Speaker 1: Are you ready good Pickup with Britt Hogley and Laura Burn?
Speaker 2: Brady your what our windows down? That's my world reason
Speaker 2: the dust only good ball down. I don't much, but
Speaker 2: you I'll big get and what I want. It don't
Speaker 2: matter where.
Speaker 3: This is the pickup.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, you're listening to the pick Up with Britt Hockley.
Speaker 4: And Laura Burn and it's almost time for you to
Speaker 4: gallivant to the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the context is my husband is currently
Speaker 1: in I'm a Celebrity to get me out of here,
Speaker 1: and it is finals week on I'm a Celebrity, And
Speaker 1: so if he stays for much longer.
Speaker 4: If he makes it to the final, like the final three,
Speaker 4: you'll be jetting over to South Africa to like do
Speaker 4: that emotional greet where you run in slow motion and
Speaker 4: embrace each other and there's tears.
Speaker 1: He's lost so much weight I can tell just from
Speaker 1: watching the show, Like he looks so gaunt, just imagining
Speaker 1: running towards him and having a cuddle, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be all skin and bones. Yeah, like a hungry, cranky
Speaker 1: man that he is. Okay, So, if you haven't been watching,
Speaker 1: it is finals week and now is the time that
Speaker 1: your votes count more than anything. So I will do
Speaker 1: a shameless call out. Please go to tend play and
Speaker 1: vote for my husband because I'd like a trip to
Speaker 1: South Africa.
Speaker 2: You're taking the.
Speaker 1: Kiddies too, Yeah, I think I would take the kids.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it depends. It's a pretty big trip
Speaker 1: for two little kids and a pretty quick turn around it.
Speaker 4: So just like you really want him to make it
Speaker 4: to the end because you want a trip, but then
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, a flight to South Africa
Speaker 4: alone with your kids is why it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So I kind of think, you know, if he does
Speaker 1: make it through to the finale, I worry that he'll
Speaker 1: be disappointed if the girls aren't there, Like if it's just.
Speaker 2: Me that rocks up, he'd be like, where are the children?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: I can only imagine he's been missing them so much
Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks. Yeah, or he's been having
Speaker 1: a holiday and having a great time with at us.
Speaker 3: I know he's not.
Speaker 4: He's eating the most horrible things. He's starving. It's not
Speaker 4: a holiday, I don't know. It's a holiday from life,
Speaker 4: but not a holiday. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: What if you have kids, though, Like you did it
Speaker 1: without kids, So you were just having a holiday from
Speaker 1: your normal like lovely life where you get to soorda
Speaker 1: an ice bath. He's like actually getting a holiday from parenting.
Speaker 1: And so maybe he's like I would rather eat a
Speaker 1: pigs butt hole than bea at home right now?
Speaker 4: Why, Well that's saying a lot. I think we're going
Speaker 4: to see him in the final. So if you haven't voted,
Speaker 4: now is your time. But let's get into the show.
Speaker 4: So you guys might have heard the news that Hollywood
Speaker 4: superstar Renee Zellweger is in town. Bridget Jones Number four
Speaker 4: has just been released on the weekend, and I was
Speaker 4: lucky enough to be able to go to the premiere.
Speaker 2: You were flashing yourself on the red carpet.
Speaker 4: That's right, Flashmound is on the red car butt in
Speaker 4: true Bridget Jones style. Like I felt like that was
Speaker 4: an ode to Bridget Jones.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that. You embodied it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really did. They didn't write that.
Speaker 4: They just wrote that I flash Monday's malfunctioned irrelevant. So
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the movie itself. I know
Speaker 4: I mentioned yesterday. If you were listening that I just
Speaker 4: loved it. It was about grief and I had all these
Speaker 4: beautiful aspects to it. But there was a part of
Speaker 4: the movie that I particularly resonated with. Bridget Jones in
Speaker 4: this movie is an older woman that gets into a
Speaker 4: very loving sexual relationship with quite a younger man, Like
Speaker 4: I'm talking.
