1 00:00:13,381 --> 00:00:17,190 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 2 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:20,910 Mundanara Bayles: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 3 00:00:20,910 --> 00:00:24,000 Mundanara Bayles: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or 4 00:00:24,001 --> 00:00:26,640 Mundanara Bayles: viewer are tuning in from. We would like to pay 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Mundanara Bayles: our respects to our elders, past and present, and acknowledge 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,301 Mundanara Bayles: that this always was Aboriginal land and always will be 7 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:34,231 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:39,180 Speaker 2: This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ, a 9 00:00:39,180 --> 00:00:42,691 Speaker 2: new series of conversations with different mob around the country 10 00:00:42,691 --> 00:00:46,771 Speaker 2: to yarn about meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the 11 00:00:46,771 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: capacity of indigenous businesses and organizations, and helping individuals in 12 00:00:51,721 --> 00:00:55,500 Speaker 2: the broader community to achieve financial well- being and resilience. 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,861 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mundanara Bayles. 14 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:13,501 Mundanara Bayles: Hello you mob, and welcome to another episode of the 15 00:01:13,501 --> 00:01:18,211 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman Podcast. I'm here on beautiful Yaggera Turrbal land, 16 00:01:18,541 --> 00:01:22,140 Mundanara Bayles: which is Brisbane for people that are not familiar with Yaggera 17 00:01:22,141 --> 00:01:27,121 Mundanara Bayles: Turrbal country. The beautiful Martuwarra River is right down the 18 00:01:27,121 --> 00:01:29,280 Mundanara Bayles: road from me. Actually, I can see it if I 19 00:01:29,281 --> 00:01:33,630 Mundanara Bayles: walk out of this studio. I'm here today with an 20 00:01:33,631 --> 00:01:37,831 Mundanara Bayles: amazing guest and it's part of the ANZ Black Magic 21 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:44,160 Mundanara Bayles: Woman Partnership series. We're talking to ANZ customers, employees, partners 22 00:01:44,461 --> 00:01:49,741 Mundanara Bayles: about the different products and services and initiatives that ANZ provide. 23 00:01:49,981 --> 00:01:53,311 Mundanara Bayles: So my guest today, that's been a while in the 24 00:01:53,311 --> 00:01:57,841 Mundanara Bayles: making, I ran into you at Supply Nation 2022 and 25 00:01:57,841 --> 00:02:00,301 Mundanara Bayles: you jumped on the podcast for a couple of minutes 26 00:02:00,301 --> 00:02:04,020 Mundanara Bayles: and I said, " Bros, we need a proper yarn." And 27 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:07,321 Mundanara Bayles: here we are today, making it happen thanks to ANZ. 28 00:02:08,221 --> 00:02:11,161 Mundanara Bayles: So Jack Reis, my brother, thanks for giving up some 29 00:02:11,161 --> 00:02:13,621 Mundanara Bayles: of your time to be on the podcast. For our 30 00:02:13,621 --> 00:02:17,431 Mundanara Bayles: listeners and also our viewers on YouTube, can you do an 31 00:02:17,431 --> 00:02:20,911 Mundanara Bayles: introduction? So who's your mob and a little bit about 32 00:02:20,911 --> 00:02:21,570 Mundanara Bayles: where you grew up. 33 00:02:21,751 --> 00:02:26,911 Speaker 4: Sure, sure. Thanks for having me, Mandanara, and thank you ANZ, because 34 00:02:28,111 --> 00:02:30,721 Speaker 4: everything that's possible, and just to paint a picture while 35 00:02:30,721 --> 00:02:33,871 Speaker 4: I'm sitting here, I'm looking around in the booth we 36 00:02:33,871 --> 00:02:38,701 Speaker 4: are recording in. First time for me, and for me, 37 00:02:38,701 --> 00:02:41,041 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit overwhelmed, but I love it because I don't know, 38 00:02:41,671 --> 00:02:44,490 Speaker 4: it's just different. It's just different. So my name is 39 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:48,001 Speaker 4: Jack Reis. I am Badu Lake. My heritage stems back 40 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:51,421 Speaker 4: to Bad in Zenadh Kes, which we also know as 41 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:56,581 Speaker 4: the Torres Straits. I just think about the land where 42 00:02:56,581 --> 00:03:00,871 Speaker 4: I'm from. If you can picture the most bluest blue 43 00:03:00,871 --> 00:03:04,620 Speaker 4: seas and on a backdrop there is a luscious green 44 00:03:04,621 --> 00:03:09,061 Speaker 4: line of coconut trees and golden sand. That's a place 45 00:03:09,061 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: that I get to call home. Fishing, crayfishing, diving... 46 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,511 Mundanara Bayles: Stop. My mouth is watering. 47 00:03:15,511 --> 00:03:15,721 Speaker 4: Fun. 48 00:03:16,351 --> 00:03:21,601 Mundanara Bayles: Crayfish is my go- to, and everyone keeps telling me, " 49 00:03:21,691 --> 00:03:26,581 Mundanara Bayles: Well, come to the Torres Strait and there's plenty. There's plenty." Plenty. 50 00:03:27,421 --> 00:03:29,311 Mundanara Bayles: Tell me, you grew up there or you were born 51 00:03:29,311 --> 00:03:30,421 Mundanara Bayles: on the mainland, which way? 52 00:03:30,571 --> 00:03:32,371 Speaker 4: No, I was born on Thursday Island. 53 00:03:33,091 --> 00:03:33,691 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. 54 00:03:34,291 --> 00:03:39,721 Speaker 4: Lived up on Thursday Island for four years. I was 55 00:03:39,721 --> 00:03:44,221 Speaker 4: really starting to learn the lingo, so moved down when 56 00:03:44,221 --> 00:03:45,571 Speaker 4: I was young and between- 57 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:48,811 Mundanara Bayles: What do they call it? Yumplatok? 58 00:03:48,811 --> 00:03:49,531 Speaker 4: Yumplatok, yeah. Yeah. Kalaw Lagaw Ya was my language. 59 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,141 Mundanara Bayles: Okay, well that's not just lingo, that's the proper language. 60 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:53,341 Speaker 4: That's the language group. 61 00:03:53,401 --> 00:03:54,571 Mundanara Bayles: Is it the Western island? 62 00:03:54,661 --> 00:03:55,381 Speaker 4: Western region. 63 00:03:55,471 --> 00:03:55,981 Mundanara Bayles: There you go. 64 00:03:55,981 --> 00:03:57,662 Speaker 4: Wa, yes. 65 00:03:57,662 --> 00:03:57,663 Mundanara Bayles: Know a little bit. 66 00:03:57,663 --> 00:04:02,011 Speaker 4: Yes, they're too good too. Well, the business that we'll 67 00:04:02,011 --> 00:04:04,441 Speaker 4: get to talk about Baidam Solutions is the word for 68 00:04:04,441 --> 00:04:10,952 Speaker 4: shark in my language. 69 00:04:10,952 --> 00:04:10,953 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. And is that your totem? 70 00:04:10,953 --> 00:04:10,954 Speaker 4: No, my totem's Tupmor, which is stingray. 71 00:04:10,954 --> 00:04:13,050 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. So I've been learning a little bit about Torres Strait culture because in 72 00:04:13,051 --> 00:04:16,531 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal culture, which people need to know that we're very 73 00:04:16,561 --> 00:04:21,271 Mundanara Bayles: different peoples. Right? Two different cultures or ethnicities even. Right? 74 00:04:21,271 --> 00:04:21,811 Speaker 4: Of course. 75 00:04:23,071 --> 00:04:26,671 Mundanara Bayles: With the Aboriginal totem system, we can't eat our totem. 76 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:29,671 Mundanara Bayles: And in your culture it's the opposite. 77 00:04:29,730 --> 00:04:30,180 Speaker 4: Yes. 78 00:04:30,331 --> 00:04:34,261 Mundanara Bayles: So that's why a lot of people are so, I 79 00:04:34,261 --> 00:04:39,061 Mundanara Bayles: would say, not interested because I would love more people 80 00:04:39,061 --> 00:04:42,631 Mundanara Bayles: to be interested about our cultures, but they kind of 81 00:04:42,631 --> 00:04:46,440 Mundanara Bayles: would never know that there's especially that difference with totems. 82 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:53,191 Speaker 4: It's amazing, isn't it? How geographical locations have different, different 83 00:04:53,191 --> 00:04:56,521 Speaker 4: rules, different ways of life, and you're spot on. One 84 00:04:56,521 --> 00:04:59,581 Speaker 4: of the key diets in the Torres Strait is turtle 85 00:04:59,581 --> 00:05:02,461 Speaker 4: dugong and a big plate of rice. You can't have 86 00:05:02,461 --> 00:05:06,180 Speaker 4: it without, but also fish. Fish and potatoes and yams. 87 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:09,750 Speaker 4: When you cast your mind back to our ancestors, that's 88 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:11,310 Speaker 4: all that we ate. So it was all from the 89 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:17,310 Speaker 4: ocean. All from the land. Rice was introduced, and when 90 00:05:17,311 --> 00:05:17,702 Speaker 4: we think about- 91 00:05:17,702 --> 00:05:19,381 Mundanara Bayles: Is it the Japanese, the Pearl... 92 00:05:19,381 --> 00:05:23,882 Speaker 4: Pearl Divers? That's right between- 93 00:05:23,882 --> 00:05:23,883 Mundanara Bayles: The pearl industry that took off in the Torres Strait. 94 00:05:23,883 --> 00:05:24,420 Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. That's right. 95 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:29,100 Mundanara Bayles: And there's also the princess from the 19th century is 96 00:05:29,101 --> 00:05:31,561 Mundanara Bayles: buried on one of the islands. 