WEBVTT - 'I Felt Broke...' 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.240 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:07.080 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.720 Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Anna Poule 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:15.480 finally responds to those explosive claims. Sarah's Day is unveiled 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.400 as a secret investor in a new powdered drink company 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:24.080 and our Friday Debrief. But first TikToker Sammy Guggenheimer has 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.120 hit backer claim she gate keeps products from her followers. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.680 The Melbourne lifestyle influencer made no fans when she defended herself, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.720 exclaiming you should try being an influencer for a day. Well. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.239 It all started when a TikToker called flour Sky uploaded 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.360 a video asking if anyone else had noticed that certain 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.199 Australian influencers don't respond to comments. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:46.520 Here's what she said. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.000 Has anyone else noticed that there are some influences on 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.120 this art that would rather die than respond to their 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.320 followers in the comments. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:56.160 Black. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.639 I see it so often, especially with. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.720 Some specific influencer. I'm not gonna take. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.280 Names, but their followers and fans or whatever their community 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.400 will be like, oh my god, where's your top from 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.080 where are your shoes from? Their comment section is so dead, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.280 like I've never seen anything so quiet in my life, dead. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:20.000 Silent, And I'm like, Firstly, how have you been a community? 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.039 Secondly, isn't that like your. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.119 Job to sell stuff and influence people and like tell 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.280 them where's from so then they go buy it. I 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.479 don't know, maybe I've misread the whole influencer. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:31.360 Things, but. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.000 I really agree with Flur. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.520 There's been so many occasions where I'm desperate to know 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.759 where an influencers outfits from, and there'll be so many 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.680 comments in the comment section begging them to drop us 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.839 some crumbs and some clues as to where it's from. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.800 So isn't that their whole job, like actually to engage 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.040 with their audience as well. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.760 Sarah's Day does it a lot well. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.320 It often seems like if the influencer has purchased the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.400 item themselves, then they're actually not willing to give the details. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.640 It's always awkward when an influencer does a try on 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.200 hold with a particular brand. It's a fast fashioned brand, 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.440 but everyone wants to know where the original outfit was 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.760 that isn't sponsored, and you can tell that they just 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.880 don't want to say anything because they don't want to 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.679 detract from the brand. Yeah. I think it's so silly though, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.359 because if they actually provide genuine recommendations to people, when 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.880 they do try and spook something that's paid, it actually 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.680 seems more genuine. The worst gatekeeping is when people do 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.359 it around weddings. There were so many times I'd be 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.440 on web talk and I just desperately want to know 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.360 where a pair of pajamas was, and no one would reply. Well, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.919 it's clear that flirst sentiments really resonated with a lot 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.639 of people. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.000 Because the video went viral. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.720 She only has nine hundred and fifty eight followers, but 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.440 the video wrapped up over six hundred and fifty three 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.800 thousand views and more than seven hundred comments, and one 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:48.000 influencer's name kept popping up in the comments, Sammy Guggenheimer. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.760 So for those not familiar with Sammy, she is a 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.960 twenty two year old Melbourne influencer. She has over two 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.000 hundred and ninety six thousand followers on TikTok and one 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.919 hundred and forty six thousand on Instagram and she offer 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.800 goes by the name Sammy Googs or a TikTok handle 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.640 short Girl Tall Dreams, and she shares a lot of 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.080 lifestyle and fashion content, as well as relationship advice on 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.720 her podcast Just for Girls. This time last year, she 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.880 announced her split from her AFL boyfriend Kayleb Polter, which 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:15.639 gained a lot of. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:16.520 Traction for her. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.400 Well, Sammy might not respond to her followers in her 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.160 comments section, but she clearly checks her tags because she 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.600 shared a response to the viral video. So in the video, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.880 she denied she was gatekeeping products from her followers and 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.520 explained that rather than responding to questions, she instead tags 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.000 her products on her Instagram story. She then said this. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.640 There's no point gatekeeping products because we all got to 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.600 share things around here. But if I am not, it's 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.200 because I'm not reading my comments. Is because as people 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:52.160 that are rude and mean and commenting mean things on 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.440 my videos. So a lot of the time I just 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.760 don't read my comments because I have to protect my peace. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.680 You should try being an influencer and getting hate every 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.880 day and getting slandered every day. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:08.800 That's it. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.280 Yeah, I always taggening some my Instagram story. There's no 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.960 point gaykeeping. If something's good, I'm gonna share it, and 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:23.080 I do do that. But yeah, I know my truth, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.920 I know my peace. Yeah, I'm protecting some of it 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.559 if I don't readbuild the comments because I'm literally getting 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.200 slandered online. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:32.960 Yeah. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:39.039 So yeah, this pimple here, it's from chocolate, bought it 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:45.840 at will is. Yeah, it's just frustrating, like you can 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:46.920 never do anything right. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.520 I was really taken aback by Sammy's tone on this video. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.440 How do these people have followers and why are they 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.880 so condescending to the followers that make them money. It's 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.360 very unlikable. I don't know out of her followers, who's 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.400 sitting there being like, yeah. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:00.520 One hundred percent. I agree with her. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.279 A job of an influencer is so difficult. We have 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.440 spoken in length about influencers being trolled on tattle Life, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.320 and I think it's shit that she does get mean 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.159 comments directed at her on her videos. And I do 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.320 think that it is a good thing that she is 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.520 trying to avoid reading that commentary. But when you're big 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.400 on TikTok, I don't think you can because it's all 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.520 about engagement and it's all about building a community, and 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.119 if you're not responding to simple comments about oh where'd 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.520 you get that from? Then it just looks a bit 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.000 sloppy and lazy. I feel like this excuse is a 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.559 bit of a cop out. I think that the reason 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.040 she's not letting her TikTok followers know where she gets 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.840 her outfits from isn't because she doesn't want to look 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.960 at the comments. It's because she wants people to go 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.240 over to her Instagram, where she can link her LTK 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.520 and make money off the items that she tas well. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:47.320 I'm sure this will. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.680 Change with a lot of influencers when Australia brings in 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.719 the TikTok shop and we're suddenly linking everything. I did 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.919 love that one of the commenters suggested that she just 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.680 adds the outfit or product details in the caption so 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.160 that she didn't actually have to read the negative commentary. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.559 I made a video addressing every time anyone say anything 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.520 bad about me. I would be posting all day long, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.640 every single day, as would every other content creator. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.279 That's what the whole four you page will be filled with. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.720 But I think we can all agree that this has 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.760 gotten a little bit big and a little bit much 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.599 so now here I am and I'm never doing this again. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.960 I don't address stuff like this, but it has gotten 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:20.400 very big. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.200 Anna Paul has finally responded to the allegations leveled against 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.320 her by former friend Mikayla Test. It took the Only 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.160 Fans creator almost a week to reply to the explosive claims, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.800 which caused the Internet to call for her cancelation. Now, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.240 it was pretty kind of Anna to upload her response 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.240 just three hours after we had finalized Tuesday's episode about 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.279 the scandal. Now, for those who missed the episode, Kate, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.880 can you give us a refresher? Yeah, I can't say 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.839 it was pleased when Sovie sent that link through to 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.600 me at eight o'clock at night. Now, Mikayla was not 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.840 only friends with Anna, but she was a big part 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.760 of the Paul family. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.920 She dated Anna's brother Adis for a couple of. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.720 Years before they broke up in twenty twenty two, and 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.320 on Wednesday last week, Mickayla released an eight minute expose 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.320 on Anna and Attis. Now, the allegations leveled against Adis 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.720 are of a serious nature and for legal reasons, we 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:11.840 can't go into them. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.960 As for the claims against Anna. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:18.560 Michayla called her calculated, manipulative, and evil. She also accused 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.480 Anna of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.560 to her only fans account with the lure of a 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.640 cash giveaway. Michayla also alleged Anna doesn't care about her 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.440 fans and that the way she presents herself publicly is 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.760 very different to Anna behind closed doors. She also said 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.680 that the messaging Anna pushes about body positivity is just 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.679 for clout, and claims she called a fan fat and sweaty. Lastly, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.360 she alleged that Anna had lied about growing up poor 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.480 and actually grew up upper middle class. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:46.160 Now. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.720 Anna uploaded her own eight minute video to TikTok on 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.120 Monday night, and she started out by prefacing that she 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.360 doesn't normally address negative commentary, but the situation was too 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.800 big now to ignore. Here's more of That's what Anna said. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.760 The reason why I've taken so long is because this 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.600 all took me by surprise, and it was a very 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.720 big shock to me because somebody that I thought was 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.400 my friend and that I was close with really hurt me. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.000 And two months ago she was asking me to go 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.559 to Fiji with her on a girl's trip, and last 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.920 year when my dad was apparently homeless and that was 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.600 going everywhere crazy on TikTok, She was the one helping 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.560 me through it, sending me voice message, just telling me, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.240 don't listen to the people online. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.320 They're dumb. Everyone is stupid. Tell Papa it's going to 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.440 be okay. I hope Papa's okay. Don't tell them not 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.080 to listen. She was helping me. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.439 So now this has all come as a very very 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.520 big shock and surprise, because I thought we were friends. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.520 Anna saying that she was too shocked to respond isn't 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.679 an adequate excuse for this delay. It was this delay 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.120 in responding to the allegations that let this situation get 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.200 out of control. Yeah, because it gave people time to 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.800 pick aside and this just spread like wildfire across TikTok 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.200 and then also into the mainstream media. I disagree, as 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.960 I said on Tuesday's episode, I think that Anna needed 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.360 some time and space to respond adequately. That is why 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.120 I am so surprised that this response in particular took 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:07.920 a week. I thought she was going to come out 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.920 with something that would absolutely shoot down Mikayla's claim. Yeah, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.240 because what she should have said after this delay was 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.320 that she was taking the allegation seriously and wanted to 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.320 address it appropriately. She also could have said that she 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:20.960 know she was trying to get a feel for how 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.960 her community had reacted and was feeling after it and 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.640 was discussing it with her team, but nothing. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:27.079 Like that was said. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.480 Well, she came out and said that she had no 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.199 PR team working on this response. She even panned her 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.120 camera around during this TikTok to show that she was 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.600 by herself and reiterated there was no script. She was 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:39.720 just talking to the capistry. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:40.720 Bloody needed a script. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.360 And I actually think that she said this in response 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.280 to what Veruka had put on her story. So Veruka 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.480 Soult came out in response and said, look, I managed 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.280 to pan this statement in five minutes, Anna Paul. If 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.800 she's telling the truth, she'd be able to pick up 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.600 her phone and just pump out a video after watching 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.640 the shambles of a response. I don't think that she 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.520 needed to pan the camera around to prove that there 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.400 was no autocue because it was just terrible. I just 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.760 confused why she didn't have the assistance of a PR 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.120 team or do we believe that a PR team assisted 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.200 her and she was claiming that no one did. She 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.920 did slip up during the statement and referenced her team. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.040 I would be shocked though, if a professional PR team 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.440 approved this message. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:21.720 Yeah. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:22.440 Yeah. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.400 It didn't have any indication that a PR manager had 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.160 looked over this. It seems to me like maybe Anna 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.520 sat down with Addis and her mum and came up 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.080 with this respect I think she thought that she'd seem 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.360 more relatable and genuine if she pointed out that she 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.400 didn't have help from a PR team and she was 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.880 just speaking from the heart. Yeah. Well, Anna went on 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.040 to say that she wanted to address the allegations regarding 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.120 her her being the operative word, so it was clear 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.040 from the get go that she wasn't going to speak 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.079 on her brother. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:50.760 Addis's behalf. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.319 Now. I understand it's not her place to talk for Addas, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.720 and if she had tried to defend him, I don't 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.840 think it would have looked good. But to not even 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.679 acknowledge that Mikayla had made very serious allegations against her 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.920 brother from a top level perspective really trivialized this whole situation. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.360 At the end of the day, she's not responsible for 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.880 her brother's actions, but I think that it was misleading. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:12.200 Not to touch on it. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.160 I think she was really playing into TikTok's algorithm in 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.200 the sense that people would watch the video not be 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.160 fully across the story, so it kind of ended up 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.400 looking like this really petty disagreement between two friends. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.800 I was also really disappointed. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.000 That Anna completely ignored the most serious allegation leveled at her, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.680 so that was in regards to her giveaway and allegedly 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.400 incentivizing her underage audience to subscribe to her OnlyFans account. Instead, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.880 she chose to focus on the not so serious claim. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.679 So she denied calling a fan she met fat and 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.280 that she lied about growing up poor. This is what 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.360 she had to say about the fan encounter. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.200 A fan came up to me and we hugged, and 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.240 after she'd walked away, I said, oh my god, she 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.800 was so fat and sweaty. Now I do not call 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.959 my fans fat. That's not who I am, though's not 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.760 what I stand for. That's not what I've ever stood for. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.120 There's no sure that's not what I simple sweaty. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.560 However, I may have called her sweaty because when somebody 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.199 is wet and they touch you and then they leave, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.679 and when you're with your best friend and you are 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.679 now wet because of them, you may say I am 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.040 now wet again. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.400 This was four years ago, but that may have happened. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.880 And I also know that people would have hugged me, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.160 walked away and said Anna Paul was sweaty. 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.760 That does not make them a bad person. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.320 That's just them pointing out that after two people touched, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.440 they are now sweaty or wet. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.560 And I think I wanted to say that she hugs 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.840 thousands of people at her meat and greets and in 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:37.079 the process her shoulder ends up touching people's sweaty underarms, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.439 and she explained after events that she has to clean 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.600 her shoulder with a wet wipe to. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:43.960 Get rid of the bo smell. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.960 I don't think that Anna could have made it more 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.839 obvious that this fan encounter did happen, and it did 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.880 play out in the way that Mikayla alleged. She literally 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.640 admitted to calling the fans sweaty and then followed up 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.960 by saying that basically she has to get a brother 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.640 to fucking wet wipe her down and hugging other fans appearance. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.760 But if it didn't happen as well, how would you 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.880 remember that incident? Yeah, and calling someone sweaty, that doesn't 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.079 have a great connotation attached to it. Overall, even if 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.000 she didn't use the word fat, it doesn't sound like 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.600 she was very nice about this fan giving her a heart. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.839 I love all the subsequent tiktoks that have come out 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.559 after this. There's videos of people pretending to be Anna 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.360 running straight to the shower after meeting Fat. It sounds 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.520 like it makes her sound like she's repulsed by her 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.600 fans going forward. I'd be really nervous to meet Anna 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:27.320 Paul particularly. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:28.320 I mean, she lives on. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.280 The Gold Coast that is a very hot, sweaty and 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:31.120 human environment. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:32.000 But you know when you. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.160 Are lying about something and you go over the top 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.120 about it and it comes across like it's such a lie. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.760 That's how it played out, because she was so help 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.000 bent on no no, I said, sweaty, yeah. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:43.560 Fat, Yeah. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.480 Well, if you think things couldn't get any worse, they did. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.360 Let's hear what Anna had to say about the allegation 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.680 she lied about growing up being poor. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.160 The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.480 I do not lie about the fact that I. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:13:59.920 Grew up broke. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.000 When I say I grew up broke, that is my 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.600 experience that is how I felt. When I can hear 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.000 my parents talking in the kitchen that the budget for 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.120 the groceries that week is thirty dollars. It makes me 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.559 feel broke where we kind of affords greuniforms. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.560 It makes me feel broke when I'm eleven. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.040 When I'm ten and all my friends can afford something 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:16.880 and my parents can't. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.199 It makes me feel. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.840 Broke when they say, oh, I don't know how we're 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.240 gonna afford rent next week. That makes me scared. It 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.800 makes me feel broke. That does not mean that I 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.359 was the most broke person on earth. There are definitely 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.000 people in way worse situations than me. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.520 But that does not mean that I'm. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.680 Lying about the fact that I felt broke during those times. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.840 How did Anna not realize that her line I felt 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.680 broke was gonna go viral? I mean, she has been 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:40.880 on TikTok for a long time. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.640 It was at this. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.600 Point where I thought, hmm, I think she probably should 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.880 have made a written statement because a lot of what 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.560 she said can easily be stitched up, and people are 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:51.880 now responding to it. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.720 It's gotten even bigger. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.240 It really had jamaking vibes to it, and as you said, Amy, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.360 This has created a real viral moment on TikTok. This 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.440 has become a trending sound and people are making jokes 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.280 about what made them feel poor as kids, whether their 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.800 parents wouldn't allow them to have a Dolly magazine, or 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.760 if they couldn't go through the McDonald's drive. My favorite 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.680 is someone filling up an ASoP soap bottle with cheap 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.600 soap and saying, this is. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:17.920 What happens when I feel broke. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.480 I mean jokes aside to essentially say that being poor 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.360 is a mindset. Truly did upset a lot of people. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.680 What I don't get is it's the easiest accusation to 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.200 provide receipts. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.360 For which she did not provide. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.360 It just backed up Michayla's claims that it seems like 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.440 she has been cosplaying being poor to relate to her Audi. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.600 This is the whole issue with her response. She focused 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.560 on these petty allegations. She should have been clear and concisely. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.600 She shouldn't have released an eight minute video. It should 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.280 have been a lot shorter. She almost just was tripping 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.160 herself up with her responses. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:51.360 Well. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.040 She also decided to use the video to address the 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.600 receipts that have been popping up on TikTok regarding her 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.960 apparent wealth as a child. So she denied the photo 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.800 doing the rounds were of her childhood home or car. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.160 Her defense was that the Internet didn't exist when she 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.480 was a child, nor did she have social media, therefore 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.160 the photos wouldn't be on the Internet. I couldn't believe 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.160 this because Anna is only twenty five. She was born 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.520 in nineteen ninety nine. For the record, we did have 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.560 the Internet back then, and Facebook was launched in two 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.600 thousand and four and MySpace in two thousand and three 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.360 when we were all at high school. So there definitely 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.800 could have been a digital footprint of her growing up 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.920 in the early two thousand or so. Maybe she didn't 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.040 put it up when she was seven, but people post 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.240 a lot of childhood photos once they're older now. Anna 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.840 then addressed the old photos being dug up on her 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.480 Instagram account. So for those who haven't seen them, there's 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.840 a whole bunch of photos that have gone viral showing 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.280 her traveling in first class, and there's also another one 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.440 of her wearing a Gucci watch. And this is what 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:51.840 she said about those photos. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.320 Social media is fake it is not real Instagram. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.520 It's all fake and it can be faked. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.520 So this is just a perfect example of that. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.960 There's a photo of me sitting in first class when 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.560 I was like thirteen years old. Please don't quote me. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.119 Maybe I was twelve, Maybe I was eleven, maybe I 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:05.480 was fourteen. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.919 I don't know. Back I'm gonna say thirteen. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.200 And I posted on Instagram and people are saying, look, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:11.719 this is her first class when she's thirteen. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:12.280 She's a liar. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.439 She was always rich. Now, what you don't know about 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.359 that photo is that that was a flight that my 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.720 uncle paid for, and it was an economy flight because 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.040 my whole family lives in Germany and we were in Australia. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.800 So my uncle wanted my brother and I to go 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.440 see our grandparents, so he bought us two economy tickets. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.040 And during the flight, my brother threw up all over me. Everywhere. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.560 Everything was wet and hot, everything was dirty. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.159 So the flight attendants take care of unaccompanied minus and 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.639 they said to us, guys, come to the front of 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.200 the plane by I cleans up. It's the last twenty 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.119 minutes anyway, So for the last twenty minutes of the 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.359 flight we were sitting in first class, and of course 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.239 they posted on Instagram and twelve and that's cool, and 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.160 now people are using that like liar. No, social media 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.560 is fake and it could all be explained and I 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.359 have before or another one is I'm wearing like a 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.720 Gucci watch. Listen, my dad's job growing up was buying 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.160 some antiques. He would constantly go to Garrottales and markers 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.320 and stuff like that and then sell them on eBay afterwards. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.760 So there's a photo of a watch that he bought 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.639 out a Garrottel for two dollars and it's a Gucci 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.920 watch and I posted that, pupa can I post on Instagram? 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.000 Of course I'm posting that. That's cool and that's a flex, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.480 but that is not real. You cannot determine things from photos. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.560 It is crazy, and that is just Those are just 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:19.560 a couple of examples. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.480 I could not believe that Anna's defense was that social 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:28.919 media is fake, especially when she's talking about images that 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.640 she's uploaded herself. Does that mean that this statement is fake? 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.639 Does that mean that Mikayla Tests allegations are true and 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.720 the persona that you've been putting on is fake and 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.080 that you weren't poor. I just think I don't know 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.360 why she's gone into the weeds and the immense detail 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.359 in this. I think she's missed the mark of what 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.560 people are upset about. And that's why Mikayla's video was 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.000 so powerful, because she was strong in what she said. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.760 She didn't ramble, she got to the point. Well, I 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.359 think this line took the cake for a lot of people. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.560 Another one that I what is it, I'm a manipulative 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.720 layer because I called past the noodles or something like 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.520 that like insanity. I think we can all agree it's 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:10.600 gotten very, very insane where it's just insane. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.160 Because this pissed a lot of people off. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.720 Because Mikayla never called an manipulative over saying noodles for 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.720 a Turkish past a recipe. She called her manipulative in 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.080 regards to incentivizing her underpage fans to sign up to 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.400 her only fans account, an allegation that she never addressed. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.520 I saw Abby Chatfield put out of TikTok and it 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.960 just had her simply saying something along the lines of 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.639 it was never about the noodle's babe. It's quite okay 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.879 that Anna has sat on TikTok watching every single video 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.240 about her, and she feels like she has to respond 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.800 to all of those trivial videos instead of actually just 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:49.320 addressing Mikayla's KeyPoint, yeah, and trivializing the allegations and making 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:50.680 these jokes about it. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:51.640 It just added to. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.760 The mixed messaging of the statement. The tone and delivery 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.760 were just so off because there was literally no understanding 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.119 of how her can community felt and what she needed 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:02.680 to address. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.520 It just kind of across as really dismissive, a bit 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:06.920 tone deaf. Really yeah. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.760 And on the underage fan thing, Anna did say in 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.119 the comment section of the video that her following is 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.920 ninety three point eight percent eighteen plus, but if you 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.240 look at her following, that means that over one hundred 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.160 and fifty thousand people are underage. Well, that was in 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.760 defense to saying that she was incentivizing her young audience. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.960 I mean, as you said, Kate, I would still say, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.800 encouraging one hundred and fifty thousand underaged children to sign 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.000 up to her OnlyFans account is quite unethical. And also 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.800 why bury that in the comments? Why was that not 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.920 included in the response? Now? Anna did finish the video 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.800 by telling her followers that bullying is not okay and 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:42.679 can have serious consequences. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.000 Here's what she said, Yeah. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.760 Me aside in this whole situation, okay, me aside the 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.880 bullying that has bested and grown from this because it's 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.159 a trend is dangerous and not okay. 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:02.840 And bullying like this hell people, It kills people. You 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.840 might think it's funny to set up your phone and think, oh, 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.240 what's trending right now? 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.520 I know I'll say I met Anna Paul once and 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.120 say something bad that'll get views. Your views aren't worth 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.320 someone's life, I'm telling you. Or setting up the camera 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.200 and laughing with all your friends about what my body 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.919 looks like and then posting it, that is not worth 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.200 the views. Someone's life are not worth those views, I'm 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:24.760 telling you. 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.600 Anna went on to say that she was fortunate to 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.120 have a support system around her and she couldn't imagine 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:31.960 going through something like this alone. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.120 She then said this. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.679 There are children that go through this kind of stuff, 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.679 this kind of bullying alone, and for that I cannot 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:41.720 even imagine how they even survived that. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.159 To be honest, then because of that, I'm going to 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:44.120 leave a number down. 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.399 Belue, if you're alone and you ever need someone to 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.040 talk to you or need something, please call that numb 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.679 and do not hesitate because it can happen to anyone. 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.600 So I'm just sending my love out there to anyone 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.000 that has gone through this, or people that. 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.240 Will go through this or Anna then urged her followers 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.639 to be respectful to all parties involved and not to 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.600 send anyone hate on her behalf. I think this was 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.000 actually the best part of her response because it did 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.120 make you think, look, these are two young girls. There's 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.040 a lot of hate flying around on the internet. People 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.280 need to be mindful of what they're saying online. I 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.560 understand why she included that messaging around online bulling, but 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:22.040 you can't release the statement where you ignore very serious 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.160 allegations leveled at you and your brother and then try 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.560 and shift the narrative to make you the victim. Because 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.160 if she had been accountable and address the allegations, then 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.000 I think that this part of the video would have 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.560 made sense. I think some people felt like she was 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.320 trying to use bulling and maybe mental health as an 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.600 excuse for her behavior. People also didn't find it very 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.840 genuine because she said that she was going to provide 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.920 links for those who were in trouble and needed help 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.359 from Lifeline, and she didn't include them in the caption. 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.040 I think it was also because the start of her. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.440 Video was all jokey and making out like these allegations 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.680 went serious, and then suddenly it ticked over into her 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.119 crying and saying how serious online bullying was? 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:01.360 Yeh? 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:02.520 And it did you feel like we were getting this 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.920 lecture about bullying at the end of the video, after 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.840 she had just trivialized all these serious allegations. 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.000 I think, as I said earlier, a. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.600 Written statement would have been a lot better if she 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.359 couldn't actually deliver a proper response. On a side note, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.359 did anyone else notice what she was wearing? Yeah, she 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.040 was wearing a by Bambi branded top, so she had 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:22.800 a jacket it said Bambi across it. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.399 Bit a peripheral messaging there. Yeah, well by Bamburi. 