Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Anna Poule
Speaker 1: finally responds to those explosive claims. Sarah's Day is unveiled
Speaker 1: as a secret investor in a new powdered drink company
Speaker 1: and our Friday Debrief. But first TikToker Sammy Guggenheimer has
Speaker 1: hit backer claim she gate keeps products from her followers.
Speaker 1: The Melbourne lifestyle influencer made no fans when she defended herself,
Speaker 1: exclaiming you should try being an influencer for a day. Well.
Speaker 1: It all started when a TikToker called flour Sky uploaded
Speaker 1: a video asking if anyone else had noticed that certain
Speaker 1: Australian influencers don't respond to comments.
Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
Speaker 3: Has anyone else noticed that there are some influences on
Speaker 3: this art that would rather die than respond to their
Speaker 3: followers in the comments.
Speaker 4: Black.
Speaker 5: I see it so often, especially with.
Speaker 4: Some specific influencer. I'm not gonna take.
Speaker 6: Names, but their followers and fans or whatever their community
Speaker 6: will be like, oh my god, where's your top from
Speaker 6: where are your shoes from? Their comment section is so dead,
Speaker 6: like I've never seen anything so quiet in my life, dead.
Speaker 5: Silent, And I'm like, Firstly, how have you been a community?
Speaker 4: Secondly, isn't that like your.
Speaker 3: Job to sell stuff and influence people and like tell
Speaker 3: them where's from so then they go buy it. I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I've misread the whole influencer.
Speaker 5: Things, but.
Speaker 2: I really agree with Flur.
Speaker 1: There's been so many occasions where I'm desperate to know
Speaker 1: where an influencers outfits from, and there'll be so many
Speaker 1: comments in the comment section begging them to drop us
Speaker 1: some crumbs and some clues as to where it's from.
Speaker 1: So isn't that their whole job, like actually to engage
Speaker 1: with their audience as well.
Speaker 2: Sarah's Day does it a lot well.
Speaker 1: It often seems like if the influencer has purchased the
Speaker 1: item themselves, then they're actually not willing to give the details.
Speaker 1: It's always awkward when an influencer does a try on
Speaker 1: hold with a particular brand. It's a fast fashioned brand,
Speaker 1: but everyone wants to know where the original outfit was
Speaker 1: that isn't sponsored, and you can tell that they just
Speaker 1: don't want to say anything because they don't want to
Speaker 1: detract from the brand. Yeah. I think it's so silly though,
Speaker 1: because if they actually provide genuine recommendations to people, when
Speaker 1: they do try and spook something that's paid, it actually
Speaker 1: seems more genuine. The worst gatekeeping is when people do
Speaker 1: it around weddings. There were so many times I'd be
Speaker 1: on web talk and I just desperately want to know
Speaker 1: where a pair of pajamas was, and no one would reply. Well,
Speaker 1: it's clear that flirst sentiments really resonated with a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 2: Because the video went viral.
Speaker 1: She only has nine hundred and fifty eight followers, but
Speaker 1: the video wrapped up over six hundred and fifty three
Speaker 1: thousand views and more than seven hundred comments, and one
Speaker 1: influencer's name kept popping up in the comments, Sammy Guggenheimer.
Speaker 1: So for those not familiar with Sammy, she is a
Speaker 1: twenty two year old Melbourne influencer. She has over two
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six thousand followers on TikTok and one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty six thousand on Instagram and she offer
Speaker 1: goes by the name Sammy Googs or a TikTok handle
Speaker 1: short Girl Tall Dreams, and she shares a lot of
Speaker 1: lifestyle and fashion content, as well as relationship advice on
Speaker 1: her podcast Just for Girls. This time last year, she
Speaker 1: announced her split from her AFL boyfriend Kayleb Polter, which
Speaker 1: gained a lot of.
Speaker 2: Traction for her.
Speaker 1: Well, Sammy might not respond to her followers in her
Speaker 1: comments section, but she clearly checks her tags because she
Speaker 1: shared a response to the viral video. So in the video,
Speaker 1: she denied she was gatekeeping products from her followers and
Speaker 1: explained that rather than responding to questions, she instead tags
Speaker 1: her products on her Instagram story. She then said this.
Speaker 7: There's no point gatekeeping products because we all got to
Speaker 7: share things around here. But if I am not, it's
Speaker 7: because I'm not reading my comments. Is because as people
Speaker 7: that are rude and mean and commenting mean things on
Speaker 7: my videos. So a lot of the time I just
Speaker 7: don't read my comments because I have to protect my peace.
Speaker 7: You should try being an influencer and getting hate every
Speaker 7: day and getting slandered every day.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I always taggening some my Instagram story. There's no
Speaker 7: point gaykeeping. If something's good, I'm gonna share it, and
Speaker 7: I do do that. But yeah, I know my truth,
Speaker 7: I know my peace. Yeah, I'm protecting some of it
Speaker 7: if I don't readbuild the comments because I'm literally getting
Speaker 7: slandered online.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So yeah, this pimple here, it's from chocolate, bought it
Speaker 7: at will is. Yeah, it's just frustrating, like you can
Speaker 7: never do anything right.
Speaker 1: I was really taken aback by Sammy's tone on this video.
Speaker 1: How do these people have followers and why are they
Speaker 1: so condescending to the followers that make them money. It's
Speaker 1: very unlikable. I don't know out of her followers, who's
Speaker 1: sitting there being like, yeah.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I agree with her.
Speaker 1: A job of an influencer is so difficult. We have
Speaker 1: spoken in length about influencers being trolled on tattle Life,
Speaker 1: and I think it's shit that she does get mean
Speaker 1: comments directed at her on her videos. And I do
Speaker 1: think that it is a good thing that she is
Speaker 1: trying to avoid reading that commentary. But when you're big
Speaker 1: on TikTok, I don't think you can because it's all
Speaker 1: about engagement and it's all about building a community, and
Speaker 1: if you're not responding to simple comments about oh where'd
Speaker 1: you get that from? Then it just looks a bit
Speaker 1: sloppy and lazy. I feel like this excuse is a
Speaker 1: bit of a cop out. I think that the reason
Speaker 1: she's not letting her TikTok followers know where she gets
Speaker 1: her outfits from isn't because she doesn't want to look
Speaker 1: at the comments. It's because she wants people to go
Speaker 1: over to her Instagram, where she can link her LTK
Speaker 1: and make money off the items that she tas well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure this will.
Speaker 1: Change with a lot of influencers when Australia brings in
Speaker 1: the TikTok shop and we're suddenly linking everything. I did
Speaker 1: love that one of the commenters suggested that she just
Speaker 1: adds the outfit or product details in the caption so
Speaker 1: that she didn't actually have to read the negative commentary.
Speaker 5: I made a video addressing every time anyone say anything
Speaker 5: bad about me. I would be posting all day long,
Speaker 5: every single day, as would every other content creator.
Speaker 4: That's what the whole four you page will be filled with.
Speaker 5: But I think we can all agree that this has
Speaker 5: gotten a little bit big and a little bit much
Speaker 5: so now here I am and I'm never doing this again.
Speaker 4: I don't address stuff like this, but it has gotten
Speaker 4: very big.