97 00:05:31,561 --> 00:05:33,362 Speaker 4: I didn't know that. 98 00:05:33,362 --> 00:05:33,692 Mundanara Bayles: You didn't know that. You need to Google it. 99 00:05:33,692 --> 00:05:34,441 Speaker 4: I have to Google that. 100 00:05:35,071 --> 00:05:39,930 Mundanara Bayles: So when they were bombing Darwin, they were told not 101 00:05:39,931 --> 00:05:42,360 Mundanara Bayles: to drop a bomb on Thursday Island because that's where 102 00:05:42,361 --> 00:05:45,901 Mundanara Bayles: the princess from Japan is buried. 103 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:46,350 Speaker 4: There you go. 104 00:05:46,831 --> 00:05:49,441 Mundanara Bayles: So if you ever see some of these Torres Strait 105 00:05:49,441 --> 00:05:51,361 Mundanara Bayles: mob with Japanese last names. 106 00:05:51,421 --> 00:05:52,021 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes. 107 00:05:52,321 --> 00:05:57,061 Mundanara Bayles: My nephew, my sister's son, his name is Yamakani. 108 00:05:57,691 --> 00:05:58,381 Speaker 4: With Japanese. 109 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:01,920 Mundanara Bayles: And it's Japanese. Now. Yamakani's grandfather was a Japanese man 110 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:02,910 Mundanara Bayles: from the Torres Strait. 111 00:06:03,390 --> 00:06:03,570 Speaker 4: There you go. 112 00:06:04,081 --> 00:06:07,021 Mundanara Bayles: So all these influences, when you said rice- 113 00:06:07,291 --> 00:06:07,561 Speaker 4: Yes. 114 00:06:07,561 --> 00:06:10,860 Mundanara Bayles: It. Made me think then of Japanese, maybe they brought 115 00:06:10,861 --> 00:06:15,690 Mundanara Bayles: it, but also through Sri Lanka and India, they brought 116 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:20,370 Mundanara Bayles: those divers to the Torres Strait as well for pearls. 117 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:24,961 Speaker 4: It's amazing the history that we have and culturally around 118 00:06:24,961 --> 00:06:28,351 Speaker 4: the world, the role it plays into even you and 119 00:06:28,351 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 4: I sitting here now, the amount of variables that history 120 00:06:33,361 --> 00:06:35,641 Speaker 4: had to go through for us to be here now. 121 00:06:35,641 --> 00:06:40,891 Mundanara Bayles: And just that multiculturalism in the Torres Strait. So there's all different, 122 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,891 Mundanara Bayles: even these young football players with the last names. 123 00:06:45,481 --> 00:06:45,632 Speaker 4: Yes. (inaudible) 124 00:06:46,951 --> 00:06:49,770 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. And I love the fact that here we are 125 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:54,750 Mundanara Bayles: today, we highlighting and profiling and letting the world know about your 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,060 Mundanara Bayles: beautiful homelands. 127 00:06:57,481 --> 00:06:57,632 Speaker 4: Thank you. 128 00:06:57,632 --> 00:06:59,970 Mundanara Bayles: I was just going to say quickly that the Torres Strait 129 00:06:59,970 --> 00:07:06,780 Mundanara Bayles: eight, there's been some, well, I wouldn't say advocacy around 130 00:07:06,781 --> 00:07:10,110 Mundanara Bayles: climate change and the seas rising in the Torres Strait. 131 00:07:10,741 --> 00:07:15,301 Mundanara Bayles: So your island in particular, is it Thursday Island because 132 00:07:15,301 --> 00:07:16,981 Mundanara Bayles: there's outer islands- 133 00:07:17,041 --> 00:07:17,431 Speaker 4: Correct. 134 00:07:17,431 --> 00:07:20,971 Mundanara Bayles: For people that don't know about the Torres Strait. Thursday 135 00:07:20,971 --> 00:07:23,761 Mundanara Bayles: Island is Aboriginal land or Waters, 136 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:25,921 Speaker 4: Horn Island, Thursday Island. Yes. 137 00:07:25,921 --> 00:07:27,181 Mundanara Bayles: And they are the Kaurareg people, correct? 138 00:07:27,421 --> 00:07:28,591 Speaker 4: Yes, correct. 139 00:07:29,791 --> 00:07:31,440 Mundanara Bayles: So where's your people from? There? 140 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:38,341 Speaker 4: No. So I was born on Waiben, which is Thursday Island. Badu so for 141 00:07:38,341 --> 00:07:41,341 Speaker 4: everyone listening, the star that sits in our Torres Strait 142 00:07:41,341 --> 00:07:45,030 Speaker 4: Islander flag within the headrest is a five pointer star. 143 00:07:45,331 --> 00:07:48,451 Speaker 4: And that represents the five regions of the Torres, Strait 144 00:07:48,451 --> 00:07:52,230 Speaker 4: Islands. I'm the western region, and the island I'm from 145 00:07:52,231 --> 00:07:56,731 Speaker 4: is Badu. So it's north of Thursday Island, one of 146 00:07:56,731 --> 00:07:59,371 Speaker 4: the larger islands in the Torres Straits, and that's where 147 00:07:59,371 --> 00:08:02,011 Speaker 4: I'm from. So you mentioned Nona. 148 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:02,760 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. 149 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: Ahmet is my family. They had two big families on the island. 150 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,650 Mundanara Bayles: There you go. Small world, eh? 151 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:09,481 Speaker 4: Small world. Probably related to Henry. 152 00:08:09,481 --> 00:08:12,241 Mundanara Bayles: You probably are. So I was just going to say in terms of 153 00:08:12,811 --> 00:08:16,231 Mundanara Bayles: then coming to the mainland, what age was you when 154 00:08:16,231 --> 00:08:18,031 Mundanara Bayles: you left and where did you end up? 155 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:25,020 Speaker 4: I was young. I was young. Between Southwest Queensland, which 156 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: is where I ended up and back to Badu Island. 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,161 Speaker 4: I traveled regularly between the two towns. I ended up 158 00:08:32,161 --> 00:08:37,231 Speaker 4: in a small town called Tara. So mum and dad 159 00:08:37,621 --> 00:08:41,041 Speaker 4: were on a property. There's a town called Chinchilla and 160 00:08:41,041 --> 00:08:43,140 Speaker 4: Tara and smack bang in the middle was where I 161 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:44,460 Speaker 4: grew up. 162 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:51,181 Mundanara Bayles: So when, we in terms of a people not knowing, kind of Queensland, Chinchilla's 163 00:08:51,421 --> 00:08:54,301 Mundanara Bayles: near Toowoomba, like Toowoomba going out that way. 164 00:08:54,361 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: Toowoomba, Dalby, head west. 165 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,830 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. Easy. So, Tara's a little town, 166 00:09:00,631 --> 00:09:00,632 Speaker 4: (inaudible) 167 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:05,581 Mundanara Bayles: And there's a lot of tomato picking like cotton in 168 00:09:05,581 --> 00:09:06,961 Mundanara Bayles: that hinchilla area. 169 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:07,381 Speaker 4: Cotton. 170 00:09:07,651 --> 00:09:08,221 Mundanara Bayles: It's cotton. 171 00:09:08,221 --> 00:09:11,341 Speaker 4: Cotton, not tomato, cotton, a lot of wheat country. And 172 00:09:11,341 --> 00:09:14,731 Speaker 4: then you have your cattle, sheep farming. But it's a 173 00:09:15,301 --> 00:09:18,031 Speaker 4: typical local small town. Country town. 174 00:09:18,121 --> 00:09:21,122 Mundanara Bayles: What took you to Tara from Torres Strait to Tara? 175 00:09:21,122 --> 00:09:24,601 Speaker 4: From the islands to the desert, I'll call it the desert. 176 00:09:24,601 --> 00:09:26,131 Mundanara Bayles: To the outback. 177 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,141 Speaker 4: I think it was built around this idea, and this 178 00:09:31,141 --> 00:09:35,041 Speaker 4: was 20 years ago when I reflect now to give. 179 00:09:35,371 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: I have one sibling, one younger sibling, my sister shout 180 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,571 Speaker 4: out to Kyrgyz. It was built around this idea of 181 00:09:42,571 --> 00:09:45,210 Speaker 4: opportunity. And when I think about a lot of brothers 182 00:09:45,211 --> 00:09:49,921 Speaker 4: and sisters back on the islands, beautiful untouched land sometimes 183 00:09:49,921 --> 00:09:57,991 Speaker 4: the opportunity for jobs, the opportunity for education, health. Much 184 00:09:57,991 --> 00:10:00,841 Speaker 4: of the things we see in closing the Gap report, 185 00:10:01,681 --> 00:10:03,841 Speaker 4: I think the idea was to try and provide an 186 00:10:03,841 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 4: opportunity for my sister and me and myself and mum 187 00:10:06,961 --> 00:10:10,381 Speaker 4: and dad sacrificed a move from the islands. You move 188 00:10:10,381 --> 00:10:11,071 Speaker 4: away from family, 189 00:10:11,491 --> 00:10:12,271 Mundanara Bayles: Your support system. 190 00:10:12,271 --> 00:10:12,272 Speaker 4: That's a connection. 191 00:10:12,272 --> 00:10:12,392 Mundanara Bayles: Your networks. 192 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:17,911 Speaker 4: It's a connection, yeah. You move away from that for 193 00:10:17,911 --> 00:10:23,100 Speaker 4: your children and I'm very grateful that that occurred. We 194 00:10:23,101 --> 00:10:26,220 Speaker 4: travel home regularly back up to the Straits to reconnect. 195 00:10:26,221 --> 00:10:27,060 Mundanara Bayles: Ceremonies... 