Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: So thanks for joining me each week and I hope
Speaker 1: the podcast continues to give you real insight into the
Speaker 1: magic of television. Today, on the podcast, I have Gold
Speaker 1: LOGI winner and Australian TV legend Grant Danya, and we're
Speaker 1: going to unpack his latest gig dancing Upper Storm on
Speaker 1: Channel seven's Dancing with the Stars All Stars. Addition, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're currently watching this show, but you
Speaker 1: really should. I mean, catch up on all the episodes
Speaker 1: that you've missed. Pull yourself at Bloody Champagne on Sunday
Speaker 1: nights because the show is really fun and Grant is
Speaker 1: amazing in it. I think he probably could win. That's
Speaker 1: just my pick. Anyway. Grant daniel is one of Australia's
Speaker 1: most loved television presenters for many reasons. But to me,
Speaker 1: I've just always loved Grant's energy and from the chat
Speaker 1: today I've realized something about him, and that is he's
Speaker 1: as sensitive and thoughtful as he is funny. We will
Speaker 1: talk about he's breakdown on Dancing with the Stars, why
Speaker 1: he came back to dance again after nearly saying no hiss,
Speaker 1: future ambitions, and so much more. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: admit right now that this has probably been my favorite
Speaker 1: podcast to record, and not to talk it up, but
Speaker 1: it's just a great chat anyway. I'd like to welcome
Speaker 1: Grant Danielle to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: What are you doing going back to being a contestant?
Speaker 1: Is he's starting with the Stars All Stars.
Speaker 2: There was no walk in the park like I thought
Speaker 2: it might be well done, Grant, you have come through
Speaker 2: an alful lot. I told some hard stories out there.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a full on meltdown if I
Speaker 2: was going to come back, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: do something that was truly special. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 2: okay to say some of these uncomfortable and embarrassing, humiliating,
Speaker 2: painful things. It's granding you with the passing of time.
Speaker 2: I'd kind of thought, well, what's this going to be
Speaker 2: like when it goes to air?
Speaker 1: Hi, Grant, how are you man?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, mate, It's lovely to be here,
Speaker 2: great to chat.
Speaker 1: Well. I have to say congratulations on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely flawed watching this series, and you, my friend,
Speaker 1: are just brilliant.
Speaker 2: Thank you, mate. I really appreciate that. I actually said
Speaker 2: no at first to coming back and doing it, and
Speaker 2: that was mainly because of my enormous ego going mate,
Speaker 2: you've you've hosted this show. What are you doing going
Speaker 2: back to being a contestant? And I could I quite
Speaker 2: get my head round that. I thought I was looking
Speaker 2: at it as a backward step, but then I sort
Speaker 2: of slapped myself around a little bit and was like,
Speaker 2: come on, mate, are you kidding yourself? Wasn't when you
Speaker 2: did it in two thousand and six? Was it not
Speaker 2: one of the greatest things that you've ever done in
Speaker 2: your life? Nance was, yes, it absolutely was. Well, then
Speaker 2: who bloody doesn't want to relive or get the chance
Speaker 2: to redo one of the best things that they've ever done.
Speaker 2: So I was like, come on, man, and I finally
Speaker 2: said yes, and I'm so glad I did because it's
Speaker 2: just been majestic and the money helps Frank Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I've got kids that I need to feed for sure.
Speaker 2: Like I live on a farm here and I'm a
Speaker 2: terrible farmer. The only thing that makes me qualify as
Speaker 2: a farm is my hat. It's a really good hat
Speaker 2: that an Aboriginal stockman gave me out in Birdsville. It's legit, right,
Speaker 2: but my farming skills are not. So it's not like
Speaker 2: I can I can feed my family with my farming skills.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to still have a side hustle being television.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that the hat that you wore
Speaker 1: on who do you think you are? Was not your hat?
Speaker 2: That was my hat that was. That's the hat I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, And I was like, Oh, it's great because
Speaker 2: it's it's it's You must have looked at that and said, wow,
Speaker 2: is this some kind of cattle? Barren? Did you? Did
Speaker 2: you get that vibe from from the hat?
Speaker 1: I just thought you looked so beautiful amount of hat
Speaker 1: because the promo pictures for that series last year came
Speaker 1: out and I just was really looking forward to that episode.
Speaker 2: The hat does all the talking, I do stuff all
Speaker 2: in the whole show, right, you know, I just you
Speaker 2: just look at the hat and you go, this guy
Speaker 2: is the real deal. And then you you know, you.
Speaker 1: Put the hat on shares nose, you're in for business. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just just that's the hat. Was the only
Speaker 2: thing I'm wearing. And that's when you know it's got
Speaker 2: Danny household, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Time?
Speaker 2: But children number four?
Speaker 1: Come on, you're gonna have to do dancing with the
Speaker 1: All All Stars, the Superstars. You know you've got any
Speaker 1: more children?
Speaker 2: You know what? I also, I know there've been two
Speaker 2: other series of All Stars before me, and then I
Speaker 2: was like, third time, surely there's no one decent left, Like,
Speaker 2: surely all the good dances would have been used in
Speaker 2: series one and two of All Stars, they would have
Speaker 2: come back. So by the third series only the hopeless
Speaker 2: ones would we left. And so I'll be able to
Speaker 2: brain it if I put my work in as it
Speaker 2: tends it. No, I get Courtney Act who sings and
Speaker 2: dance through a living and has done you know since
Speaker 2: she was I think in the womb. And Ricky Lee,
Speaker 2: who's an All Star performer, incredible vocalist and just like
Speaker 2: an absolute stage hound, like just a weapon on the floor.