Speaker 3: Handalus, pretty big age gap. It's about twenty years.
Speaker 1: Actually it's also Leo Woodall, So who could blame her?
Speaker 3: Anyone is going for Leo Woodall.
Speaker 2: I don't care what age you are.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry this has just become the Leo Woodall
Speaker 1: fan show.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's like, why are you still talking about him?
Speaker 2: It's my fault? Well, Bridgie on.
Speaker 3: The reason, that's all you are.
Speaker 4: Bridget Jones's author Helen Fielding has come out and said
Speaker 4: that this was very intentional. She really wanted to smash
Speaker 4: the idea that women have this sexual cell by date.
Speaker 4: Hollywood has always made us believe that you get to
Speaker 4: an age and you're no longer desirable, you no longer
Speaker 4: want to have those relationships. It's always been okay for men,
Speaker 4: especially in Hollywood, to date women ten, twenty, thirty, forty
Speaker 4: years younger than them, and no one bats an eyelid.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Leo DiCaprio, for example, the age
Speaker 1: of his girlfriends have never changed. I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: was dating twenty year olds when we were all twenty
Speaker 1: Is he like late forties now I don't even know.
Speaker 2: He's fifty, He's just fifty.
Speaker 1: He's still dating twenty year old twenty five is nothing
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, well, actually I have a few things
Speaker 1: against it, but like you know, well, people.
Speaker 3: Have started to talk about that.
Speaker 4: But this whole narrative is being flipped on its head.
Speaker 4: And we've seen quite a few movies in the last
Speaker 4: year where they've had relationships between the older women and
Speaker 4: the younger men, like Anne Hathaway did a movie earlier
Speaker 4: this year as well, where she was in a relationship
Speaker 4: with a guy in his twenties. I think it's really
Speaker 4: cool personally because I've always dated younger, and I've always
Speaker 4: made jokes about the fact that.
Speaker 3: I'm a cougar. Now I'm not dating twenty years younger.
Speaker 4: Mine are like between five seven eight years, But eight
Speaker 4: years has been my match.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely mac ye, okay, what I would do.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm getting married now, but my ex was seven
Speaker 4: years younger. Than me, and I just remember, I remember
Speaker 4: the feelings surrounding that from other people, but also the
Speaker 4: feelings that I had myself. It didn't bother me, but
Speaker 4: I felt the judgment from other people because when we
Speaker 4: started dating, I was in my thirties and he was
Speaker 4: still twenty five, which is very young.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because, like, I know that I
Speaker 1: have a bias from years of watching you know, just
Speaker 1: men who are older date younger women, and women all
Speaker 1: a date older men. I personally have never dated anybody
Speaker 1: that's like significantly younger than me. Funnily enough, my husband
Speaker 1: is actually the youngest man I've ever dated, and he's
Speaker 1: only a year and a half younger than me. But
Speaker 1: I've always thought, and this is actually kind of sad,
Speaker 1: I've always thought, why would someone younger than me? Like,
Speaker 1: why would a younger man want to be with me
Speaker 1: when he could be with a twenty year old you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, like like I put the expiration on myself,
Speaker 1: and I know that that is so backwards and it's
Speaker 1: almost the antithesis of this, but it shows the conditioning.
Speaker 1: Like I've never looked at a forty year old man
Speaker 1: and being like, God, what would a thirty year old
Speaker 1: see in you. I've always just thought that was completely
Speaker 1: statistically normal, Whereas, like for me, as someone who is
Speaker 1: surging towards my forties, if I was single, I would
Speaker 1: genuinely think, what would a twenty nine year old man
Speaker 1: see in me?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I know that that shouldn't be the case, and
Speaker 1: I love that there are movies that are platforming the alternate,
Speaker 1: but I do think that women face so much more
Speaker 1: judgment for dating younger men than what men do. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I don't think it. It's absolutely
Speaker 1: just fact.
