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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Anna Poule

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Speaker 1: finally responds to those explosive claims. Sarah's Day is unveiled

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Speaker 1: as a secret investor in a new powdered drink company

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Speaker 1: and our Friday Debrief. But first TikToker Sammy Guggenheimer has

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Speaker 1: hit backer claim she gate keeps products from her followers.

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Speaker 1: The Melbourne lifestyle influencer made no fans when she defended herself,

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Speaker 1: exclaiming you should try being an influencer for a day. Well.

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Speaker 1: It all started when a TikToker called flour Sky uploaded

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Speaker 1: a video asking if anyone else had noticed that certain

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Speaker 1: Australian influencers don't respond to comments.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 3: Has anyone else noticed that there are some influences on

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Speaker 3: this art that would rather die than respond to their

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Speaker 3: followers in the comments.

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Speaker 4: Black.

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Speaker 5: I see it so often, especially with.

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Speaker 4: Some specific influencer. I'm not gonna take.

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Speaker 6: Names, but their followers and fans or whatever their community

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Speaker 6: will be like, oh my god, where's your top from

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Speaker 6: where are your shoes from? Their comment section is so dead,

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Speaker 6: like I've never seen anything so quiet in my life, dead.

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Speaker 5: Silent, And I'm like, Firstly, how have you been a community?

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Speaker 4: Secondly, isn't that like your.

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Speaker 3: Job to sell stuff and influence people and like tell

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Speaker 3: them where's from so then they go buy it. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I've misread the whole influencer.

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Speaker 5: Things, but.

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Speaker 2: I really agree with Flur.

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Speaker 1: There's been so many occasions where I'm desperate to know

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Speaker 1: where an influencers outfits from, and there'll be so many

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Speaker 1: comments in the comment section begging them to drop us

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Speaker 1: some crumbs and some clues as to where it's from.

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Speaker 1: So isn't that their whole job, like actually to engage

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Speaker 1: with their audience as well.

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Speaker 2: Sarah's Day does it a lot well.

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Speaker 1: It often seems like if the influencer has purchased the

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Speaker 1: item themselves, then they're actually not willing to give the details.

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Speaker 1: It's always awkward when an influencer does a try on

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Speaker 1: hold with a particular brand. It's a fast fashioned brand,

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Speaker 1: but everyone wants to know where the original outfit was

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Speaker 1: that isn't sponsored, and you can tell that they just

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Speaker 1: don't want to say anything because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: detract from the brand. Yeah. I think it's so silly though,

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Speaker 1: because if they actually provide genuine recommendations to people, when

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Speaker 1: they do try and spook something that's paid, it actually

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Speaker 1: seems more genuine. The worst gatekeeping is when people do

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Speaker 1: it around weddings. There were so many times I'd be

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Speaker 1: on web talk and I just desperately want to know

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Speaker 1: where a pair of pajamas was, and no one would reply. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's clear that flirst sentiments really resonated with a lot

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Speaker 1: of people.

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Speaker 2: Because the video went viral.

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Speaker 1: She only has nine hundred and fifty eight followers, but

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Speaker 1: the video wrapped up over six hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 1: thousand views and more than seven hundred comments, and one

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Speaker 1: influencer's name kept popping up in the comments, Sammy Guggenheimer.

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Speaker 1: So for those not familiar with Sammy, she is a

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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Melbourne influencer. She has over two

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six thousand followers on TikTok and one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty six thousand on Instagram and she offer

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Speaker 1: goes by the name Sammy Googs or a TikTok handle

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Speaker 1: short Girl Tall Dreams, and she shares a lot of

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Speaker 1: lifestyle and fashion content, as well as relationship advice on

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Speaker 1: her podcast Just for Girls. This time last year, she

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Speaker 1: announced her split from her AFL boyfriend Kayleb Polter, which

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Speaker 2: Traction for her.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sammy might not respond to her followers in her

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Speaker 1: comments section, but she clearly checks her tags because she

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Speaker 1: shared a response to the viral video. So in the video,

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Speaker 1: she denied she was gatekeeping products from her followers and

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Speaker 1: explained that rather than responding to questions, she instead tags

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Speaker 1: her products on her Instagram story. She then said this.

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Speaker 7: There's no point gatekeeping products because we all got to

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Speaker 7: share things around here. But if I am not, it's

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Speaker 7: because I'm not reading my comments. Is because as people

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Speaker 7: that are rude and mean and commenting mean things on

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Speaker 7: my videos. So a lot of the time I just

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Speaker 7: don't read my comments because I have to protect my peace.

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Speaker 7: You should try being an influencer and getting hate every

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Speaker 7: day and getting slandered every day.

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Speaker 8: That's it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I always taggening some my Instagram story. There's no

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Speaker 7: point gaykeeping. If something's good, I'm gonna share it, and

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Speaker 7: I do do that. But yeah, I know my truth,

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Speaker 7: I know my peace. Yeah, I'm protecting some of it

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Speaker 7: if I don't readbuild the comments because I'm literally getting

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Speaker 7: slandered online.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, this pimple here, it's from chocolate, bought it

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Speaker 7: at will is. Yeah, it's just frustrating, like you can

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Speaker 7: never do anything right.

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Speaker 1: I was really taken aback by Sammy's tone on this video.

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Speaker 1: How do these people have followers and why are they

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Speaker 1: so condescending to the followers that make them money. It's

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Speaker 1: very unlikable. I don't know out of her followers, who's

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Speaker 1: sitting there being like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I agree with her.

