1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:09,791 Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges 2 00:00:09,951 --> 00:00:12,911 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this 3 00:00:12,991 --> 00:00:16,151 Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land 4 00:00:16,151 --> 00:00:19,591 Speaker 1: where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from. 5 00:00:19,911 --> 00:00:21,991 Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders 6 00:00:22,071 --> 00:00:25,631 Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledge that this always was Aboriginal 7 00:00:25,711 --> 00:00:31,711 Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to the 8 00:00:31,751 --> 00:00:41,071 Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Baals. Welcome back to 9 00:00:41,191 --> 00:00:44,791 Speaker 1: another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast here on 10 00:00:44,831 --> 00:00:48,791 Speaker 1: the beautiful lands of the Yagerer Terrible Peoples here in 11 00:00:48,911 --> 00:00:53,831 Speaker 1: Brisbane aka Mangangen. I can't wait to share with you 12 00:00:54,351 --> 00:01:00,631 Speaker 1: that's exciting three part series with NRMA about amplifying First 13 00:01:00,711 --> 00:01:06,711 Speaker 1: Nations businesses and sharing our starfories, about our community resilience 14 00:01:06,951 --> 00:01:09,831 Speaker 1: and just who we are as Aboriginal and toush under 15 00:01:09,911 --> 00:01:12,751 Speaker 1: people's So you're in for an absolute treat. I've got 16 00:01:12,751 --> 00:01:17,231 Speaker 1: a deadly brother on the podcast today who I've actually 17 00:01:17,271 --> 00:01:19,711 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do business with, So this is 18 00:01:19,751 --> 00:01:22,911 Speaker 1: going to be a pretty deadly yarn. So my brother Jesse, 19 00:01:23,631 --> 00:01:25,111 Speaker 1: it's all over to you. Do you want to share 20 00:01:25,151 --> 00:01:29,391 Speaker 1: with our listeners and our viewers on YouTube. Just a 21 00:01:29,431 --> 00:01:32,031 Speaker 1: little bit about who you are, where you come from, 22 00:01:32,111 --> 00:01:34,631 Speaker 1: your mob, and then we're going to get straight into 23 00:01:35,271 --> 00:01:38,151 Speaker 1: what you do. But you know, as Black Fellows, we 24 00:01:38,191 --> 00:01:40,791 Speaker 1: always start with who we are, when we come from 25 00:01:41,351 --> 00:01:41,871 Speaker 1: or yours. 26 00:01:42,591 --> 00:01:45,551 Speaker 2: Yeah, before I start, of course, i'd love to acknowledge 27 00:01:45,591 --> 00:01:47,911 Speaker 2: the truss where we gave it today, the Yaga and 28 00:01:47,991 --> 00:01:50,671 Speaker 2: Durable people, and pay my respect to elders Worth past 29 00:01:50,751 --> 00:01:54,631 Speaker 2: president Emerging. My name's Jesse Green. I'm a prayer. Butchla 30 00:01:54,671 --> 00:01:59,271 Speaker 2: Wa Bara Andamarra man so Butchola gari Or upnear Harvey Bay, 31 00:01:59,511 --> 00:02:03,551 Speaker 2: Fraser Roland formerly known Wappa Bar up near the Caple 32 00:02:03,791 --> 00:02:08,911 Speaker 2: Couple Islands and Gunjaamara down in southwest Victoria my grandfather's country. Yeah. 33 00:02:08,951 --> 00:02:11,431 Speaker 2: So I own a company called You're Late. We're a 34 00:02:11,831 --> 00:02:15,231 Speaker 2: one hundred percent Indigenous owned and one hundred percent Indigenous 35 00:02:15,231 --> 00:02:18,911 Speaker 2: operated which we're very proud of, apparel promotions and signage 36 00:02:18,951 --> 00:02:22,311 Speaker 2: company based right here in Brisy and have been operating 37 00:02:22,351 --> 00:02:26,271 Speaker 2: now for just over five years. So yeah, we're taking along. 38 00:02:26,351 --> 00:02:29,271 Speaker 2: It's it's gone pretty good. But yeah, like you said, 39 00:02:29,311 --> 00:02:31,711 Speaker 2: we've been doing stuff with Black Card and the crew 40 00:02:31,751 --> 00:02:34,671 Speaker 2: there as well for a while now and yeah, really 41 00:02:34,671 --> 00:02:36,391 Speaker 2: appreciate the sport dad Lee. 42 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:39,151 Speaker 1: And you've had an amazing family. You cannot forget about 43 00:02:39,191 --> 00:02:43,991 Speaker 1: your beautiful wife, my sister girl Carole, and your kids. 44 00:02:44,551 --> 00:02:47,031 Speaker 1: So you're a family man. You've got a lot of 45 00:02:47,111 --> 00:02:50,871 Speaker 1: responsibilities with running a business and raising a family. 46 00:02:51,351 --> 00:02:54,231 Speaker 3: Yes, we're a busy wife. Yes. Can you share with 47 00:02:54,351 --> 00:02:54,711 Speaker 3: us a. 48 00:02:54,751 --> 00:02:58,031 Speaker 1: Little bit about that part of the life in business, 49 00:02:58,071 --> 00:02:59,991 Speaker 1: the craziness but the fun stuff. 50 00:03:00,271 --> 00:03:03,151 Speaker 2: Yeah, so pretty much. My partner is as you said, 51 00:03:03,191 --> 00:03:07,671 Speaker 2: caroly Phillips, proud, yeah, and bungelung woman. You know, raised 52 00:03:07,791 --> 00:03:10,631 Speaker 2: born in Coughs, raised in Grafton and and come up 53 00:03:10,671 --> 00:03:12,951 Speaker 2: to here. And obviously you's got family ties as well, 54 00:03:12,951 --> 00:03:16,871 Speaker 2: so that's that's deadly. Yeah, she's she's she's very busy, 55 00:03:16,951 --> 00:03:20,951 Speaker 2: you know, by trade. She's qualified oral health, high genius, 56 00:03:21,431 --> 00:03:25,231 Speaker 2: you know, working kids dental. So she's been qualified there, 57 00:03:25,271 --> 00:03:27,911 Speaker 2: you know, worked with the Institute for Ages and Deadly 58 00:03:28,031 --> 00:03:30,111 Speaker 2: Choices and stuff like that, and went to the private 59 00:03:30,151 --> 00:03:32,271 Speaker 2: sector for a bit and you know now she helps 60 00:03:32,271 --> 00:03:35,991 Speaker 2: out with Aida Australian Dental Association and the A d C. 61 00:03:36,151 --> 00:03:39,831 Speaker 2: Strain Dental. She's over at the university at the moment UQ. 62 00:03:40,071 --> 00:03:43,631 Speaker 2: She's there today. Yeah, she she helps out with some 63 00:03:43,711 --> 00:03:48,071 Speaker 2: lettering stuff there and obviously you know she she's still 64 00:03:48,071 --> 00:03:50,351 Speaker 2: playing her soccer and stuff as well at an NPL level, 65 00:03:50,471 --> 00:03:53,591 Speaker 2: so she's busy there training and you know she she 66 00:03:53,751 --> 00:03:57,471 Speaker 2: formerly was the captain of the Indigenous Australian side the 67 00:03:57,591 --> 00:04:01,031 Speaker 2: last few years, so you know she's she's been around 68 00:04:01,071 --> 00:04:03,111 Speaker 2: the circuit. She's we're both busy and like you said, 69 00:04:03,111 --> 00:04:06,511 Speaker 2: we have three gundus. You know, one boys, he's just 70 00:04:06,551 --> 00:04:07,511 Speaker 2: turned eleven. 