196 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:27,751 Speaker 4: Of course, of course. 197 00:10:28,291 --> 00:10:28,292 Mundanara Bayles: Birthdays... 198 00:10:28,292 --> 00:10:28,682 Speaker 4: Tombstone openings... 199 00:10:29,281 --> 00:10:30,301 Mundanara Bayles: Tombstone openings. 200 00:10:32,401 --> 00:10:37,921 Speaker 4: But on reflection, I feel a little bit of sadness. 201 00:10:37,921 --> 00:10:41,101 Speaker 4: But I am grateful, really grateful for I guess my 202 00:10:41,101 --> 00:10:44,671 Speaker 4: journey in life. I'm very lucky, sis. Very lucky for 203 00:10:44,791 --> 00:10:45,391 Speaker 4: my journey. 204 00:10:45,451 --> 00:10:46,261 Mundanara Bayles: And you're a father? 205 00:10:46,831 --> 00:10:47,402 Speaker 4: I'm a father of three. 206 00:10:47,402 --> 00:10:47,762 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. 207 00:10:48,121 --> 00:10:48,872 Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. Yeah. Three boys. 208 00:10:48,872 --> 00:10:50,040 Mundanara Bayles: Don't forget that. 209 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,791 Speaker 4: Infinite energy. Three boys. I was chatting to Clint earlier 210 00:10:53,791 --> 00:10:57,901 Speaker 4: this morning about it. They're 10, eight and five. Three boys. 211 00:10:57,991 --> 00:10:59,881 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. And your partner? 212 00:11:00,451 --> 00:11:01,802 Speaker 4: My wife, yes. Happily married. 213 00:11:01,802 --> 00:11:02,252 Mundanara Bayles: Happily married. 214 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:06,570 Speaker 4: Happily married. Yeah. So of course, of course. Six, seven years coming on 215 00:11:06,571 --> 00:11:11,431 Speaker 4: eight now. And again, that builds a lot of, when 216 00:11:11,431 --> 00:11:16,411 Speaker 4: I think about my life and reflecting sis around everything 217 00:11:16,411 --> 00:11:20,551 Speaker 4: that occurred had to happen, even to the point where 218 00:11:21,270 --> 00:11:25,650 Speaker 4: I'd had so many failures and failed businesses in my 219 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:28,830 Speaker 4: voyage that needed to occur for me to have this 220 00:11:28,831 --> 00:11:32,641 Speaker 4: one successful venture. People don't see that. People don't see 221 00:11:33,451 --> 00:11:37,081 Speaker 4: the heartache and the challenges. When my wife and I 222 00:11:37,081 --> 00:11:39,181 Speaker 4: had kids, we were living paycheck to paycheck. 223 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:41,190 Mundanara Bayles: The struggle was real. 224 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:42,242 Speaker 4: The struggle was real. 225 00:11:42,242 --> 00:11:42,722 Mundanara Bayles: The hustle is real. 226 00:11:42,781 --> 00:11:45,690 Speaker 4: Hustle. You'd line up at one of the grocery stores 227 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:48,211 Speaker 4: and go, is this card going to go through? And 228 00:11:48,211 --> 00:11:48,332 Speaker 4: you tap it and it'd go through. 229 00:11:48,332 --> 00:11:52,951 Mundanara Bayles: I know I still say to my husband today, he says, 230 00:11:53,011 --> 00:11:57,511 Mundanara Bayles: it's been a while since I've had to think about 231 00:11:57,511 --> 00:12:04,080 Mundanara Bayles: that. Or look at the price of petrol before you 232 00:12:04,081 --> 00:12:10,081 Mundanara Bayles: drive a couple of suburbs or wait to midweek or something. 233 00:12:10,711 --> 00:12:14,632 Speaker 4: Hope it had drop 10 cents, save that. (inaudible) 234 00:12:14,611 --> 00:12:17,401 Mundanara Bayles: Our family and friends that are still kind of, they're 235 00:12:17,401 --> 00:12:21,360 Mundanara Bayles: in that grind. They're still hustling. So bro., tell me 236 00:12:21,361 --> 00:12:25,680 Mundanara Bayles: about maybe the first business. What age was you and 237 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,831 Mundanara Bayles: what was it that you started? I'm so interested to hear 238 00:12:29,701 --> 00:12:33,871 Speaker 4: Where do I start? Where do I start? And the entrepreneurial 239 00:12:34,711 --> 00:12:37,381 Speaker 4: bone in my body, it comes from my parents. And 240 00:12:37,381 --> 00:12:40,741 Speaker 4: again, it's about this. You see it, you believe it, 241 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:42,991 Speaker 4: you embody what you see and all of that. 242 00:12:43,051 --> 00:12:43,981 Mundanara Bayles: You become a product of your environment, 243 00:12:44,611 --> 00:12:47,041 Speaker 4: Your environment. You are the average of the five people 244 00:12:47,041 --> 00:12:52,830 Speaker 4: you hang out with most. And I knew innately within 245 00:12:52,831 --> 00:12:55,471 Speaker 4: me, all I wanted to do was own a company, 246 00:12:55,651 --> 00:12:59,131 Speaker 4: own a business, be a leader. And when I say 247 00:12:59,131 --> 00:13:01,381 Speaker 4: leader, that's not something you just arrive at and go, I'm 248 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:03,931 Speaker 4: a leader. It's something that's always evolving and you have 249 00:13:03,931 --> 00:13:09,570 Speaker 4: to work on it. I didn't know what, I didn't 250 00:13:09,571 --> 00:13:13,500 Speaker 4: know where to start. I just had to start. And 251 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:15,570 Speaker 4: some of the ideas I had, I mean, I tried 252 00:13:15,571 --> 00:13:20,580 Speaker 4: my hand at social media, what is it? Social media- 253 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:21,691 Mundanara Bayles: Like digital marketing and stuff. Yeah. 254 00:13:21,691 --> 00:13:25,531 Speaker 4: But the social media entrepreneurs, or there's a term for 255 00:13:25,531 --> 00:13:25,981 Speaker 4: them now, 256 00:13:25,981 --> 00:13:26,611 Mundanara Bayles: Influencers. 257 00:13:26,611 --> 00:13:30,391 Speaker 4: Influencer! I tried my hand at a social media influencer. 258 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:35,551 Speaker 4: I hated it. I had to do a live video blog every 259 00:13:35,551 --> 00:13:37,501 Speaker 4: day and every day I dreaded it. 260 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:41,041 Mundanara Bayles: I've never done a live video blog, but hey, there's 261 00:13:41,041 --> 00:13:43,470 Mundanara Bayles: people out there that are making some pretty good money. 262 00:13:43,681 --> 00:13:45,661 Speaker 4: It works. There's an industry. 263 00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:49,832 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, live video blogs and promoting products and stuff. So you had a go at that? 264 00:13:49,832 --> 00:13:55,651 Speaker 4: How to go at that. The fitness. I mean the fitness, for me, it was 265 00:13:55,711 --> 00:13:58,351 Speaker 4: built around health and wellbeing for mob. We know that 266 00:13:59,161 --> 00:14:01,201 Speaker 4: there's a lot of work to be done. So then 267 00:14:01,201 --> 00:14:04,111 Speaker 4: I tried my hand at PT. I think everyone kind 268 00:14:04,111 --> 00:14:06,630 Speaker 4: of goes down that path. Cert two, cert three, cert 269 00:14:06,631 --> 00:14:07,171 Speaker 4: four, whatever. 270 00:14:07,171 --> 00:14:10,440 Mundanara Bayles: Got into it. Thought, thought I could probably do this. And then 271 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,551 Mundanara Bayles: which way did you end up doing it? 272 00:14:12,271 --> 00:14:14,971 Speaker 4: I did my certs and then again, it was kind 273 00:14:14,971 --> 00:14:17,431 Speaker 4: of, I wanted to do it so I could just 274 00:14:17,431 --> 00:14:17,971 Speaker 4: be in the gym. 275 00:14:18,331 --> 00:14:18,661 Mundanara Bayles: Of course. Why not? 276 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,621 Speaker 4: Why not try and market it. So then that was 277 00:14:22,621 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: a failed venture, or should I say a learned- A 278 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: learning. A learning venture. 279 00:14:27,781 --> 00:14:28,081 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. 280 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,631 Speaker 4: Then after that, I went to selling hats. 281 00:14:31,321 --> 00:14:31,831 Mundanara Bayles: Stop. 282 00:14:31,861 --> 00:14:33,361 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Crazy. Hey, 283 00:14:33,361 --> 00:14:34,381 Mundanara Bayles: Selling hats. 284 00:14:34,681 --> 00:14:40,741 Speaker 4: You know why? Because I loved wearing the American sporting 285 00:14:40,741 --> 00:14:43,081 Speaker 4: hat and merch. That's why. 286 00:14:43,111 --> 00:14:45,510 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. How long are we going back now? 287 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:53,611 Speaker 4: Oh geez. We're talking 2012, 2013. What I learned from 288 00:14:53,611 --> 00:14:57,121 Speaker 4: that though is that all the hats I would stock 289 00:14:57,121 --> 00:15:02,130 Speaker 4: were the hats I loved. Not the market, it wasn't 290 00:15:02,131 --> 00:15:04,500 Speaker 4: what the market wanted, but I liked them. I liked 291 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:05,851 Speaker 4: them. And then all of a sudden I noticed, I went, 292 00:15:06,271 --> 00:15:07,922 Speaker 4: geez, I've got all this stock and I can't move it. 293 00:15:07,922 --> 00:15:08,042 Mundanara Bayles: I can. 294 00:15:08,611 --> 00:15:12,270 Speaker 4: And then each failure, but I'll call learnings. Then taught 295 00:15:12,270 --> 00:15:19,110 Speaker 4: me something. Your stock, your wholesale price, your retail, your 296 00:15:19,111 --> 00:15:20,131 Speaker 4: sale price and all that. 297 00:15:20,131 --> 00:15:25,831 Mundanara Bayles: But learning about the market and doing that research, I 298 00:15:27,061 --> 00:15:29,371 Mundanara Bayles: started a business and I didn't do no research at 299 00:15:29,371 --> 00:15:34,021 Mundanara Bayles: all, right? Started this podcast without doing any research. And 300 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Mundanara Bayles: we recorded one episode, or we released an episode every 301 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,491 Mundanara Bayles: day. When we first launched Black Magic Woman, we released 302 00:15:41,551 --> 00:15:44,101 Mundanara Bayles: one episode a day and we did 21 days straight. 