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Speaker 1: Joining me live on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: Member for Solomon, Labour's Member for Solomon, Luke Goslin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Luke, Good morning Cody. Parliament's sitting,

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Speaker 2: so it's busy week.

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Speaker 1: It would be a busy week. Look, we've just been

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Speaker 1: talking about some of the uncertainty for territories at this

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Speaker 1: point in time when it comes to those borders. I

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Speaker 1: mean all around the nation right now, we're seeing different

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Speaker 1: TACs when it comes to sort of opening up and

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the vaccine and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: I know you are obviously our federal member in Parliament.

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Speaker 1: It just feels as though the country is very sort

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Speaker 1: of dislocated at this point in time and not sort

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Speaker 1: of stepping in sync with each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a good description of where we're at, Cody.

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Speaker 2: A bit dislocated and the role of the National Cabinet

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be to bring everyone together, but the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison is you can't get a climate

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Speaker 2: change policy together to take overseas shortly. And we had

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Speaker 2: this outrageous situation yesterday in the Parliament where there's a blow.

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Speaker 2: Christian Porter was a former cabinet minister who was given

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Speaker 2: a million dollar donation. It's all secret as to who

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Speaker 2: it was, so there was there was some tuing and

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Speaker 2: proing in the Parliament yesterday at the time. Next we

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Speaker 2: can't have politicians getting secret donations otherwise you don't know

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Speaker 2: who's having influence. Yeah, well politicians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I suppose you know that is obviously

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Speaker 1: something that people are concerned about. Sorry, I wasn't talking

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Speaker 1: about the I wasn't talking about the climate change. I

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Speaker 1: know that that is obviously a big issue as well,

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Speaker 1: but I was talking more so about COVID with those

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Speaker 1: borders and US being a bit dislocated. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. It's a tough thing.

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Speaker 2: You were getting there, all right, go for it. I'm

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Speaker 2: just trying to give there's a real lack of trust

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Speaker 2: I think in government at the moment, and it's because

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Speaker 2: that they're not listening and they're not upholding the standards

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Speaker 2: that people expect, and they're not coordinating things through the

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Speaker 2: national cabinet well, and they've been playing politics with this

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Speaker 2: vaccine stuff. You know, Victoria is the worst. New South

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Speaker 2: Wales is the best. Sort of stuff that doesn't really

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Speaker 2: help anyone. So we need more trust in government and

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Speaker 2: we need a more collaborative style of leadership, is basically

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Speaker 2: what I believe. There is no doubt that if we're

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Speaker 2: going to be able to open up, the only way

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Speaker 2: we can do that safely is if we get enough

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Speaker 2: people vaccinated. And I just want to thank everyone who

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Speaker 2: has got vaccinated so far that you can see. Particularly,

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Speaker 2: I think with the First Nation's community, some with very

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Speaker 2: low vaccine rates, that there is a lack of trust,

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Speaker 2: and I think, you know, the government's you got to

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Speaker 2: take some responsibility for that. The federal government's role was

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Speaker 2: to roll out the vaccine to those communities, and the

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Speaker 2: problem particularly for tourism in Central Staia is one example.

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Speaker 2: But also up here is that if we don't get

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Speaker 2: those vaccine rates up, there's going to be carnage in

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Speaker 2: our health system. I mean, people who get vaccinated eighty

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Speaker 2: six percent least likely to get COVID and die. That's

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Speaker 2: a fact. So I think we need a lot more collaboration.

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Speaker 2: We need to be listening to people to make sure

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Speaker 2: that everyone understands the consequences of us to the economy

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Speaker 2: and to people's health and to people's deaths. So yeah, again,

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Speaker 2: thanks to everyone who has got the vaccine. And I

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Speaker 2: the federal government's perspective, to incentivize people, not just some people,

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Speaker 2: but everyone. Incentivize everyone to get vaccinated to keep their

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Speaker 1: Now might that look Louke, do you think that there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some kind of incentive pay or what

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Speaker 1: do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was our policy, Anthony Albanesi, the federal labor

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Speaker 2: leader said, and I stress everyone, not just some groups,

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Speaker 2: but everyone. His idea was three hundred dollars. It would

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Speaker 2: stimulate businesses in much the same way that our tourism

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Speaker 2: vouchers have done for the tourism industry up here, and

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Speaker 2: that you people have that bit of cash in their

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Speaker 2: pocket that takes care of any time needed to take

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Speaker 2: liked to have seen that idea taken up. Whether it

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of working collaboratively listening to people

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Speaker 2: everyone for us to open up. And I understand there's

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Speaker 2: That's going to be good for people not having to

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Speaker 2: But it's got to be done safely with.

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Speaker 1: Well it does. It needs to be done safely, and

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Speaker 1: I reckon we're reaching a point where a lot of

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Speaker 1: Territorians right now though, are just wanting a date as well,

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Speaker 1: in terms of like Queensland's done and ounced obviously December seventeen.

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Speaker 1: At that date, if you're fully vaxed into state, visitors

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Speaker 1: who've recorded that negative COVID test in the past seventy

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Speaker 1: to want to see some kind of date from the

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Speaker 2: Which is absolutely fair enough and totally understandable. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: again thanks to everyone has got vaccinated and I think

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Speaker 2: that is coming of I've got a briefing coming up

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Speaker 1: Well we'll find out more about that. Hey, Luke, I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you. I know that you spoke at

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Speaker 1: as well at different times about spam SMS messages and

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Speaker 1: also these email scams that are going around what exactly

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Speaker 1: happened in Parliament in this space and you're hoping that

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Speaker 1: we'll maybe see some change. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is Cadi. It it's something that's been brought

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Speaker 2: up with me a lot, and I'm being smashed with

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Speaker 2: these dodgy scam SMSs and I know it is causing

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Speaker 2: stress to a lot of people's and it's obviously tricking

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Speaker 2: some people are clicking on them. And can I just say,

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Speaker 2: you know, if it doesn't it's not from someone you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't click on it. And Telstra's doing a bit

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Speaker 2: so we've got to balance that with privacy issues as well.

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Speaker 2: So they're not easy issues. But I feel and i'm

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Speaker 2: listening to people who have contacted me about these scams

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Speaker 2: and messas, they are really annoying. But what is really

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Speaker 2: they might be waiting for a package store and they

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Speaker 2: find themselves going down this wormhole and they're losing money.

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Speaker 2: So we want to crack down. And I thank Telstra

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Speaker 2: another Telcose for what they're doing, but I want the

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Speaker 2: federal government to work a bit closer with them and

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Speaker 2: really invest with them if they need to to keep

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Speaker 2: people safe. And I did speak on cybersecurity in the

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Speaker 2: Parliament again this week. Very important issues because it is

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Speaker 2: the war that is ongoing right now. There are Australians

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Speaker 2: that are countering. In fact, during our conversation right now, Katie,

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Speaker 2: there'll be two cyber attacks on Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, it is really crossy stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's a real concern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke, Look we have run out of time, but

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Speaker 1: we'll catch up with you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Katie, thanks for letting me get in those little

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Speaker 2: things at the started. For those who watch politics, it's

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Speaker 2: a real concern that trust in politicians is at such

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Speaker 2: a load. We need a federal eye CAC and I

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Speaker 2: hope we can get one. Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate, Cheers Katie,