Speaker 1: Anna Paul has finally responded to the allegations leveled against
Speaker 1: her by former friend Mikayla Test. It took the Only
Speaker 1: Fans creator almost a week to reply to the explosive claims,
Speaker 1: which caused the Internet to call for her cancelation. Now,
Speaker 1: it was pretty kind of Anna to upload her response
Speaker 1: just three hours after we had finalized Tuesday's episode about
Speaker 1: the scandal. Now, for those who missed the episode, Kate,
Speaker 1: can you give us a refresher? Yeah, I can't say
Speaker 1: it was pleased when Sovie sent that link through to
Speaker 1: me at eight o'clock at night. Now, Mikayla was not
Speaker 1: only friends with Anna, but she was a big part
Speaker 1: of the Paul family.
Speaker 2: She dated Anna's brother Adis for a couple of.
Speaker 1: Years before they broke up in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 1: on Wednesday last week, Mickayla released an eight minute expose
Speaker 1: on Anna and Attis. Now, the allegations leveled against Adis
Speaker 1: are of a serious nature and for legal reasons, we
Speaker 1: can't go into them.
Speaker 2: As for the claims against Anna.
Speaker 1: Michayla called her calculated, manipulative, and evil. She also accused
Speaker 1: Anna of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up
Speaker 1: to her only fans account with the lure of a
Speaker 1: cash giveaway. Michayla also alleged Anna doesn't care about her
Speaker 1: fans and that the way she presents herself publicly is
Speaker 1: very different to Anna behind closed doors. She also said
Speaker 1: that the messaging Anna pushes about body positivity is just
Speaker 1: for clout, and claims she called a fan fat and sweaty. Lastly,
Speaker 1: she alleged that Anna had lied about growing up poor
Speaker 1: and actually grew up upper middle class.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Anna uploaded her own eight minute video to TikTok on
Speaker 1: Monday night, and she started out by prefacing that she
Speaker 1: doesn't normally address negative commentary, but the situation was too
Speaker 1: big now to ignore. Here's more of That's what Anna said.
Speaker 5: The reason why I've taken so long is because this
Speaker 5: all took me by surprise, and it was a very
Speaker 5: big shock to me because somebody that I thought was
Speaker 5: my friend and that I was close with really hurt me.
Speaker 5: And two months ago she was asking me to go
Speaker 5: to Fiji with her on a girl's trip, and last
Speaker 5: year when my dad was apparently homeless and that was
Speaker 5: going everywhere crazy on TikTok, She was the one helping
Speaker 5: me through it, sending me voice message, just telling me,
Speaker 5: don't listen to the people online.
Speaker 4: They're dumb. Everyone is stupid. Tell Papa it's going to
Speaker 4: be okay. I hope Papa's okay. Don't tell them not
Speaker 4: to listen. She was helping me.
Speaker 5: So now this has all come as a very very
Speaker 5: big shock and surprise, because I thought we were friends.
Speaker 1: Anna saying that she was too shocked to respond isn't
Speaker 1: an adequate excuse for this delay. It was this delay
Speaker 1: in responding to the allegations that let this situation get
Speaker 1: out of control. Yeah, because it gave people time to
Speaker 1: pick aside and this just spread like wildfire across TikTok
Speaker 1: and then also into the mainstream media. I disagree, as
Speaker 1: I said on Tuesday's episode, I think that Anna needed
Speaker 1: some time and space to respond adequately. That is why
Speaker 1: I am so surprised that this response in particular took
Speaker 1: a week. I thought she was going to come out
Speaker 1: with something that would absolutely shoot down Mikayla's claim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because what she should have said after this delay was
Speaker 1: that she was taking the allegation seriously and wanted to
Speaker 1: address it appropriately. She also could have said that she
Speaker 1: know she was trying to get a feel for how
Speaker 1: her community had reacted and was feeling after it and
Speaker 1: was discussing it with her team, but nothing.
Speaker 2: Like that was said.
Speaker 1: Well, she came out and said that she had no
Speaker 1: PR team working on this response. She even panned her
Speaker 1: camera around during this TikTok to show that she was
Speaker 1: by herself and reiterated there was no script. She was
Speaker 1: just talking to the capistry.
Speaker 2: Bloody needed a script.
Speaker 1: And I actually think that she said this in response
Speaker 1: to what Veruka had put on her story. So Veruka
Speaker 1: Soult came out in response and said, look, I managed
Speaker 1: to pan this statement in five minutes, Anna Paul. If
Speaker 1: she's telling the truth, she'd be able to pick up
Speaker 1: her phone and just pump out a video after watching
Speaker 1: the shambles of a response. I don't think that she
Speaker 1: needed to pan the camera around to prove that there
Speaker 1: was no autocue because it was just terrible. I just
Speaker 1: confused why she didn't have the assistance of a PR
Speaker 1: team or do we believe that a PR team assisted
Speaker 1: her and she was claiming that no one did. She
Speaker 1: did slip up during the statement and referenced her team.
Speaker 1: I would be shocked though, if a professional PR team
Speaker 1: approved this message.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It didn't have any indication that a PR manager had
Speaker 1: looked over this. It seems to me like maybe Anna
Speaker 1: sat down with Addis and her mum and came up
Speaker 1: with this respect I think she thought that she'd seem
Speaker 1: more relatable and genuine if she pointed out that she
Speaker 1: didn't have help from a PR team and she was
Speaker 1: just speaking from the heart. Yeah. Well, Anna went on
Speaker 1: to say that she wanted to address the allegations regarding
Speaker 1: her her being the operative word, so it was clear
Speaker 1: from the get go that she wasn't going to speak
Speaker 1: on her brother.
Speaker 2: Addis's behalf.
Speaker 1: Now. I understand it's not her place to talk for Addas,
Speaker 1: and if she had tried to defend him, I don't
Speaker 1: think it would have looked good. But to not even
Speaker 1: acknowledge that Mikayla had made very serious allegations against her
Speaker 1: brother from a top level perspective really trivialized this whole situation.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, she's not responsible for
Speaker 1: her brother's actions, but I think that it was misleading.
Speaker 2: Not to touch on it.
Speaker 1: I think she was really playing into TikTok's algorithm in
Speaker 1: the sense that people would watch the video not be
Speaker 1: fully across the story, so it kind of ended up
Speaker 1: looking like this really petty disagreement between two friends.
Speaker 2: I was also really disappointed.
Speaker 1: That Anna completely ignored the most serious allegation leveled at her,
Speaker 1: so that was in regards to her giveaway and allegedly
Speaker 1: incentivizing her underage audience to subscribe to her OnlyFans account. Instead,
Speaker 1: she chose to focus on the not so serious claim.
Speaker 1: So she denied calling a fan she met fat and
Speaker 1: that she lied about growing up poor. This is what
Speaker 1: she had to say about the fan encounter.
Speaker 5: A fan came up to me and we hugged, and
Speaker 5: after she'd walked away, I said, oh my god, she
Speaker 5: was so fat and sweaty. Now I do not call
Speaker 5: my fans fat. That's not who I am, though's not
Speaker 5: what I stand for. That's not what I've ever stood for.