Speaker 2: So no, it was no walk in the park like
Speaker 2: I thought it might be. I was hoping it was
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the show is about being emotionally raw?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Is it as much about being emotionally raw as it
Speaker 1: is with the dancing, because like this series, the people
Speaker 1: that are getting through, the celebrities that are getting through,
Speaker 1: are the ones who connect the most emotionally to the dance.
Speaker 2: I think if you connect to a dance, you end
Speaker 2: up doing it better, the viewers feel it more, and
Speaker 2: the judges buy it right. But I think it's I
Speaker 2: don't think it's a deliberate thing where the emotion people
Speaker 2: are getting through or it's certainly not a tactic. I know,
Speaker 2: sometimes a backstory can help because the viewers can feel
Speaker 2: a little bit more for the dance and for you,
Speaker 2: or they understand what it's about. But I kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, normally, I'm pretty frivolous in my career, right
Speaker 2: I've always just been that sort of smiley game show
Speaker 2: guy who gives away cash and cars. It doesn't take
Speaker 2: life too serious. But I wanted this to be a
Speaker 2: bit different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I if I was going to come back and do
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars, and I'd wanted in two thousand
Speaker 2: and six, what's to gain by coming back and doing
Speaker 2: it again? You got everything to lose, and you know what,
Speaker 2: your last memory to be the one that didn't go well.
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, maybe I don't
Speaker 2: want to just bounce around the floor and just giggle,
Speaker 2: you know, like a buffoon like I normally would. You know,
Speaker 2: I kind of I wanted to do this for a purpose,
Speaker 2: for a reason, and you know, I told some hard
Speaker 2: stories out there. You know, I had a full on
Speaker 2: meltdown after one of the dancers, and you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to to share some of the things
Speaker 2: that aren't The Smiley Game Show, Grant Dania, because you know,
Speaker 2: I've been faking it a lot of my life and
Speaker 2: shiny and glossy is nice, but that's not real and
Speaker 2: it's not that interesting. So I kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of I wanted to. I wanted to open
Speaker 2: up a little little more than I ever have.
Speaker 1: I can see it's still very raw for you, Grant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: I made some mistakes in my life, and you know,
Speaker 2: there was a period that I'm not particularly very proud of.
Speaker 2: And you know, one thing I have learned that it's
Speaker 2: it's okay to make mistakes and it's okay to be
Speaker 2: okay to fail, and that's a part of being human.
Speaker 2: And whilst that was a very dark period and a
Speaker 2: hard thing to kind of dance too, it's you know,
Speaker 2: I just put one foot in front of the other
Speaker 2: and I climbed my way out of that hole. And
Speaker 2: I feel a lot of healing here done tonight. That's
Speaker 2: why it's probably so you know, emotion, I know, this
Speaker 2: is just a it's just a dance, and dance maybe
Speaker 2: isn't important, but it's important to me, and this was
Speaker 2: important to me.
Speaker 1: Well, it felt like to me in some ways. This
Speaker 1: show has been a way for you to unpack some
Speaker 1: emotional backstories. Is Dancing with the Stars the new group Therapy.
Speaker 1: It feels like it, It really does. I had learned
Speaker 1: a little bit about myself from being in the jungle
Speaker 1: and I'm as celebrity, where I kind of through starvation
Speaker 1: and deprivation and boredom, you end up not being able
Speaker 1: to run away from your issues, right that You've sort
Speaker 1: of forced to sit in them and confront them a
Speaker 1: little bit. And as other people become really warm and friendly.
Speaker 2: With you, you kind of felt like you're in a safe place.
Speaker 2: Even though there's three thousand cameras pointed at you. You
Speaker 2: weirdly end up being able to say things that you've
Speaker 2: never said to your own wife. So I kind of
Speaker 2: learned on that show, oh, ok, maybe I don't have
Speaker 2: to pretend as much, you know, maybe it's okay to
Speaker 2: say some of these uncomfortable and embarrassing, humiliating, painful things.
Speaker 2: So I kind of started to learn how to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, by accident celebrity. And then I thought, you
Speaker 2: know what, let's craft a couple of dances that truly,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to feel these ones I want
Speaker 2: to feel this, so I did them for important reasons.
Speaker 1: I felt like that, you know, with this emotional dance
Speaker 1: that Australia has already seen, I just I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever watched Dancing with the Stars or watch dancing
Speaker 1: and felt emotional like I've been to the ballet and
Speaker 1: I can see the people next to me crying or
Speaker 1: welling up, and I'm like, oh god, this is like
Speaker 1: there's magic eye puzzles that I can't see. And I
Speaker 1: had to pause it just before you spoke. So I'd
Speaker 1: watched the dance and was wiping away those tears, and
Speaker 1: then I was texting Channel seven by one of the
Speaker 1: heads of publicity and about another interview, not this one,
Speaker 1: but a different one, and I said, I've just watched
Speaker 1: Grand Dania dance and it is unbelievable and I'm emotional,
Speaker 1: like I'm crying watching this. And then I got off
Speaker 1: the phone and watched what you had to say about it,
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was so amazing to be
Speaker 1: able to watch a man a blow, you know, father,
Speaker 1: a car racing driver, emotionally be able to talk about
Speaker 1: that stuff. Because I think it's important for osie men
Speaker 1: out there that would be watching that to go, oh,
Speaker 1: let's get in touch with how we truly film Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's a really lovely thing to say. I'd never thought
Speaker 2: of that as a potential outcome or a benefit. When
Speaker 2: I was coming up with the dance, it was literally just,
Speaker 2: you know, what's the worst thing I've ever been through?