71 00:04:08,431 --> 00:04:10,271 Speaker 3: Corby big shout out, dear Corbyn. 72 00:04:10,471 --> 00:04:13,311 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I ya, your sister's got the twins, the 73 00:04:13,351 --> 00:04:17,391 Speaker 2: identical twins, Kor and Sage. So they both just turned 74 00:04:17,391 --> 00:04:19,951 Speaker 2: seven at the back end of last year. So call 75 00:04:19,991 --> 00:04:21,591 Speaker 2: them the little bosses they are? 76 00:04:21,951 --> 00:04:24,071 Speaker 3: Are they little women? Big women? Yeah? 77 00:04:24,191 --> 00:04:26,671 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love to have a yarn and 78 00:04:26,671 --> 00:04:31,871 Speaker 2: they'll let you know too. So yeah, no, it's very busy. Obviously, 79 00:04:31,911 --> 00:04:34,871 Speaker 2: you lays one of my businesses which will touch on today. Yeah, 80 00:04:34,871 --> 00:04:37,791 Speaker 2: but obviously I have always I've got three kids and 81 00:04:37,791 --> 00:04:40,031 Speaker 2: I have three businesses as well, so one for each child. 82 00:04:41,111 --> 00:04:44,671 Speaker 2: We also have gunder range and support services with my 83 00:04:44,751 --> 00:04:45,911 Speaker 2: sister in law Natasha. 84 00:04:45,991 --> 00:04:48,471 Speaker 3: Yes, big shout out to you my sister. 85 00:04:48,391 --> 00:04:54,071 Speaker 2: Yeah Natasha and obviously Gambar workforce recruitment with my older 86 00:04:54,111 --> 00:04:54,911 Speaker 2: sister Yasmin. 87 00:04:55,151 --> 00:04:59,751 Speaker 1: So Yeah, this is this is crazy in terms of 88 00:05:00,591 --> 00:05:03,151 Speaker 1: operating like I've got black card and we do know 89 00:05:03,151 --> 00:05:06,071 Speaker 1: a bit of try a consulting, tourism, podcasting, that kind of. 90 00:05:06,551 --> 00:05:08,911 Speaker 1: Most of the time it comes under one umbrella. You've 91 00:05:08,951 --> 00:05:11,671 Speaker 1: got a business partner here, a business partner there, then 92 00:05:11,711 --> 00:05:12,991 Speaker 1: you've got your own business. 93 00:05:13,551 --> 00:05:15,071 Speaker 3: Then you across these other three. 94 00:05:15,751 --> 00:05:19,791 Speaker 1: How how did you get into business? Like what was 95 00:05:19,831 --> 00:05:23,551 Speaker 1: it for you that led you down this pathway of 96 00:05:23,591 --> 00:05:25,391 Speaker 1: being a business owner and an entrepreneur? 97 00:05:26,071 --> 00:05:29,831 Speaker 2: Yeah, so would have started back in my AFL days. 98 00:05:29,871 --> 00:05:32,391 Speaker 2: I used to run all the indigenous programs for AFL 99 00:05:32,471 --> 00:05:36,231 Speaker 2: Queensland across Queensland and northern New South Wales. They taught 100 00:05:36,231 --> 00:05:38,631 Speaker 2: me a lot. There was fantastic picking up the skills, 101 00:05:38,911 --> 00:05:41,911 Speaker 2: you know, just from everything from email writing to phone 102 00:05:41,911 --> 00:05:44,751 Speaker 2: calls and having the confidence to speak to absolutely random 103 00:05:44,791 --> 00:05:50,031 Speaker 2: people about stuff, which is fantastic. Picked up the skills there. 104 00:05:50,671 --> 00:05:52,991 Speaker 2: Prior to this, I've also worked for the Cape York 105 00:05:53,071 --> 00:05:55,351 Speaker 2: Leaders program in Cape Your Partnership so ig'ned an old 106 00:05:55,391 --> 00:05:58,631 Speaker 2: Pearson looking after kids from the Cape coming down to 107 00:05:58,671 --> 00:06:00,831 Speaker 2: boarding schools. So that was in Brisbane and Rocky So 108 00:06:00,871 --> 00:06:02,711 Speaker 2: I had about eighty kids at the time that I 109 00:06:02,791 --> 00:06:06,271 Speaker 2: look after. Pretty pretty intense for them young follows, you know, 110 00:06:06,391 --> 00:06:09,751 Speaker 2: moving from community and coming down here for the first time. 111 00:06:09,751 --> 00:06:12,671 Speaker 2: A lot of them never have left community before, so 112 00:06:12,671 --> 00:06:14,791 Speaker 2: they come down to a boarding school one of the 113 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:16,591 Speaker 2: biggest in Queensland for instance, you know, a lot of 114 00:06:16,631 --> 00:06:19,431 Speaker 2: them are the big ones. Yeah, that was a good 115 00:06:19,511 --> 00:06:21,951 Speaker 2: learning curve, dealing with families, trying to be that you know, 116 00:06:22,071 --> 00:06:25,511 Speaker 2: the medium between the school which is very old school, yes, 117 00:06:25,871 --> 00:06:26,511 Speaker 2: very colonial. 118 00:06:27,031 --> 00:06:32,031 Speaker 1: It's like the broker like interpreter and trying to navigate 119 00:06:32,071 --> 00:06:35,351 Speaker 1: these two very different worlds exactly for these young kids 120 00:06:36,231 --> 00:06:39,911 Speaker 1: that have probably never left their communities and remote communities 121 00:06:39,911 --> 00:06:42,111 Speaker 1: in their life, never been on a plane, yeah, exactly, 122 00:06:42,111 --> 00:06:46,111 Speaker 1: and then they've got to navigate these you know, education 123 00:06:46,991 --> 00:06:51,831 Speaker 1: higher education kind of their private school system is very 124 00:06:51,831 --> 00:06:55,351 Speaker 1: different to just go on to Kelvin Grove College. 125 00:06:55,391 --> 00:06:56,591 Speaker 3: You're going to your own high. 126 00:06:56,511 --> 00:06:58,231 Speaker 2: And for a lot of people that probably don't understand 127 00:06:58,271 --> 00:07:01,191 Speaker 2: the reason these kids come down to these boarding schools 128 00:07:01,271 --> 00:07:03,791 Speaker 2: is because they actually don't have any high schools in 129 00:07:03,831 --> 00:07:05,431 Speaker 2: their community. You know what I mean? 130 00:07:05,511 --> 00:07:07,951 Speaker 3: This is the only oppny, this is it. 131 00:07:08,151 --> 00:07:10,271 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, so a. 132 00:07:10,271 --> 00:07:12,751 Speaker 1: Lot of them there's no other option. If they want 133 00:07:12,751 --> 00:07:16,311 Speaker 1: to continue education, they have to leave their community exactly. 