Speaker 4: There's no sure that's not what I simple sweaty.
Speaker 5: However, I may have called her sweaty because when somebody
Speaker 5: is wet and they touch you and then they leave,
Speaker 5: and when you're with your best friend and you are
Speaker 5: now wet because of them, you may say I am
Speaker 5: now wet again.
Speaker 4: This was four years ago, but that may have happened.
Speaker 5: And I also know that people would have hugged me,
Speaker 5: walked away and said Anna Paul was sweaty.
Speaker 4: That does not make them a bad person.
Speaker 5: That's just them pointing out that after two people touched,
Speaker 5: they are now sweaty or wet.
Speaker 1: And I think I wanted to say that she hugs
Speaker 1: thousands of people at her meat and greets and in
Speaker 1: the process her shoulder ends up touching people's sweaty underarms,
Speaker 1: and she explained after events that she has to clean
Speaker 1: her shoulder with a wet wipe to.
Speaker 2: Get rid of the bo smell.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Anna could have made it more
Speaker 1: obvious that this fan encounter did happen, and it did
Speaker 1: play out in the way that Mikayla alleged. She literally
Speaker 1: admitted to calling the fans sweaty and then followed up
Speaker 1: by saying that basically she has to get a brother
Speaker 1: to fucking wet wipe her down and hugging other fans appearance.
Speaker 1: But if it didn't happen as well, how would you
Speaker 1: remember that incident? Yeah, and calling someone sweaty, that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a great connotation attached to it. Overall, even if
Speaker 1: she didn't use the word fat, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: she was very nice about this fan giving her a heart.
Speaker 1: I love all the subsequent tiktoks that have come out
Speaker 1: after this. There's videos of people pretending to be Anna
Speaker 1: running straight to the shower after meeting Fat. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it makes her sound like she's repulsed by her
Speaker 1: fans going forward. I'd be really nervous to meet Anna
Speaker 1: Paul particularly.
Speaker 2: I mean, she lives on.
Speaker 1: The Gold Coast that is a very hot, sweaty and
Speaker 1: human environment.
Speaker 4: But you know when you.
Speaker 1: Are lying about something and you go over the top
Speaker 1: about it and it comes across like it's such a lie.
Speaker 1: That's how it played out, because she was so help
Speaker 1: bent on no no, I said, sweaty, yeah.
Speaker 4: Fat, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you think things couldn't get any worse, they did.
Speaker 1: Let's hear what Anna had to say about the allegation
Speaker 1: she lied about growing up being poor.
Speaker 5: The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now,
Speaker 5: I do not lie about the fact that I.
Speaker 4: Grew up broke.
Speaker 5: When I say I grew up broke, that is my
Speaker 5: experience that is how I felt. When I can hear
Speaker 5: my parents talking in the kitchen that the budget for
Speaker 5: the groceries that week is thirty dollars. It makes me
Speaker 5: feel broke where we kind of affords greuniforms.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel broke when I'm eleven.
Speaker 5: When I'm ten and all my friends can afford something
Speaker 5: and my parents can't.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel.
Speaker 5: Broke when they say, oh, I don't know how we're
Speaker 5: gonna afford rent next week. That makes me scared. It
Speaker 5: makes me feel broke. That does not mean that I
Speaker 5: was the most broke person on earth. There are definitely
Speaker 5: people in way worse situations than me.
Speaker 4: But that does not mean that I'm.
Speaker 5: Lying about the fact that I felt broke during those times.
Speaker 1: How did Anna not realize that her line I felt
Speaker 1: broke was gonna go viral? I mean, she has been
Speaker 1: on TikTok for a long time.
Speaker 2: It was at this.
Speaker 1: Point where I thought, hmm, I think she probably should
Speaker 1: have made a written statement because a lot of what
Speaker 1: she said can easily be stitched up, and people are
Speaker 1: now responding to it.
Speaker 2: It's gotten even bigger.
Speaker 1: It really had jamaking vibes to it, and as you said, Amy,
Speaker 1: This has created a real viral moment on TikTok. This
Speaker 1: has become a trending sound and people are making jokes
Speaker 1: about what made them feel poor as kids, whether their
Speaker 1: parents wouldn't allow them to have a Dolly magazine, or
Speaker 1: if they couldn't go through the McDonald's drive. My favorite
Speaker 1: is someone filling up an ASoP soap bottle with cheap
Speaker 1: soap and saying, this is.
Speaker 2: What happens when I feel broke.
Speaker 1: I mean jokes aside to essentially say that being poor
Speaker 1: is a mindset. Truly did upset a lot of people.
Speaker 1: What I don't get is it's the easiest accusation to
Speaker 1: provide receipts.
Speaker 2: For which she did not provide.
Speaker 1: It just backed up Michayla's claims that it seems like
Speaker 1: she has been cosplaying being poor to relate to her Audi.
Speaker 1: This is the whole issue with her response. She focused
Speaker 1: on these petty allegations. She should have been clear and concisely.
Speaker 1: She shouldn't have released an eight minute video. It should
Speaker 1: have been a lot shorter. She almost just was tripping
Speaker 1: herself up with her responses.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: She also decided to use the video to address the
Speaker 1: receipts that have been popping up on TikTok regarding her
Speaker 1: apparent wealth as a child. So she denied the photo
Speaker 1: doing the rounds were of her childhood home or car.
Speaker 1: Her defense was that the Internet didn't exist when she
Speaker 1: was a child, nor did she have social media, therefore
Speaker 1: the photos wouldn't be on the Internet. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: this because Anna is only twenty five. She was born
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine. For the record, we did have
Speaker 1: the Internet back then, and Facebook was launched in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four and MySpace in two thousand and three
Speaker 1: when we were all at high school. So there definitely
Speaker 1: could have been a digital footprint of her growing up
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand or so. Maybe she didn't
Speaker 1: put it up when she was seven, but people post
Speaker 1: a lot of childhood photos once they're older now. Anna
Speaker 1: then addressed the old photos being dug up on her
Speaker 1: Instagram account. So for those who haven't seen them, there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of photos that have gone viral showing
Speaker 1: her traveling in first class, and there's also another one
Speaker 1: of her wearing a Gucci watch. And this is what
Speaker 1: she said about those photos.
Speaker 4: Social media is fake it is not real Instagram.
Speaker 5: It's all fake and it can be faked.
Speaker 4: So this is just a perfect example of that.
Speaker 5: There's a photo of me sitting in first class when
Speaker 5: I was like thirteen years old. Please don't quote me.
Speaker 5: Maybe I was twelve, Maybe I was eleven, maybe I
Speaker 5: was fourteen.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Back I'm gonna say thirteen.
Speaker 5: And I posted on Instagram and people are saying, look,
Speaker 5: this is her first class when she's thirteen.
Speaker 4: She's a liar.
Speaker 5: She was always rich. Now, what you don't know about
Speaker 5: that photo is that that was a flight that my
Speaker 5: uncle paid for, and it was an economy flight because
Speaker 5: my whole family lives in Germany and we were in Australia.
Speaker 5: So my uncle wanted my brother and I to go
Speaker 5: see our grandparents, so he bought us two economy tickets.