Speaker 2: What's the hardest period of my life? Fuck? It was
Speaker 2: this period? Right, it was about twenty twelve. All right,
Speaker 2: what's the song? We'll have to dance a song? What's
Speaker 2: a song that represents that period? That's right. I used
Speaker 2: to listen to this song, Don't give Up. The song
Speaker 2: Don't give Up is about reaching a moment in your
Speaker 2: life of absolute despair where you don't think it can
Speaker 2: go on. I relate to it so much because it
Speaker 2: represents the lowest, you know, I've been in my life.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was at my lowest, when I
Speaker 2: was really struggling to climb out of a pretty deep
Speaker 2: dark hole. So I thought, well, what a great opportunity,
Speaker 2: you know, to not only to not sort of go
Speaker 2: back and be re triggered by all those feelings, but
Speaker 2: also to celebrate within myself, just for me, how far
Speaker 2: I've come. So I thought that'd be like just a
Speaker 2: really lovely pat on the back to yourself to say,
Speaker 2: well done, g D. You know, you've come a long way.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm proud of you. That was my only purpose,
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was selfish, to be honest.
Speaker 2: But then when I walked off the stage, and then
Speaker 2: you know, I walked into the arms of Rob Mills afterwards,
Speaker 2: who just held me really tired and just said, you know,
Speaker 2: what you have done a lot of men a lot
Speaker 2: of good by what you have just done by giving
Speaker 2: them permission, you know, permission to be emotional, permission to
Speaker 2: you know, accept that life is hard and we all
Speaker 2: make mistakes, but you can recover from them. And I
Speaker 2: didn't think of that as the as a as a
Speaker 2: benefit until he said that. And I'm still touched both
Speaker 2: those words, and you've just said the same thing, and
Speaker 2: it makes me smile.
Speaker 1: Well, Melsy would know. I mean, he's done so much
Speaker 1: work you away from the cameras with men's mental health,
Speaker 1: and I think that's great that he was there and
Speaker 1: able to give you that words of wisdom, you know,
Speaker 1: having been in that space himself. But I also really
Speaker 1: love that song, don't give up? And I love that
Speaker 1: Shannon Noel Natalie Bassing's wait version? Did you hear from
Speaker 1: either of after it was on? Telling I did?
Speaker 2: I texted them both just to let them know that
Speaker 2: I was using their song and just to let them
Speaker 2: know that it meant something to me because I knew
Speaker 2: that I have a full melt out because we recorded it,
Speaker 2: you know, in September or October last year, and I
Speaker 2: was really nervous, like really nervous, waiting for this to
Speaker 2: come around. Have I embarrassed myself and my family? Am
Speaker 2: I going to look silly? Why did I do that?
Speaker 2: Why did I fall apart? Why can't I just have
Speaker 2: held it together just for a few more seconds. I
Speaker 2: was sitting in a lot of a lot of discomfort,
Speaker 2: a lot of embarrassment and bordering on humiliation. Like I
Speaker 2: was caught up in the moment, and with the passing
Speaker 2: of time, I kind of thought, Well, what's this going
Speaker 2: to be like when it goes to air? Is it
Speaker 2: going to have any meaning? Lose it to all its meaning?
Speaker 2: Am I just going to look like just a you know,
Speaker 2: blowers just having a mental breakdown?
Speaker 1: Well it's kind of hard because it is between two
Speaker 1: things it's between overdoing it and people accusing you of
Speaker 1: being unauthentic or I guess yeah, losing it and then
Speaker 1: people saying his he, or being in the audience feeling
Speaker 1: worried for you. It was the right amount of that.
Speaker 1: It was in between. You know, it was authentic, it
Speaker 1: was real. No one would question what you were going through,
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't melodramatic.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that helps, Yeah it does, but
Speaker 2: I still very nervous about people's judgment of what that
Speaker 2: moment either looked like or I know it to me,
Speaker 2: but I just didn't know. You know, when you live
Speaker 2: in the public eye, you get very sensitive to what
Speaker 2: you know. My whole job is to when I create television,
Speaker 2: is to put myself in the audience's seat. What's this
Speaker 2: going to look like? How can I make this moment better?