134 00:07:16,511 --> 00:07:18,791 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And of course a lot of them might 135 00:07:18,831 --> 00:07:21,031 Speaker 2: have family and cans and that they take that opportunity 136 00:07:21,071 --> 00:07:24,191 Speaker 2: in Kennes or Townsville still close to home, and the 137 00:07:24,271 --> 00:07:27,111 Speaker 2: program still had kids on boarding schools in those areas 138 00:07:27,151 --> 00:07:29,591 Speaker 2: as well. But you know, so that that was a 139 00:07:29,631 --> 00:07:33,511 Speaker 2: great learning curve for me. From there, I then launched 140 00:07:33,591 --> 00:07:36,071 Speaker 2: my own personal training. So we used to train yourselves 141 00:07:36,111 --> 00:07:37,831 Speaker 2: and you know, the family used to come along, and 142 00:07:37,871 --> 00:07:40,471 Speaker 2: a lot of the crew from Murray Country, yeah you 143 00:07:40,511 --> 00:07:42,831 Speaker 2: know over there. Triple A now used to come along, 144 00:07:42,911 --> 00:07:45,791 Speaker 2: and Clint used to come as well. Yeah yeah, so 145 00:07:45,831 --> 00:07:47,391 Speaker 2: I remember all he is coming along and we used 146 00:07:47,431 --> 00:07:49,551 Speaker 2: to run boot camps and all that for the mob. 147 00:07:50,111 --> 00:07:52,071 Speaker 2: That was my first kind of taste at running my 148 00:07:52,111 --> 00:07:54,951 Speaker 2: own business, yeah, you know, and training out of a 149 00:07:54,951 --> 00:07:58,791 Speaker 2: gym and getting used to invoicing and marketing and all 150 00:07:58,831 --> 00:08:02,991 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, which was fantastic. I then transitioned. 151 00:08:03,071 --> 00:08:05,071 Speaker 2: I was a business developer at another one of my 152 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:08,911 Speaker 2: competitors now in the indigenous baerrel space. You know, it 153 00:08:08,991 --> 00:08:10,511 Speaker 2: was great there. I had to go to them to 154 00:08:10,591 --> 00:08:12,591 Speaker 2: kind of learn the knowledge. I always had that background, 155 00:08:12,631 --> 00:08:13,911 Speaker 2: you know, I did a bit of modeling and I 156 00:08:13,951 --> 00:08:16,431 Speaker 2: was always in the fashion side of things and all 157 00:08:16,471 --> 00:08:18,111 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So it was great to pick 158 00:08:18,191 --> 00:08:20,991 Speaker 2: up how things are made, what kind of stitch account 159 00:08:21,071 --> 00:08:24,231 Speaker 2: and fabric so in depth what I do with my products. 160 00:08:24,231 --> 00:08:25,511 Speaker 2: And I feel like that that's why a lot of 161 00:08:25,551 --> 00:08:28,191 Speaker 2: our clients like our products is because it's not just 162 00:08:28,391 --> 00:08:30,911 Speaker 2: off the shelf kind of one and get the best 163 00:08:30,911 --> 00:08:34,431 Speaker 2: price and all that. We like to offer quality, you 164 00:08:34,471 --> 00:08:36,791 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So we go through our garments, 165 00:08:36,831 --> 00:08:38,591 Speaker 2: you'll come through. We've got swatched, we got the whole 166 00:08:38,631 --> 00:08:40,791 Speaker 2: lot ready to go, you know, we'll make samples and stuff. 167 00:08:40,831 --> 00:08:43,351 Speaker 2: So I think being in that space and that's where 168 00:08:43,351 --> 00:08:45,311 Speaker 2: I learned up a lot of the tools from those 169 00:08:45,351 --> 00:08:48,591 Speaker 2: crew to then go out and went hey, the reason 170 00:08:48,591 --> 00:08:50,671 Speaker 2: and to come back to your question, the reason I 171 00:08:50,791 --> 00:08:53,231 Speaker 2: kind of went into the space was and like a 172 00:08:53,231 --> 00:08:56,191 Speaker 2: lot of our your family, my family, my MSUs family, 173 00:08:57,191 --> 00:09:00,271 Speaker 2: a lot of our families don't have any generational wealth whatsoever. 174 00:09:00,471 --> 00:09:03,271 Speaker 2: You know, both my parents are battler's you know, come 175 00:09:03,271 --> 00:09:06,871 Speaker 2: from some community town Harvey Bay, moved down to Brisbane 176 00:09:06,911 --> 00:09:08,831 Speaker 2: to give their kids a better opportunity, you know, gave 177 00:09:08,911 --> 00:09:12,511 Speaker 2: us that platform, me and my sisters, my brothers. You know, 178 00:09:12,551 --> 00:09:14,631 Speaker 2: we've then taken that platform together to the next level 179 00:09:14,911 --> 00:09:17,071 Speaker 2: and then my ideas, you know, to set up these 180 00:09:17,111 --> 00:09:20,591 Speaker 2: businesses now where then my children have full rain when 181 00:09:20,591 --> 00:09:22,031 Speaker 2: they want to come in, they don't have to do 182 00:09:22,071 --> 00:09:24,911 Speaker 2: the exact same work. Powerl might not interest them at all, 183 00:09:25,191 --> 00:09:26,791 Speaker 2: but at least they've got a platform to kind of 184 00:09:26,871 --> 00:09:28,911 Speaker 2: jump off and launch whatever they need to. 185 00:09:29,071 --> 00:09:31,551 Speaker 3: But they've also been immersed. 186 00:09:31,311 --> 00:09:34,351 Speaker 2: Definitely, And I guess they also see all the hard work, 187 00:09:34,551 --> 00:09:37,191 Speaker 2: that's exactly it. They see the tears, they see the and. 188 00:09:37,151 --> 00:09:40,591 Speaker 3: The long nights and when you're not home away mum's away. 189 00:09:40,791 --> 00:09:43,551 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know because me more Curly is obviously very 190 00:09:43,551 --> 00:09:45,831 Speaker 2: committed to her stuff as well. And she just finished 191 00:09:45,831 --> 00:09:47,831 Speaker 2: managing I should have mentioned, you know, the Brisbane Raw 192 00:09:47,871 --> 00:09:51,311 Speaker 2: women's side, so you know she's managing it months or so. Yeah, 193 00:09:51,431 --> 00:09:53,151 Speaker 2: well what's it called football operation? 194 00:09:53,271 --> 00:09:54,831 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, But she's right in there. 195 00:09:54,871 --> 00:09:57,271 Speaker 2: It's like battling with the team, making sure the flights 196 00:09:57,311 --> 00:10:01,111 Speaker 2: and uniforms already massive. So she did that for the 197 00:10:01,191 --> 00:10:03,631 Speaker 2: last six or seven months. So that was a bit crazy. 198 00:10:03,751 --> 00:10:06,911 Speaker 2: He juggling at all, and obviously you know that's time 199 00:10:06,951 --> 00:10:08,751 Speaker 2: for her away from the kids. But they see that effort, 200 00:10:09,071 --> 00:10:11,311 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And that's where I think 201 00:10:11,431 --> 00:10:13,751 Speaker 2: that's what's helped me over the years. Is I always 202 00:10:13,751 --> 00:10:15,471 Speaker 2: say I'm a bit more of an old school hustler, 203 00:10:16,151 --> 00:10:17,351 Speaker 2: just get what needs to be done. 204 00:10:17,751 --> 00:10:18,031 Speaker 3: Yeah. 205 00:10:18,111 --> 00:10:20,511 Speaker 2: The worst I've always said, and I say to my team, 206 00:10:21,191 --> 00:10:22,671 Speaker 2: you know who might be a bit shame, you know, 207 00:10:22,711 --> 00:10:25,831 Speaker 2: trying to teach him those things is you know, no 208 00:10:25,871 --> 00:10:28,871 Speaker 2: matter you're cold calling, whatever it is, worse the client 209 00:10:28,911 --> 00:10:31,111 Speaker 2: can say is no or they just don't. 210 00:10:30,951 --> 00:10:32,111 Speaker 3: Get back to you exactly. 