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Speaker 1: Put on your dance and shit, don't give me your

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Speaker 1: best shots. And the.

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Speaker 2: Deputy editor of the Daily Ozma Leesb is here. Hello, Well,

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Speaker 2: another day, another toxic workplace to talk about, this time

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon the host of the Tonight Show, and he's

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Speaker 2: apologized to his staff after allegations of a toxic workplace.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon, in case you don't know, host of the

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Speaker 2: Tonight Show, comedian, he's hosted many of the oscars, He's

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Speaker 2: dabbled in a little bit of acting.

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Speaker 1: Talented Saturday Night Live for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he's very much got that reputation as very funny,

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Speaker 2: nice guy of Hollywood grad at interviewing the stars, but

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Speaker 2: apparently not a great boss.

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Speaker 1: What does toxic workplace mean? What are they saying?

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Speaker 2: Well, sixteen employees past and present shared their negative experiences

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Speaker 2: with Rolling Stone magazine, who reported this originally. They did

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Speaker 2: a really thorough investigation. They also interviewed eighty additional past

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Speaker 2: and present employees. Many praised Fallon as an immense talent,

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Speaker 2: but nobody had anything positive to say about working on

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Speaker 2: the Tonight Show, and a lot of it, they say,

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Speaker 2: had to do with whether or not Jimmy was having

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Speaker 2: a good Jimmy day in inverted commas or a bad

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Speaker 2: Jimmy day. So apparently he's really moody and would snap

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Speaker 2: at crew members or express irritation over really small things,

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Speaker 2: and screaming at staff had been anecdotally reported. But also

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Speaker 2: this sort of concerning side of it was that he

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Speaker 2: either would smell like booze, or people thought they saw

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Speaker 2: him drinking on set, that he was drunk on set,

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Speaker 2: or that really bad days would be because he was

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Speaker 2: really hungover. So that kind of drinking side of it

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Speaker 2: has come to light as well as this mistreatment of

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Speaker 2: walking on eggshells, and it's you know, often we hear

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Speaker 2: these sort of allegations and we want to is it

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Speaker 2: the host or is it the you know, the management,

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Speaker 2: the crew, who is it? It sounds like it really

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Speaker 2: does come from Jimmy in this case, but that also

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Speaker 2: there is senior management who might have kind of followed

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Speaker 2: in his style of leadership.

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Speaker 1: In the old days, though, like doing a tonight show

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Speaker 1: every night would be so hard, and in the old days,

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Speaker 1: the hosts could be that they could be aggressive, they

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Speaker 1: could be harsh, you could have people cowering. Many workplaces

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Speaker 1: are like that, particularly in the media. But these days

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Speaker 1: people don't tolerate that, and is that fair enough? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We all want happier workplaces, but a nightly

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Speaker 1: Tonight show is a tough environment.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's considered, you know, in comedy and in

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Speaker 2: American television, that is the pinnacle. If you host your

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Speaker 2: own tonight.

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Speaker 1: Show, pressures on you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But traditionally these are roles that have always

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Speaker 2: been held by it has to be said, very funny

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Speaker 2: white dudes. And yes, we do hear stories of this,

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Speaker 2: and many of us will sort of think and question mark,

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Speaker 2: you know, if we've had toxic bosses, the toxic workplace.

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Speaker 1: Interesting though too, that they've Ellen James, Yeah, yep, Jimmy Fallon.

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Speaker 1: They are the people who've painted themselves as a nice guys.

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Speaker 1: Because you've painted yourself as an edgy person, you probably

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Speaker 1: don't get people aren't a surprise. Let him in pretty

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Speaker 1: much got away with having it off with his staff members.

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Speaker 1: And then he.

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Speaker 2: Said because that guy went to blackmail, and so he

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Speaker 2: went straight on the front foot and said, Okay, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. I've been having it off with these staff members.

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Speaker 1: So he just got it.

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Speaker 2: Out there straight away, and everyone praised him for it.

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Speaker 2: I think we feel a real sense of injustice when

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Speaker 2: someone appears to be a kind person and we find

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Speaker 2: out that they're not. There's something that just feels worse,

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Speaker 2: like it's it's like a personal hurt has occurred to us,

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Speaker 2: because it's like, well, I believed you. I thought you

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Speaker 2: were really funny and lovely, but you treat your staff

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Speaker 2: really crap.

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Speaker 1: But people who under that kind of pressure, I wonder

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Speaker 1: who who would survive that with their good nature intact.

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Speaker 2: Well, according to this report, you know, all these staff

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Speaker 2: joked that the dressing rooms for guests were they're crying,

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Speaker 2: and they called them the crying rooms where they just

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Speaker 2: go and decompress and have a big teary sesh before

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Speaker 2: a show. But I will say that fall Into his credit,

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Speaker 2: did apologize straight away. He got on the front foot

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Speaker 2: of this. On Friday, there was an all employee Zoom

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Speaker 2: meeting where apparently he said he was so embarrassed. He

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Speaker 2: was he felt terrible. He felt terrible for them and

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Speaker 2: their family and their friends, and he wants the show

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Speaker 2: to be fun and for it to be inclusive. And

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Speaker 2: the staff that did speak to Rolling Stone for the

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Speaker 2: original report, spoke to the reporter again following that apology

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Speaker 2: and said it seemed really earnest. They could tell he

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Speaker 2: was taking it really seriously, so I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: a good sign of his character. But the show renewed

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Speaker 2: its contract in twenty twenty one and will run till

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, so the networker sort of standing by it.

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Speaker 2: They've said it's a show they're incredibly proud of.

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Speaker 1: I want to feel reference it on air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you'd think he would have to.

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Speaker 1: It's going to have to.

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Speaker 2: He's going to have to. It's you can't sort of

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Speaker 2: hide from an elephant this big anymore. It's like this show.

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Speaker 1: You know what you get when you work on the show.

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Speaker 1: You know what you get, and what is that?

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Speaker 2: You get great stuff to you? What is that great stuff?

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Speaker 2: And wow? What an umbrella tion. It's really color specific.

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Speaker 1: Rub it up, rub it up to its