303 00:15:44,731 --> 00:15:46,621 Mundanara Bayles: And someone said to me, you know you don't need 304 00:15:46,621 --> 00:15:49,290 Mundanara Bayles: to drop an episode every day? And they don't need to 305 00:15:49,291 --> 00:15:52,591 Mundanara Bayles: be an hour long. And I was like, well, we 306 00:15:52,711 --> 00:15:55,981 Mundanara Bayles: are in lockdown. What else can I do? So I 307 00:15:55,981 --> 00:15:59,941 Mundanara Bayles: learnt the industry over time and got better. And now 308 00:15:59,941 --> 00:16:04,381 Mundanara Bayles: we drop weekly. Sometimes I do fortnightly, get people to 309 00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:08,730 Mundanara Bayles: kind of look forward to the next episode, and then 310 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:10,350 Mundanara Bayles: we cut them a bit shorter because we don't really 311 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:12,690 Mundanara Bayles: need to talk for a whole hour. And I've actually 312 00:16:12,690 --> 00:16:14,730 Mundanara Bayles: been able to save money in cost in terms of 313 00:16:14,731 --> 00:16:16,531 Mundanara Bayles: production. Right. 314 00:16:16,531 --> 00:16:16,831 Speaker 5: Resources. 315 00:16:16,831 --> 00:16:24,661 Mundanara Bayles: There you go. You can learn on the go or you can have a go and still keep 316 00:16:24,661 --> 00:16:27,151 Mundanara Bayles: trying. So you went from hats to? 317 00:16:27,181 --> 00:16:34,860 Speaker 4: Hats. And everything I did there's two, I'm laughing. 318 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:36,121 Mundanara Bayles: You haven't thought about this for a long time, have you? 319 00:16:36,121 --> 00:16:40,081 Speaker 4: I haven't. I have not. And it's on reflect, you know how mob go? We 320 00:16:40,081 --> 00:16:44,791 Speaker 4: go, sis. There's this interconnectedness through physical wellbeing, mental wellbeing, 321 00:16:44,791 --> 00:16:50,550 Speaker 4: spiritual wellbeing. Reflection is a big part of our pausing 322 00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:53,130 Speaker 4: and stopping and understanding how we got from point A 323 00:16:53,131 --> 00:16:58,411 Speaker 4: to point B. I am laughing inside so loud. Some 324 00:16:58,411 --> 00:17:00,241 Speaker 4: of the videos I did, I had friends text me 325 00:17:00,241 --> 00:17:02,431 Speaker 4: saying, are you for real? What are you doing? I 326 00:17:02,431 --> 00:17:05,190 Speaker 4: was like, oh, I can't, I can't do it. I just can't 327 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:06,961 Speaker 4: keep doing it. The live post- 328 00:17:07,441 --> 00:17:10,740 Mundanara Bayles: That's where the honesty, right? If you want to try 329 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:13,320 Mundanara Bayles: something, talk to your mates and get your feedback from 330 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,991 Mundanara Bayles: your mates. There's your research, right? 331 00:17:15,991 --> 00:17:19,380 Speaker 4: Do it. Yes. Yeah. See, I'll just do a live post 332 00:17:19,381 --> 00:17:20,491 Speaker 4: and see who responds to it, 333 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,890 Mundanara Bayles: How many people are liking it. 334 00:17:22,890 --> 00:17:27,990 Speaker 4: I know. Nerve wracking every time. But sorry. So running 335 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:33,391 Speaker 4: in parallel to my failed ventures and businesses. 336 00:17:33,931 --> 00:17:34,591 Mundanara Bayles: Your learnings. 337 00:17:34,771 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: Your learnings. Sorry. My learnings was I guess the education 338 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: piece that I had to go through. So I had 339 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: jobs. We all have jobs. I think we've all, at 340 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,301 Speaker 4: some point in time you graduate from high school or 341 00:17:48,301 --> 00:17:51,750 Speaker 4: school and you go, oh, it's the real world and you 342 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:53,071 Speaker 4: may not have to get up at 6: 00 AM 343 00:17:53,071 --> 00:17:56,431 Speaker 4: to start work and I have to start paying rent. 344 00:17:56,461 --> 00:17:59,911 Speaker 4: I have to do that. These are what my parents 345 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 4: taught me around resilience, tenacity, confidence, and just the life 346 00:18:04,801 --> 00:18:07,590 Speaker 4: fundamentals. It's a real smack in the face. Hey. 347 00:18:07,711 --> 00:18:09,301 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. That we don't learn at school though. 348 00:18:09,391 --> 00:18:10,651 Speaker 4: No, we don't learn that at school. 349 00:18:11,671 --> 00:18:14,341 Mundanara Bayles: And in some home environments, we're not even learning that at home. 350 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:15,001 Speaker 4: Yes, correct. 351 00:18:15,001 --> 00:18:19,411 Mundanara Bayles: Especially for Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander young people and our history in this 352 00:18:19,411 --> 00:18:22,110 Mundanara Bayles: country where we've been kind of locked out of the 353 00:18:22,111 --> 00:18:29,581 Mundanara Bayles: economy and excluded from society because of policies. So education, 354 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:33,660 Mundanara Bayles: the focus and my mum and dad were very big 355 00:18:33,661 --> 00:18:37,140 Mundanara Bayles: on finishing year 12. You've got to get to year 12. You've got 356 00:18:37,140 --> 00:18:39,631 Mundanara Bayles: to finish year 12. If you don't go to university, 357 00:18:39,631 --> 00:18:42,571 Mundanara Bayles: that's okay. But it was always this big emphasis on 358 00:18:42,571 --> 00:18:46,081 Mundanara Bayles: finishing school. And for a lot of non- Indigenous listeners, 359 00:18:46,231 --> 00:18:49,621 Mundanara Bayles: a lot of people don't think that as Aboriginal people 360 00:18:49,621 --> 00:18:53,760 Mundanara Bayles: and as an Aboriginal mother, we've got the same expectations, 361 00:18:53,761 --> 00:18:57,990 Mundanara Bayles: if not higher expectations and standards for our kids because 362 00:18:57,990 --> 00:19:03,601 Mundanara Bayles: of that. Such a long time in our country's history 363 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:08,011 Mundanara Bayles: that we have been excluded. So for some of us 364 00:19:08,011 --> 00:19:09,690 Mundanara Bayles: that have been fortunate enough to have a mum and 365 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:14,461 Mundanara Bayles: dad being able to access opportunities and to also support 366 00:19:14,461 --> 00:19:18,421 Mundanara Bayles: us to get through school and if we can get 367 00:19:18,421 --> 00:19:22,530 Mundanara Bayles: to university, even deadlier, it's not for all of us. 368 00:19:22,951 --> 00:19:23,642 Mundanara Bayles: So did you go to uni? 369 00:19:23,642 --> 00:19:26,101 Speaker 5: I did. I didn't finish. 370 00:19:26,161 --> 00:19:30,600 Mundanara Bayles: No, I'm going to graduate this year. 371 00:19:30,631 --> 00:19:31,051 Speaker 5: Good. 372 00:19:31,111 --> 00:19:33,871 Mundanara Bayles: With a grad cert instead of the masters. 373 00:19:33,871 --> 00:19:34,321 Speaker 5: Yes. 374 00:19:34,321 --> 00:19:36,151 Mundanara Bayles: But I know that I can always go back and do 375 00:19:36,151 --> 00:19:40,951 Mundanara Bayles: those two extra subjects. But I'm 40 and now doing a 376 00:19:40,951 --> 00:19:44,341 Mundanara Bayles: university degree, so it's not too late for some of us. 377 00:19:44,341 --> 00:19:48,750 Speaker 5: No, no, no. It is never late. And my goal is to 378 00:19:48,750 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 5: one day finish uni. Not yet. 379 00:19:51,061 --> 00:19:51,690 Mundanara Bayles: What'd you study? 380 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:52,441 Speaker 4: Not yet. Finance. 381 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:52,442 Mundanara Bayles: Okay. 382 00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:58,981 Speaker 4: Finance. Yeah. There's a theme here with ANZ. I applied 383 00:19:58,981 --> 00:20:02,851 Speaker 4: my trade in the financial institution. From there I moved 384 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:06,451 Speaker 4: into the government space and I was working for the 385 00:20:06,451 --> 00:20:13,231 Speaker 4: federal government around business analyst work investments, private equities, mergers 386 00:20:13,231 --> 00:20:16,831 Speaker 4: and acquisitions. That gave me the fundamentals of business. So 387 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:22,290 Speaker 4: when I share the learnings and the fact that- what's 388 00:20:22,291 --> 00:20:23,460 Speaker 4: another word for failed business? 389 00:20:24,091 --> 00:20:24,600 Mundanara Bayles: Challenges. 