211 00:10:32,311 --> 00:10:34,271 Speaker 2: Just keep moving, you know what I mean. Don't dwell 212 00:10:34,271 --> 00:10:37,151 Speaker 2: on it, don't relax like learn from it. Okay, sweet, 213 00:10:37,151 --> 00:10:40,151 Speaker 2: they give you some advice back or whatever, take it 214 00:10:40,191 --> 00:10:42,111 Speaker 2: on board, but you know you've got to keep it. 215 00:10:48,831 --> 00:10:53,711 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, it's either running a business. 216 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:55,511 Speaker 3: Risk, right, how do you manage risk? 217 00:10:55,631 --> 00:10:58,391 Speaker 1: Especially growing the business and now having multiple businesses? 218 00:10:59,951 --> 00:11:01,911 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hard one. 219 00:11:02,151 --> 00:11:02,751 Speaker 3: Yeah. 220 00:11:02,871 --> 00:11:05,351 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then a lot of these big organizations and 221 00:11:05,471 --> 00:11:07,871 Speaker 1: we procure us and we procure or we go in 222 00:11:07,951 --> 00:11:11,751 Speaker 1: for tenders, they ask you all these risk questions and 223 00:11:11,951 --> 00:11:15,511 Speaker 1: about your cybersecurity, where's the information stalled? 224 00:11:15,591 --> 00:11:17,631 Speaker 3: Do you get all of that stuff when you come 225 00:11:17,791 --> 00:11:18,591 Speaker 3: for big business. 226 00:11:18,671 --> 00:11:22,831 Speaker 2: Definitely yes, because we were supplying a product. So sometimes 227 00:11:22,831 --> 00:11:25,431 Speaker 2: I find we're even depending on who it is we 228 00:11:25,471 --> 00:11:28,111 Speaker 2: fall under, you know, we get asked all these other questions. 229 00:11:27,751 --> 00:11:31,151 Speaker 3: With stuff slavery, the Modern Slavery Act, and. 230 00:11:31,031 --> 00:11:33,551 Speaker 2: Yeah, we tick all those because obviously we've done the 231 00:11:33,551 --> 00:11:36,711 Speaker 2: big ordering process and obviously we supply some Tier one 232 00:11:36,831 --> 00:11:38,951 Speaker 2: so naturally, you know, we have to make sure that 233 00:11:39,191 --> 00:11:42,911 Speaker 2: we get ordered it every three months, sure that you know, 234 00:11:43,111 --> 00:11:44,031 Speaker 2: everything's on board. 235 00:11:44,031 --> 00:11:47,191 Speaker 1: And even now the ethical ethical practicing or buying. 236 00:11:47,391 --> 00:11:50,071 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we have both. We offer a strain 237 00:11:50,151 --> 00:11:52,391 Speaker 2: made right here in Southeast Queensland as well, so obviously 238 00:11:52,431 --> 00:11:55,911 Speaker 2: they get ordered and then our offshore to also supply 239 00:11:55,991 --> 00:12:00,631 Speaker 2: the appropriate paperwork, you know, unfortunate enough to off sure 240 00:12:00,871 --> 00:12:03,511 Speaker 2: do a lot of big international brands, so they get 241 00:12:03,871 --> 00:12:05,311 Speaker 2: to buy them as well, you know what I mean, 242 00:12:05,351 --> 00:12:08,671 Speaker 2: because they've got a reputation to of course. So yeah, 243 00:12:08,711 --> 00:12:11,471 Speaker 2: and that's just part and parcel of the business. Yeah, 244 00:12:11,471 --> 00:12:15,311 Speaker 2: obviously it's stressful. It's very stressful I think for you know, 245 00:12:15,391 --> 00:12:18,911 Speaker 2: young follows and that coming through trying to manage those 246 00:12:18,951 --> 00:12:23,911 Speaker 2: things and having the right people to waterboard ideas off. 247 00:12:24,671 --> 00:12:27,471 Speaker 2: Especially in the early days first year or two, you're 248 00:12:27,471 --> 00:12:29,631 Speaker 2: going to come alf, especially if you're just setting up 249 00:12:29,631 --> 00:12:32,831 Speaker 2: a business the first twelve months. Like they always say, 250 00:12:33,071 --> 00:12:34,911 Speaker 2: it's all cliche, is you know, if you get through 251 00:12:34,911 --> 00:12:39,231 Speaker 2: the first twelve months, you know you're pretty good. But yeah, 252 00:12:39,391 --> 00:12:42,471 Speaker 2: I think the ones that survive aren't scared to ask 253 00:12:42,511 --> 00:12:45,351 Speaker 2: the questions or go to people for help, you know. 254 00:12:45,511 --> 00:12:47,471 Speaker 2: I feel like the ones that fall over try and 255 00:12:47,751 --> 00:12:50,511 Speaker 2: do it all themselves or think they can figure out 256 00:12:50,551 --> 00:12:53,791 Speaker 2: the solutions when sometimes you're spending too much time on 257 00:12:53,831 --> 00:12:55,751 Speaker 2: trying to figure it out when you can literally ask 258 00:12:55,751 --> 00:12:57,511 Speaker 2: someone who's probably already outsource. 259 00:12:57,751 --> 00:13:02,751 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not outsourcing, But there are people around us 260 00:13:02,871 --> 00:13:07,231 Speaker 1: as first Nations peoples and business owners that want us 261 00:13:07,271 --> 00:13:08,271 Speaker 1: to succeed. 262 00:13:09,111 --> 00:13:09,351 Speaker 3: Right. 263 00:13:09,391 --> 00:13:11,871 Speaker 1: There are people out there that want to do some 264 00:13:11,951 --> 00:13:15,311 Speaker 1: volunteering or want to do offer pro bono services to 265 00:13:15,391 --> 00:13:19,991 Speaker 1: help with marketing or comms or branding or even how 266 00:13:20,031 --> 00:13:24,271 Speaker 1: to use like LinkedIn for instance, to our advantage. What 267 00:13:24,311 --> 00:13:28,431 Speaker 1: would you in terms of advice to the younger generation, 268 00:13:28,671 --> 00:13:32,151 Speaker 1: the next generation of change makers. What advice would you 269 00:13:32,191 --> 00:13:35,671 Speaker 1: give to them about being in business, setting up a business, 270 00:13:36,671 --> 00:13:38,271 Speaker 1: work life ballots. 