Speaker 2: Like if you're creating a game show or doing a
Speaker 2: comedy skit, right, So then you always have that sort
Speaker 2: of third person perspective. So when when I absolutely lost
Speaker 2: my sit, which was not the plan, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, what are people going to
Speaker 2: think of me? You know, how much damage if I've
Speaker 2: done to my career? Will I never be hired again,
Speaker 2: because you know, I can't even sort of keep it together.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be professional TV guy. What am I
Speaker 2: doing for in the bart? But the rehearsals were tough.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: When I first put this song on in the dance
Speaker 2: studio and played it to Lily, who's twenty two and
Speaker 2: has barely even heard of the band Coldplay, so you
Speaker 2: have a lot in common. I first play, She's turned around,
Speaker 2: I'm already bawling, and she's like going, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what have I inherited here? What kind of emotional mess
Speaker 2: is this? She was really gentle and she understood that
Speaker 2: that period of time was hard, and I walked it
Speaker 2: kind of through it, you know, as to why it
Speaker 2: meant to me and why it was hard. And then
Speaker 2: when we first did it on the floor, I was
Speaker 2: really struggling to do it in rehearsal, but you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of mustered it and pulled it all together,
Speaker 2: and I just knew the hard bit would be when
Speaker 2: Lily and I finished last Move, we danced to the
Speaker 2: song and she sort of breaks away from me and
Speaker 2: she's now a memory. And then I thought, I'm good,
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. And when her fingertip just left
Speaker 2: me for the last second, and I was like, I'm gone,
Speaker 2: I'm gone, I'm gone, and I just I cracked and
Speaker 2: it just all came out, mate, It just just it
Speaker 2: just had no control over anything. It just all happened.
Speaker 1: You've got full claar Dane's crying face, because what I
Speaker 1: call it, you know where the cry starts at the
Speaker 1: bottom of your chin. And I was the same watching it.
Speaker 1: I actually feel emotional now. How ridiculous. I feel emotional
Speaker 1: now just thinking about it. It was crazy, it was surreal,
Speaker 1: and you know, in a medium at the moment, we'll
Speaker 1: get into this in a little bit about reality television.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard to create those moments of
Speaker 1: authenticity these days because these days, you know, the production
Speaker 1: company can cut it up and make it into something different,
Speaker 1: you know. But there we are watching something raw. So
Speaker 1: I have to ask, what did Natt and Shannon say, Hey,
Speaker 1: can you go through your phone? Yeah? I can't.
Speaker 2: I think their privacy and I'll see you. Let me
Speaker 2: just quickly look her up here. So all right, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So I said to her, I said this Sunday Dancing
Speaker 2: the Stars. I danced to one of your songs with Shannon,
Speaker 2: Oh don't give Up. Your song helped me get through
Speaker 2: the worst period of my life, and I'm honoring it
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. You got me out of a very
Speaker 2: very deep, dark hole with that song, and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to say thanks and kiss emoji and she wrote back,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's very sweet. I'll be tuning in
Speaker 2: for sure. This world we live in right now could
Speaker 2: do with some of that song too. It doesn't get
Speaker 2: much better than Kate Bush, you know who's the original
Speaker 2: performer with Peter Gabriel's. She also it's truly amazing how
Speaker 2: music can get you through the hardest of times. Thanks
Speaker 2: for reaching out. It's inspiring to see you come out
Speaker 2: the other side and share your vulnerabilities. The world needs
Speaker 2: more people like you. Love to you and your beautiful
Speaker 2: family and good luck. Oh my god, such.
Speaker 1: A nice message. And then you know, now all those
Speaker 1: people that were disappointed that she got the understudy to
Speaker 1: do jag a little pill that night so she could
Speaker 1: stay home and watch you perform on Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: they'll be so angry that rings up and goes sorry,
Speaker 1: my friend Grant's on Dancing at the stars tonight, you'll
Speaker 1: need the understudy for Jag a little pill. I won't
Speaker 1: be there.
Speaker 2: Simon from The Wiggles tells this great story when he
Speaker 2: was feeling in Anthony Wallow for a Phantom of the Opera,
Speaker 2: and he said he used to hate filling in because
Speaker 2: he'd be side of stage when they would make the
Speaker 2: announcement to the crowd. Tonight the role of the Phantom
Speaker 2: is being played by Red Wiggle. And then he gues,
Speaker 2: you could hear the whole audience go oh what, and
Speaker 2: he goes emotionally, would hurt my heart that they Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why they don't do that anymore. They actually make
Speaker 2: you go up to this board before you see any
Speaker 2: performance to see who the understudies are, so you've got
Speaker 2: time to deal with that. But I just feel bad
Speaker 2: because now we've given those people a reason. I'm sure
Speaker 2: she went and did the show. So I've made all
Speaker 2: of this up, like, can I see it? So you've
Speaker 2: given her a link to it? So I may, I
Speaker 2: hope half of the show.
Speaker 1: And Shannon do we want to find out about Shannon?
Speaker 1: Shannon probably just sent your beer emotion emoji.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that it's exactly what happened. You
Speaker 2: read my mind, No Knowlesy did he did say something
Speaker 2: that ended He said, I had to work yesterday so
Speaker 2: I missed it. Can I watch it back? Thanks so
Speaker 2: much for the message, brother, and I'm stoked to help
Speaker 2: you get through some tough time. Tape You're in the
Speaker 2: family are well, beer emoji.
