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Thanks so much for having a chat with

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Speaker 1: us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Great talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you