271 00:13:37,991 --> 00:13:40,831 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I guess just taking the leap, you know, 272 00:13:41,311 --> 00:13:44,231 Speaker 2: and again all the old cliches at the moment, but 273 00:13:45,351 --> 00:13:48,551 Speaker 2: you know, I would have been kicking myself. And I 274 00:13:48,591 --> 00:13:50,191 Speaker 2: said it at the time when I went out on 275 00:13:50,231 --> 00:13:52,791 Speaker 2: my own, I said, I think in a year, I thought, 276 00:13:52,991 --> 00:13:54,551 Speaker 2: you know, a year or two ahead, do I want 277 00:13:54,551 --> 00:13:56,831 Speaker 2: to continue where I am? And will I be happy 278 00:13:56,831 --> 00:13:59,511 Speaker 2: here in a couple of years. My girls weren't born 279 00:13:59,591 --> 00:14:01,751 Speaker 2: yet at the time, you know that they that were 280 00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:03,631 Speaker 2: just coming along. So I said, hey, I want to 281 00:14:03,711 --> 00:14:05,591 Speaker 2: try and set something up here. And the only way 282 00:14:05,591 --> 00:14:07,031 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it, you know, I'm putting in 283 00:14:07,031 --> 00:14:08,911 Speaker 2: the work. I'm putting in the hour is already to 284 00:14:08,951 --> 00:14:10,951 Speaker 2: develop the business when it was first set up with 285 00:14:10,991 --> 00:14:13,271 Speaker 2: a business partner. But I was like, no, I want 286 00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:14,111 Speaker 2: to go out on my own. 287 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:16,591 Speaker 1: What kind of hours we talking about? So these young 288 00:14:16,591 --> 00:14:18,271 Speaker 1: fellas understand what we're talking about. 289 00:14:18,311 --> 00:14:20,351 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of people 290 00:14:20,431 --> 00:14:24,031 Speaker 2: have that, you know, that dream of grandeur where they think, 291 00:14:24,151 --> 00:14:25,511 Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, I'll pick my own. 292 00:14:25,791 --> 00:14:27,511 Speaker 3: I'm going to launch their clothing brand. 293 00:14:27,551 --> 00:14:29,151 Speaker 2: I'm just going to do you know, I might just 294 00:14:29,231 --> 00:14:31,831 Speaker 2: have a morning tea and then I'll start at midday. 295 00:14:31,431 --> 00:14:36,071 Speaker 1: And from yeah, yeah, no bosses, no one looking at 296 00:14:36,231 --> 00:14:36,991 Speaker 1: over your shoulder. 297 00:14:37,071 --> 00:14:39,151 Speaker 2: That first twelve months, I guess when I went out 298 00:14:39,191 --> 00:14:41,151 Speaker 2: on my own. It was January twenty twenty as well, 299 00:14:41,431 --> 00:14:44,831 Speaker 2: so you know COVID. So COVID hit two months later. Wow, 300 00:14:44,871 --> 00:14:47,231 Speaker 2: So that was a bit crazy. I thought, yeah, let's go. 301 00:14:47,591 --> 00:14:49,711 Speaker 2: I think I'm good, you know, let's let's set it up. 302 00:14:49,751 --> 00:14:52,631 Speaker 2: And luckily Ki's mid more level headed. I got excited. 303 00:14:52,631 --> 00:14:55,071 Speaker 2: I get excited or used to get excited and go, yeah, 304 00:14:55,151 --> 00:14:56,871 Speaker 2: let's get an office and get all this. And if 305 00:14:56,911 --> 00:14:58,591 Speaker 2: I had done that, I would have fell over. Yeah, 306 00:14:58,671 --> 00:15:01,471 Speaker 2: of course I'd signed our twelve months lease to an 307 00:15:01,511 --> 00:15:04,631 Speaker 2: office somewhere and stuff like that. You know, settles me 308 00:15:04,671 --> 00:15:05,991 Speaker 2: down a little bit when I get excited. 309 00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:09,111 Speaker 1: You need that, don't you, someone else to just be 310 00:15:09,191 --> 00:15:12,471 Speaker 1: there to kind of keep your grounded. 311 00:15:13,511 --> 00:15:16,991 Speaker 3: Just stop and wait. Yeah, you're like me, We just 312 00:15:17,031 --> 00:15:18,111 Speaker 3: go straight in, don't it. 313 00:15:18,271 --> 00:15:21,151 Speaker 2: Let's go what do we need at first? Furniture? You 314 00:15:21,191 --> 00:15:24,191 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So that's good. You know, can 315 00:15:24,191 --> 00:15:26,271 Speaker 2: we operate from home for six months or so? Yeah, 316 00:15:26,351 --> 00:15:28,471 Speaker 2: oh yeah, we can, there's no issues. Yeah, I mean, 317 00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,311 Speaker 2: and for the first couple of years, that's where we operated, 318 00:15:30,511 --> 00:15:33,511 Speaker 2: you know, for the last first two three years. Actually yeah, 319 00:15:33,551 --> 00:15:36,271 Speaker 2: you know, we haven't one hundred boxes come, yeah, you 320 00:15:36,311 --> 00:15:36,791 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 321 00:15:36,751 --> 00:15:38,871 Speaker 3: Constantly taking up the living room, it's. 322 00:15:38,791 --> 00:15:41,671 Speaker 2: Room, the loud boxes, watching TV. Yeah like this, you 323 00:15:41,751 --> 00:15:43,991 Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, watching it's been there so 324 00:15:44,031 --> 00:15:45,671 Speaker 2: they see all that, you know what I mean, which 325 00:15:45,711 --> 00:15:49,151 Speaker 2: is fantastic. But to come back to my point, you know, 326 00:15:49,271 --> 00:15:53,671 Speaker 2: she she settled me down, which is fantastic, and that 327 00:15:53,791 --> 00:15:57,191 Speaker 2: kind of relaxed me and learning those early days, you know, 328 00:15:57,311 --> 00:16:00,791 Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty that was really hard because a 329 00:16:00,831 --> 00:16:03,991 Speaker 2: lot of people weren't buying apparel. Major thing was Vircial 330 00:16:04,591 --> 00:16:06,111 Speaker 2: apparel promotion signage. 331 00:16:07,031 --> 00:16:10,591 Speaker 1: So when we talk about apparel, the Murray School uniforms, 332 00:16:10,671 --> 00:16:14,831 Speaker 1: Medical Center uniforms, Murray Carnival, Curry, Knockout. 333 00:16:14,471 --> 00:16:16,471 Speaker 2: Wod Stuff, Hive Vis. 334 00:16:15,991 --> 00:16:17,591 Speaker 3: Everything, the whole lot, the whole lot. 335 00:16:17,791 --> 00:16:19,671 Speaker 2: And the beauty of our team is we know we've 336 00:16:19,671 --> 00:16:22,271 Speaker 2: got three sales routes, but we have two in house. 337 00:16:22,311 --> 00:16:25,671 Speaker 2: Indigenous Graphics artists. Okay that can design you full you know, 338 00:16:25,711 --> 00:16:27,671 Speaker 2: you can do a full custom artwork for you if 339 00:16:27,671 --> 00:16:30,271 Speaker 2: you want all the way through to you know, we 340 00:16:30,351 --> 00:16:32,831 Speaker 2: do aal the mock ups. We manufacture it. If you're 341 00:16:32,831 --> 00:16:34,791 Speaker 2: in Southeast Queensland, we'll deliver it to your door. 342 00:16:35,031 --> 00:16:35,751 Speaker 3: How good is that? 343 00:16:35,871 --> 00:16:38,271 Speaker 1: So for people that are listening to this yarn right 344 00:16:38,311 --> 00:16:42,271 Speaker 1: across the country or even around the world, how would 345 00:16:42,311 --> 00:16:44,911 Speaker 1: they normally engage with you? Is it just get on 346 00:16:44,911 --> 00:16:47,271 Speaker 1: an enter and get on the website? How do you 347 00:16:47,711 --> 00:16:50,071 Speaker 1: kind of what's your first point of contact normally through 348 00:16:50,111 --> 00:16:50,671 Speaker 1: the website. 