Speaker 1: Classic, nosey classic. I just think that's so good. I
Speaker 1: think it's nice to be emotional in front of Australian
Speaker 1: audiences these days and to be transparent like that. So
Speaker 1: thanks for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I still don't know how I feel
Speaker 2: about it, but yes, yeah, I feel part of me
Speaker 2: sometimes feels like I was silly for letting allowing it
Speaker 2: to get to me and for falling apart. But I
Speaker 2: also take your words you know to heart that you
Speaker 2: know hopefully it can help others who might be in
Speaker 2: that position to know that you can come out of stuff,
Speaker 2: even when it feels like you can't, or you are stuck,
Speaker 2: or you're in a state of permanence where you'll forever
Speaker 2: be in this pit of pain. Knowing that others have
Speaker 2: managed to put one foot in front of the other
Speaker 2: and climb out of there. Slowly, you know. I think
Speaker 2: I learned that lesson from someone else, So if I
Speaker 2: can be that lesson for other people, then that's been
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, if you've ever been through depression,
Speaker 1: or if you've ever been through a mental health struggle
Speaker 1: or an obstacle in your life, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: you always feel like you're always going to be there,
Speaker 1: Like it's impossible to think you'll ever be getting out
Speaker 1: of it. So that's the important thing. I always find
Speaker 1: that people need to say so you might not always
Speaker 1: feel like this, you know, And that is so powerful
Speaker 1: because Yeah, I've been in places like that in my life,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking I'm never coming out of this,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I did and then I was
Speaker 1: able to go on and achieve great things beyond that,
Speaker 1: I think became this important message anywhere we're going off
Speaker 1: on an emotional tangent.
Speaker 2: I love this. I can talk about this all day.
Speaker 2: I think it's beautiful sharing it as well. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: it does feel like you'll never get out of it
Speaker 2: until someone sort of shows you that, oh oh ei,
Speaker 2: there is a way out, or someone else made it out.
Speaker 2: Maybe I can too. Just that little light globe of hope,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes that's all you need.
Speaker 1: Do you think we need more authentic emotions on television? Just?
Speaker 1: You know, so much these days is sort of frank
Speaker 1: and grabbed or made to be perfect. And even as
Speaker 1: a presenter, something I've always admired in you is at
Speaker 1: times you're a word perfect presenter, which is what the
Speaker 1: network wants. But then also I've seen you go off
Speaker 1: script and be yourself. You know, But do you think
Speaker 1: we're missing something?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sometimes when we ah making things too perfect, I.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree. And to be honest, I was
Speaker 2: looking back on my career going I've I'm not particularly
Speaker 2: very proud of how I've done it and what I do.
Speaker 2: I don't feel while I was I was employed to
Speaker 2: be perfect. I was employed to be flawless. And when
Speaker 2: you have a you know, a crew of two hundred
Speaker 2: people and a live show, you know resting on your shoulders,
Speaker 2: that's that's a huge amount of pressure. And you know,
Speaker 2: I take it very seriously, and you know you have
Speaker 2: to lead it strong from the front. You know, if
Speaker 2: you lose one piece, you know, it all falls apart.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be responsible for having done
Speaker 2: a shoddy job, because there's hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: resting on this, and you know, and I'm fear and
Speaker 2: I'm the truck driver. So but when I was bored
Speaker 2: with my own work, to be honest, I was bored
Speaker 2: with my own performance. I was dissatisfied with how I
Speaker 2: was doing it. I wasn't finding it very interesting. I
Speaker 2: found I think I felt like I was a fraud.
Speaker 2: And I just had fallen out of love with what
Speaker 2: I was doing. And so I kind of had to
Speaker 2: figure out what I was doing wrong and why I
Speaker 2: didn't like myself, And yeah, I had to put a
Speaker 2: lot of work into that, you know, and that takes
Speaker 2: you down a lot of roads and questions as to
Speaker 2: why you're not happy and why you know you why
Speaker 2: you are who you are, And so I kind of
Speaker 2: had to rebuild myself to be honest and build myself
Speaker 2: into a better version of myself. Again, A lot of
Speaker 2: that started sort of in the jungle, weirdly enough, and
Speaker 2: a lot of work over the last ten years as well.
Speaker 2: But I did all that privately, whereas I just decided that,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's okay to do a little bit
Speaker 2: of that publicly.
Speaker 1: You know before that we got some of my favorite
Speaker 1: television moments. Certainly Granted in your favorite moments was always
Speaker 1: when you go off script on any of the shows
Speaker 1: that you're any of the game show hosting jobs that
Speaker 1: you did, because when you laughed as an audience, we
Speaker 1: laughed as an audience, and it was just so funny,
Speaker 1: like you are one of those people like Kristin Wig,
Speaker 1: you know, like one of those SNL sketches where they
Speaker 1: fall out of character and you laugh and you just
Speaker 1: lose it as an audience. And so we always could
Speaker 1: see that there was more raw Grant tenure to come.
Speaker 1: So it's been amazing that the Jungle and Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars, I mean, come on, he has allowed us
Speaker 1: to get to see a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: How weird is that you would ever ever thought that,
Speaker 3: you know, a comfortable old slipper like Daisy with the
Speaker 3: Stars would be the one thing that kind of paints
Speaker 3: me in a completely different picture or just.
Speaker 2: Changes the way that I go about broadcasting forever. You know,
Speaker 2: what a pivotal moment, But I'm so glad it did happen.
Speaker 2: But you are right, I think for a lot of
Speaker 2: my career and I started really young, So I was
Speaker 2: sort of kicked off in television at about sixteen years
Speaker 2: of age, you know, and went up through the journalism ranks,
Speaker 2: and journalist knock's personality out of you. Also, it knocks
Speaker 2: your ability to communicate as a normal human to start
Speaker 2: using terms and phrases that you know, art a normal
Speaker 2: way of communicating. Then I was young at say Channel
Speaker 2: ten or Channel seven, getting these big shows like Australia's
Speaker 2: Got Talent or It Takes Two and then all I
Speaker 2: was doing then I was still like the work experienced
Speaker 2: kid trying to prove to his bosses that he deserved
Speaker 2: to be here, you know where, you know, trying to
Speaker 2: dress up as an adult and act like a TV
Speaker 2: presenter rather than just being a TV presenter. So it's
Speaker 2: I guess we all do that in life, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, they say dress for the job you want,
Speaker 2: not for the job that you've got. I was kind
Speaker 2: of doing that in my career, you know, I was
Speaker 2: I was acting like I should do. I was acting
Speaker 2: like for the job that I wanted, rather than just
Speaker 2: doing the job, you know, true to true to, true
Speaker 2: to heart. I was performing.