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Speaker 1: A job of an influencer is so difficult. We have

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Speaker 1: spoken in length about influencers being trolled on tattle Life,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's shit that she does get mean

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Speaker 1: comments directed at her on her videos. And I do

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Speaker 1: think that it is a good thing that she is

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Speaker 1: trying to avoid reading that commentary. But when you're big

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, I don't think you can because it's all

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Speaker 1: about engagement and it's all about building a community, and

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Speaker 1: if you're not responding to simple comments about oh where'd

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Speaker 1: you get that from? Then it just looks a bit

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Speaker 1: sloppy and lazy. I feel like this excuse is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a cop out. I think that the reason

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Speaker 1: she's not letting her TikTok followers know where she gets

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Speaker 1: her outfits from isn't because she doesn't want to look

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Speaker 1: at the comments. It's because she wants people to go

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Speaker 1: over to her Instagram, where she can link her LTK

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Speaker 1: and make money off the items that she tas well.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure this will.

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Speaker 1: Change with a lot of influencers when Australia brings in

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Speaker 1: the TikTok shop and we're suddenly linking everything. I did

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Speaker 1: love that one of the commenters suggested that she just

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Speaker 1: adds the outfit or product details in the caption so

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Speaker 1: that she didn't actually have to read the negative commentary.

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Speaker 5: I made a video addressing every time anyone say anything

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Speaker 5: bad about me. I would be posting all day long,

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Speaker 5: every single day, as would every other content creator.

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Speaker 4: That's what the whole four you page will be filled with.

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Speaker 5: But I think we can all agree that this has

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Speaker 5: gotten a little bit big and a little bit much

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Speaker 5: so now here I am and I'm never doing this again.

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Speaker 4: I don't address stuff like this, but it has gotten

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Speaker 1: Anna Paul has finally responded to the allegations leveled against

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Speaker 1: her by former friend Mikayla Test. It took the Only

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Speaker 1: Fans creator almost a week to reply to the explosive claims,

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Speaker 1: which caused the Internet to call for her cancelation. Now,

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Speaker 1: it was pretty kind of Anna to upload her response

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Speaker 1: just three hours after we had finalized Tuesday's episode about

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Speaker 1: the scandal. Now, for those who missed the episode, Kate,

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Speaker 1: can you give us a refresher? Yeah, I can't say

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Speaker 1: it was pleased when Sovie sent that link through to

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Speaker 1: me at eight o'clock at night. Now, Mikayla was not

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Speaker 1: only friends with Anna, but she was a big part

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Speaker 2: She dated Anna's brother Adis for a couple of.

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Speaker 1: Years before they broke up in twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday last week, Mickayla released an eight minute expose

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Speaker 1: on Anna and Attis. Now, the allegations leveled against Adis

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Speaker 2: As for the claims against Anna.

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Speaker 1: Michayla called her calculated, manipulative, and evil. She also accused

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Speaker 1: Anna of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up

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Speaker 1: cash giveaway. Michayla also alleged Anna doesn't care about her

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Speaker 1: very different to Anna behind closed doors. She also said

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Speaker 1: that the messaging Anna pushes about body positivity is just

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Speaker 1: for clout, and claims she called a fan fat and sweaty. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: she alleged that Anna had lied about growing up poor

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Speaker 1: Anna uploaded her own eight minute video to TikTok on

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Speaker 1: Monday night, and she started out by prefacing that she

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Speaker 1: doesn't normally address negative commentary, but the situation was too

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Speaker 1: big now to ignore. Here's more of That's what Anna said.

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Speaker 5: The reason why I've taken so long is because this

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Speaker 5: my friend and that I was close with really hurt me.

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Speaker 5: And two months ago she was asking me to go

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Speaker 5: to Fiji with her on a girl's trip, and last

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Speaker 5: going everywhere crazy on TikTok, She was the one helping

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Speaker 4: They're dumb. Everyone is stupid. Tell Papa it's going to

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Speaker 4: be okay. I hope Papa's okay. Don't tell them not

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Speaker 5: So now this has all come as a very very

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Speaker 1: Anna saying that she was too shocked to respond isn't

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Speaker 1: an adequate excuse for this delay. It was this delay

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Speaker 1: in responding to the allegations that let this situation get

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Speaker 1: I said on Tuesday's episode, I think that Anna needed

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Speaker 1: some time and space to respond adequately. That is why

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Speaker 1: I am so surprised that this response in particular took

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Speaker 1: a week. I thought she was going to come out

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Speaker 1: with something that would absolutely shoot down Mikayla's claim. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because what she should have said after this delay was

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Speaker 1: address it appropriately. She also could have said that she

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Speaker 1: know she was trying to get a feel for how

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Speaker 1: was discussing it with her team, but nothing.

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Speaker 2: Like that was said.

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Speaker 1: Well, she came out and said that she had no

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Speaker 1: PR team working on this response. She even panned her

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Speaker 1: by herself and reiterated there was no script. She was

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Speaker 1: just talking to the capistry.

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Speaker 2: Bloody needed a script.

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Speaker 1: And I actually think that she said this in response

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Speaker 1: to what Veruka had put on her story. So Veruka

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Speaker 1: Soult came out in response and said, look, I managed

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Speaker 1: to pan this statement in five minutes, Anna Paul. If

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Speaker 1: she's telling the truth, she'd be able to pick up

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Speaker 1: her phone and just pump out a video after watching

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Speaker 1: the shambles of a response. I don't think that she

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Speaker 1: was no autocue because it was just terrible. I just

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Speaker 1: It didn't have any indication that a PR manager had

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Speaker 1: That Anna completely ignored the most serious allegation leveled at her,

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Speaker 1: So she denied calling a fan she met fat and

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Speaker 5: A fan came up to me and we hugged, and

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Speaker 5: after she'd walked away, I said, oh my god, she

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Speaker 4: There's no sure that's not what I simple sweaty.

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Speaker 5: However, I may have called her sweaty because when somebody

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Speaker 5: And I also know that people would have hugged me,

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Speaker 4: That does not make them a bad person.

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Speaker 5: That's just them pointing out that after two people touched,

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Speaker 1: And I think I wanted to say that she hugs

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Speaker 1: I don't think that Anna could have made it more

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Speaker 1: But if it didn't happen as well, how would you

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Speaker 1: remember that incident? Yeah, and calling someone sweaty, that doesn't

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Speaker 2: I mean, she lives on.