349 00:16:50,711 --> 00:16:54,151 Speaker 2: Inquiry's We've got the inquiry page obviously on the website. 350 00:16:54,031 --> 00:16:58,231 Speaker 2: Yea ideally our main go to. But obviously we're very 351 00:16:58,311 --> 00:17:00,431 Speaker 2: active on the socials. A lot of people see a 352 00:17:00,431 --> 00:17:03,831 Speaker 2: lot of our stuff there on my LinkedIn, on you 353 00:17:03,991 --> 00:17:06,951 Speaker 2: Lay two point zero, on Instagram and on Facebook as well. 354 00:17:06,991 --> 00:17:08,871 Speaker 2: Obviously we post up all the stuff we're doing and 355 00:17:09,311 --> 00:17:12,031 Speaker 2: the different community groups or schools or sporting groups that 356 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,351 Speaker 2: we're working with. And you know, as a lot of 357 00:17:15,391 --> 00:17:19,631 Speaker 2: your viewers and listeners will be aware when you support 358 00:17:19,711 --> 00:17:24,871 Speaker 2: indigenous business, we're very proactive and then supporting the rest 359 00:17:24,871 --> 00:17:25,271 Speaker 2: of our. 360 00:17:25,151 --> 00:17:28,951 Speaker 1: Community and the artists. The artist that you're wearing a 361 00:17:29,031 --> 00:17:32,631 Speaker 1: design today. Yes, who's the artist behind that design? 362 00:17:32,791 --> 00:17:35,391 Speaker 2: Wonder Goury. So Amanda's from are in a country so 363 00:17:35,471 --> 00:17:38,111 Speaker 2: central Australias, he's out there right now. And Alice, so 364 00:17:38,471 --> 00:17:41,631 Speaker 2: that's her homeland. Amanda's Women of Us since the start, 365 00:17:41,871 --> 00:17:44,551 Speaker 2: so it's been fantastic work with wunder and now we're 366 00:17:44,951 --> 00:17:48,391 Speaker 2: actually the last two years we've had both her daughters 367 00:17:48,431 --> 00:17:50,991 Speaker 2: do a NDoc design. So last year was her oldest daughter. 368 00:17:51,391 --> 00:17:53,951 Speaker 2: This year is they've won below her the generations. 369 00:17:54,271 --> 00:17:55,791 Speaker 3: This is generation of wealth. 370 00:17:55,991 --> 00:17:58,311 Speaker 2: We want to keep that support going for them. Yes, 371 00:17:58,471 --> 00:18:02,271 Speaker 2: we're also we're hoping they get their gallery over the line. 372 00:18:02,591 --> 00:18:04,911 Speaker 2: Her and sisters are trying to launch gallery there at home, 373 00:18:04,991 --> 00:18:07,071 Speaker 2: so we're trying to get out behind them and support 374 00:18:07,071 --> 00:18:10,351 Speaker 2: them as much as possible as well. Yeah, we promote 375 00:18:10,351 --> 00:18:12,311 Speaker 2: our artists and try and get them in front of 376 00:18:12,311 --> 00:18:14,591 Speaker 2: a lot of corporates and stuff as well for commissions 377 00:18:14,671 --> 00:18:17,471 Speaker 2: or whatever kind of work they need. Artists that are 378 00:18:17,471 --> 00:18:19,111 Speaker 2: partner with us, we try and share as much of 379 00:18:19,151 --> 00:18:22,231 Speaker 2: those as possible and get their names out there as well. 380 00:18:22,311 --> 00:18:25,351 Speaker 2: Because obviously, when you support indigenous business, we support the 381 00:18:25,351 --> 00:18:27,591 Speaker 2: rest of our community a big thing with me and 382 00:18:27,951 --> 00:18:30,511 Speaker 2: lay was trying to bring the community along with me. 383 00:18:30,591 --> 00:18:33,551 Speaker 2: So that's even like our photographers, our models are all Indigenous. 384 00:18:34,391 --> 00:18:36,871 Speaker 2: Lewis now who's always been with us with our photography 385 00:18:36,911 --> 00:18:39,111 Speaker 2: as well. You know, he's the last twelve months now 386 00:18:39,111 --> 00:18:41,431 Speaker 2: he's been full time for his photography, you know what 387 00:18:41,431 --> 00:18:44,471 Speaker 2: I mean. I like to feel like we've been helped 388 00:18:44,511 --> 00:18:45,871 Speaker 2: him to get to that level. And a lot of 389 00:18:45,911 --> 00:18:48,271 Speaker 2: other Indigenous businesses have jumped on and used him as well, 390 00:18:48,271 --> 00:18:50,951 Speaker 2: which is fantastic. But shout out to him. You know, 391 00:18:51,031 --> 00:18:54,791 Speaker 2: he's a tradesman, you know, by trade he uses working 392 00:18:54,831 --> 00:18:57,711 Speaker 2: for some big corporates in that space, but now he's 393 00:18:57,751 --> 00:18:59,951 Speaker 2: gone out on his own with his passion of photography 394 00:19:00,591 --> 00:19:02,071 Speaker 2: and you know he's just I know, I just saw 395 00:19:02,151 --> 00:19:04,391 Speaker 2: him put it on LinkedIn. He's got his first twelve 396 00:19:04,391 --> 00:19:07,431 Speaker 2: months out by himself, which is fantastic and will continue 397 00:19:07,431 --> 00:19:10,151 Speaker 2: to support the brother boy. You know he's from up 398 00:19:10,151 --> 00:19:13,911 Speaker 2: there from Zenacas, Yeah, from Thursday Island, and I know 399 00:19:13,991 --> 00:19:15,151 Speaker 2: he goes up there a lot and he does a 400 00:19:15,191 --> 00:19:17,231 Speaker 2: lot with his obviously his local mob now as well. 401 00:19:17,271 --> 00:19:18,991 Speaker 2: You know he's flying up there doing stuff well, you know, 402 00:19:19,551 --> 00:19:21,471 Speaker 2: to a straight regional council and stuff like that. 403 00:19:21,751 --> 00:19:25,191 Speaker 1: Is it just deadly to see other mob succeed and 404 00:19:25,231 --> 00:19:28,911 Speaker 1: you know you've played even a small part in their 405 00:19:28,951 --> 00:19:33,031 Speaker 1: successor in their journey. In wrapping up this deadly out, 406 00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:34,391 Speaker 1: I want to keep you outing with you all day. 407 00:19:34,471 --> 00:19:35,871 Speaker 1: I just want to ask to my brother, how do 408 00:19:35,871 --> 00:19:41,711 Speaker 1: you stay connected to culture whilst running your business? How 409 00:19:41,751 --> 00:19:42,711 Speaker 1: do you stay connected? 