Speaker 4: Of course they do, which is why it's so important
Speaker 4: that these movies are flipping that narrative on his head.
Speaker 4: It sounds so cliche, but I truly believe that age.
Speaker 3: Is just a number. It depends on what the person is.
Speaker 4: What is that person bringing to the relationship, what are
Speaker 4: they offering, how do they act, their emotional maturity, their
Speaker 4: life experience. And you know, the twenty five year old
Speaker 4: that I was dating was so worldly and so mature,
Speaker 4: like the position that he was in, what he did,
Speaker 4: what he brought our relationship was amazing. I didn't look
Speaker 4: at him like he was younger. I think we forget
Speaker 4: and we put the limitations on ourselves. Yes, society does.
Speaker 4: But what you said is true, Laura, like we say
Speaker 4: it to ourselves. Yeah, we say it to ourselves though,
Speaker 4: because it's been said so much. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: I'm happily married. I don't not running out there wanting
Speaker 4: to date a twenty year old by But I guess
Speaker 4: what I mean by this is when I say, like,
Speaker 4: I have this judgment about myself or about you know,
Speaker 4: it's a fleeting thought when I do see these age
Speaker 4: disparity in relationships. But the thing is is, like all
Speaker 4: that does is reinforces that women must have an expiration date,
Speaker 4: that they're not as valuable as they get older as
Speaker 4: what men are.
Speaker 1: Because men retain value, they can still date down. But
Speaker 1: the older you get as a woman, then the expectation
Speaker 1: is that you don't. And that's something that needs to
Speaker 1: be looked at for sure.
Speaker 4: Except it's actually perfect because men's sexual peak is in
Speaker 4: their twenties and women's sexual peaks they're not peaking till
Speaker 4: mid to late thirties, even early forties some women. So
Speaker 4: that's really ideal for a younger man. That's in his peak,
Speaker 4: that wants someone that's like thriving, experienced, knows what they want.
Speaker 2: Brittany's selling it. She's like all the younger men slide
Speaker 2: into my note. You're happily engaged. No, fine, No, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: But imagine how amazing it would be to be Rene
Speaker 4: Zelwiga when the author and the director brings this to you, right,
Speaker 4: and they're like, hey, we're.
Speaker 3: Going to set you up with a man in his twenties.
Speaker 3: Take your pick, what actor do you want? And you
Speaker 3: get to like look around Hollywood and be like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: I guess, beg Any, what times are changing? They really are?
Speaker 2: Are They?
Speaker 3: Women are in control?
Speaker 1: We're talking about Chrissy Teagan because I do feel like
Speaker 1: every year or six months, like she kind of just
Speaker 1: comes around and makes people mad again, and it's like
Speaker 1: the unfortunate for her, like the Christy Taguan hate train.
Speaker 2: I quite like swings background. I like her.
Speaker 4: I don't stand by her past decisions, but I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, ten years ago, she's stayed pretty.
Speaker 3: Clean until now, we didn't. She get got canceled for
Speaker 3: She got canceled because she was bullying people.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: Oh that's what I'm saying I don't agree with like
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago Chrissy Teagan, but I do believe that
Speaker 4: people can change if they try, or.
Speaker 2: She's learned some lessons.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: Well, she posted a photo on Instagram recently which received
Speaker 1: a lot of backlash and I like it made me
Speaker 1: ask a few questions, but I want to bring it
Speaker 1: to you Britain, see what you think about this. So
Speaker 1: the photo that she's posted, just to paint a picture
Speaker 1: for you guys, it's her inner bath with three of
Speaker 1: her four children. So she's got Miles in there who's six,
Speaker 1: her daughter st two, and then her youngest son who's
Speaker 1: only nineteen months. All of them are in the bath.