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Speaker 1: The Gold Coast that is a very hot, sweaty and

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Speaker 4: But you know when you.

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Speaker 1: That's how it played out, because she was so help

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Speaker 1: bent on no no, I said, sweaty, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Fat, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you think things couldn't get any worse, they did.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear what Anna had to say about the allegation

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Speaker 1: she lied about growing up being poor.

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Speaker 5: The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now,

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Speaker 5: When I say I grew up broke, that is my

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Speaker 5: When I'm ten and all my friends can afford something

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Speaker 4: But that does not mean that I'm.

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Speaker 1: How did Anna not realize that her line I felt

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Speaker 2: It's gotten even bigger.

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Speaker 1: It really had jamaking vibes to it, and as you said, Amy,

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Speaker 2: What happens when I feel broke.

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Speaker 1: I mean jokes aside to essentially say that being poor

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Speaker 1: What I don't get is it's the easiest accusation to

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Speaker 2: For which she did not provide.

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Speaker 1: It just backed up Michayla's claims that it seems like

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Speaker 1: This is the whole issue with her response. She focused

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Speaker 1: She also decided to use the video to address the

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Speaker 1: Her defense was that the Internet didn't exist when she

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Speaker 4: Social media is fake it is not real Instagram.

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Speaker 5: It's all fake and it can be faked.

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Speaker 4: So this is just a perfect example of that.

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Speaker 5: There's a photo of me sitting in first class when

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Speaker 5: I was like thirteen years old. Please don't quote me.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I was twelve, Maybe I was eleven, maybe I

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Speaker 5: And I posted on Instagram and people are saying, look,

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Speaker 4: She's a liar.

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Speaker 5: She was always rich. Now, what you don't know about

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Speaker 5: that photo is that that was a flight that my

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Speaker 5: And during the flight, my brother threw up all over me. Everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Everything was wet and hot, everything was dirty.

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Speaker 5: So the flight attendants take care of unaccompanied minus and

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Speaker 5: they posted on Instagram and twelve and that's cool, and

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Speaker 5: now people are using that like liar. No, social media

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Speaker 5: is fake and it could all be explained and I

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Speaker 5: Gucci watch. Listen, my dad's job growing up was buying

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Speaker 5: some antiques. He would constantly go to Garrottales and markers

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Speaker 5: So there's a photo of a watch that he bought

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Speaker 5: Of course I'm posting that. That's cool and that's a flex,

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Speaker 5: but that is not real. You cannot determine things from photos.

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Speaker 5: It is crazy, and that is just Those are just

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Speaker 1: I could not believe that Anna's defense was that social

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that Mikayla Tests allegations are true and

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Speaker 1: the persona that you've been putting on is fake and

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Speaker 1: that you weren't poor. I just think I don't know

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Speaker 1: She didn't ramble, she got to the point. Well, I

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Speaker 5: Another one that I what is it, I'm a manipulative

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Speaker 2: Because this pissed a lot of people off.

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Speaker 1: Because Mikayla never called an manipulative over saying noodles for

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Speaker 1: regards to incentivizing her underpage fans to sign up to

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Speaker 1: I saw Abby Chatfield put out of TikTok and it

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Speaker 1: that Anna has sat on TikTok watching every single video

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Speaker 1: about her, and she feels like she has to respond

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Speaker 1: to all of those trivial videos instead of actually just

444
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 1: addressing Mikayla's KeyPoint, yeah, and trivializing the allegations and making

445
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Speaker 1: these jokes about it.

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Speaker 2: It just added to.

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Speaker 1: The mixed messaging of the statement. The tone and delivery

448
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: were just so off because there was literally no understanding

449
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: of how her can community felt and what she needed

450
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Speaker 1: to address.

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Speaker 2: It just kind of across as really dismissive, a bit

452
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: tone deaf. Really yeah.

453
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Speaker 1: And on the underage fan thing, Anna did say in

454
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Speaker 1: the comment section of the video that her following is

455
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Speaker 1: ninety three point eight percent eighteen plus, but if you

456
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Speaker 1: look at her following, that means that over one hundred

457
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand people are underage. Well, that was in

458
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Speaker 1: defense to saying that she was incentivizing her young audience.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, Kate, I would still say,

460
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Speaker 1: encouraging one hundred and fifty thousand underaged children to sign

461
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Speaker 1: up to her OnlyFans account is quite unethical. And also

462
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Speaker 1: why bury that in the comments? Why was that not

463
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Speaker 1: included in the response? Now? Anna did finish the video

464
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Speaker 1: by telling her followers that bullying is not okay and

465
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Speaker 1: can have serious consequences.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she said, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Me aside in this whole situation, okay, me aside the

468
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Speaker 5: bullying that has bested and grown from this because it's

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Speaker 5: a trend is dangerous and not okay.

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Speaker 4: And bullying like this hell people, It kills people. You

471
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Speaker 4: might think it's funny to set up your phone and think, oh,

472
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Speaker 4: what's trending right now?

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Speaker 5: I know I'll say I met Anna Paul once and

474
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Speaker 5: say something bad that'll get views. Your views aren't worth

475
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Speaker 5: someone's life, I'm telling you. Or setting up the camera

476
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Speaker 5: and laughing with all your friends about what my body

477
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Speaker 5: looks like and then posting it, that is not worth

478
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Speaker 5: the views. Someone's life are not worth those views, I'm

479
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Speaker 5: telling you.

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Speaker 1: Anna went on to say that she was fortunate to

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Speaker 1: have a support system around her and she couldn't imagine

482
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Speaker 1: going through something like this alone.

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Speaker 2: She then said this.

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Speaker 5: There are children that go through this kind of stuff,

485
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Speaker 5: this kind of bullying alone, and for that I cannot

486
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Speaker 5: even imagine how they even survived that.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, then because of that, I'm going to

488
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Speaker 4: leave a number down.