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.119 We spoke about them last year. They've been involved in 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.960 a number of controversies involving not paying influences correctly. I 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.280 do wonder, kay, if she was trying to come across 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.480 as Bambi as in the well. She also was wearing 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.400 it looked like pajama pants and she wasn't all dold up. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.440 I think it was a strategic move to make herself 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.000 look relatable. I think she needed a bit more strategy 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.080 involved in this because it was not working for her. Yeah. 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.120 I do understand though, why she tried to speak off 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.760 the cuff, because it is part of her brand. But 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.159 what I don't understand is you can speak off the 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.479 cuff and memorize stuff like you can actually come across 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:01.440 as a bit more. 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.920 Serious in your delivery. And when she was just spewing vomit. 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.520 Out like it was just all over the place, how 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.199 many times do you think she recorded it like that? 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:10.480 Could that have been the first record and she's gone, yeah, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.399 this is one I've done. Maybe it seemed like I 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.280 wouldn't like to see the other recordings if that was 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.960 the best one. The general consensus was people felt gas 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.080 lip from the video it's pr one oh one. She 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.720 needed to respond to the allegations properly. That would have 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.919 stopped the narrative. What she has done is provided TikTok 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.760 with even more to run with. She then needed to 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.200 provide a remedy of how she was going to solve 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.120 the situation, so an action list. I'm going to do 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.880 this moving forward. I'm taking this very seriously. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.240 There was none of that now. 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.320 Mikayla Testa was quick to respond to Anna's video in 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.280 the comments section, writing Anna, please do not try and 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.960 paint me as a liar. I will come with receipts. 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.120 Do not make me come on here with it all. 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.000 You said what you said, and you said it in entirety. 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.720 I thought we were friends too, until your friends have 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.040 come to me with everything you've been saying about me 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:00.200 the entire time. 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.080 I reached out because I thought we were friends. We weren't. 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.320 You were fake and this doesn't cut it. I care 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.560 about children and you're extorting them now. Mickchayla went on 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.800 to screenshot her comment and post it to an Instagram 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.800 story with the caption, of course, Anna will block my comments. 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.960 I guess I'm forced into explaining myself in full. I 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.719 think the fact that Mikayla was able to reply so 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.960 quickly back to Anna in a succinct manner she raised 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:28.119 some really good points highlights even further how poor Anna's eight. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:28.919 Minute video was. 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.560 Yeah, I suppose if you're trying to determine who is 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.000 guilty in this situation, Anna took a week to respond. 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:36.880 Michayla then instantly. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.639 Responded to the video and said she's got receipts for 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.480 it now. Twenty four hours later, Mikayla updated her followers 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.800 on those receipts, saying, Hi, guys, I did promise receipts. 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.600 While going through and actually collecting them and reviewing them, 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.600 I realized something very very sinister was happening to meet 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.560 for many years. This is something the police should be seeing, 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.119 not the Internet. Although at some stage I will be 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.439 able to share my story in full, as I have 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.880 shared every piece of my life with you all so far, 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:04.919 I will have to delay for now. I will be 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.960 moving forward legally the way it should be. I was 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.760 very relieved when Mikayla posted this because I think that 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.560 this issue really needs to move offline now. I can't 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.040 see anything good coming from more of a slinging match 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.120 between the two of them. It's clear that if this 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.159 matter is as serious as Mikayla alleges it to be, 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:27.479 the police and legal teams need to get involved. I 0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.160 still can't believe this. Sarah's Day has officially invested in Hiro. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:32.560 Let me tell you how all went. 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.920 Down after parting ways with long standing partner Trepeka, it's 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.639 been officially announced as Sarah's Day, is an investor in 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:43.280 a new drink company called Hiro. The finness influencer has 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.919 been spooking the benefits of the drink across her social 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.479 media channels since July last year, but hasn't let her 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.800 followers in on the secret that she in fact part 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.720 owns the company. So for last week, we discussed that 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.040 since dropping her daily Body Bloom, Sarah has suddenly been 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.800 incorporating a new drink into her day routine. 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:01.120 Yeah. 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.280 At first I thought this was some sort of pre 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.639 workout drink, but it is actually an electrolyte drink. So 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.639 it comes in a red sashet which she's been mixing 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.560 into water and has a range of different flavors. The 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.639 idea is that you take it at the start of 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:18.320 the day and during or after your workouts to supposedly 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.040 replenish the electrolytes that you lost in sweat. It is 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.000 similar to body Bloom in the sense that the drink 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:30.000 claims to provide better physical performance, muscle function, improved digestion, 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.600 mental clarity, give you better skin, and also support detoxification. Now, 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.879 the original owners of Hydro are a husband and wife 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.879 team called Stephen Chapman and Taylor Bird. On the website, 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.719 the founders make a big point of telling their customers 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.280 to trust the science and say that the drink has 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:53.280 been fine tuned by elite dietitians. Now, the original owners 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.080 of Hydro are a husband and wife team called Stephen 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.000 Chapman and Taylor Bird, and on their website they make 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.240 a big point telling their customers to trust the science 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.280 of the drink, and they say that the drink has 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:08.520 been fine tuned by elite dietitians. It also says that 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.600 the drink is crafted by the finest ingredients the Earth 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:15.240 can offer, and above all, it only contains five calories 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.200 and no sugar. It really does seem to be up 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.359 Sarah's day street, as it also says it has no 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:24.040 artificial additives, is vegan and quito free, so you can 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.240 see the alignment there with her now. Sarah first shared 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.280 about Hiro in July last year, claiming it was helping 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.520 her get through pregnancy. 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:33.240 Let's throw it to what she said. 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.600 Pers this is how I've been surviving this pregnancy. 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.440 This is Hiro again. It's the Hiro lemonon lime. That's 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.040 the one I like tastes like you found a fresh 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.720 lemonon lime ice block, like a quarter of an ice block. 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.920 Because they water it down and it's melted in your water. 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.560 It just gives it that little bit of like zest, 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:56.760 fresh sourness that I'm going to down this whole thing now. 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.600 Sarah did tag Hiro in the post, but didn't disclose 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.720 whether the was a paid or gifted partnership. As someone 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.240 who follows her quite closely, I feel like she does 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.760 this with a lot of partners well. The owners were 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.080 quick to cut up Sarah's glowing reviews for their social media. 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.960 They wrote, when you check your DMS and Sarah's day 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.680 gives you a shout out on her Instagram stories, you 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.160 know it's going to be a good day. It continued, 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.880 we couldn't be prouder to be hydrating an icon of 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.840 Australian online influencing and someone who absolutely needs to stay 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.520 hydrated getting through all that she does on the day 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.400 to day plus pregnancy. 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:30.880 Now. 