Speaker 5: And during the flight, my brother threw up all over me. Everywhere.
Speaker 4: Everything was wet and hot, everything was dirty.
Speaker 5: So the flight attendants take care of unaccompanied minus and
Speaker 5: they said to us, guys, come to the front of
Speaker 5: the plane by I cleans up. It's the last twenty
Speaker 5: minutes anyway, So for the last twenty minutes of the
Speaker 5: flight we were sitting in first class, and of course
Speaker 5: they posted on Instagram and twelve and that's cool, and
Speaker 5: now people are using that like liar. No, social media
Speaker 5: is fake and it could all be explained and I
Speaker 5: have before or another one is I'm wearing like a
Speaker 5: Gucci watch. Listen, my dad's job growing up was buying
Speaker 5: some antiques. He would constantly go to Garrottales and markers
Speaker 5: and stuff like that and then sell them on eBay afterwards.
Speaker 5: So there's a photo of a watch that he bought
Speaker 5: out a Garrottel for two dollars and it's a Gucci
Speaker 5: watch and I posted that, pupa can I post on Instagram?
Speaker 5: Of course I'm posting that. That's cool and that's a flex,
Speaker 5: but that is not real. You cannot determine things from photos.
Speaker 5: It is crazy, and that is just Those are just
Speaker 5: a couple of examples.
Speaker 1: I could not believe that Anna's defense was that social
Speaker 1: media is fake, especially when she's talking about images that
Speaker 1: she's uploaded herself. Does that mean that this statement is fake?
Speaker 1: Does that mean that Mikayla Tests allegations are true and
Speaker 1: the persona that you've been putting on is fake and
Speaker 1: that you weren't poor. I just think I don't know
Speaker 1: why she's gone into the weeds and the immense detail
Speaker 1: in this. I think she's missed the mark of what
Speaker 1: people are upset about. And that's why Mikayla's video was
Speaker 1: so powerful, because she was strong in what she said.
Speaker 1: She didn't ramble, she got to the point. Well, I
Speaker 1: think this line took the cake for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Another one that I what is it, I'm a manipulative
Speaker 5: layer because I called past the noodles or something like
Speaker 5: that like insanity. I think we can all agree it's
Speaker 5: gotten very, very insane where it's just insane.
Speaker 2: Because this pissed a lot of people off.
Speaker 1: Because Mikayla never called an manipulative over saying noodles for
Speaker 1: a Turkish past a recipe. She called her manipulative in
Speaker 1: regards to incentivizing her underpage fans to sign up to
Speaker 1: her only fans account, an allegation that she never addressed.
Speaker 1: I saw Abby Chatfield put out of TikTok and it
Speaker 1: just had her simply saying something along the lines of
Speaker 1: it was never about the noodle's babe. It's quite okay
Speaker 1: that Anna has sat on TikTok watching every single video
Speaker 1: about her, and she feels like she has to respond
Speaker 1: to all of those trivial videos instead of actually just
Speaker 1: addressing Mikayla's KeyPoint, yeah, and trivializing the allegations and making
Speaker 1: these jokes about it.
Speaker 2: It just added to.
Speaker 1: The mixed messaging of the statement. The tone and delivery
Speaker 1: were just so off because there was literally no understanding
Speaker 1: of how her can community felt and what she needed
Speaker 1: to address.
Speaker 2: It just kind of across as really dismissive, a bit
Speaker 2: tone deaf. Really yeah.
Speaker 1: And on the underage fan thing, Anna did say in
Speaker 1: the comment section of the video that her following is
Speaker 1: ninety three point eight percent eighteen plus, but if you
Speaker 1: look at her following, that means that over one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand people are underage. Well, that was in
Speaker 1: defense to saying that she was incentivizing her young audience.
Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, Kate, I would still say,
Speaker 1: encouraging one hundred and fifty thousand underaged children to sign
Speaker 1: up to her OnlyFans account is quite unethical. And also
Speaker 1: why bury that in the comments? Why was that not
Speaker 1: included in the response? Now? Anna did finish the video
Speaker 1: by telling her followers that bullying is not okay and
Speaker 1: can have serious consequences.
Speaker 2: Here's what she said, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Me aside in this whole situation, okay, me aside the
Speaker 5: bullying that has bested and grown from this because it's
Speaker 5: a trend is dangerous and not okay.
Speaker 4: And bullying like this hell people, It kills people. You
Speaker 4: might think it's funny to set up your phone and think, oh,
Speaker 4: what's trending right now?
Speaker 5: I know I'll say I met Anna Paul once and
Speaker 5: say something bad that'll get views. Your views aren't worth
Speaker 5: someone's life, I'm telling you. Or setting up the camera
Speaker 5: and laughing with all your friends about what my body
Speaker 5: looks like and then posting it, that is not worth
Speaker 5: the views. Someone's life are not worth those views, I'm
Speaker 5: telling you.
Speaker 1: Anna went on to say that she was fortunate to
Speaker 1: have a support system around her and she couldn't imagine
Speaker 1: going through something like this alone.
Speaker 2: She then said this.
Speaker 5: There are children that go through this kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: this kind of bullying alone, and for that I cannot
Speaker 5: even imagine how they even survived that.
Speaker 4: To be honest, then because of that, I'm going to
Speaker 4: leave a number down.
Speaker 5: Belue, if you're alone and you ever need someone to
Speaker 5: talk to you or need something, please call that numb
Speaker 5: and do not hesitate because it can happen to anyone.
Speaker 5: So I'm just sending my love out there to anyone
Speaker 5: that has gone through this, or people that.
Speaker 1: Will go through this or Anna then urged her followers
Speaker 1: to be respectful to all parties involved and not to
Speaker 1: send anyone hate on her behalf. I think this was
Speaker 1: actually the best part of her response because it did
Speaker 1: make you think, look, these are two young girls. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of hate flying around on the internet. People
Speaker 1: need to be mindful of what they're saying online. I
Speaker 1: understand why she included that messaging around online bulling, but
Speaker 1: you can't release the statement where you ignore very serious
Speaker 1: allegations leveled at you and your brother and then try
Speaker 1: and shift the narrative to make you the victim. Because
Speaker 1: if she had been accountable and address the allegations, then
Speaker 1: I think that this part of the video would have
Speaker 1: made sense. I think some people felt like she was
Speaker 1: trying to use bulling and maybe mental health as an
Speaker 1: excuse for her behavior. People also didn't find it very
Speaker 1: genuine because she said that she was going to provide
Speaker 1: links for those who were in trouble and needed help
Speaker 1: from Lifeline, and she didn't include them in the caption.
Speaker 2: I think it was also because the start of her.
Speaker 1: Video was all jokey and making out like these allegations
Speaker 1: went serious, and then suddenly it ticked over into her
Speaker 1: crying and saying how serious online bullying was?
Speaker 7: Yeh?
Speaker 1: And it did you feel like we were getting this
Speaker 1: lecture about bullying at the end of the video, after
Speaker 1: she had just trivialized all these serious allegations.
Speaker 2: I think, as I said earlier, a.
Speaker 1: Written statement would have been a lot better if she
Speaker 1: couldn't actually deliver a proper response. On a side note,
Speaker 1: did anyone else notice what she was wearing? Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was wearing a by Bambi branded top, so she had
Speaker 1: a jacket it said Bambi across it.