390 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:32,161 Speaker 4: Challenges, businesses that didn't work. I can't explain it sis. 391 00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:36,721 Speaker 4: This part I can't explain. I knew my whole life 392 00:20:36,721 --> 00:20:38,310 Speaker 4: what I wanted to do. That was to own a 393 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:40,291 Speaker 4: business and a company. I didn't know what it was 394 00:20:40,291 --> 00:20:43,380 Speaker 4: or where it was going to be situated. There was 395 00:20:43,381 --> 00:20:46,231 Speaker 4: a point in my life where I remember distinctly so 396 00:20:46,231 --> 00:20:50,490 Speaker 4: vividly laying in bed going, Jack, and this was after 397 00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:56,161 Speaker 4: another failed learning venture. You've done it. At least you can say 398 00:20:56,161 --> 00:21:00,631 Speaker 4: you've tried. Just put it to bed. Do your full- 399 00:21:00,631 --> 00:21:04,290 Speaker 4: time job now, and just be good at it. Enjoy 400 00:21:04,291 --> 00:21:07,290 Speaker 4: your rest. You tried it. So yeah. And it was 401 00:21:07,291 --> 00:21:12,481 Speaker 4: almost like this. The second I let it go, it's 402 00:21:12,841 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: the universe and the attraction of what I wanted to 403 00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: do landed in my lap, just bang. And after I 404 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,010 Speaker 4: told everyone, including my wife, who is one of my 405 00:21:23,011 --> 00:21:24,241 Speaker 4: hugest supporters, by the way. 406 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:24,242 Mundanara Bayles: Of course. 407 00:21:24,242 --> 00:21:26,820 Speaker 4: But when I told her, she was like, okay, well that's cool. 408 00:21:26,821 --> 00:21:30,121 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just get on with it. This opportunity lands 409 00:21:30,121 --> 00:21:32,070 Speaker 4: on my lap. And I'm like, oh hey, you know 410 00:21:32,071 --> 00:21:34,441 Speaker 4: how I said I wasn't going to chase this in, put that 411 00:21:34,441 --> 00:21:40,561 Speaker 4: to back. Something's come up and I'm back. Yeah, I'm back. I'm back baby, I'm back. 412 00:21:40,561 --> 00:21:43,201 Mundanara Bayles: The Entrepreneur is at it again. 413 00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:44,281 Speaker 4: I know. 414 00:21:44,311 --> 00:21:45,961 Mundanara Bayles: Was it Baidam Solutions? 415 00:21:46,081 --> 00:21:46,891 Speaker 4: Baidam Solutions. 416 00:21:47,071 --> 00:21:48,631 Mundanara Bayles: What is this business? Tell us about it. 417 00:21:50,401 --> 00:21:54,450 Speaker 4: We are a cybersecurity consultancy. A First Nations- owned, led, 418 00:21:54,451 --> 00:22:01,021 Speaker 4: and run cybersecurity consultancy. And you said Sis before our 419 00:22:01,021 --> 00:22:04,860 Speaker 4: ability and access to the market where typically we are 420 00:22:04,861 --> 00:22:11,461 Speaker 4: shut out early on in our business venture. It was challenging. 421 00:22:12,871 --> 00:22:12,872 Mundanara Bayles: I can imagine. 422 00:22:12,872 --> 00:22:17,911 Speaker 4: Yeah. In theory, you've got this great idea. Indigenous procurement 423 00:22:17,911 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: policies, reconciliation action plans. If we are in a blue ocean 424 00:22:22,381 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: strategy mindset thinking we should be able to win business 425 00:22:25,801 --> 00:22:27,510 Speaker 4: straight away, that wasn't the case. 426 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,250 Mundanara Bayles: Even though you're a black business, people think, well, you 427 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:39,240 Mundanara Bayles: must get all this support and grants and free money 428 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,151 Mundanara Bayles: from the government. That's one of the biggest myths and 429 00:22:42,151 --> 00:22:45,301 Mundanara Bayles: misconceptions I've got to deal with every day. Talking to non- 430 00:22:45,301 --> 00:22:50,160 Mundanara Bayles: Aboriginal people on the plane, in an Uber, about being 431 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,791 Mundanara Bayles: a successful black business. And success means that for me, 432 00:22:53,791 --> 00:22:56,371 Mundanara Bayles: success is the fact that I've been able to buy 433 00:22:56,671 --> 00:22:58,711 Mundanara Bayles: a house. That to me was like, if I can 434 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:01,621 Mundanara Bayles: buy a house and I've made it right for me, that 435 00:23:01,621 --> 00:23:07,890 Mundanara Bayles: was my kind of definition of success. For you starting 436 00:23:07,891 --> 00:23:12,330 Mundanara Bayles: this company. And now how many years are you in 437 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:13,830 Mundanara Bayles: business? How many years has it been? 438 00:23:13,831 --> 00:23:14,371 Speaker 5: Six years. 439 00:23:14,431 --> 00:23:17,431 Mundanara Bayles: Six years. So you would say that it's a mature business now? 440 00:23:17,671 --> 00:23:17,971 Speaker 5: Yeah, 441 00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:19,632 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, of course. Yeah. (inaudible) 442 00:23:20,551 --> 00:23:23,851 Speaker 4: Yeah. We've overcome the odds of, was it 80% of 443 00:23:24,091 --> 00:23:25,471 Speaker 4: small to medium enterprises fail, 444 00:23:25,471 --> 00:23:26,161 Mundanara Bayles: Sat down in the first three years. 445 00:23:26,161 --> 00:23:29,251 Speaker 4: Two, three years. Yeah. So we've overcome, we traded through 446 00:23:29,251 --> 00:23:32,101 Speaker 4: COVID and we are proudly free of any government grant. 447 00:23:33,481 --> 00:23:35,911 Mundanara Bayles: There you go. I must say I did apply for the COVID 448 00:23:35,911 --> 00:23:38,581 Mundanara Bayles: grant and I kept all my staff on my books. 449 00:23:38,581 --> 00:23:42,121 Mundanara Bayles: Not one person. We had nothing to do though. Right? 450 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:44,970 Mundanara Bayles: So starting a podcast, I was like, okay, well now you can work 451 00:23:44,971 --> 00:23:47,671 Mundanara Bayles: on getting guests for the podcast as your admin hours. 452 00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:50,131 Mundanara Bayles: So I was able to pivot my business model from 453 00:23:50,131 --> 00:23:55,081 Mundanara Bayles: consulting and training to podcasting to then keep my staff 454 00:23:55,081 --> 00:23:59,730 Mundanara Bayles: still today through those hard times and not get rid 455 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:03,900 Mundanara Bayles: of anyone. But you are in cyber security. So tell 456 00:24:03,901 --> 00:24:08,701 Mundanara Bayles: us in terms of how did you or first congratulations 457 00:24:08,701 --> 00:24:14,130 Mundanara Bayles: on winning the Inaugural, right, Supply Nation Indigenous Entrepreneur of 458 00:24:14,131 --> 00:24:15,061 Mundanara Bayles: the Year award. 459 00:24:15,571 --> 00:24:15,691 Speaker 4: Thank you. 460 00:24:15,691 --> 00:24:17,131 Mundanara Bayles: That was pretty deadly in 2022. 461 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:20,910 Speaker 4: Can I say congratulations to you as well? 2023. 462 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:21,361 Mundanara Bayles: Thank you very much. 463 00:24:21,361 --> 00:24:21,631 Speaker 4: Yes. 464 00:24:22,981 --> 00:24:26,161 Mundanara Bayles: It's not easy. These award nominations. It's not. There's a lot of 465 00:24:26,161 --> 00:24:26,762 Mundanara Bayles: work that goes into it. 466 00:24:26,762 --> 00:24:26,822 Speaker 4: A lot. A lot. 467 00:24:27,691 --> 00:24:35,310 Mundanara Bayles: The preparation and all the evidence. There's a whole lot of things that you need to do to demonstrate 468 00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:40,381 Mundanara Bayles: or meet the criteria. So in terms of, how do 469 00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:43,111 Mundanara Bayles: you run your business at cyber security, do you work 470 00:24:43,111 --> 00:24:45,091 Mundanara Bayles: from home or you got an office? A bit of both. 471 00:24:45,091 --> 00:24:45,150 Speaker 4: Yeah, a bit of both. 472 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:45,840 Mundanara Bayles: Bit of both. You got an office? 473 00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:49,020 Speaker 4: Bit of both. Travel plays a role in that as 474 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:51,961 Speaker 4: well. Yes. So you have to be nimble. You take a laptop, 475 00:24:52,111 --> 00:24:53,010 Speaker 4: you can work on a plane. 476 00:24:53,490 --> 00:24:54,120 Mundanara Bayles: You can do your work anywhere. 477 00:24:54,661 --> 00:24:54,990 Speaker 4: Anywhere. 478 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:55,440 Mundanara Bayles: Which is good. 479 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,550 Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly. 480 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,361 Mundanara Bayles: And how big is your team? 481 00:24:57,361 --> 00:25:00,361 Speaker 4: So we have 35 staff. 482 00:25:00,451 --> 00:25:00,990 Mundanara Bayles: Far out. 483 00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:03,571 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. If you want to include our contractors right about- 484 00:25:03,571 --> 00:25:04,052 Mundanara Bayles: Of course. That's your payroll. 485 00:25:04,052 --> 00:25:04,053 Speaker 4: Yeah. 70 people. 486 00:25:04,053 --> 00:25:08,371 Mundanara Bayles: 70 people on your books. 487 00:25:09,181 --> 00:25:11,881 Speaker 4: Started with two from the lobby of the Hilton in Brisbane. 