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.960 The owners, Stephen and Taylor, were really giving the impression 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.960 that Sarah randomly came across this relatively unknown brand and 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.000 was so blown away that she just had to post 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.280 about it to her over a million followers. Here's what 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.240 they said. We just had some in coming messages in 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.000 from Sarah's day, tagging. 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.480 Us in a few Medias's days. I feel like she's 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.240 just one of the OG influences. 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:56.840 Wake up. 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.120 This one of the Sarah's days. Pretty epic twenty four 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.520 hours watches. That's so exciting. Orders are starting to flow 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:03.800 through already statuned. 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.120 This just felt very twenty seventeen because in this video 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.920 the owners are acting as though Sarah has organically come 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.960 across this product, when in reality we know that they 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.560 would have spent months trying to get noticed by her. 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.760 This would have been some sort of paid partnership. As 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.880 we know, she isn't just posting about. 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:23.720 Anyone for free. 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.080 And the reason the water is so muddy in this 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.600 situation is because Sarah quite often doesn't disclose paid partnerships 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.200 as you touched on, which leads people to think, oh, well, 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.680 maybe this time around, this is a genuine product that 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.240 she really likes, and this is just a recommendation she's 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.520 letting us know about now. The owners continued saying that 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.760 they have been inundated with orders and people following their 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.920 accounts since Sarah endorsed their product. Now, the endorsement hasn't 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.280 stopped there, so Sarah has continued to share about this 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.520 drink for months on end, with no hashtag, ad or 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.720 partnership disclosure. At the end of last year, she shared 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:03.040 a YouTube video just casually using Hiro in a smoothie recipe, 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.880 and Hydro has also been casually shared as part of 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.520 her workout routine across her Instagram story. I picked up 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.520 on this straight away and I was like, I bet 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.320 you she's being paid, because, as you said, Sophie, she's 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.000 not the sort of influencer who's going to just share 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.080 something and tag it out of the goodness of her heart. Now, Sophie, 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:21.600 what has actually been. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:22.640 Going on behind the scenes. 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.840 Well, to put all of this into context, Sarah's first 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.760 post about Hiro was made in July of twenty twenty four, 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.400 and that's also when the owners made the gushing posts 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.120 about how excited they were that Sarah was trying their product. Now, 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.600 if we fast forward to January twenty twenty five, we 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.080 are now privy to what has really been going on 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.600 behind the scenes. So on the twentieth of January, Sarah 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.720 and Hiro announced that Sarah was a part owner and 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.400 an investor in the company. As predicted, this wasn't just 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.760 some chance discovery from Sarah. The owner said that they 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.840 contacted Sarah in early twenty twenty four and sent her 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.000 drink hoping that she would like it. In April twenty 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.520 twenty four, so three months before her first post about Hiro, 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.360 she replied to the owners saying, Hey, Steve, I'm assuming 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.760 your bubba has arrived, so congratulations we got the product 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.000 and love it to me. Sarah commenting about the founder's 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.240 kids indicates that there's some sort of prior relationship there, 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.040 so clearly there's been more back and forth about her 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.080 trying the product. The owners then said they arranged a 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.680 meeting with Sarah and Kurt in June, so a month 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.760 before this first post. Let's throw to a snippet of 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:36.120 what they said. The timing was perfect. Sarah was pregnant, 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.360 feeling dehydrated and fatigued, and Hiro became her go to. 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.920 Kurt got hooked too, using it daily to fill his 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.600 training and busy dad lack. In June, we met out 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.880 with Sarah and Kurt to taste his new flavors and 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.640 chat about how we could work together as a small startup. 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.760 We didn't want just another paid partnership. We wanted something real, 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.040 something long term. After months of conversations, we made it happen. 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.200 Sarah didn't just join as an ambassador. 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:00.760 She's now an invest a. 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.800 Part owner in hiro. This means so much to us 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.360 because Sarah's built an incredible community of people that care 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:11.760 about health, family, and balance just like we do. So 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.040 to put this all into perspective, Sarah and Kurt agreed 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.360 to become investors and partners in this business in June. 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.480 So for seven months, Sarah has been sharing about a 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.480 product that she has a financial stake in, as though 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.400 she doesn't have a stake in it, and as though 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.680 it is just an organic product that she's been using 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:29.840 because of the benefits. 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:31.760 This is so incredibly deceptive. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.160 It just shows that this type of marketing works, though, because, 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.719 as the owner said, Sarah simply posting about the drinks 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:39.960 makes them sell out of their warehouse several times. 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.160 Well, I don't understand why has she just not been. 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.320 Upfront Because she's had other business ventures where her name's 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.840 been slapped on stuff, So she's always talking about her 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.640 White Fox boutique line. When she brought out sunglasses when 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.440 she brought out Bathers. I think has been a strategy 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.320 because if you look back at her success with Tripeka, 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.520 as we touched on last week, people genuine only bought 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.280 into the hype around it because back then there wasn't 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.760 so much ad disclosure and people thought, wow, this drink 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:09.680 is just part of her regular routine. So if her 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.000 consumers think, wow, Sarah's just using this drink because it 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.759 must be really helpful for her workouts, they buy into 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.160 it more than if it was introduced to them as, oh, 0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.480 this is this new brand that I'm investing in. Does 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.399 it mean that the brand of Sarah's Day isn't as 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.360 powerful as it once was, because for me, it seems 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.640 strange that an influencer who has such a large following 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:36.160 wants to almost remove herself from the product even though 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.879 she is an investor in it. Well, she has subsequently 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.000 announced that she is going to be bringing out her 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.600 own Hiro flavor, and this was after she finally came 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.759 clean with her audience about the drink on January twentieth, 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.240 So in a daily vlog she said this. 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.400 Anyway, good morning, I am mixing up my Hiro. This 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.640 is my electrolytes. They are ooh delicious. I'm having the 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.440 lemon and lime flavor. It kind of tastes like a 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.360 splice with ice cold water chef's kIPS, especially after hot pilates. 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.160 A handful of you guys actually guessed it, but you 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.080 would have seen in a vlog last year. I think 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.440 it was around June July twenty twenty four, I had 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.479 a meeting with the founders of Hiro, and long story shot, 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.600 I ended up investing in the company. I love the founders, 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.080 I love the business model, I love the product. So 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.080 you'll be seeing a lot more with me and Hiro, 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.480 and potentially a new flavor that I've come up with. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.960 I went back to look at her vlogs over this 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.080 period of time to see if this meeting was included, 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.040 and she did go to a secret project meeting in 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.000 a June vlog, but that was with who is Elijah, 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.880 which is the perfume brand that she's collaborating with. I 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.040 did not see any reference to a secret meeting with Hiro. 