489
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Speaker 5: Belue, if you're alone and you ever need someone to

490
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Speaker 5: talk to you or need something, please call that numb

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Speaker 5: and do not hesitate because it can happen to anyone.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just sending my love out there to anyone

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Speaker 5: that has gone through this, or people that.

494
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Speaker 1: Will go through this or Anna then urged her followers

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Speaker 1: to be respectful to all parties involved and not to

496
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Speaker 1: send anyone hate on her behalf. I think this was

497
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Speaker 1: actually the best part of her response because it did

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Speaker 1: make you think, look, these are two young girls. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of hate flying around on the internet. People

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Speaker 1: need to be mindful of what they're saying online. I

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Speaker 1: understand why she included that messaging around online bulling, but

502
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Speaker 1: you can't release the statement where you ignore very serious

503
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: allegations leveled at you and your brother and then try

504
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Speaker 1: and shift the narrative to make you the victim. Because

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Speaker 1: if she had been accountable and address the allegations, then

506
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Speaker 1: I think that this part of the video would have

507
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Speaker 1: made sense. I think some people felt like she was

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Speaker 1: trying to use bulling and maybe mental health as an

509
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Speaker 1: excuse for her behavior. People also didn't find it very

510
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Speaker 1: genuine because she said that she was going to provide

511
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Speaker 1: links for those who were in trouble and needed help

512
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Speaker 1: from Lifeline, and she didn't include them in the caption.

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Speaker 2: I think it was also because the start of her.

514
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Speaker 1: Video was all jokey and making out like these allegations

515
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Speaker 1: went serious, and then suddenly it ticked over into her

516
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Speaker 1: crying and saying how serious online bullying was?

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Speaker 7: Yeh?

518
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Speaker 1: And it did you feel like we were getting this

519
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Speaker 1: lecture about bullying at the end of the video, after

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Speaker 1: she had just trivialized all these serious allegations.

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Speaker 2: I think, as I said earlier, a.

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Speaker 1: Written statement would have been a lot better if she

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Speaker 1: couldn't actually deliver a proper response. On a side note,

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Speaker 1: did anyone else notice what she was wearing? Yeah, she

525
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Speaker 1: was wearing a by Bambi branded top, so she had

526
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Speaker 1: a jacket it said Bambi across it.

527
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Speaker 2: Bit a peripheral messaging there. Yeah, well by Bamburi.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about them last year. They've been involved in

529
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Speaker 1: a number of controversies involving not paying influences correctly. I

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Speaker 1: do wonder, kay, if she was trying to come across

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Speaker 1: as Bambi as in the well. She also was wearing

532
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Speaker 1: it looked like pajama pants and she wasn't all dold up.

533
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Speaker 1: I think it was a strategic move to make herself

534
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Speaker 1: look relatable. I think she needed a bit more strategy

535
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: involved in this because it was not working for her. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do understand though, why she tried to speak off

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Speaker 1: the cuff, because it is part of her brand. But

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Speaker 1: what I don't understand is you can speak off the

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Speaker 1: cuff and memorize stuff like you can actually come across

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Speaker 1: as a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Serious in your delivery. And when she was just spewing vomit.

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00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: Out like it was just all over the place, how

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Speaker 1: many times do you think she recorded it like that?

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Speaker 1: Could that have been the first record and she's gone, yeah,

545
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Speaker 1: this is one I've done. Maybe it seemed like I

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00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't like to see the other recordings if that was

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Speaker 1: the best one. The general consensus was people felt gas

548
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: lip from the video it's pr one oh one. She

549
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: needed to respond to the allegations properly. That would have

550
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: stopped the narrative. What she has done is provided TikTok

551
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Speaker 1: with even more to run with. She then needed to

552
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Speaker 1: provide a remedy of how she was going to solve

553
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: the situation, so an action list. I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: this moving forward. I'm taking this very seriously.

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Speaker 2: There was none of that now.

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Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa was quick to respond to Anna's video in

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Speaker 1: the comments section, writing Anna, please do not try and

558
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Speaker 1: paint me as a liar. I will come with receipts.

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Speaker 1: Do not make me come on here with it all.

560
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: You said what you said, and you said it in entirety.

561
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Speaker 1: I thought we were friends too, until your friends have

562
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Speaker 1: come to me with everything you've been saying about me

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Speaker 1: the entire time.

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Speaker 2: I reached out because I thought we were friends. We weren't.

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Speaker 1: You were fake and this doesn't cut it. I care

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00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: about children and you're extorting them now. Mickchayla went on

567
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: to screenshot her comment and post it to an Instagram

568
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: story with the caption, of course, Anna will block my comments.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm forced into explaining myself in full. I

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Speaker 1: think the fact that Mikayla was able to reply so

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Speaker 1: quickly back to Anna in a succinct manner she raised

572
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: some really good points highlights even further how poor Anna's eight.

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Speaker 2: Minute video was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose if you're trying to determine who is

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Speaker 1: guilty in this situation, Anna took a week to respond.

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Speaker 2: Michayla then instantly.

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Speaker 1: Responded to the video and said she's got receipts for

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Speaker 1: it now. Twenty four hours later, Mikayla updated her followers

579
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: on those receipts, saying, Hi, guys, I did promise receipts.

580
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Speaker 1: While going through and actually collecting them and reviewing them,

581
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Speaker 1: I realized something very very sinister was happening to meet

582
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Speaker 1: for many years. This is something the police should be seeing,

583
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: not the Internet. Although at some stage I will be

584
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Speaker 1: able to share my story in full, as I have

585
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: shared every piece of my life with you all so far,

586
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Speaker 1: I will have to delay for now. I will be

587
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: moving forward legally the way it should be. I was

588
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: very relieved when Mikayla posted this because I think that

589
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: this issue really needs to move offline now. I can't

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00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: see anything good coming from more of a slinging match

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Speaker 1: between the two of them. It's clear that if this

592
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: matter is as serious as Mikayla alleges it to be,

593
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: the police and legal teams need to get involved. I

594
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Speaker 1: still can't believe this. Sarah's Day has officially invested in Hiro.