488 00:25:12,661 --> 00:25:16,410 Mundanara Bayles: I love the lobby. Mine- literally my first meetings were 489 00:25:16,410 --> 00:25:17,881 Mundanara Bayles: at the coffee club at Cannon Hill. 490 00:25:17,941 --> 00:25:18,781 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 491 00:25:18,781 --> 00:25:20,821 Mundanara Bayles: And all my meetings because I had no office. 492 00:25:20,881 --> 00:25:21,451 Speaker 4: Exactly. 493 00:25:21,451 --> 00:25:22,530 Mundanara Bayles: So you're in the lobby at the Hilton? 494 00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:23,731 Speaker 4: Lobby of the Hilton. 495 00:25:23,851 --> 00:25:24,660 Mundanara Bayles: I love this 496 00:25:24,661 --> 00:25:28,590 Speaker 4: Because we are a black business business. Business doesn't discriminate, doesn't 497 00:25:28,591 --> 00:25:31,830 Speaker 4: care for the colour of your skin. So again, my 498 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:36,661 Speaker 4: journey in my learnings and also my job, my job 499 00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:40,321 Speaker 4: and I guess education gave me the fundamentals of business. 500 00:25:40,321 --> 00:25:44,461 Speaker 4: Understanding cash flow, understanding the ATO. You have to do 501 00:25:44,461 --> 00:25:47,011 Speaker 4: your BAS. You have to do your IAS and pay your 502 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:47,700 Speaker 4: tax bill. 503 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,970 Mundanara Bayles: You have to have, otherwise you're not going to last. You're going to get shut down. 504 00:25:52,771 --> 00:25:54,811 Speaker 4: You do not want the ATO coming after you, pay 505 00:25:54,811 --> 00:25:55,351 Speaker 4: the bills. 506 00:25:55,891 --> 00:25:57,780 Mundanara Bayles: Pay the bills. Get a good accountant. 507 00:25:58,051 --> 00:25:59,940 Speaker 4: A good accountant. Yes. Make sure you get a good 508 00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:00,751 Speaker 4: accountant. You have to. 509 00:26:00,751 --> 00:26:00,811 Mundanara Bayles: Get a good accountant. 510 00:26:01,531 --> 00:26:05,820 Speaker 4: Yes, that knows accounting and bookkeeping helps. 511 00:26:06,091 --> 00:26:09,241 Mundanara Bayles: Definitely helps. I know your numbers and it's been a 512 00:26:09,241 --> 00:26:11,520 Mundanara Bayles: journey for me to even take interest in my balance 513 00:26:11,521 --> 00:26:14,941 Mundanara Bayles: sheet and my P& L. But you know what? Over 514 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:16,951 Mundanara Bayles: the years I'm starting to go, hey, we spent more 515 00:26:16,951 --> 00:26:20,940 Mundanara Bayles: the last quarter, this quarter, but I didn't study business. 516 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:24,120 Mundanara Bayles: I didn't have any, I would say I didn't have 517 00:26:24,121 --> 00:26:28,500 Mundanara Bayles: a passion to be in business. It just accidentally happened. 518 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:28,501 Speaker 5: Exactly. 519 00:26:28,501 --> 00:26:33,181 Mundanara Bayles: And I ended up in business and now I've been 520 00:26:33,181 --> 00:26:35,701 Mundanara Bayles: able to employ mob and I've been able to kind 521 00:26:35,701 --> 00:26:38,461 Mundanara Bayles: of do other things like being in business gives you 522 00:26:38,461 --> 00:26:42,331 Mundanara Bayles: that financial freedom to maybe fund a side hustle like 523 00:26:42,331 --> 00:26:43,230 Mundanara Bayles: a podcast. 524 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:43,950 Speaker 5: Yes. 525 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:46,831 Mundanara Bayles: Love it. So I've been lucky to do something that I love. 526 00:26:46,831 --> 00:26:47,521 Speaker 5: We're so similar. 527 00:26:47,671 --> 00:26:50,371 Mundanara Bayles: It doesn't make money, but it's okay because it's an 528 00:26:50,371 --> 00:26:53,401 Mundanara Bayles: opportunity for me to have a yarn with someone like 529 00:26:53,401 --> 00:26:57,990 Mundanara Bayles: you and for people like ANZ to see the value 530 00:26:58,621 --> 00:27:04,381 Mundanara Bayles: of partnering with Black Magic Woman and showcasing black excellence. 531 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,041 Mundanara Bayles: So tell me now, you won a contract, a multi- 532 00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:09,300 Mundanara Bayles: year contract with ANZ. 533 00:27:09,631 --> 00:27:10,471 Speaker 4: Multi- year contract. 534 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:14,701 Mundanara Bayles: And you what? Provide cybersecurity software? Yeah. 535 00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:16,831 Speaker 4: Yeah. Spot on. That's it. 536 00:27:16,831 --> 00:27:17,431 Mundanara Bayles: To a bank? 537 00:27:17,431 --> 00:27:18,630 Speaker 4: To a bank. To a bank to, yeah. I got to pause and think about that because when you say to a bank... 538 00:27:27,421 --> 00:27:31,980 Mundanara Bayles: That's massive. That's not easy. This is global. It's breaking all 539 00:27:31,980 --> 00:27:40,411 Mundanara Bayles: these just stereotypes about what black fellas have done, achieved, 540 00:27:40,771 --> 00:27:44,911 Mundanara Bayles: how much we have contributed to this beautiful country that's 541 00:27:44,911 --> 00:27:48,091 Mundanara Bayles: now known as Australia, and how much we contribute back 542 00:27:48,091 --> 00:27:50,821 Mundanara Bayles: to our community, our families. 543 00:27:50,821 --> 00:27:51,271 Speaker 5: Of course, 544 00:27:51,541 --> 00:27:55,231 Mundanara Bayles: We're keeping our culture alive within how we do business 545 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,550 Mundanara Bayles: as well. 546 00:27:56,821 --> 00:27:59,431 Speaker 5: There's a ripple effect since that goes back to community. 547 00:27:59,521 --> 00:28:03,451 Speaker 5: Now think about cyber security. Think about one of the 548 00:28:03,451 --> 00:28:07,531 Speaker 5: world's oldest living cultures. We were the first threat hunters. 549 00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:15,210 Speaker 5: You apply storytelling and then put that into context of 550 00:28:15,211 --> 00:28:18,451 Speaker 5: cyber education is a huge part of don't click the 551 00:28:18,451 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: link that looks suspicious. If you click that, you'll give 552 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,030 Speaker 5: access to the hackers or the bad people trying to 553 00:28:24,031 --> 00:28:29,850 Speaker 5: get what they want. Data. The principles on which Baidam 554 00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:33,900 Speaker 5: Solutions is founded on and built on is built around 555 00:28:33,901 --> 00:28:41,701 Speaker 5: first Nations principles because we already have this innate understanding 556 00:28:41,701 --> 00:28:44,161 Speaker 5: to protect our land and country. Now apply that to 557 00:28:44,161 --> 00:28:49,981 Speaker 5: cyber protect Australia's data and digital resources and cyber is 558 00:28:49,981 --> 00:28:54,241 Speaker 5: an evolving landscape. It will be here for a while 559 00:28:54,481 --> 00:28:59,311 Speaker 5: and it'll always be evolving. So the idea around Baidam 560 00:28:59,311 --> 00:29:03,990 Speaker 5: solutions was to not only be a capable solution provider 561 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,981 Speaker 5: and we want to be assessed on capability and our 562 00:29:07,981 --> 00:29:13,981 Speaker 5: merit. And when you think about ANZ, a bank, we 563 00:29:13,981 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: have to go through any other supplier or any other 564 00:29:19,501 --> 00:29:22,321 Speaker 5: provider to ANZ. We have to go through that procurement 565 00:29:22,321 --> 00:29:25,291 Speaker 5: process. Do you have your insurances? Do you have your 566 00:29:25,291 --> 00:29:29,010 Speaker 5: policies? Do you have your OHS? What about this? What 567 00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:31,411 Speaker 5: if your breached, what if they're breached? What if our 568 00:29:31,411 --> 00:29:33,241 Speaker 5: suppliers are breached? What do you have in place? What's 569 00:29:33,241 --> 00:29:36,571 Speaker 5: your business continuity plan? There's so much to go through 570 00:29:36,571 --> 00:29:37,110 Speaker 5: and we- 571 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:40,081 Mundanara Bayles: Oh, that the kind of risk mitigation because it's a bank. 572 00:29:40,771 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 5: 100%. It is a bank, when you think about the 573 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,141 Speaker 5: blue logo, it's a commodity. Everyone knows that blue ANZ 574 00:29:49,231 --> 00:29:55,141 Speaker 5: logo is ANZ. So who are they partnering with to 575 00:29:55,141 --> 00:29:57,721 Speaker 5: ensure that their brand is not damaged in any way? 576 00:29:57,871 --> 00:30:01,350 Mundanara Bayles: Of course. And they have a lot of customers, and we're both 577 00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:05,311 Mundanara Bayles: customers. Exactly. We bank with them. They look after my 578 00:30:05,311 --> 00:30:11,341 Mundanara Bayles: business needs. They've got deadly indigenous business bankers now that 579 00:30:11,341 --> 00:30:13,501 Mundanara Bayles: look after me. I'm ringing a black fellla. 580 00:30:14,701 --> 00:30:16,381 Speaker 5: Their indigenous small banking services. 581 00:30:16,831 --> 00:30:19,321 Mundanara Bayles: I'm ringing a black fella now in Yarning when my 582 00:30:19,321 --> 00:30:23,251 Mundanara Bayles: business banker was at Maroochydore. She's a deadly white woman. 