Speaker 2: Bit a peripheral messaging there. Yeah, well by Bamburi.
Speaker 1: We spoke about them last year. They've been involved in
Speaker 1: a number of controversies involving not paying influences correctly. I
Speaker 1: do wonder, kay, if she was trying to come across
Speaker 1: as Bambi as in the well. She also was wearing
Speaker 1: it looked like pajama pants and she wasn't all dold up.
Speaker 1: I think it was a strategic move to make herself
Speaker 1: look relatable. I think she needed a bit more strategy
Speaker 1: involved in this because it was not working for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do understand though, why she tried to speak off
Speaker 1: the cuff, because it is part of her brand. But
Speaker 1: what I don't understand is you can speak off the
Speaker 1: cuff and memorize stuff like you can actually come across
Speaker 1: as a bit more.
Speaker 2: Serious in your delivery. And when she was just spewing vomit.
Speaker 1: Out like it was just all over the place, how
Speaker 1: many times do you think she recorded it like that?
Speaker 1: Could that have been the first record and she's gone, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one I've done. Maybe it seemed like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like to see the other recordings if that was
Speaker 1: the best one. The general consensus was people felt gas
Speaker 1: lip from the video it's pr one oh one. She
Speaker 1: needed to respond to the allegations properly. That would have
Speaker 1: stopped the narrative. What she has done is provided TikTok
Speaker 1: with even more to run with. She then needed to
Speaker 1: provide a remedy of how she was going to solve
Speaker 1: the situation, so an action list. I'm going to do
Speaker 1: this moving forward. I'm taking this very seriously.
Speaker 2: There was none of that now.
Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa was quick to respond to Anna's video in
Speaker 1: the comments section, writing Anna, please do not try and
Speaker 1: paint me as a liar. I will come with receipts.
Speaker 1: Do not make me come on here with it all.
Speaker 1: You said what you said, and you said it in entirety.
Speaker 1: I thought we were friends too, until your friends have
Speaker 1: come to me with everything you've been saying about me
Speaker 1: the entire time.
Speaker 2: I reached out because I thought we were friends. We weren't.
Speaker 1: You were fake and this doesn't cut it. I care
Speaker 1: about children and you're extorting them now. Mickchayla went on
Speaker 1: to screenshot her comment and post it to an Instagram
Speaker 1: story with the caption, of course, Anna will block my comments.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm forced into explaining myself in full. I
Speaker 1: think the fact that Mikayla was able to reply so
Speaker 1: quickly back to Anna in a succinct manner she raised
Speaker 1: some really good points highlights even further how poor Anna's eight.
Speaker 2: Minute video was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose if you're trying to determine who is
Speaker 1: guilty in this situation, Anna took a week to respond.
Speaker 2: Michayla then instantly.
Speaker 1: Responded to the video and said she's got receipts for
Speaker 1: it now. Twenty four hours later, Mikayla updated her followers
Speaker 1: on those receipts, saying, Hi, guys, I did promise receipts.
Speaker 1: While going through and actually collecting them and reviewing them,
Speaker 1: I realized something very very sinister was happening to meet
Speaker 1: for many years. This is something the police should be seeing,
Speaker 1: not the Internet. Although at some stage I will be
Speaker 1: able to share my story in full, as I have
Speaker 1: shared every piece of my life with you all so far,
Speaker 1: I will have to delay for now. I will be
Speaker 1: moving forward legally the way it should be. I was
Speaker 1: very relieved when Mikayla posted this because I think that
Speaker 1: this issue really needs to move offline now. I can't
Speaker 1: see anything good coming from more of a slinging match
Speaker 1: between the two of them. It's clear that if this
Speaker 1: matter is as serious as Mikayla alleges it to be,
Speaker 1: the police and legal teams need to get involved. I
Speaker 1: still can't believe this. Sarah's Day has officially invested in Hiro.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you how all went.
Speaker 1: Down after parting ways with long standing partner Trepeka, it's
Speaker 1: been officially announced as Sarah's Day, is an investor in
Speaker 1: a new drink company called Hiro. The finness influencer has
Speaker 1: been spooking the benefits of the drink across her social
Speaker 1: media channels since July last year, but hasn't let her
Speaker 1: followers in on the secret that she in fact part
Speaker 1: owns the company. So for last week, we discussed that
Speaker 1: since dropping her daily Body Bloom, Sarah has suddenly been
Speaker 1: incorporating a new drink into her day routine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At first I thought this was some sort of pre
Speaker 1: workout drink, but it is actually an electrolyte drink. So
Speaker 1: it comes in a red sashet which she's been mixing
Speaker 1: into water and has a range of different flavors. The
Speaker 1: idea is that you take it at the start of
Speaker 1: the day and during or after your workouts to supposedly
Speaker 1: replenish the electrolytes that you lost in sweat. It is
Speaker 1: similar to body Bloom in the sense that the drink
Speaker 1: claims to provide better physical performance, muscle function, improved digestion,
Speaker 1: mental clarity, give you better skin, and also support detoxification. Now,
Speaker 1: the original owners of Hydro are a husband and wife
Speaker 1: team called Stephen Chapman and Taylor Bird. On the website,
Speaker 1: the founders make a big point of telling their customers
Speaker 1: to trust the science and say that the drink has
Speaker 1: been fine tuned by elite dietitians. Now, the original owners
Speaker 1: of Hydro are a husband and wife team called Stephen
Speaker 1: Chapman and Taylor Bird, and on their website they make
Speaker 1: a big point telling their customers to trust the science
Speaker 1: of the drink, and they say that the drink has
Speaker 1: been fine tuned by elite dietitians. It also says that
Speaker 1: the drink is crafted by the finest ingredients the Earth
Speaker 1: can offer, and above all, it only contains five calories
Speaker 1: and no sugar. It really does seem to be up
Speaker 1: Sarah's day street, as it also says it has no
Speaker 1: artificial additives, is vegan and quito free, so you can
Speaker 1: see the alignment there with her now. Sarah first shared
Speaker 1: about Hiro in July last year, claiming it was helping
Speaker 1: her get through pregnancy.
Speaker 2: Let's throw it to what she said.
Speaker 4: Pers this is how I've been surviving this pregnancy.
Speaker 9: This is Hiro again. It's the Hiro lemonon lime. That's
Speaker 9: the one I like tastes like you found a fresh
Speaker 9: lemonon lime ice block, like a quarter of an ice block.
Speaker 9: Because they water it down and it's melted in your water.
Speaker 9: It just gives it that little bit of like zest,
Speaker 9: fresh sourness that I'm going to down this whole thing now.
Speaker 1: Sarah did tag Hiro in the post, but didn't disclose
Speaker 1: whether the was a paid or gifted partnership. As someone
Speaker 1: who follows her quite closely, I feel like she does
Speaker 1: this with a lot of partners well. The owners were
Speaker 1: quick to cut up Sarah's glowing reviews for their social media.