595
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Speaker 4: Let me tell you how all went.

596
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: Down after parting ways with long standing partner Trepeka, it's

597
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: been officially announced as Sarah's Day, is an investor in

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Speaker 1: a new drink company called Hiro. The finness influencer has

599
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Speaker 1: been spooking the benefits of the drink across her social

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00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: media channels since July last year, but hasn't let her

601
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Speaker 1: followers in on the secret that she in fact part

602
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Speaker 1: owns the company. So for last week, we discussed that

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Speaker 1: since dropping her daily Body Bloom, Sarah has suddenly been

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Speaker 1: incorporating a new drink into her day routine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At first I thought this was some sort of pre

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Speaker 1: workout drink, but it is actually an electrolyte drink. So

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Speaker 1: it comes in a red sashet which she's been mixing

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00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: into water and has a range of different flavors. The

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Speaker 1: idea is that you take it at the start of

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Speaker 1: the day and during or after your workouts to supposedly

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Speaker 1: replenish the electrolytes that you lost in sweat. It is

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00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: similar to body Bloom in the sense that the drink

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00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: claims to provide better physical performance, muscle function, improved digestion,

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00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: mental clarity, give you better skin, and also support detoxification. Now,

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Speaker 1: the original owners of Hydro are a husband and wife

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Speaker 1: team called Stephen Chapman and Taylor Bird. On the website,

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Speaker 1: the founders make a big point of telling their customers

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Speaker 1: to trust the science and say that the drink has

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Speaker 1: been fine tuned by elite dietitians. Now, the original owners

621
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Speaker 1: of Hydro are a husband and wife team called Stephen

622
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Speaker 1: Chapman and Taylor Bird, and on their website they make

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Speaker 1: a big point telling their customers to trust the science

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Speaker 1: of the drink, and they say that the drink has

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00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: been fine tuned by elite dietitians. It also says that

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Speaker 1: the drink is crafted by the finest ingredients the Earth

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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: can offer, and above all, it only contains five calories

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Speaker 1: and no sugar. It really does seem to be up

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Speaker 1: Sarah's day street, as it also says it has no

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00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: artificial additives, is vegan and quito free, so you can

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Speaker 1: see the alignment there with her now. Sarah first shared

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Speaker 1: about Hiro in July last year, claiming it was helping

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Speaker 1: her get through pregnancy.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw it to what she said.

635
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: Pers this is how I've been surviving this pregnancy.

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Speaker 9: This is Hiro again. It's the Hiro lemonon lime. That's

637
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 9: the one I like tastes like you found a fresh

638
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 9: lemonon lime ice block, like a quarter of an ice block.

639
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 9: Because they water it down and it's melted in your water.

640
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 9: It just gives it that little bit of like zest,

641
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 9: fresh sourness that I'm going to down this whole thing now.

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00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Sarah did tag Hiro in the post, but didn't disclose

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00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: whether the was a paid or gifted partnership. As someone

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00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: who follows her quite closely, I feel like she does

645
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: this with a lot of partners well. The owners were

646
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: quick to cut up Sarah's glowing reviews for their social media.

647
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: They wrote, when you check your DMS and Sarah's day

648
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: gives you a shout out on her Instagram stories, you

649
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a good day. It continued,

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: we couldn't be prouder to be hydrating an icon of

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00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Australian online influencing and someone who absolutely needs to stay

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00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: hydrated getting through all that she does on the day

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Speaker 1: to day plus pregnancy.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: The owners, Stephen and Taylor, were really giving the impression

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Speaker 1: that Sarah randomly came across this relatively unknown brand and

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00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: was so blown away that she just had to post

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Speaker 1: about it to her over a million followers. Here's what

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Speaker 1: they said. We just had some in coming messages in

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Speaker 1: from Sarah's day, tagging.

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Speaker 4: Us in a few Medias's days. I feel like she's

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00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: just one of the OG influences.

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00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: Wake up.

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Speaker 8: This one of the Sarah's days. Pretty epic twenty four

665
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 8: hours watches. That's so exciting. Orders are starting to flow

666
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 8: through already statuned.

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00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: This just felt very twenty seventeen because in this video

668
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: the owners are acting as though Sarah has organically come

669
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: across this product, when in reality we know that they

670
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: would have spent months trying to get noticed by her.

671
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: This would have been some sort of paid partnership. As

672
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: we know, she isn't just posting about.

673
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: Anyone for free.

674
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: And the reason the water is so muddy in this

675
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: situation is because Sarah quite often doesn't disclose paid partnerships

676
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: as you touched on, which leads people to think, oh, well,

677
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe this time around, this is a genuine product that

678
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: she really likes, and this is just a recommendation she's

679
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: letting us know about now. The owners continued saying that

680
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: they have been inundated with orders and people following their

681
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: accounts since Sarah endorsed their product. Now, the endorsement hasn't

682
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: stopped there, so Sarah has continued to share about this

683
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: drink for months on end, with no hashtag, ad or

684
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: partnership disclosure. At the end of last year, she shared

685
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: a YouTube video just casually using Hiro in a smoothie recipe,

686
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: and Hydro has also been casually shared as part of

687
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: her workout routine across her Instagram story. I picked up

688
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: on this straight away and I was like, I bet

689
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: you she's being paid, because, as you said, Sophie, she's

690
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: not the sort of influencer who's going to just share

691
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: something and tag it out of the goodness of her heart. Now, Sophie,

692
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: what has actually been.

693
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: Going on behind the scenes.