Speaker 1: They're all nude, but you can't see anything. Everything's covered,
Speaker 1: like the water is particularly murky, soverathing is quite covered
Speaker 1: and quite dense. The problem is is that the people
Speaker 1: in the comments who are outraged by this, the thing
Speaker 1: that they seem to have taken issue with is the
Speaker 1: fact that her oldest son is six years old and
Speaker 1: he's in the bath naked with his mum, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people are calling it out as weird or
Speaker 1: that he's too old to be nude with his mom
Speaker 1: and that it's maybe sexualizing him or there's something very
Speaker 1: very off about the fact that he's taking a bath
Speaker 1: with his mom.
Speaker 4: I think there is something off about people that think
Speaker 4: it there's something off about him taking a bath. He's
Speaker 4: six years old. If you have a problem with that,
Speaker 4: that's your internalized issues that you were putting on that
Speaker 4: child and that family. Like he's a six year old,
Speaker 4: he's just gone to school. He's a small child with
Speaker 4: his mum and his family in the bath. I don't
Speaker 4: have kids, I will say that, but I don't see an.
Speaker 3: Issue with that at all.
Speaker 4: I think the bigger issue is probably around privacy and
Speaker 4: like posting the photo in that setting in.
Speaker 3: The first place.
Speaker 4: But people that have an issue with him being six
Speaker 4: as if like that's a teenager.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's been on the earth for six years.
Speaker 3: I mean like literally on the earth for six years.
Speaker 2: I mean, my daughter's.
Speaker 1: Five Mali, and I was goby to say she doesn't
Speaker 1: know a left from rights, but she does now she
Speaker 1: knows a left and right.
Speaker 3: But sometimes she's a child genius.
Speaker 2: Next time she's not working, I'd still have a bath
Speaker 2: with her.
Speaker 1: Like I have no issues having a bath or being
Speaker 1: nude around my kids at five and four. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the age is when the cutoff is. Maybe
Speaker 1: every child is a little bit different, depending on how
Speaker 1: mature they are or what kind of questions they start asking.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's at six, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, my kid's not that I'm saying I'm running
Speaker 1: around naked with them all the time. But I'm definitely like,
Speaker 1: don't see an issue with it now, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: And I do wonder what the issue is with them
Speaker 4: seeing naked bodies anyway, Like it's your family members, Like,
Speaker 4: it's not sexualized, you know what I mean, It's just
Speaker 4: the son is not looking at his mum in a
Speaker 4: weird way, and the mum's not looking at his son
Speaker 4: in a weird way.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that though. I think that everyone
Speaker 1: has a different take on nudity. Like some people grow
Speaker 1: up in families where like they're used to seeing their
Speaker 1: mums and dads naked and it's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: And other people grow up in families where they've never
Speaker 1: seen them mum or dad naked.
Speaker 2: Produce a grace, Just put a hand up. Do you
Speaker 2: want to get something off your chest.
Speaker 4: You're gonna say, I stayed at my mom's house last
Speaker 4: week and I saw her naked.
Speaker 2: Then I had a shower and she just popped in
Speaker 2: to do something, And then.
Speaker 3: I think it's different. Yes, and I think it's different.
Speaker 4: Like if I saw my mom naked now as an adult,
Speaker 4: not weird. But if I saw my dad naked as
Speaker 4: an adult, I'm like weird, So I think.
Speaker 3: And when you think about it, when I.
Speaker 2: Was last week, I see your dad naked, it's a while.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think. Another maybe it's seven. Maybe it's only
Speaker 3: a year away.
Speaker 4: For Christy Tiaguan's son, like I feel like the age
Speaker 4: is coming where it starts they become more aware of
Speaker 4: their body and things like that. I don't think six
Speaker 4: is it, but I don't think it's probably that far off.
Speaker 2: We enjoy it.
Speaker 1: She does have an older daughter, Luna, who's eight years old,
Speaker 1: so you know, only a little bit older than Miles,
Speaker 1: and she wasn't in the bar, so maybe that is
Speaker 1: the cutoff.