410 00:19:43,431 --> 00:19:48,031 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's obviously when you're running a business. And like 411 00:19:48,071 --> 00:19:51,031 Speaker 2: we like MOB like to say, you know, we walk 412 00:19:51,071 --> 00:19:55,431 Speaker 2: in two worlds. It is a hard juggle obviously with 413 00:19:55,551 --> 00:19:58,551 Speaker 2: our kids at home and our lingo, especially our bunchel 414 00:19:58,551 --> 00:20:01,711 Speaker 2: of language nearly died off, so we're trying to bring 415 00:20:01,751 --> 00:20:03,991 Speaker 2: that back obviously, and at home we try use as 416 00:20:04,031 --> 00:20:07,391 Speaker 2: much lingo as we can when we're speaking at home. 417 00:20:07,471 --> 00:20:10,551 Speaker 2: But it's trying to be connected, you know. Obviously we 418 00:20:10,591 --> 00:20:12,191 Speaker 2: have family down here in Brisbane that we try and 419 00:20:12,191 --> 00:20:14,471 Speaker 2: catch up with as much as possible. I think it 420 00:20:14,511 --> 00:20:17,311 Speaker 2: also it starts a lot with family, those stories, you know, 421 00:20:17,791 --> 00:20:20,351 Speaker 2: white kids going oh which uncle is this? Which aunt 422 00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:23,631 Speaker 2: is this? Oh yeah that's your grandmother's sister thing, And 423 00:20:23,791 --> 00:20:26,631 Speaker 2: it's just knowing this timeline, who's what who We used 424 00:20:26,671 --> 00:20:28,711 Speaker 2: to hang out with all that kind of stuff. I 425 00:20:28,711 --> 00:20:31,671 Speaker 2: think that's you know, beneficial because then my kids go, oh, that's. 426 00:20:31,631 --> 00:20:34,351 Speaker 1: Cuz, yes, straight away they know who their mob is 427 00:20:34,391 --> 00:20:37,431 Speaker 1: and they can sit here confidently one day and yearn't 428 00:20:37,431 --> 00:20:39,911 Speaker 1: about their connections to their community. 429 00:20:40,151 --> 00:20:42,311 Speaker 2: I think just in the current climate that we're in 430 00:20:42,351 --> 00:20:44,911 Speaker 2: at the moment, and you know, I'm pretty vocal on it. 431 00:20:44,951 --> 00:20:47,111 Speaker 2: You probably see on my socials in regards to like, 432 00:20:47,151 --> 00:20:50,031 Speaker 2: you know, the black clatting and even what I like 433 00:20:50,071 --> 00:20:52,351 Speaker 2: to call them is the cultural fraudsters at the moment. 434 00:20:52,431 --> 00:20:55,311 Speaker 2: You know that I found it and respectful people on 435 00:20:55,311 --> 00:20:58,631 Speaker 2: their journey if you're on your journey, but I feel 436 00:20:58,671 --> 00:20:59,711 Speaker 2: like a lot of people. 437 00:20:59,431 --> 00:21:02,271 Speaker 3: You know, they do it, are taking advantage. 438 00:21:01,711 --> 00:21:05,151 Speaker 2: DNA test or something. They find out there's something heritage there. 439 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:06,311 Speaker 3: And how do they capitalize on it. 440 00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:10,551 Speaker 2: In fact, they automatically have now got on Indigenous own business, 441 00:21:11,151 --> 00:21:13,191 Speaker 2: but haven't even actually started their journey. 442 00:21:13,271 --> 00:21:15,351 Speaker 3: They haven't they don't have the lived experience. 443 00:21:15,511 --> 00:21:16,231 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 444 00:21:16,311 --> 00:21:20,071 Speaker 1: So that's a challenge for us as First Nations business owners, 445 00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:23,911 Speaker 1: and it's also a challenge for the government who have 446 00:21:24,031 --> 00:21:28,471 Speaker 1: got the IPP mandated these legislations supply nation We've got 447 00:21:28,471 --> 00:21:32,031 Speaker 1: all these different players, and I know it's on the 448 00:21:32,071 --> 00:21:35,551 Speaker 1: top of their priority list to try and crack down 449 00:21:35,631 --> 00:21:38,591 Speaker 1: on black platting. It's a really good yard and I'm 450 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:40,511 Speaker 1: going to make sure that there are some links in 451 00:21:40,711 --> 00:21:45,751 Speaker 1: these show notes for people to either listen to other podcasts, 452 00:21:45,951 --> 00:21:48,431 Speaker 1: read some books, or to find out more so they 453 00:21:48,471 --> 00:21:52,991 Speaker 1: can understand and make the right decision on who they're 454 00:21:52,991 --> 00:21:56,671 Speaker 1: doing business with and if it's an Indigenous or First 455 00:21:56,751 --> 00:22:01,471 Speaker 1: Nation's business that's genuine or authentic and how do you 456 00:22:01,591 --> 00:22:04,391 Speaker 1: know the difference. It's what we started with today. My brother, 457 00:22:05,191 --> 00:22:07,871 Speaker 1: who are you? Where's your mob? And where do you 458 00:22:07,911 --> 00:22:12,431 Speaker 1: belong as a whether you're Indigenous or non indigenous, and 459 00:22:12,471 --> 00:22:18,031 Speaker 1: you are looking to grow your indigenous supply chain or 460 00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:23,391 Speaker 1: diversify your spend with more Indigenous businesses, Please reach out 461 00:22:23,471 --> 00:22:27,031 Speaker 1: to Jesse, especially just having a yarn, build a relationship, 462 00:22:27,071 --> 00:22:29,791 Speaker 1: make these connections. We might not have something for you 463 00:22:29,951 --> 00:22:32,751 Speaker 1: right now, but I'm sure there's someone within our community 464 00:22:33,111 --> 00:22:35,631 Speaker 1: that would be able to help. So we are about 465 00:22:35,631 --> 00:22:38,551 Speaker 1: supporting each other. We are you know, blackfellows are a 466 00:22:38,591 --> 00:22:44,031 Speaker 1: collective and the competitivenessness, the competitiveness, I'm trying to say 467 00:22:44,071 --> 00:22:46,431 Speaker 1: these big words. Now you find that a lot of 468 00:22:46,511 --> 00:22:51,431 Speaker 1: us are not as competitive. We work together, So how 469 00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:54,591 Speaker 1: do we support a lot of the non indigenous businesses 470 00:22:54,631 --> 00:22:58,191 Speaker 1: now to understand some of the challenges, And this podcast 471 00:22:58,231 --> 00:23:03,031 Speaker 1: is an opportunity for people to start thinking has that happened? 472 00:23:03,431 --> 00:23:05,711 Speaker 1: And what would I do if I'm in that position? 473 00:23:06,031 --> 00:23:08,551 Speaker 2: And the future and like you said, how we start 474 00:23:08,951 --> 00:23:13,351 Speaker 2: this whole conversation is very key. I feel like people 475 00:23:13,911 --> 00:23:15,871 Speaker 2: who are still reconnecting with their MOB and NAT are 476 00:23:15,951 --> 00:23:18,231 Speaker 2: using it as a weapon and going, oh, you're asking 477 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:19,511 Speaker 2: me these questions. 478 00:23:19,191 --> 00:23:20,951 Speaker 3: And it's it's not that at all. 479 00:23:21,071 --> 00:23:24,311 Speaker 2: It's been converted into oh, that's you. 480 00:23:24,271 --> 00:23:27,711 Speaker 3: Know, lateral violence, whereas. 481 00:23:27,191 --> 00:23:28,871 Speaker 2: It's actually cultural protocol. 482 00:23:28,951 --> 00:23:30,591 Speaker 3: It's culture protocol, so we know. 483 00:23:30,551 --> 00:23:32,711 Speaker 2: Who's related, or we might know family, or you actually 484 00:23:32,791 --> 00:23:34,631 Speaker 2: might be cousin. I mean, if it's in a relation. 