694
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Well, to put all of this into context, Sarah's first

695
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: post about Hiro was made in July of twenty twenty four,

696
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: and that's also when the owners made the gushing posts

697
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: about how excited they were that Sarah was trying their product. Now,

698
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: if we fast forward to January twenty twenty five, we

699
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: are now privy to what has really been going on

700
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So on the twentieth of January, Sarah

701
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and Hiro announced that Sarah was a part owner and

702
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: an investor in the company. As predicted, this wasn't just

703
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: some chance discovery from Sarah. The owner said that they

704
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: contacted Sarah in early twenty twenty four and sent her

705
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: drink hoping that she would like it. In April twenty

706
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: twenty four, so three months before her first post about Hiro,

707
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: she replied to the owners saying, Hey, Steve, I'm assuming

708
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: your bubba has arrived, so congratulations we got the product

709
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: and love it to me. Sarah commenting about the founder's

710
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: kids indicates that there's some sort of prior relationship there,

711
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: so clearly there's been more back and forth about her

712
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: trying the product. The owners then said they arranged a

713
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: meeting with Sarah and Kurt in June, so a month

714
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: before this first post. Let's throw to a snippet of

715
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: what they said. The timing was perfect. Sarah was pregnant,

716
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: feeling dehydrated and fatigued, and Hiro became her go to.

717
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Kurt got hooked too, using it daily to fill his

718
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: training and busy dad lack. In June, we met out

719
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: with Sarah and Kurt to taste his new flavors and

720
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: chat about how we could work together as a small startup.

721
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: We didn't want just another paid partnership. We wanted something real,

722
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: something long term. After months of conversations, we made it happen.

723
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Sarah didn't just join as an ambassador.

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00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: She's now an invest a.

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00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Part owner in hiro. This means so much to us

726
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: because Sarah's built an incredible community of people that care

727
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: about health, family, and balance just like we do. So

728
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: to put this all into perspective, Sarah and Kurt agreed

729
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: to become investors and partners in this business in June.

730
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: So for seven months, Sarah has been sharing about a

731
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: product that she has a financial stake in, as though

732
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a stake in it, and as though

733
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: it is just an organic product that she's been using

734
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: because of the benefits.

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00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: This is so incredibly deceptive.

736
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: It just shows that this type of marketing works, though, because,

737
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: as the owner said, Sarah simply posting about the drinks

738
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: makes them sell out of their warehouse several times.

739
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand why has she just not been.

740
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: Upfront Because she's had other business ventures where her name's

741
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: been slapped on stuff, So she's always talking about her

742
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: White Fox boutique line. When she brought out sunglasses when

743
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: she brought out Bathers. I think has been a strategy

744
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: because if you look back at her success with Tripeka,

745
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: as we touched on last week, people genuine only bought

746
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: into the hype around it because back then there wasn't

747
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: so much ad disclosure and people thought, wow, this drink

748
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: is just part of her regular routine. So if her

749
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: consumers think, wow, Sarah's just using this drink because it

750
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: must be really helpful for her workouts, they buy into

751
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: it more than if it was introduced to them as, oh,

752
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: this is this new brand that I'm investing in. Does

753
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: it mean that the brand of Sarah's Day isn't as

754
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: powerful as it once was, because for me, it seems

755
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: strange that an influencer who has such a large following

756
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: wants to almost remove herself from the product even though

757
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: she is an investor in it. Well, she has subsequently

758
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: announced that she is going to be bringing out her

759
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: own Hiro flavor, and this was after she finally came

760
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: clean with her audience about the drink on January twentieth,

761
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: So in a daily vlog she said this.

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 9: Anyway, good morning, I am mixing up my Hiro. This

763
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 9: is my electrolytes. They are ooh delicious. I'm having the

764
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 9: lemon and lime flavor. It kind of tastes like a

765
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 9: splice with ice cold water chef's kIPS, especially after hot pilates.

766
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 9: A handful of you guys actually guessed it, but you

767
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 9: would have seen in a vlog last year. I think

768
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 9: it was around June July twenty twenty four, I had

769
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 9: a meeting with the founders of Hiro, and long story shot,

770
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 9: I ended up investing in the company. I love the founders,

771
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 9: I love the business model, I love the product. So

772
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 9: you'll be seeing a lot more with me and Hiro,

773
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 9: and potentially a new flavor that I've come up with.

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00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I went back to look at her vlogs over this

775
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: period of time to see if this meeting was included,

776
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: and she did go to a secret project meeting in

777
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: a June vlog, but that was with who is Elijah,

778
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: which is the perfume brand that she's collaborating with. I

779
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: did not see any reference to a secret meeting with Hiro.

780
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I do wonder if she's trying to appear as if

781
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: she's been really upfront with her audience about this partnership

782
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: from the get go, when realistically it doesn't appear that

783
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: she has been Do you feel like she is somewhat

784
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: seeking revenge on Tripeka, because, as we discussed in last

785
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: week's episode, during an old episode of her podcast, The

786
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: Health Code, she said that she likes to get revenge

787
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: on sponsors that she's parted ways with by dominating the

788
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: same interest as that brand. And this does seem like

789
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: quite good revenge to be a part owner and investor

790
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: in a very similar product. I wonder if she wanted

791
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: to get shares in Tripeka and they refused, or perhaps

792
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: she actually did have shares at one point, because she

793
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: literally was the face of Tripeka for so many years.

794
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: And I can see why Hiro have jumped on board

795
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: to get her involved as well, because, as they said,

796
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: the drink has been selling a lot. I just don't

797
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: like the way she's marketing it. I do feel like

798
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: it is quite deceptive to have a stake in this

799
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: drink brand for, as you said, over nearly eight to

800
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: nine months and only just now be telling everyone where

801
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: was your ad disclosure. I'm confused that she doesn't face

802
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: any ramifications for this type of behavior with the A

803
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: Triple C. I wonder if it's because people are so

804
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: unaware that this isn't AD they don't even bother reporting it.

805
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: It's that deceptive in saying that.