Speaker 2: Brit Maybe you're right, maybe it is eight. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a tricky one because if you're gonna
Speaker 1: put that much of your family and your life out
Speaker 1: on Instagram. When you've got that many followers, you've got
Speaker 1: to expect people are going to have opinions or thoughts
Speaker 1: on the way that you parent are things that you do.
Speaker 1: And for me, like I don't care about the fact
Speaker 1: that they were having a bath together. I'm impressed that
Speaker 1: they've got a bath big enough to fit for people
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's Christy Tague and John Legend.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: But I guess the thing for me is the concern
Speaker 1: that you had brit Is around internet safety. And I
Speaker 1: probably and I know that you might put photos up
Speaker 1: of your kids at the beach or whatever, and there
Speaker 1: probably isn't that much difference in terms of the amount
Speaker 1: of skin showing. But I definitely think that there's something
Speaker 1: more intimate about being in a bath and all being
Speaker 1: implied naked than being at the beach or being somewhere
Speaker 1: else where.
Speaker 2: You know you're wearing a bikiti or whatever.
Speaker 4: And maybe this is something we need to unpack more
Speaker 4: when we've got more time. But I've read something just
Speaker 4: this morning, like within the Australian media that was saying
Speaker 4: school photos now like back to school photos, they're worried
Speaker 4: of falling into the wrong hands on the internet, and
Speaker 4: the question.
Speaker 3: Is, like, where do we stop is?
Speaker 2: He answered that I understood share anything.
Speaker 1: Ever, I think school photos are such a scary thing though,
Speaker 1: because you're giving every person out there on the internet
Speaker 1: access to where your kid goes to school, like it's
Speaker 1: like putting a target on their back. I absolutely think
Speaker 1: that that's something that parents should be way more conscious
Speaker 1: about when they're sharing, like, you know, my kid's first
Speaker 1: day of.
Speaker 2: School photos and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Perc.
Speaker 1: Now, we have been having very big chats after last
Speaker 1: week's announcement from you, Britt, and that is Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars.
Speaker 3: Yep. I don't know how or why.
Speaker 4: No, actually I do know they called me and because
Speaker 4: they saw my terrible dance videos.
Speaker 2: We still don't know why though. No.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been doing dance rehearsals with my fiancee Ben
Speaker 4: for our wedding and they have not been going well,
Speaker 4: and I've been putting them on social media, and Dancing
Speaker 4: saw that and thought bingo.
Speaker 1: Well, yesterday they did the announcement and the release of
Speaker 1: the full cast, and you have been telling me that
Speaker 1: you've been doing seemingly surprisingly well, like you seem to.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I'm killing it, but I've got I've
Speaker 4: put like two feet together, and I can do some
Speaker 4: spins and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I've seen some of your dance, like you've shown
Speaker 1: me little bits of like video recordings, and I would
Speaker 1: say that in some ways you're doing okay, and in
Speaker 1: other ways there might need to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more practice. But I thought it might be good to
Speaker 1: get like an unbiased and impartial view on how you're
Speaker 1: actually going, and get you know, a dancing expert here,
Speaker 1: someone who you might be familiar with. We have Craig
Speaker 1: Bondley on the line, who is actually Brittany's dancing partner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get very very up close and personal.
Speaker 2: Craig. Welcome to the pick up.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Hi, Craig. Okay, honest opinion. How do you think brit
Speaker 2: is going?
Speaker 5: Hurricane brit Hurricane Brit going. I think she thinks she
Speaker 5: signed up for MMA with the start.
Speaker 2: I'm a bit ralf.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: No, Actually, she's doing pretty good. I have to say
Speaker 5: she's doing really, really well.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I would I almost want to challenge that because I've
Speaker 1: seen a few videos of you guys trying to do
Speaker 1: lists where it's just ended with her crutch in your face.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that that was the desired outcome,
Speaker 1: believe it or not.