Speaker 1: They wrote, when you check your DMS and Sarah's day
Speaker 1: gives you a shout out on her Instagram stories, you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a good day. It continued,
Speaker 1: we couldn't be prouder to be hydrating an icon of
Speaker 1: Australian online influencing and someone who absolutely needs to stay
Speaker 1: hydrated getting through all that she does on the day
Speaker 1: to day plus pregnancy.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: The owners, Stephen and Taylor, were really giving the impression
Speaker 1: that Sarah randomly came across this relatively unknown brand and
Speaker 1: was so blown away that she just had to post
Speaker 1: about it to her over a million followers. Here's what
Speaker 1: they said. We just had some in coming messages in
Speaker 1: from Sarah's day, tagging.
Speaker 4: Us in a few Medias's days. I feel like she's
Speaker 4: just one of the OG influences.
Speaker 5: Wake up.
Speaker 8: This one of the Sarah's days. Pretty epic twenty four
Speaker 8: hours watches. That's so exciting. Orders are starting to flow
Speaker 8: through already statuned.
Speaker 1: This just felt very twenty seventeen because in this video
Speaker 1: the owners are acting as though Sarah has organically come
Speaker 1: across this product, when in reality we know that they
Speaker 1: would have spent months trying to get noticed by her.
Speaker 1: This would have been some sort of paid partnership. As
Speaker 1: we know, she isn't just posting about.
Speaker 2: Anyone for free.
Speaker 1: And the reason the water is so muddy in this
Speaker 1: situation is because Sarah quite often doesn't disclose paid partnerships
Speaker 1: as you touched on, which leads people to think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this time around, this is a genuine product that
Speaker 1: she really likes, and this is just a recommendation she's
Speaker 1: letting us know about now. The owners continued saying that
Speaker 1: they have been inundated with orders and people following their
Speaker 1: accounts since Sarah endorsed their product. Now, the endorsement hasn't
Speaker 1: stopped there, so Sarah has continued to share about this
Speaker 1: drink for months on end, with no hashtag, ad or
Speaker 1: partnership disclosure. At the end of last year, she shared
Speaker 1: a YouTube video just casually using Hiro in a smoothie recipe,
Speaker 1: and Hydro has also been casually shared as part of
Speaker 1: her workout routine across her Instagram story. I picked up
Speaker 1: on this straight away and I was like, I bet
Speaker 1: you she's being paid, because, as you said, Sophie, she's
Speaker 1: not the sort of influencer who's going to just share
Speaker 1: something and tag it out of the goodness of her heart. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 1: what has actually been.
Speaker 2: Going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Well, to put all of this into context, Sarah's first
Speaker 1: post about Hiro was made in July of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and that's also when the owners made the gushing posts
Speaker 1: about how excited they were that Sarah was trying their product. Now,
Speaker 1: if we fast forward to January twenty twenty five, we
Speaker 1: are now privy to what has really been going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So on the twentieth of January, Sarah
Speaker 1: and Hiro announced that Sarah was a part owner and
Speaker 1: an investor in the company. As predicted, this wasn't just
Speaker 1: some chance discovery from Sarah. The owner said that they
Speaker 1: contacted Sarah in early twenty twenty four and sent her
Speaker 1: drink hoping that she would like it. In April twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, so three months before her first post about Hiro,
Speaker 1: she replied to the owners saying, Hey, Steve, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: your bubba has arrived, so congratulations we got the product
Speaker 1: and love it to me. Sarah commenting about the founder's
Speaker 1: kids indicates that there's some sort of prior relationship there,
Speaker 1: so clearly there's been more back and forth about her
Speaker 1: trying the product. The owners then said they arranged a
Speaker 1: meeting with Sarah and Kurt in June, so a month
Speaker 1: before this first post. Let's throw to a snippet of
Speaker 1: what they said. The timing was perfect. Sarah was pregnant,
Speaker 1: feeling dehydrated and fatigued, and Hiro became her go to.
Speaker 1: Kurt got hooked too, using it daily to fill his
Speaker 1: training and busy dad lack. In June, we met out
Speaker 1: with Sarah and Kurt to taste his new flavors and
Speaker 1: chat about how we could work together as a small startup.
Speaker 1: We didn't want just another paid partnership. We wanted something real,
Speaker 1: something long term. After months of conversations, we made it happen.
Speaker 1: Sarah didn't just join as an ambassador.
Speaker 4: She's now an invest a.
Speaker 1: Part owner in hiro. This means so much to us
Speaker 1: because Sarah's built an incredible community of people that care
Speaker 1: about health, family, and balance just like we do. So
Speaker 1: to put this all into perspective, Sarah and Kurt agreed
Speaker 1: to become investors and partners in this business in June.
Speaker 1: So for seven months, Sarah has been sharing about a
Speaker 1: product that she has a financial stake in, as though
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a stake in it, and as though
Speaker 1: it is just an organic product that she's been using
Speaker 1: because of the benefits.
Speaker 2: This is so incredibly deceptive.
Speaker 1: It just shows that this type of marketing works, though, because,
Speaker 1: as the owner said, Sarah simply posting about the drinks
Speaker 1: makes them sell out of their warehouse several times.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand why has she just not been.
Speaker 1: Upfront Because she's had other business ventures where her name's
Speaker 1: been slapped on stuff, So she's always talking about her
Speaker 1: White Fox boutique line. When she brought out sunglasses when
Speaker 1: she brought out Bathers. I think has been a strategy
Speaker 1: because if you look back at her success with Tripeka,
Speaker 1: as we touched on last week, people genuine only bought
Speaker 1: into the hype around it because back then there wasn't
Speaker 1: so much ad disclosure and people thought, wow, this drink
Speaker 1: is just part of her regular routine. So if her
Speaker 1: consumers think, wow, Sarah's just using this drink because it
Speaker 1: must be really helpful for her workouts, they buy into
Speaker 1: it more than if it was introduced to them as, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this new brand that I'm investing in. Does
Speaker 1: it mean that the brand of Sarah's Day isn't as
Speaker 1: powerful as it once was, because for me, it seems
Speaker 1: strange that an influencer who has such a large following
Speaker 1: wants to almost remove herself from the product even though
Speaker 1: she is an investor in it. Well, she has subsequently
Speaker 1: announced that she is going to be bringing out her
Speaker 1: own Hiro flavor, and this was after she finally came
Speaker 1: clean with her audience about the drink on January twentieth,
Speaker 1: So in a daily vlog she said this.
Speaker 9: Anyway, good morning, I am mixing up my Hiro. This
Speaker 9: is my electrolytes. They are ooh delicious. I'm having the
Speaker 9: lemon and lime flavor. It kind of tastes like a
Speaker 9: splice with ice cold water chef's kIPS, especially after hot pilates.
Speaker 9: A handful of you guys actually guessed it, but you
Speaker 9: would have seen in a vlog last year. I think
Speaker 9: it was around June July twenty twenty four, I had
Speaker 9: a meeting with the founders of Hiro, and long story shot,
Speaker 9: I ended up investing in the company. I love the founders,
Speaker 9: I love the business model, I love the product. So
Speaker 9: you'll be seeing a lot more with me and Hiro,
Speaker 9: and potentially a new flavor that I've come up with.