806
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: As someone who is pretty sad obviously in the influencers

807
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: space having this podcast, I knew straightaway that it was

808
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: a partnership. Most influencers don't tag a brand if there's

809
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: not some sort of kickback for them, So I think

810
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: if you're a savvy consumer of influencer content, you knew

811
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: that there was a partnership there. I get the impression

812
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: that influencers know that they can get away with it,

813
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: and that's why they do it. There is great area though,

814
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: now that she actually has a financial stake in the brand,

815
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: because it's not like, for example, Steph Kleas Smith and

816
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw always put AD paid partnership when they're talking

817
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: about their own business and promoting it. Yeah, but they're

818
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: upfront with the fact that they have a financial stake

819
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: in it. You know that it's their business. For seven

820
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: months now, we haven't known that Sarah had anything.

821
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 8: To do with it.

822
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: I am fascinated that she has decided to invest in

823
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: this product and not just be an ambassador. I think

824
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: that's a really big step, and I wonder if it's

825
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: because she got sick of brands dropping her once they

826
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: got enough exposure for her. We've seen her name be

827
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: removed from so many brands and they just continue on

828
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: without her. Well, it's a very good business move that

829
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: a lot of successful people use. The business comes to you,

830
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: says that we want to use you to expose our

831
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: brand to your audience, and you say, well, I'd like

832
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: a ten percent stake in it. I wonder how her

833
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: followers feel about this type of advertising and if they

834
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: feel a bit deceived, because I would feel a bit

835
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: silly if I saw her what I thought organically talking

836
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: about how fantastic this product is, and then later revealing

837
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: that she actually had a financial stake in it, I

838
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: would think, oh, okay, I'm probably not going to trust

839
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: her recommendation and reviews going forward. I think that's a

840
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: bit of a naive look at the influencer space, though,

841
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: because it's not like we're in twenty eleven where we're like, oh,

842
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: the influencer must really like this product. Like everyone knows

843
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: that what people are spooking on their social media channel

844
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But

845
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: I do think that there are genuine micro influencers who

846
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: share really helpful reviews, and with TikTok, we're seeing everyday

847
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: people share about products in a very genuine way. But

848
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: that's not Sarah's day, and that's never been a mo

849
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: because a lot of people used to get sucked in. Originally,

850
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: when she was talking about her Loving Earth Chocolate and

851
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: her Trapeqe Care, they didn't know that she had a

852
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: brand deal with them. But we're now savvy enough to

853
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: know she's not just helping her followers, she's helping her payback.

854
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: And that's why I think people are moving away from

855
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: taking recommendations and advice from social media influences and moving

856
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: towards genuine TikTok reviews.

857
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: From everyday people.

858
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: Now, when I was taking a deeper look into Hiro,

859
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I found a marketing campaign they ran in August which

860
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: was quite disturbing. So the basis of the campaign is

861
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: that the owner, Steven, declared that he was fasting until

862
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: they reached their first one thousand sales. Oh god, now,

863
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: at the time they were sitting on nine hundred and

864
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: sixty one sales. Let's throw it to what he said.

865
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 8: Starting a water only a hirofast until we a thousand

866
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 8: gus started a couple days ago. I've it's been having

867
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 8: water and hiro. Okay, this is a good idea.

868
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad you're having the hiro. We're at least

869
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 10: replacing the electrolytes which are critical, and you've also got

870
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 10: some vitamin C in there as well. My preference is

871
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 10: that this only goes on for a week, but take nally,

872
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 10: we can get you up to twenty one day now.

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00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: In the caption, they did point out that Highro is

874
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: actually perfectly suited for fasting, as it contains all the

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00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: electrolytes you need and no sugar, so your body apparently

876
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Speaker 1: does stay in katosis throughout. This was followed up by

877
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: Steven interviewing the company's dietitian about his fasting stunt.

878
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 8: What else am I going to experience this?

879
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 10: So obviously headaches, fatigue, really low energy.

880
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 8: Okay, So what you're saying is should I do this

881
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 8: or not?

882
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 10: I think the reality is you're doing it. Focus on

883
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 10: your hydration, drink plenty of Highro, and let's get those thousand.

884
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 8: Customers over to you guys, please save me. Head to

885
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 8: the website now and order so I can start drinking

886
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 8: more than just this.

887
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I was shocked when I watched this video. I can't

888
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: believe he was able to get a nutritionist to say

889
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: that it was okay for him to be consuming just

890
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: water and hiro for twenty one days. This makes me

891
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: lose any truck in the so called scientific claims made

892
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: by this product. This just seems insane to me. I mean,

893
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: he's clearly using shock value to sell products. I do question, though,

894
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: what type of effects There's Day has had on this

895
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: company if they thought it would take twenty one days

896
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: for him to get thirty nine orders through. Now it's

897
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: that time of the week where we have our Friday

898
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: debrief and I'm gonna kick us off. I have a

899
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: hire to share with you guys. So Jack, he is

900
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: nearly eight months old, and he just started crawling this week.

901
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: And I have heard this is where things get serious.

902
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: So you're having to move everything, you're having to babyproof

903
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: the house, you're running around. But it was such a

904
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: joy to see him crawl. And it's so funny because

905
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: it's not his toys that he's crawling towards. It's everything

906
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: that he's not meant to have, So it's my phone

907
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: or it's the dog toy. He actually first crawled to

908
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: my frank green water bottle and he tried to grab it.

909
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is nearly as big as you.

910
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: He's pretty fast as well, because he's only been doing

911
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. I couldn't leave the

912
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: speed he was taking on the carpet. I love that

913
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: this is your high. Will it suddenly turn into your

914
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: low causing draper?

915
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 8: Well?

916
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: Probably.

917
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Speaker 1: I also have a question for our listeners who are momths.