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:43.880 I do wonder if she's trying to appear as if 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.640 she's been really upfront with her audience about this partnership 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.520 from the get go, when realistically it doesn't appear that 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.320 she has been Do you feel like she is somewhat 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.439 seeking revenge on Tripeka, because, as we discussed in last 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.719 week's episode, during an old episode of her podcast, The 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.520 Health Code, she said that she likes to get revenge 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.839 on sponsors that she's parted ways with by dominating the 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.360 same interest as that brand. And this does seem like 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.680 quite good revenge to be a part owner and investor 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.720 in a very similar product. I wonder if she wanted 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.720 to get shares in Tripeka and they refused, or perhaps 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.840 she actually did have shares at one point, because she 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:24.720 literally was the face of Tripeka for so many years. 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.920 And I can see why Hiro have jumped on board 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.840 to get her involved as well, because, as they said, 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.920 the drink has been selling a lot. I just don't 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.319 like the way she's marketing it. I do feel like 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.360 it is quite deceptive to have a stake in this 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.040 drink brand for, as you said, over nearly eight to 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.560 nine months and only just now be telling everyone where 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.239 was your ad disclosure. I'm confused that she doesn't face 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.759 any ramifications for this type of behavior with the A 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.440 Triple C. I wonder if it's because people are so 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.080 unaware that this isn't AD they don't even bother reporting it. 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.000 It's that deceptive in saying that. 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.640 As someone who is pretty sad obviously in the influencers 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.799 space having this podcast, I knew straightaway that it was 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.719 a partnership. Most influencers don't tag a brand if there's 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.400 not some sort of kickback for them, So I think 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.200 if you're a savvy consumer of influencer content, you knew 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.840 that there was a partnership there. I get the impression 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.799 that influencers know that they can get away with it, 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.680 and that's why they do it. There is great area though, 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.600 now that she actually has a financial stake in the brand, 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.560 because it's not like, for example, Steph Kleas Smith and 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.520 Laura Henshaw always put AD paid partnership when they're talking 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.160 about their own business and promoting it. Yeah, but they're 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.400 upfront with the fact that they have a financial stake 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.560 in it. You know that it's their business. For seven 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.280 months now, we haven't known that Sarah had anything. 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:40.480 To do with it. 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.719 I am fascinated that she has decided to invest in 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.200 this product and not just be an ambassador. I think 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:48.640 that's a really big step, and I wonder if it's 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.120 because she got sick of brands dropping her once they 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.160 got enough exposure for her. We've seen her name be 0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.719 removed from so many brands and they just continue on 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.600 without her. Well, it's a very good business move that 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.200 a lot of successful people use. The business comes to you, 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.839 says that we want to use you to expose our 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:06.840 brand to your audience, and you say, well, I'd like 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.279 a ten percent stake in it. I wonder how her 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.279 followers feel about this type of advertising and if they 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.840 feel a bit deceived, because I would feel a bit 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.799 silly if I saw her what I thought organically talking 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.520 about how fantastic this product is, and then later revealing 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.960 that she actually had a financial stake in it, I 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.000 would think, oh, okay, I'm probably not going to trust 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.680 her recommendation and reviews going forward. I think that's a 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.960 bit of a naive look at the influencer space, though, 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.120 because it's not like we're in twenty eleven where we're like, oh, 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.240 the influencer must really like this product. Like everyone knows 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.200 that what people are spooking on their social media channel 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:41.839 needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.719 I do think that there are genuine micro influencers who 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.719 share really helpful reviews, and with TikTok, we're seeing everyday 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.920 people share about products in a very genuine way. But 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.000 that's not Sarah's day, and that's never been a mo 0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.520 because a lot of people used to get sucked in. Originally, 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.120 when she was talking about her Loving Earth Chocolate and 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.640 her Trapeqe Care, they didn't know that she had a 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.920 brand deal with them. But we're now savvy enough to 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.800 know she's not just helping her followers, she's helping her payback. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.239 And that's why I think people are moving away from 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.120 taking recommendations and advice from social media influences and moving 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.840 towards genuine TikTok reviews. 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:16.600 From everyday people. 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.760 Now, when I was taking a deeper look into Hiro, 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.120 I found a marketing campaign they ran in August which 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.839 was quite disturbing. So the basis of the campaign is 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.680 that the owner, Steven, declared that he was fasting until 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.520 they reached their first one thousand sales. Oh god, now, 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.320 at the time they were sitting on nine hundred and 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.280 sixty one sales. Let's throw it to what he said. 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.080 Starting a water only a hirofast until we a thousand 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.080 gus started a couple days ago. I've it's been having 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.280 water and hiro. Okay, this is a good idea. 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.120 Well, I'm glad you're having the hiro. We're at least 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.520 replacing the electrolytes which are critical, and you've also got 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.840 some vitamin C in there as well. My preference is 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.400 that this only goes on for a week, but take nally, 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.080 we can get you up to twenty one day now. 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.440 In the caption, they did point out that Highro is 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.480 actually perfectly suited for fasting, as it contains all the 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.280 electrolytes you need and no sugar, so your body apparently 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.960 does stay in katosis throughout. This was followed up by 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:21.520 Steven interviewing the company's dietitian about his fasting stunt. 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.600 What else am I going to experience this? 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.200 So obviously headaches, fatigue, really low energy. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.520 Okay, So what you're saying is should I do this 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:29.799 or not? 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.360 I think the reality is you're doing it. Focus on 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.960 your hydration, drink plenty of Highro, and let's get those thousand. 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.759 Customers over to you guys, please save me. Head to 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.360 the website now and order so I can start drinking 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:43.359 more than just this. 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.600 I was shocked when I watched this video. I can't 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.279 believe he was able to get a nutritionist to say 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.360 that it was okay for him to be consuming just 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:59.040 water and hiro for twenty one days. This makes me 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.759 lose any truck in the so called scientific claims made 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.359 by this product. This just seems insane to me. I mean, 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:10.239 he's clearly using shock value to sell products. I do question, though, 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.600 what type of effects There's Day has had on this 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.960 company if they thought it would take twenty one days 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.200 for him to get thirty nine orders through. Now it's 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.400 that time of the week where we have our Friday 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.759 debrief and I'm gonna kick us off. I have a 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:28.239 hire to share with you guys. So Jack, he is 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.359 nearly eight months old, and he just started crawling this week. 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.640 And I have heard this is where things get serious. 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.520 So you're having to move everything, you're having to babyproof 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.480 the house, you're running around. But it was such a 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.400 joy to see him crawl. And it's so funny because 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.520 it's not his toys that he's crawling towards. It's everything 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:48.720 that he's not meant to have, So it's my phone 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.680 or it's the dog toy. He actually first crawled to 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.560 my frank green water bottle and he tried to grab it. 