Speaker 1: But that's the magic of you in lots of ways.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're Australia's favorite son in that
Speaker 1: way that we got to feel that, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been in your audience for an extremely long time.
Speaker 1: I'm showing my age, but I've been with you through that,
Speaker 1: watching you. And yeah, as I said, it's the magic
Speaker 1: of you was that you were kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: off to your first job at school, you know, wanting
Speaker 1: to wanting you to do well. And I think that's
Speaker 1: been a part of the magic of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that youthful excitement. And because I'm a
Speaker 2: I've alwayso been aware that this could all end tomorrow,
Speaker 2: Like I've picked the most difficult of career choices because
Speaker 2: there's so few jobs. Everything could fall over tomorrow. The
Speaker 2: industry could collapse, or you just might not ever get
Speaker 2: a job again, or you get a one show that fails,
Speaker 2: you might never be hired ever again. So I've always
Speaker 2: kept that in the back of my mind, which keeps
Speaker 2: you appreciative of the opportunities that you got. But to
Speaker 2: be honest, I was really struggling to find the buzz
Speaker 2: again after doing Sunrise on seven because that, you know,
Speaker 2: allowed me to really push the envelope. You could do
Speaker 2: anything you wanted from wherever. And I was cheeky, I
Speaker 2: was naughty, I was stunty. I you know, we're doing
Speaker 2: big things. You know, you're wrestling crocodiles one day, or
Speaker 2: jumping out of a helicopter the next setting a Guinness
Speaker 2: World Record for the world's largest tandem bungee jump or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: But I really struggled after that because I was getting
Speaker 2: such a massive adrenaline hit every single day that when
Speaker 2: that stopped, I was how do I replace that? Like,
Speaker 2: what where do I get that from? So I you know,
Speaker 2: I could get it in motor racing, but when I
Speaker 2: decided not to continue being a professional racing car driver,
Speaker 2: I had a big hole that needed to be filled.
Speaker 2: And that was hard.
Speaker 1: I can imagine. But I mean things are like snakes
Speaker 1: and ladders. I mean, even Dancing with the Stars. You
Speaker 1: started off as a competitor, then you were the host,
Speaker 1: you know, and then now you're back dancing again, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk in years to come and you'll
Speaker 1: be back to being the host of this show. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're really only in the middle point of a person's career.
Speaker 1: So it's the industry for people who are as good
Speaker 1: as what you are and how well you do, it
Speaker 1: means that we probably will see you replaced Aryl Summers
Speaker 1: the next time round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's funny, you know, once you've done a
Speaker 2: show and then watching another host host your show is
Speaker 2: like watching someone else kiss your wife. It's really awkward,
Speaker 2: and it's not a nice feeling because you're like, I.
Speaker 1: Can imagine, it's not it's.
Speaker 2: Like, that's my baby, what are you doing in there?
Speaker 2: And so sometimes when you let go of the reins
Speaker 2: and someone else takes over, you sort of don't want
Speaker 2: it back. You feel like, no, you've just abused it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I want I don't want.
Speaker 2: I don't want this show back with all your emotional
Speaker 2: luggage still in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine you watching Sonya Krueger having
Speaker 1: so much fun on this show in her role that
Speaker 1: you might be a little bit jealous, you know, you
Speaker 1: might want to snatch the microphone away from her hand.
Speaker 1: At times, You're absolutely.
Speaker 2: Right, And it was when I was hosting the show,
Speaker 2: watching the other celebrities do it reminded me how wonderful
Speaker 2: the whole experience it is, and That's what sort of
Speaker 2: convinced me to do it as a dancer. Watching her
Speaker 2: have that much fun as a host kind of made
Speaker 2: me fall in love with the format all over again,
Speaker 2: because she is joyous, she's having the time of her life.
Speaker 2: She is pushing the envelope like she's making naughty gags,
Speaker 2: making us all laugh and hysterics. Makes it feel so
Speaker 2: live and vibrant. And the best feeling, you know, that
Speaker 2: I will ever get in the world is, you know,
Speaker 2: a live television grand final. You just can't whether you're
Speaker 2: hosting it or whether you're in it. That's the that's
Speaker 2: the greatest kick I've ever received, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: I live for those moments and watching her do it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, is inspiring because she she's so alive in
Speaker 2: that role.
Speaker 1: So alive, and she looks so good.