918
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: So Jack is at an age where his wake windows

919
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: aren't as dominated by his feeds anymore. So I've got

920
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: a lot of time to play with him, and we

921
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: go and play with the toys that he got for Christmas,

922
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: but I'm personally getting bored of them, and I'm thinking

923
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: he probably is too. I have seen a few TikTok

924
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: videos where it shows activities for you to do with

925
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: your kids. So I filled up this big saucepan and

926
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: put blocks in it, and it was all well and

927
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: good until he tried to pour it over. Does anyone

928
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: have any activities that take up a lot of time

929
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: that are enjoyable for not only Jack, but for me.

930
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Because it's getting to a point where I'm like, I

931
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. It's funny you asked that

932
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: because I'm on kitten Took because I've got a new kitten, Winnie,

933
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and I've seen all these people that been doing all

934
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: these enrichment activities with their cats, which make me feel

935
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: so guilty, Like I didn't even know that was the thing. Yeah,

936
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: it does make you feel guilty because you're like, hang on,

937
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: while I've been focusing on him trying to crawl, have

938
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: I been doing enough language activities with him?

939
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Like it's just never ending.

940
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: My Friday share is a bit of a different one

941
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: to yours. Okay, not so wholesome. I had a very

942
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: scary experience at a Hungry Jack's drive through on Saturday nights.

943
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Did someone drop a whopper? Had a joke that went

944
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: through front of me?

945
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

946
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: Well, basically I was. It was around eleven o'clock at night,

947
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: right before Hungry Jack's closed. I was actually picking my

948
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: partner something up. This wasn't a pregnancy craving and I

949
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: was in the car by myself, and I made my

950
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: order and I sat in the drive through for ten

951
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: minutes whilst I was waiting for the car in front

952
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: of me. Now, the car in front of me had

953
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: a husband and wife, I think in their forties in there,

954
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: and I thought that they knew the girl at the

955
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: front desk at at the front window. They seemed to

956
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: be engaged in some sort of conversation. I thought that

957
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: they were smiling. It turns out they were actually yelling

958
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: at this poor girl. Now, when it got to about

959
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes that I was still in this line, I

960
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is going going on? Am

961
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: I going to get my food? Am I going to

962
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: get out of here? Because that was the only exit anyway,

963
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: Whilst I was waiting, this teenage girl from Hungry Jack's,

964
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Speaker 1: one of the workers. She came out and delivered me

965
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: my meal on foot and explained that the car in

966
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: front of me was abusing them over wanting to get

967
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: a refund. So did she bring out the credit card

968
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: thing too? Not already paid by this dage. I was

969
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: just waiting for my food, and she said, oh, look,

970
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: they're not going to move, so you might just want

971
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: to reverse out. And I had just recently got my

972
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: car fixed and there was no way I was going

973
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: to be reversing out of the drive through, So I

974
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: said do you reckon? I could just toot them and

975
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: it might encourage them to leave. Sophie hasn't added that

976
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: she had me on the other end of the phone,

977
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, just be careful.

978
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: You never know how people are going to react.

979
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get home by then, so I

980
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: tried to do a friendly too, you know, when it's

981
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: not a full It was not friendly. It did not

982
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: sound friendly for me at my end. They didn't react.

983
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: So then I called out the window, sorry, do you

984
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: mind moving?

985
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I can't get out anyway.

986
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: The woman tries to open her door. She couldn't she

987
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: was so close to the drive through window. Then the

988
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: husband throws his door back before coming over to my car.

989
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: He then runs over to the front window, starts abusing

990
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the girl some more, storms over to my car window,

991
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I

992
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: thought he was going to punch the bonnet of my car.

993
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you want?

994
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I'm so sorry. I am she's

995
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: just trying to get out of the drive through. You

996
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: guys are blocking me.

997
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: And he's like, these people are assholes and starts complaining

998
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: about his meal and that they didn't give him a refund. Think, sir,

999
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: you were the asshole. I did not say anything at

1000
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: this point. If I were you, I would have been like,

1001
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm just a pregnant lady trying to get Hungry Jack. Well.

1002
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: I actually thought I was gonna get punched in the face. Thankfully,

1003
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: he then says to me, Okay, we'll move, but just

1004
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: want to know that we've called the police over the

1005
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Hungry Jacks and then other police having to deal with

1006
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: incidents like this, like they do not own enough. These

1007
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: other poor teenage worker from Hungry Jacks literally ran out

1008
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: to see if I was okay because she thought that

1009
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the man might have physically anyway. This was all for

1010
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: a meal that wasn't even for me. It was very traumatizing.

1011
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I left completely sweaty and shaking. And so do you

1012
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: no longer have cravings for Hungry Jacks now as part

1013
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: of your pregnancies that put you on I've never had

1014
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: Hungry Jack's cravings. I'm a McDonald's girl through and through.

1015
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: So I was very annoyed. I rang up my husband

1016
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: and was like, God, I've been through shit to get

1017
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: this meal for you. Well, I've got a recommendation for you, guys.

1018
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: It is a TV show and it's for anyone else

1019
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: who loves crime drama. So it is an old one.

1020
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: It's a twenty thirteen series called The Fall, but it

1021
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: is a lot like the show broad Church, which I

1022
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: got you guys onto. So it stars actress Gillian Anderson.

1023
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: You'll know her from Sex Edge. She also played Margaret

1024
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: Thatcher in The Crown and she was in The X Files.

1025
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: She is amazing anything she's in I watch. It's also

1026
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: got Christian Gray from Fifty Shades of Gray, the guy who.

1027
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: Played him in it highly recommend.

1028
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's not really selling it to me. That

1029
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: was from twenty thirteen, but broad Church was from the

1030
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: same era and I got into that, so maybe may

1031
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: listeners will have to give it a go. It's got everything,

1032
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: it's got hot people, it's got crime. Well, I'm for

1033
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: seasons into suits and I'm obsessed with it, so maybe

1034
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: I'll give it a go. After that, Well, I think

1035
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you

1036
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you

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00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are

1038
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the

1040
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to

1041
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: elders past and present