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.040 I'm like, this is nearly as big as you. 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.759 He's pretty fast as well, because he's only been doing 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.440 it for a couple of days. I couldn't leave the 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:02.719 speed he was taking on the carpet. I love that 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.640 this is your high. Will it suddenly turn into your 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.800 low causing draper? 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:07.479 Well? 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:08.000 Probably. 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.200 I also have a question for our listeners who are momths. 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.400 So Jack is at an age where his wake windows 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.000 aren't as dominated by his feeds anymore. So I've got 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.480 a lot of time to play with him, and we 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.719 go and play with the toys that he got for Christmas, 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.400 but I'm personally getting bored of them, and I'm thinking 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.400 he probably is too. I have seen a few TikTok 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.640 videos where it shows activities for you to do with 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.000 your kids. So I filled up this big saucepan and 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:34.920 put blocks in it, and it was all well and 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.480 good until he tried to pour it over. Does anyone 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.160 have any activities that take up a lot of time 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.080 that are enjoyable for not only Jack, but for me. 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:43.680 Because it's getting to a point where I'm like, I 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.160 don't know what to do. It's funny you asked that 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.560 because I'm on kitten Took because I've got a new kitten, Winnie, 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.560 and I've seen all these people that been doing all 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.080 these enrichment activities with their cats, which make me feel 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.200 so guilty, Like I didn't even know that was the thing. Yeah, 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.279 it does make you feel guilty because you're like, hang on, 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.360 while I've been focusing on him trying to crawl, have 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.960 I been doing enough language activities with him? 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:04.040 Like it's just never ending. 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.879 My Friday share is a bit of a different one 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.720 to yours. Okay, not so wholesome. I had a very 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:13.880 scary experience at a Hungry Jack's drive through on Saturday nights. 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:18.040 Did someone drop a whopper? Had a joke that went 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:18.560 through front of me? 0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:19.239 Yeah? 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.440 Well, basically I was. It was around eleven o'clock at night, 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.799 right before Hungry Jack's closed. I was actually picking my 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.880 partner something up. This wasn't a pregnancy craving and I 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.080 was in the car by myself, and I made my 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:34.759 order and I sat in the drive through for ten 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.560 minutes whilst I was waiting for the car in front 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.840 of me. Now, the car in front of me had 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.120 a husband and wife, I think in their forties in there, 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.160 and I thought that they knew the girl at the 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.279 front desk at at the front window. They seemed to 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.440 be engaged in some sort of conversation. I thought that 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:54.000 they were smiling. It turns out they were actually yelling 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.480 at this poor girl. Now, when it got to about 0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.920 fifteen minutes that I was still in this line, I 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:00.520 was like, what the hell is going going on? Am 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:01.920 I going to get my food? Am I going to 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.480 get out of here? Because that was the only exit anyway, 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.919 Whilst I was waiting, this teenage girl from Hungry Jack's, 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.040 one of the workers. She came out and delivered me 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.960 my meal on foot and explained that the car in 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:18.120 front of me was abusing them over wanting to get 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.520 a refund. So did she bring out the credit card 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:22.640 thing too? Not already paid by this dage. I was 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.680 just waiting for my food, and she said, oh, look, 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.359 they're not going to move, so you might just want 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.920 to reverse out. And I had just recently got my 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.799 car fixed and there was no way I was going 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.520 to be reversing out of the drive through, So I 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.600 said do you reckon? I could just toot them and 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.160 it might encourage them to leave. Sophie hasn't added that 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.200 she had me on the other end of the phone, 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.160 and I'm like, just be careful. 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.000 You never know how people are going to react. 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:44.640 I just wanted to get home by then, so I 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.600 tried to do a friendly too, you know, when it's 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.600 not a full It was not friendly. It did not 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.400 sound friendly for me at my end. They didn't react. 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.440 So then I called out the window, sorry, do you 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:55.200 mind moving? 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.160 I can't get out anyway. 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.440 The woman tries to open her door. She couldn't she 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.480 was so close to the drive through window. Then the 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:07.919 husband throws his door back before coming over to my car. 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.320 He then runs over to the front window, starts abusing 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:15.160 the girl some more, storms over to my car window, 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.120 and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.040 thought he was going to punch the bonnet of my car. 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:21.520 And he goes, what do you want? 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.799 And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. I am she's 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:25.040 just trying to get out of the drive through. You 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:25.880 guys are blocking me. 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:29.239 And he's like, these people are assholes and starts complaining 0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.799 about his meal and that they didn't give him a refund. Think, sir, 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.000 you were the asshole. I did not say anything at 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:36.560 this point. If I were you, I would have been like, 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.480 I'm just a pregnant lady trying to get Hungry Jack. Well. 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.920 I actually thought I was gonna get punched in the face. Thankfully, 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.520 he then says to me, Okay, we'll move, but just 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.360 want to know that we've called the police over the 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.400 Hungry Jacks and then other police having to deal with 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.120 incidents like this, like they do not own enough. These 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.000 other poor teenage worker from Hungry Jacks literally ran out 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.040 to see if I was okay because she thought that 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:02.080 the man might have physically anyway. This was all for 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.320 a meal that wasn't even for me. It was very traumatizing. 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.360 I left completely sweaty and shaking. And so do you 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.520 no longer have cravings for Hungry Jacks now as part 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.200 of your pregnancies that put you on I've never had 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.799 Hungry Jack's cravings. I'm a McDonald's girl through and through. 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.040 So I was very annoyed. I rang up my husband 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.239 and was like, God, I've been through shit to get 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.640 this meal for you. Well, I've got a recommendation for you, guys. 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.719 It is a TV show and it's for anyone else 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.240 who loves crime drama. So it is an old one. 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.319 It's a twenty thirteen series called The Fall, but it 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.920 is a lot like the show broad Church, which I 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.840 got you guys onto. So it stars actress Gillian Anderson. 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.680 You'll know her from Sex Edge. She also played Margaret 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.240 Thatcher in The Crown and she was in The X Files. 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.440 She is amazing anything she's in I watch. It's also 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.720 got Christian Gray from Fifty Shades of Gray, the guy who. 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:52.880 Played him in it highly recommend. 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.400 Okay, well, it's not really selling it to me. That 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.960 was from twenty thirteen, but broad Church was from the 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.160 same era and I got into that, so maybe may 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.240 listeners will have to give it a go. It's got everything, 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.440 it's got hot people, it's got crime. Well, I'm for 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.319 seasons into suits and I'm obsessed with it, so maybe 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.239 I'll give it a go. After that, Well, I think 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.160 that is all we have time for today. Thank you 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.440 so much for joining us for this episode. If you 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:16.799 have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.280 subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review. 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.400 This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.040 Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 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