Speaker 2: Like did you see that the jokement Todd made about
Speaker 2: her dress in the semi final She had this really
Speaker 2: short sort of mini minute steps on that was like
Speaker 2: it looked like a broken mirrors, like there's a glass
Speaker 2: as you left. To be careful down, you'll have to
Speaker 2: smile from both ends in that dress tonight and motom.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it made it onto The show was
Speaker 1: on Sunday night. It was last Sunday, And interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: I had I've had Todd and I've had Sonya on
Speaker 1: the podcast before, and both of them talked about their
Speaker 1: friendship and that they actually would nart it out, like
Speaker 1: they would work out a few jokes before turning up
Speaker 1: and be like, but I could say this, and then
Speaker 1: you could say that, And it was. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because their friendship is palpable. No matter how much
Speaker 1: it looks like they're having a go at each other,
Speaker 1: you know, the lover is still there. And it's just
Speaker 1: brilliant television. How some of her jokes or his have
Speaker 1: stayed in the final cut. They've had set some temble
Speaker 1: last year to edit them out.
Speaker 2: Well that I thought, there's no chance that that GAG's
Speaker 2: stayin in there. I loved the gag, But like, that's
Speaker 2: that was straight out of the box, so to speak.
Speaker 2: This is the show had started, so like that's you're talking,
Speaker 2: that's seven oh four on Sunday afternoon. That's that's early,
Speaker 2: you know to be dropping that kind of material. But
Speaker 2: I you know, credit to the network and credit to
Speaker 2: the produces. What it does is it gives something for
Speaker 2: the adults to make them laugh. You know, you tell
Speaker 2: the best television is when you run the Disney model
Speaker 2: right when there's something for the kids and there's a
Speaker 2: level for the adults. If you can do that well,
Speaker 2: then you're nailing entertainment. You know. That's that's that's that's
Speaker 2: the golden key, because you caters for everyone in every
Speaker 2: everyone in the audience, and I think if you don't
Speaker 2: do that, then you're neglecting your job as an entertainer.
Speaker 1: One of the questions I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: was I was wondering how you went with Sam Mack.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you both have walked in similar roles,
Speaker 1: and then he wasn't an All Star. You know, he
Speaker 1: was coming back for the first time. So I'm assuming
Speaker 1: he was really nervous because as an audience, we were
Speaker 1: going to quickly compare the two of you. It's just natural.
Speaker 2: What did you say to him? There's two things I've
Speaker 2: sort of said to him over the years. One is
Speaker 2: when he started the weather role, I said, mate, you're
Speaker 2: in for the time of your life, and I want
Speaker 2: you to enjoy this because it doesn't get any better.
Speaker 2: Like I said before doing whatever you want from where
Speaker 2: you want. This is the gig, the gig, so soak
Speaker 2: it up, enjoy it, but look for the warning signs.
Speaker 2: Listen to your body because it travel is the best
Speaker 2: and the worst part about that gig. You know, you're
Speaker 2: in another part of the country, sometimes the world, every
Speaker 2: single day. So you you know, I had three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty flights in Sorry, I had seven hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty flights in three and a half years. Seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty in three and a half years, so it's prolifics.
Speaker 2: I ignored all the signs. I was never good at
Speaker 2: listening to my body. And you know, I was always
Speaker 2: focused on the next goal, the next race when you know,
Speaker 2: the next trophy, the next television gag, the next television gig,
Speaker 2: all of that, and I ignored what my body was doing.
Speaker 2: And it was shutting down, and I was running head
Speaker 2: on into a brick wall and I wasn't even aware
Speaker 2: of it. And I think that's why I broke my
Speaker 2: back in a monster truck. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: the accident so much as it was, you know, the
Speaker 2: universe telling me to slow the hell down. So I
Speaker 2: just wanted to pass that on to him, to just say,
Speaker 2: there is a time limit on this gig, so just
Speaker 2: be mindful of that and if you get the balance right,
Speaker 2: you'll be okay. So we sort of had that frank
Speaker 2: chat and I'm glad because he's grabbed the role with
Speaker 2: both hands and he does an awesome job. But when
Speaker 2: he came on Dancing with the Stars, I could see
Speaker 2: that I don't know if he wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: I think he was either forced or asked, or I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. He looked uncomfortable. From the very first photo shoot,
Speaker 2: I could see his hesitation, and, Mate, if you haven't
Speaker 2: danced before and everyone else has, like you are a
Speaker 2: hundred miles behind, because it's a grueling, difficult process and
Speaker 2: if you've done it before, you're already right up the
Speaker 2: road before you've even pulled your shoes on to start dancing.
Speaker 2: So that was a big ask for him, but he
Speaker 2: played it beautifully because he just knew where his strengths were,
Speaker 2: which was in I'll just go total dork and laugh
Speaker 2: at myself and just just crack out the gags, and
Speaker 2: that's exactly what the show needed. You know, you've got
Speaker 2: to have that light and Shade wen't be falling apart
Speaker 2: and crying about our dead relatives all the time, you know,
Speaker 2: we had a mental breakdown. You need that, and he
Speaker 2: brought that in spades.
Speaker 1: It felt to me like he was being his daytime
Speaker 1: job in Dancing with the Stars, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it felt like it was he got to be
Speaker 1: the weather man on Dancing with the Stars, and whilst
Speaker 1: he probably didn't dance as good as Grant Danya like,
Speaker 1: it still was very entertaining. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I think the judges were a little annoyed that he
Speaker 2: was still playing that kind of weather character. I think
Speaker 2: they wanted more from him. I think they were a
Speaker 2: bit frustrated when they were trying to give him, you know,
Speaker 2: some tips and encouragement and he was just wanting to
Speaker 2: steal the first line or get the first gag out.