Speaker 1: I went back to look at her vlogs over this
Speaker 1: period of time to see if this meeting was included,
Speaker 1: and she did go to a secret project meeting in
Speaker 1: a June vlog, but that was with who is Elijah,
Speaker 1: which is the perfume brand that she's collaborating with. I
Speaker 1: did not see any reference to a secret meeting with Hiro.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if she's trying to appear as if
Speaker 1: she's been really upfront with her audience about this partnership
Speaker 1: from the get go, when realistically it doesn't appear that
Speaker 1: she has been Do you feel like she is somewhat
Speaker 1: seeking revenge on Tripeka, because, as we discussed in last
Speaker 1: week's episode, during an old episode of her podcast, The
Speaker 1: Health Code, she said that she likes to get revenge
Speaker 1: on sponsors that she's parted ways with by dominating the
Speaker 1: same interest as that brand. And this does seem like
Speaker 1: quite good revenge to be a part owner and investor
Speaker 1: in a very similar product. I wonder if she wanted
Speaker 1: to get shares in Tripeka and they refused, or perhaps
Speaker 1: she actually did have shares at one point, because she
Speaker 1: literally was the face of Tripeka for so many years.
Speaker 1: And I can see why Hiro have jumped on board
Speaker 1: to get her involved as well, because, as they said,
Speaker 1: the drink has been selling a lot. I just don't
Speaker 1: like the way she's marketing it. I do feel like
Speaker 1: it is quite deceptive to have a stake in this
Speaker 1: drink brand for, as you said, over nearly eight to
Speaker 1: nine months and only just now be telling everyone where
Speaker 1: was your ad disclosure. I'm confused that she doesn't face
Speaker 1: any ramifications for this type of behavior with the A
Speaker 1: Triple C. I wonder if it's because people are so
Speaker 1: unaware that this isn't AD they don't even bother reporting it.
Speaker 2: It's that deceptive in saying that.
Speaker 1: As someone who is pretty sad obviously in the influencers
Speaker 1: space having this podcast, I knew straightaway that it was
Speaker 1: a partnership. Most influencers don't tag a brand if there's
Speaker 1: not some sort of kickback for them, So I think
Speaker 1: if you're a savvy consumer of influencer content, you knew
Speaker 1: that there was a partnership there. I get the impression
Speaker 1: that influencers know that they can get away with it,
Speaker 1: and that's why they do it. There is great area though,
Speaker 1: now that she actually has a financial stake in the brand,
Speaker 1: because it's not like, for example, Steph Kleas Smith and
Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw always put AD paid partnership when they're talking
Speaker 1: about their own business and promoting it. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: upfront with the fact that they have a financial stake
Speaker 1: in it. You know that it's their business. For seven
Speaker 1: months now, we haven't known that Sarah had anything.
Speaker 8: To do with it.
Speaker 1: I am fascinated that she has decided to invest in
Speaker 1: this product and not just be an ambassador. I think
Speaker 1: that's a really big step, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: because she got sick of brands dropping her once they
Speaker 1: got enough exposure for her. We've seen her name be
Speaker 1: removed from so many brands and they just continue on
Speaker 1: without her. Well, it's a very good business move that
Speaker 1: a lot of successful people use. The business comes to you,
Speaker 1: says that we want to use you to expose our
Speaker 1: brand to your audience, and you say, well, I'd like
Speaker 1: a ten percent stake in it. I wonder how her
Speaker 1: followers feel about this type of advertising and if they
Speaker 1: feel a bit deceived, because I would feel a bit
Speaker 1: silly if I saw her what I thought organically talking
Speaker 1: about how fantastic this product is, and then later revealing
Speaker 1: that she actually had a financial stake in it, I
Speaker 1: would think, oh, okay, I'm probably not going to trust
Speaker 1: her recommendation and reviews going forward. I think that's a
Speaker 1: bit of a naive look at the influencer space, though,
Speaker 1: because it's not like we're in twenty eleven where we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: the influencer must really like this product. Like everyone knows
Speaker 1: that what people are spooking on their social media channel
Speaker 1: needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But
Speaker 1: I do think that there are genuine micro influencers who
Speaker 1: share really helpful reviews, and with TikTok, we're seeing everyday
Speaker 1: people share about products in a very genuine way. But
Speaker 1: that's not Sarah's day, and that's never been a mo
Speaker 1: because a lot of people used to get sucked in. Originally,
Speaker 1: when she was talking about her Loving Earth Chocolate and
Speaker 1: her Trapeqe Care, they didn't know that she had a
Speaker 1: brand deal with them. But we're now savvy enough to
Speaker 1: know she's not just helping her followers, she's helping her payback.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think people are moving away from
Speaker 1: taking recommendations and advice from social media influences and moving
Speaker 1: towards genuine TikTok reviews.
Speaker 2: From everyday people.
Speaker 1: Now, when I was taking a deeper look into Hiro,
Speaker 1: I found a marketing campaign they ran in August which
Speaker 1: was quite disturbing. So the basis of the campaign is
Speaker 1: that the owner, Steven, declared that he was fasting until
Speaker 1: they reached their first one thousand sales. Oh god, now,
Speaker 1: at the time they were sitting on nine hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty one sales. Let's throw it to what he said.
Speaker 8: Starting a water only a hirofast until we a thousand
Speaker 8: gus started a couple days ago. I've it's been having
Speaker 8: water and hiro. Okay, this is a good idea.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad you're having the hiro. We're at least
Speaker 10: replacing the electrolytes which are critical, and you've also got
Speaker 10: some vitamin C in there as well. My preference is
Speaker 10: that this only goes on for a week, but take nally,
Speaker 10: we can get you up to twenty one day now.
Speaker 1: In the caption, they did point out that Highro is
Speaker 1: actually perfectly suited for fasting, as it contains all the
Speaker 1: electrolytes you need and no sugar, so your body apparently
Speaker 1: does stay in katosis throughout. This was followed up by
Speaker 1: Steven interviewing the company's dietitian about his fasting stunt.
Speaker 8: What else am I going to experience this?
Speaker 10: So obviously headaches, fatigue, really low energy.
Speaker 8: Okay, So what you're saying is should I do this
Speaker 8: or not?
Speaker 10: I think the reality is you're doing it. Focus on
Speaker 10: your hydration, drink plenty of Highro, and let's get those thousand.
Speaker 8: Customers over to you guys, please save me. Head to
Speaker 8: the website now and order so I can start drinking
Speaker 8: more than just this.
Speaker 1: I was shocked when I watched this video. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he was able to get a nutritionist to say
Speaker 1: that it was okay for him to be consuming just
Speaker 1: water and hiro for twenty one days. This makes me
Speaker 1: lose any truck in the so called scientific claims made
Speaker 1: by this product. This just seems insane to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's clearly using shock value to sell products. I do question, though,
Speaker 1: what type of effects There's Day has had on this
Speaker 1: company if they thought it would take twenty one days
Speaker 1: for him to get thirty nine orders through. Now it's
Speaker 1: that time of the week where we have our Friday
Speaker 1: debrief and I'm gonna kick us off. I have a
Speaker 1: hire to share with you guys. So Jack, he is
Speaker 1: nearly eight months old, and he just started crawling this week.