Speaker 3: Oh, was that not the move, Craig.
Speaker 5: No, that's definitely not the not the desired goal. We'll
Speaker 5: get there eventually, I think, hopefully in time for the show.
Speaker 4: Eventually, I think hopefully. There were the three terms you
Speaker 4: just shoot.
Speaker 3: It's just in one sentence.
Speaker 4: That didn't give me a lot of faith I did.
Speaker 4: There was a mishap that did happen in the last
Speaker 4: couple of days. I did catch it on film. Craig
Speaker 4: was trying to lift me in the air, and as
Speaker 4: I was in the air, going up towards his shoulder,
Speaker 4: something happened. I was like a mermaid flipper dolphin, and
Speaker 4: I flipped my legs and I kicked him in the
Speaker 4: testicles and in the air.
Speaker 3: Now, hang on, before we feel sorry for Craig. He
Speaker 3: threw me.
Speaker 2: I was on his shoulder.
Speaker 3: He threw me to the ground. Was a reaction as
Speaker 3: he crumbled to the ground. But I really flipped him
Speaker 3: in the testicles.
Speaker 2: You kicked him in the balls, of course he threw you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the pain level Craig out.
Speaker 2: Of one to ten.
Speaker 5: I mean, I have a three year old, so she
Speaker 5: jumps over me all the time, So I think it's
Speaker 5: just part of every day now.
Speaker 3: But wow, some discipline.
Speaker 5: I'd probably give it a seven out of said Craig.
Speaker 2: How many seasons of Dancing with the Star have you done?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: This would be my eighth season.
Speaker 1: And in terms of it being your eight season, how
Speaker 1: do you think Britt ranks against all of your other
Speaker 1: dance partner Oh, that's a hard question.
Speaker 5: To be diplomatic. Everyone has been amazing. Oh, but I
Speaker 5: think Britt's definitely up there. I think she's doing really
Speaker 5: well and I think, yeah, she could surprise a few people.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Thank you? Firstly, what do you
Speaker 3: think will be my unraveling?
Speaker 4: Like? What do you think is the thing that I'm
Speaker 4: having the most trouble with or not nailing?
Speaker 5: I mean, you do choke me quite a lot.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a very particular dance move. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that one's being taught.
Speaker 5: I think if we can get that under control, I
Speaker 5: think will be okay.
Speaker 4: I think that needs context. So what happens is I
Speaker 4: panic a lot and my hand ends up around his
Speaker 4: throat for stability, and he's like, he's like head on throat.
Speaker 3: I was like, sorry, so there's a lot of choking unintentionally.
Speaker 2: He's like yeah.
Speaker 1: And since the cast has been released, who do you
Speaker 1: think is going to be the like your biggest competition.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a few dark horses in the competition.
Speaker 5: I think I wouldn't be surprised if Trent's not too bad.
Speaker 3: He's a AFL player, yeap?
Speaker 5: And is it Karina's a newsreader Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think she's a dark horse for sure.
Speaker 4: But you know who he really is. I only found
Speaker 4: out today. Kyle, who's one of the actors on Home
Speaker 4: and Away.
Speaker 3: He's on it.
Speaker 4: He's a trained contemporary dancer. Trained take the mirror ball now,
Speaker 4: Carl take it.
Speaker 5: But he's not. He's not in your not in your team,
Speaker 5: so doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But he's still in the competition.
Speaker 5: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig. Do you know how craigs are? Eight seasons
Speaker 2: but he's still learning.
Speaker 5: Get to the final and then then we'll worry about
Speaker 5: the fine.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Well we are wishing you all the best luck, brute.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you guys before and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you guys compete. And I really
Speaker 1: hope that there's some dramatic improvement in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks.
Speaker 3: So do I pray for me?
Speaker 5: Everyone?
Speaker 4: Thanks Craig, I'll see you later. All dance till ten
Speaker 4: pm tonight sounds good? Okay, Bye, Thanks Craig,