583 00:30:23,551 --> 00:30:26,071 Mundanara Bayles: But now I can ring a black fella and say, 584 00:30:26,071 --> 00:30:29,401 Mundanara Bayles: look, I'm having a bit of a tough time here. 585 00:30:29,401 --> 00:30:32,791 Mundanara Bayles: I've just got through Christmas. It was very quiet. Can 586 00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:36,331 Mundanara Bayles: you give me some options? What are my options? So 587 00:30:36,451 --> 00:30:39,091 Mundanara Bayles: just to know that I've got them there for me 588 00:30:39,091 --> 00:30:43,981 Mundanara Bayles: is, I honestly feel like I'm not alone. 589 00:30:44,191 --> 00:30:45,001 Speaker 5: Yep, agreed. 590 00:30:45,061 --> 00:30:48,120 Mundanara Bayles: I'm not alone. Even though I'm the sole owner of 591 00:30:48,571 --> 00:30:52,051 Mundanara Bayles: the black card, but I'm not alone. I can ring 592 00:30:52,051 --> 00:30:55,862 Mundanara Bayles: them and ask them about anything, right? 593 00:30:55,862 --> 00:30:56,192 Speaker 5: Yes. 594 00:30:56,551 --> 00:31:00,511 Mundanara Bayles: And I don't feel, don't feel judged. I don't feel shamed. 595 00:31:00,691 --> 00:31:01,201 Speaker 5: You shouldn't. 596 00:31:01,201 --> 00:31:05,611 Mundanara Bayles: And to know that I don't understand banking, financial terminology 597 00:31:05,611 --> 00:31:08,671 Mundanara Bayles: and language and stuff like that. So sometimes we kind 598 00:31:08,671 --> 00:31:10,740 Mundanara Bayles: of don't know how to speak to people because we 599 00:31:10,741 --> 00:31:13,891 Mundanara Bayles: feel like it's just not our language. 600 00:31:13,921 --> 00:31:19,141 Speaker 5: No. Reach out. Hey. You know what I mean? If you're yarnin, what help you got? That's 601 00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:22,111 Speaker 5: what I need. Don't. Just explain it to me like 602 00:31:22,111 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 5: I'm a ten- year- old back in school. What do 603 00:31:26,641 --> 00:31:28,770 Speaker 5: you need from me to help get whatever it is 604 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:29,730 Speaker 5: I need for the business? 605 00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:30,931 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. 606 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:35,911 Speaker 5: Entrepreneurs, there's a different way of thinking. You don't want 607 00:31:35,911 --> 00:31:39,601 Speaker 5: to be bombarded or tied down with jargon. And that's 608 00:31:39,601 --> 00:31:42,391 Speaker 5: across all industries, not just banking. It could be legal, 609 00:31:42,391 --> 00:31:49,081 Speaker 5: it can be whatever. But when I mentioned the indigenous 610 00:31:49,081 --> 00:31:55,171 Speaker 5: small banking services and the easy- to- understand language when 611 00:31:55,171 --> 00:31:57,032 Speaker 5: it's mob, talking to mob to understand that. 612 00:31:57,032 --> 00:31:58,231 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, just talk to me normal. 613 00:31:58,231 --> 00:32:02,011 Speaker 4: Just yarn words. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Just yarn to me. Hey, that's too 614 00:32:02,011 --> 00:32:03,210 Speaker 4: big that word. Go back. 615 00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:06,511 Mundanara Bayles: So how's it been working with ANZ? Tell us, is 616 00:32:06,511 --> 00:32:09,660 Mundanara Bayles: there things for a lot of our mob that you just want to 617 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:13,110 Mundanara Bayles: say, Hey, do I don't know? Any learnings, anything in 618 00:32:13,111 --> 00:32:14,012 Mundanara Bayles: particular that you want to mention or thank or acknowledge? 619 00:32:14,012 --> 00:32:22,980 Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay. So there's a few. Yes, of course there is. There's 620 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:27,061 Speaker 5: always people to acknowledge who have helped me along my 621 00:32:27,061 --> 00:32:32,491 Speaker 5: way. Businesses to acknowledge who understand the value proposition, the 622 00:32:32,491 --> 00:32:36,841 Speaker 5: what we do. That's no question. The capability and the 623 00:32:36,841 --> 00:32:39,211 Speaker 5: merits, but the why we do it, that's why we 624 00:32:39,211 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 5: exist. And customers such as ANZ Bank, you understand that 625 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,051 Speaker 5: value proposition, that ethos of the organization. For anyone out 626 00:32:49,051 --> 00:32:55,590 Speaker 5: there who's looking to start a business, be tenacious, believe 627 00:32:55,591 --> 00:32:57,750 Speaker 5: in yourself. It is a belief system. I mean, one 628 00:32:57,751 --> 00:32:59,911 Speaker 5: of the things we do Sis at Baidam Solutions, we're 629 00:32:59,911 --> 00:33:03,660 Speaker 5: trying to open the world of possibilities into cybersecurity. Our 630 00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:09,271 Speaker 5: mob, we have plenty of sports stars, role models in 631 00:33:09,271 --> 00:33:12,061 Speaker 5: the media that we aspire to. I mean, I was part of 632 00:33:12,361 --> 00:33:16,831 Speaker 5: that mindset. I wanted to be an NRL star. Here's 633 00:33:16,831 --> 00:33:18,631 Speaker 5: a contract. I had a contract, I (inaudible) injured. 634 00:33:19,501 --> 00:33:25,081 Speaker 5: And my trajectory in life changed in an instant straight 635 00:33:25,081 --> 00:33:27,751 Speaker 5: away. What we're trying to do is create the same 636 00:33:27,751 --> 00:33:30,211 Speaker 5: role model for cyber and IT to say, hey, if you don't 637 00:33:30,211 --> 00:33:34,321 Speaker 5: want to kick a football like JT or shoot a 638 00:33:34,321 --> 00:33:36,690 Speaker 5: basketball like Paddy Mills, shout out to Paddy Mills or 639 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:41,881 Speaker 5: Ash Bardy tennis, And you'd rather game and code come 640 00:33:41,881 --> 00:33:45,181 Speaker 5: and talk to me. That's what we're trying to. Now, 641 00:33:45,181 --> 00:33:48,901 Speaker 5: for anyone who wants to start a business, you just 642 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:51,271 Speaker 5: need to believe in yourself. You need to understand that 643 00:33:53,821 --> 00:33:58,231 Speaker 5: innovation sometimes does come with resistance. And what I mean 644 00:33:58,231 --> 00:34:01,561 Speaker 5: by that, okay, let me give you an example. It 645 00:34:01,561 --> 00:34:08,041 Speaker 5: is taxi drivers resisted against Uber. Hotel chains resisted against 646 00:34:08,131 --> 00:34:11,460 Speaker 5: Airbnb, and I did take a couple of notes here 647 00:34:11,581 --> 00:34:17,641 Speaker 5: around movies resisting Netflix. So when Baidam Solutions came around 648 00:34:17,641 --> 00:34:23,161 Speaker 5: as a secure capable technology solutions provider that can achieve 649 00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:27,091 Speaker 5: your indigenous procurement policies for the government or your reconciliation 650 00:34:27,091 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 5: action plans for private sector, people second- guess that. Oh, 651 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,481 Speaker 5: you're a Blackwashing machine now. You don't do it for the right reasons. There's 652 00:34:36,481 --> 00:34:38,490 Speaker 5: always this fearful factor. 653 00:34:38,881 --> 00:34:39,361 Mundanara Bayles: Always. 654 00:34:39,361 --> 00:34:45,421 Speaker 5: Yeah. Fast forward to today, we funded three lifetime scholarships 655 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:52,110 Speaker 5: from the commercial engine of Baidam Solutions to the tune 656 00:34:52,111 --> 00:34:54,751 Speaker 5: of around 52% of our profits we've given back to date. 657 00:34:54,781 --> 00:34:54,841 Mundanara Bayles: Wow. 658 00:34:55,471 --> 00:34:58,321 Speaker 5: So you mentioned before this ripple effect that goes back 659 00:34:58,321 --> 00:35:01,291 Speaker 5: to community and that multiplier impact. So you can procure 660 00:35:01,651 --> 00:35:05,611 Speaker 5: goods and services from a large global systems integrator, or you 661 00:35:05,701 --> 00:35:08,731 Speaker 5: can procure it from Baidam solutions and you will get 662 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:10,561 Speaker 5: the impact that goes back to communities. 663 00:35:10,591 --> 00:35:13,501 Mundanara Bayles: Well, they say, and the evidence is there about every $ 664 00:35:13,501 --> 00:35:17,100 Mundanara Bayles: 1 that you spend with an indigenous business, a social 665 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,601 Mundanara Bayles: impact equals $ 4. 41. 666 00:35:18,601 --> 00:35:20,610 Speaker 4: Spot on. Exactly. 667 00:35:20,911 --> 00:35:23,821 Mundanara Bayles: We give back to our community, and not only that, 668 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,361 Mundanara Bayles: we are 100 times more likely to employ our own 669 00:35:27,361 --> 00:35:30,301 Mundanara Bayles: mob. That's one way that we can close the gap. 670 00:35:31,321 --> 00:35:35,011 Mundanara Bayles: And all those social determinants around health, education, unemployment, mental 671 00:35:35,011 --> 00:35:40,500 Mundanara Bayles: health, all of those things that impact our mob when we 672 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,711 Mundanara Bayles: are in a job, I always say that one job 673 00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:48,841 Mundanara Bayles: in one household, one indigenous household, one job can change 674 00:35:48,841 --> 00:35:51,631 Mundanara Bayles: the complete narrative of that house. 675 00:35:52,141 --> 00:35:52,561 Speaker 5: Yes. 676 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:56,850 Mundanara Bayles: It just sets the young people, it sets them up 677 00:35:57,421 --> 00:35:58,231 Mundanara Bayles: for success. 