Speaker 1: And I have heard this is where things get serious.
Speaker 1: So you're having to move everything, you're having to babyproof
Speaker 1: the house, you're running around. But it was such a
Speaker 1: joy to see him crawl. And it's so funny because
Speaker 1: it's not his toys that he's crawling towards. It's everything
Speaker 1: that he's not meant to have, So it's my phone
Speaker 1: or it's the dog toy. He actually first crawled to
Speaker 1: my frank green water bottle and he tried to grab it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is nearly as big as you.
Speaker 1: He's pretty fast as well, because he's only been doing
Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. I couldn't leave the
Speaker 1: speed he was taking on the carpet. I love that
Speaker 1: this is your high. Will it suddenly turn into your
Speaker 1: low causing draper?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: I also have a question for our listeners who are momths.
Speaker 1: So Jack is at an age where his wake windows
Speaker 1: aren't as dominated by his feeds anymore. So I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of time to play with him, and we
Speaker 1: go and play with the toys that he got for Christmas,
Speaker 1: but I'm personally getting bored of them, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: he probably is too. I have seen a few TikTok
Speaker 1: videos where it shows activities for you to do with
Speaker 1: your kids. So I filled up this big saucepan and
Speaker 1: put blocks in it, and it was all well and
Speaker 1: good until he tried to pour it over. Does anyone
Speaker 1: have any activities that take up a lot of time
Speaker 1: that are enjoyable for not only Jack, but for me.
Speaker 1: Because it's getting to a point where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. It's funny you asked that
Speaker 1: because I'm on kitten Took because I've got a new kitten, Winnie,
Speaker 1: and I've seen all these people that been doing all
Speaker 1: these enrichment activities with their cats, which make me feel
Speaker 1: so guilty, Like I didn't even know that was the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does make you feel guilty because you're like, hang on,
Speaker 1: while I've been focusing on him trying to crawl, have
Speaker 1: I been doing enough language activities with him?
Speaker 2: Like it's just never ending.
Speaker 1: My Friday share is a bit of a different one
Speaker 1: to yours. Okay, not so wholesome. I had a very
Speaker 1: scary experience at a Hungry Jack's drive through on Saturday nights.
Speaker 1: Did someone drop a whopper? Had a joke that went
Speaker 1: through front of me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, basically I was. It was around eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: right before Hungry Jack's closed. I was actually picking my
Speaker 1: partner something up. This wasn't a pregnancy craving and I
Speaker 1: was in the car by myself, and I made my
Speaker 1: order and I sat in the drive through for ten
Speaker 1: minutes whilst I was waiting for the car in front
Speaker 1: of me. Now, the car in front of me had
Speaker 1: a husband and wife, I think in their forties in there,
Speaker 1: and I thought that they knew the girl at the
Speaker 1: front desk at at the front window. They seemed to
Speaker 1: be engaged in some sort of conversation. I thought that
Speaker 1: they were smiling. It turns out they were actually yelling
Speaker 1: at this poor girl. Now, when it got to about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes that I was still in this line, I
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is going going on? Am
Speaker 1: I going to get my food? Am I going to
Speaker 1: get out of here? Because that was the only exit anyway,
Speaker 1: Whilst I was waiting, this teenage girl from Hungry Jack's,
Speaker 1: one of the workers. She came out and delivered me
Speaker 1: my meal on foot and explained that the car in
Speaker 1: front of me was abusing them over wanting to get
Speaker 1: a refund. So did she bring out the credit card
Speaker 1: thing too? Not already paid by this dage. I was
Speaker 1: just waiting for my food, and she said, oh, look,
Speaker 1: they're not going to move, so you might just want
Speaker 1: to reverse out. And I had just recently got my
Speaker 1: car fixed and there was no way I was going
Speaker 1: to be reversing out of the drive through, So I
Speaker 1: said do you reckon? I could just toot them and
Speaker 1: it might encourage them to leave. Sophie hasn't added that
Speaker 1: she had me on the other end of the phone,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, just be careful.
Speaker 2: You never know how people are going to react.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get home by then, so I
Speaker 1: tried to do a friendly too, you know, when it's
Speaker 1: not a full It was not friendly. It did not
Speaker 1: sound friendly for me at my end. They didn't react.
Speaker 1: So then I called out the window, sorry, do you
Speaker 1: mind moving?
Speaker 2: I can't get out anyway.
Speaker 1: The woman tries to open her door. She couldn't she
Speaker 1: was so close to the drive through window. Then the
Speaker 1: husband throws his door back before coming over to my car.
Speaker 1: He then runs over to the front window, starts abusing
Speaker 1: the girl some more, storms over to my car window,
Speaker 1: and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to punch the bonnet of my car.
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you want?
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. I am she's
Speaker 2: just trying to get out of the drive through. You
Speaker 2: guys are blocking me.
Speaker 1: And he's like, these people are assholes and starts complaining
Speaker 1: about his meal and that they didn't give him a refund. Think, sir,
Speaker 1: you were the asshole. I did not say anything at
Speaker 1: this point. If I were you, I would have been like,
Speaker 1: I'm just a pregnant lady trying to get Hungry Jack. Well.
Speaker 1: I actually thought I was gonna get punched in the face. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: he then says to me, Okay, we'll move, but just
Speaker 1: want to know that we've called the police over the
Speaker 1: Hungry Jacks and then other police having to deal with
Speaker 1: incidents like this, like they do not own enough. These
Speaker 1: other poor teenage worker from Hungry Jacks literally ran out
Speaker 1: to see if I was okay because she thought that
Speaker 1: the man might have physically anyway. This was all for
Speaker 1: a meal that wasn't even for me. It was very traumatizing.
Speaker 1: I left completely sweaty and shaking. And so do you
Speaker 1: no longer have cravings for Hungry Jacks now as part
Speaker 1: of your pregnancies that put you on I've never had
Speaker 1: Hungry Jack's cravings. I'm a McDonald's girl through and through.
Speaker 1: So I was very annoyed. I rang up my husband
Speaker 1: and was like, God, I've been through shit to get
Speaker 1: this meal for you. Well, I've got a recommendation for you, guys.
Speaker 1: It is a TV show and it's for anyone else
Speaker 1: who loves crime drama. So it is an old one.
Speaker 1: It's a twenty thirteen series called The Fall, but it
Speaker 1: is a lot like the show broad Church, which I
Speaker 1: got you guys onto. So it stars actress Gillian Anderson.
Speaker 1: You'll know her from Sex Edge. She also played Margaret
Speaker 1: Thatcher in The Crown and she was in The X Files.
Speaker 1: She is amazing anything she's in I watch. It's also
Speaker 1: got Christian Gray from Fifty Shades of Gray, the guy who.
Speaker 2: Played him in it highly recommend.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's not really selling it to me. That
Speaker 1: was from twenty thirteen, but broad Church was from the
Speaker 1: same era and I got into that, so maybe may
Speaker 1: listeners will have to give it a go. It's got everything,
Speaker 1: it's got hot people, it's got crime. Well, I'm for
Speaker 1: seasons into suits and I'm obsessed with it, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'll give it a go. After that, Well, I think
Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you
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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to
Speaker 1: elders past and present