485 00:23:34,711 --> 00:23:37,311 Speaker 3: This is the way we've been operating exactly. 486 00:23:37,431 --> 00:23:39,471 Speaker 2: Our mom w A can say their last name and 487 00:23:39,911 --> 00:23:43,791 Speaker 2: do you know uncle, yes, met is, yes, you know 488 00:23:43,831 --> 00:23:46,351 Speaker 2: what I mean. That's how that's cultural produce. That's culture 489 00:23:46,391 --> 00:23:50,591 Speaker 2: protocol from violence whatsoever. And I find any corporates that 490 00:23:50,671 --> 00:23:54,111 Speaker 2: ask those questions to actual genuine mob who have connection 491 00:23:54,191 --> 00:23:57,271 Speaker 2: in their community, because the whole idea of us running 492 00:23:57,271 --> 00:23:59,271 Speaker 2: businesses is giving back to our community. 493 00:23:58,951 --> 00:24:02,511 Speaker 3: Of course, you know, not taking from community. 494 00:24:02,151 --> 00:24:03,911 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You're not taking and then 495 00:24:03,951 --> 00:24:07,751 Speaker 2: going oh, yeah, no, I'll support this big program over 496 00:24:07,791 --> 00:24:10,351 Speaker 2: here that doesn't really need your endorsement, you know what 497 00:24:10,431 --> 00:24:13,071 Speaker 2: I mean. Like we try to give to men's groups, 498 00:24:13,471 --> 00:24:16,031 Speaker 2: women's shelters and stuff like that where we know it's. 499 00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:17,791 Speaker 3: Actually tanger going to make a difference. 500 00:24:18,151 --> 00:24:19,751 Speaker 2: And you'll see that when you go to the events 501 00:24:19,751 --> 00:24:21,751 Speaker 2: that we are at and the mob that we're connected with, 502 00:24:21,951 --> 00:24:26,351 Speaker 2: and especially in the Brizzy community, if you're unsure as well, 503 00:24:26,391 --> 00:24:28,351 Speaker 2: when you're rocking up at a Supply Nation event or that, 504 00:24:28,671 --> 00:24:30,911 Speaker 2: you'll see the mob that know more that it would 505 00:24:30,911 --> 00:24:35,991 Speaker 2: be the loudest in the room, and it is nice 506 00:24:35,991 --> 00:24:38,751 Speaker 2: and loud, but that's just how we are when we're 507 00:24:38,751 --> 00:24:41,191 Speaker 2: around each other, and you know those and hey, like 508 00:24:41,231 --> 00:24:44,071 Speaker 2: I said, respectful people's journey, but I feel like a 509 00:24:44,071 --> 00:24:46,031 Speaker 2: lot of people in the space at the moment aren't 510 00:24:46,071 --> 00:24:48,311 Speaker 2: actually doing the journey, yeah. 511 00:24:48,271 --> 00:24:50,951 Speaker 3: And they're just doing it for the wrong reasons exactly. 512 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:53,471 Speaker 2: And I think this was an issue over in North America, 513 00:24:53,831 --> 00:24:56,831 Speaker 2: especially in Canada, and stuff where they've said, hey, okay, 514 00:24:56,831 --> 00:24:59,631 Speaker 2: if you're found out later in life that you have 515 00:24:59,711 --> 00:25:03,191 Speaker 2: indigenous ancestry, you need to spend at least you know, 516 00:25:03,631 --> 00:25:06,431 Speaker 2: dead in your community, giving back and learning your roots 517 00:25:06,431 --> 00:25:08,391 Speaker 2: and all this before you even set up a business 518 00:25:08,831 --> 00:25:10,431 Speaker 2: or try and do anything in India, so. 519 00:25:10,351 --> 00:25:12,871 Speaker 3: We could learn from other mobs from around the world. 520 00:25:13,031 --> 00:25:13,511 Speaker 2: Exactly. 521 00:25:13,511 --> 00:25:14,871 Speaker 3: There are other examples that. 522 00:25:14,791 --> 00:25:17,231 Speaker 1: We can look at and then think about how are 523 00:25:17,231 --> 00:25:20,031 Speaker 1: we going to do things better in this country when 524 00:25:20,071 --> 00:25:22,191 Speaker 1: we think about future generations as well. 525 00:25:22,351 --> 00:25:25,631 Speaker 2: Exactly. I feel like now the next five years is 526 00:25:25,751 --> 00:25:29,271 Speaker 2: very important coming in Australia and Brizzy in particular is 527 00:25:29,311 --> 00:25:31,391 Speaker 2: going to be in the spotlight twenty and thirty two, 528 00:25:31,431 --> 00:25:34,031 Speaker 2: you know, if the Olympics coming. So it's making sure 529 00:25:34,111 --> 00:25:36,751 Speaker 2: that you know, because hey, the next gen is going 530 00:25:36,831 --> 00:25:39,311 Speaker 2: to be the ones that suffer even more and then 531 00:25:39,311 --> 00:25:41,791 Speaker 2: we're going to have those disconnects and we're seeing stories 532 00:25:41,831 --> 00:25:44,671 Speaker 2: on socials and that now people doing the wrong cultural 533 00:25:44,671 --> 00:25:48,671 Speaker 2: protocol things even around our customs with yitti keys and 534 00:25:48,671 --> 00:25:51,551 Speaker 2: stuff like this, and female playing it and stuff and 535 00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:52,551 Speaker 2: teaching it in schools. 536 00:25:52,631 --> 00:25:56,711 Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, man, Yeah, we need to just we 537 00:25:56,791 --> 00:25:59,031 Speaker 1: have to call it out and I love the way 538 00:25:59,151 --> 00:26:01,991 Speaker 1: that you said that in a respectful way. Yeah, deadly 539 00:26:02,871 --> 00:26:06,311 Speaker 1: So look, I mean so, I'm like thinking of a 540 00:26:06,351 --> 00:26:09,631 Speaker 1: million other things we can yearn about, but I'm sure 541 00:26:09,631 --> 00:26:12,951 Speaker 1: we're gonna have another opportunity to talk about, especially the 542 00:26:13,071 --> 00:26:16,831 Speaker 1: NDIS business that you've launched from Natasha tash Haart. Wait 543 00:26:16,951 --> 00:26:20,711 Speaker 1: to see you behind this desk on the microphone yarning 544 00:26:20,751 --> 00:26:24,231 Speaker 1: about the other businesses. But brother, it's been absolute pleasure 545 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:27,711 Speaker 1: to have you part of the NRMA series. 546 00:26:27,751 --> 00:26:29,711 Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thanks for having me. 547 00:26:29,711 --> 00:26:31,151 Speaker 3: Susy. Keep up the good work. 548 00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:33,631 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll keep going and we'll definitely be yon for 549 00:26:33,671 --> 00:26:36,791 Speaker 2: sure daily. Thank you. 550 00:26:38,471 --> 00:26:41,911 Speaker 1: If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit 551 00:26:41,951 --> 00:26:46,791 Speaker 1: our show notes in the episode description. 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