678 00:35:58,261 --> 00:35:58,471 Speaker 5: Agreed. 679 00:35:59,821 --> 00:36:05,341 Mundanara Bayles: They have hope. They've got role models. They understand the 680 00:36:05,341 --> 00:36:10,831 Mundanara Bayles: opportunities and they're able to reach their full potential as 681 00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:12,541 Mundanara Bayles: young indigenous people. 682 00:36:14,221 --> 00:36:14,222 Speaker 5: You have it. 683 00:36:14,222 --> 00:36:15,571 Mundanara Bayles: Having those role models. 684 00:36:15,991 --> 00:36:19,740 Speaker 5: You have it. We don't need to be the owner of 685 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:23,010 Speaker 5: poverty anymore. That was shared to me a couple of 686 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 5: years ago and I was like, you know what? Sometimes it was 687 00:36:25,861 --> 00:36:28,081 Speaker 5: this shame factor. I don't want to drive this flash 688 00:36:28,081 --> 00:36:30,151 Speaker 5: car into community because mob will be like, Hey, look 689 00:36:30,151 --> 00:36:34,051 Speaker 5: at where are you making money from? No, I want to 690 00:36:34,051 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 5: change the mindset. These kids who grow up and their 691 00:36:38,881 --> 00:36:40,831 Speaker 5: whole life, they dream about, I want to play for 692 00:36:40,831 --> 00:36:44,521 Speaker 5: the Broncos. I want to play for the Brisbane Lions. Let's flip 693 00:36:44,521 --> 00:36:47,641 Speaker 5: that narrative because that's a short lifespan. If you make it- 694 00:36:47,821 --> 00:36:48,780 Mundanara Bayles: If you make it. 695 00:36:49,111 --> 00:36:53,820 Speaker 5: And if you make it, the average time or lifespan 696 00:36:53,821 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 5: of a professional sports person is two years or less. 697 00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:59,611 Speaker 5: It's just a mathematical equation we're on the wrong side 698 00:36:59,611 --> 00:37:02,011 Speaker 5: of. How about flip the narrative to go Well, instead 699 00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:05,581 Speaker 5: of playing for the Broncos or Brisbane Lions, you want to 700 00:37:05,581 --> 00:37:07,291 Speaker 5: own the Broncos and the Brisbane Lions. 701 00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:13,680 Mundanara Bayles: Or sponsor them. Black businesses sponsoring these big teams. 702 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:14,191 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So we don't have to be. 703 00:37:14,191 --> 00:37:14,371 Mundanara Bayles: That's pretty deadly too. 704 00:37:16,681 --> 00:37:19,501 Speaker 4: The owner of poverty. So I'm trying to, and I know I'm 705 00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:24,301 Speaker 4: going through that development myself too, sis, right? If I want 706 00:37:24,541 --> 00:37:29,551 Speaker 4: to drive the flash car, I got to stop and 707 00:37:29,551 --> 00:37:31,470 Speaker 4: pause and go, well, I'm actually being a role model 708 00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:33,421 Speaker 4: because there'll be some kid in the community that goes, 709 00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:36,870 Speaker 4: brother Jack, he's driving a Range Rover, or a Porsche, 710 00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:38,911 Speaker 4: or a Lamborghini. How did you get that? 711 00:37:41,071 --> 00:37:41,792 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, I want that too. 712 00:37:41,792 --> 00:37:43,921 Speaker 4: Yeah. I can see how our sports stars are kicking 713 00:37:43,921 --> 00:37:49,081 Speaker 4: footballs, but that's not me. I'm business, I'm entrepreneur. How 714 00:37:49,081 --> 00:37:52,201 Speaker 4: do I get that car come yonder me? That's when 715 00:37:52,201 --> 00:37:54,602 Speaker 4: we start introducing people. We're the role models. We have to embody that. 716 00:37:54,602 --> 00:38:00,571 Mundanara Bayles: That's exactly and everyday mob that are doing things that maybe 717 00:38:00,571 --> 00:38:02,370 Mundanara Bayles: people don't know that we exist. 718 00:38:02,551 --> 00:38:02,911 Speaker 5: Exactly. 719 00:38:02,911 --> 00:38:05,580 Mundanara Bayles: Maybe people don't know that we live in the same 720 00:38:05,581 --> 00:38:08,701 Mundanara Bayles: community as them. So how do people usually get in contact 721 00:38:08,701 --> 00:38:08,882 Mundanara Bayles: with you? Social media is big. 722 00:38:08,882 --> 00:38:09,031 Speaker 5: Social media- 723 00:38:09,031 --> 00:38:16,141 Mundanara Bayles: Do people usually find you online? Is it LinkedIn? Instagram? 724 00:38:16,351 --> 00:38:16,682 Mundanara Bayles: Which way? Where are you spending your time? 725 00:38:16,682 --> 00:38:25,351 Speaker 5: I'm in cyber. I am quite private sis. I lead a private life. 726 00:38:26,401 --> 00:38:28,591 Speaker 5: I see some of the, there's the good to cyber, 727 00:38:28,591 --> 00:38:31,441 Speaker 5: there's also the bad. So I don't post much on 728 00:38:31,441 --> 00:38:36,901 Speaker 5: social media. I rarely post much on LinkedIn. I know 729 00:38:36,901 --> 00:38:38,791 Speaker 5: it plays its role. I'm getting better at it as 730 00:38:38,791 --> 00:38:44,521 Speaker 5: well. But people that have my number, share it. I 731 00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,831 Speaker 5: will take a phone call at the drop of a 732 00:38:46,831 --> 00:38:49,801 Speaker 5: pin. If you have my email, email me, you're welcome 733 00:38:49,801 --> 00:38:55,861 Speaker 5: to share it. Jack@ baidam. com. au. My, again, you 734 00:38:55,861 --> 00:38:57,540 Speaker 5: go on this life journey and try and figure out 735 00:38:57,541 --> 00:39:00,151 Speaker 5: why do I exist? Why am I here? I'm here 736 00:39:00,151 --> 00:39:04,321 Speaker 5: to give, whether it's through cyber solutions or to help 737 00:39:04,321 --> 00:39:09,271 Speaker 5: somebody on their trajectory to whatever it is, reach out. 738 00:39:10,081 --> 00:39:13,801 Speaker 5: Health role model. 12 months. I've committed to no drinking 739 00:39:13,801 --> 00:39:16,980 Speaker 5: because business, I can't afford to lose time anymore. My 740 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:22,140 Speaker 5: currency has flipped from the dollar to time. I'm missing 741 00:39:22,141 --> 00:39:24,420 Speaker 5: my kids to grow up. So I'm trying to get a 742 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:25,230 Speaker 5: bit of that time back. 743 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:25,652 Mundanara Bayles: Work life balance. 744 00:39:25,652 --> 00:39:29,100 Speaker 4: Work life balance. It's a work in progress. 745 00:39:29,191 --> 00:39:31,890 Mundanara Bayles: I'm loving it. I want to sit here and yarn more and 746 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:35,520 Mundanara Bayles: I'm looking forward to another opportunity to sit down and 747 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,680 Mundanara Bayles: yarn and say, how can we work together? How do I 748 00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:40,381 Mundanara Bayles: plug in some of the things that I'm doing, the 749 00:39:40,381 --> 00:39:43,321 Mundanara Bayles: community work that I do, the Murray School, I sit 750 00:39:43,321 --> 00:39:45,541 Mundanara Bayles: on the board of the Murray school. So brother, I'm 751 00:39:45,541 --> 00:39:47,071 Mundanara Bayles: going to be reaching out to you. 752 00:39:47,071 --> 00:39:47,132 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. 753 00:39:47,132 --> 00:39:53,281 Mundanara Bayles: And see how can I even connect people to Baidam. In particular, my 754 00:39:53,281 --> 00:39:57,330 Mundanara Bayles: son Lameki, who I know will be really interested to have a 755 00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:01,291 Mundanara Bayles: yarn with you. But look, I am so pleased that 756 00:40:01,291 --> 00:40:02,850 Mundanara Bayles: we finally got to sit here and have this yarn. 757 00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:05,790 Mundanara Bayles: Thank you so much to ANZ for giving us the 758 00:40:05,791 --> 00:40:08,791 Mundanara Bayles: opportunity to be able to promote some of the best 759 00:40:08,791 --> 00:40:12,211 Mundanara Bayles: black businesses in this country. So on that note, my 760 00:40:12,211 --> 00:40:13,632 Mundanara Bayles: brother, (inaudible) 761 00:40:14,041 --> 00:40:15,632 Speaker 4: Thanks sis. (inaudible) 762 00:40:15,632 --> 00:40:20,430 Mundanara Bayles: On that note, I hope you've enjoyed this deadly yarn. Until 763 00:40:20,431 --> 00:40:21,691 Mundanara Bayles: next time, bye for now. 764 00:40:23,011 --> 00:40:25,860 Speaker 2: If you'd like to know more about how ANZ can help 765 00:40:25,861 --> 00:40:29,581 Speaker 2: improve your financial wellbeing or help you start, run, or 766 00:40:29,581 --> 00:40:33,780 Speaker 2: grow your business, visit ANZ. com or call 131314. 767 00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:39,811 Mundanara Bayles: A big shout out to all you deadly mob and 768 00:40:39,811 --> 00:40:43,561 Mundanara Bayles: allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast. 769 00:40:43,711 --> 00:40:47,071 Mundanara Bayles: Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review 770 00:40:47,071 --> 00:40:50,160 Mundanara Bayles: the podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to 771 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,131 Mundanara Bayles: our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line. 772 00:40:53,191 --> 00:40:56,041 Mundanara Bayles: We'd love to hear from you. 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