Speaker 2: I think that was frustrating them a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2: I know that Paul mccurieo was a bit sort of
Speaker 2: annoyed by that, because this is an opportunity, you know,
Speaker 2: as you've seen, to show a completely different part of you,
Speaker 2: and I think they wanted that from him, and I
Speaker 2: don't think they got that. But the show got the
Speaker 2: laughs that we probably needed.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the type rope that you have to
Speaker 1: walk with making a show like this. If those judges
Speaker 1: aren't taking it as seriously as they need to, the
Speaker 1: show falls down a little bit. So they're holding it
Speaker 1: together and so if they're in their right to be
Speaker 1: probably a little bit annoyed if people aren't taking the
Speaker 1: competition as seriously as what they are expecting it to.
Speaker 1: Because then he.
Speaker 2: Had no choice. That's exactly what he had to do,
Speaker 2: because there's no way he could have competed because it's
Speaker 2: not an even playing field. You know, we already had
Speaker 2: a massive head start. So he just read the playbook, well,
Speaker 2: read the room and thought, well, this is all I
Speaker 2: could do, so I'll do this.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm really enjoying your podcast. It is all true
Speaker 1: with your wife, Sharz. I just think that you've both
Speaker 1: allowed your audiences a chance to really get to know
Speaker 1: you both in different ways, and it's just such a
Speaker 1: fun podcast. Interestingly enough, you do mention it that you
Speaker 1: guys don't plan what you're going to say, and you're
Speaker 1: trying to be as natural, but surely with what you
Speaker 1: put into each episod. So this podcast. You must have
Speaker 1: some parameters. What are the parameters of a husband and
Speaker 1: wife on a podcast like this? Because my partner would
Speaker 1: never do it. I've been with him for twelve years.
Speaker 1: He'd leave me before I'd even finish the sentence. Do
Speaker 1: you want to do a podcast with me? I?
Speaker 2: End of right?
Speaker 1: What about you? Now? What end scene? End whole relationship?
Speaker 2: But you, I'm I mean, parameters are something we should
Speaker 2: have done. We should have sat down and drawn out, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's too far? What's what's where are the boundaries? Where
Speaker 2: are the no go zones? We didn't do that. And
Speaker 2: this was also me being again trying to figure out
Speaker 2: I wasn't enjoying how I had been previously broadcasting. I
Speaker 2: thought it was just too stiff, too serious, not fun enough,
Speaker 2: not honest enough. And we're in a different era of
Speaker 2: communication as well. Now we're all communicating very differently than
Speaker 2: we were five years ago. So I said to Shares,
Speaker 2: I will do it on the provisor that I have
Speaker 2: no idea what we're doing. I don't want to organize it,
Speaker 2: I don't want any I don't want to mind my
Speaker 2: life for top. You know, I've done breakfast radio where
Speaker 2: it's a job to have to remember childhood stories or
Speaker 2: something that happened to your kid, or and your kid
Speaker 2: put their finger up the dog's bum. And I've done
Speaker 2: that where you had to write all those down and
Speaker 2: deliver them the next day in the radio. And that
Speaker 2: was it was. That was heavy going. That was hard
Speaker 2: because every time I mind my life for material, it
Speaker 2: was a great segment, but that took a lot of energy,
Speaker 2: and then it would get written about and in the
Speaker 2: newspapers and then so I felt like it was a job.
Speaker 2: So I said, I don't want it to feel like
Speaker 2: that at all.
Speaker 1: So you do it.
Speaker 2: Let's not figure out what we're going to do and
Speaker 2: doing fresh record and Chess has a little bit of
Speaker 2: an idea where she might want to go about, oh,
Speaker 2: let's let's talk about that time, you know, we vomited
Speaker 2: in the bathroom at gold class or whatever, and but yeah,
Speaker 2: I have I have no idea what we're doing, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of it keeps it loose and it keeps
Speaker 2: it fun for me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm often I'm often talking to the speaker,
Speaker 1: and I there's still a lot of podcasts because I
Speaker 1: feel like, if you want to be good at something,
Speaker 1: you immerse yourself in it. If you're a writer, you
Speaker 1: read a lot. So I'm a podcaster. I podcast a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm often having you guys. And there's a break
Speaker 1: between the first series and second series. I was disappointed
Speaker 1: with that, but you're back, and I would sit. It's
Speaker 1: the only podcast I can think of where I talk
Speaker 1: to the speaker. I don't think there's any other podcast
Speaker 1: where I do it. I feel like I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: join your conversations. You guys don't talk back, but like
Speaker 1: this the last podcast I listened to, And maybe there's more,
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm not a true fan, but the last
Speaker 1: one I listened to, I remember hypothetically, what would Grant
Speaker 1: Dan you do as his next job? And the guys
Speaker 1: were pushing you into musicals, and then they were like
Speaker 1: trying to work out who you would be in Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ Superstars, and so I was like, Jesus, you would
Speaker 1: be Jesus like that. I love that musical. And I
Speaker 1: love that nineteen ninety two musical so much that you
Speaker 1: got one of the musicians wrong at one point, and
Speaker 1: I also yelled at the speaker, that's not job, that's
Speaker 1: the wrong guy anyway. But I thought you would be
Speaker 1: so good as Jesus in that Jesus Christ Superstars sort
Speaker 1: of rock format, and it was funny to me that
Speaker 1: you didn't know.
Speaker 2: That's very kind of you to say that. However, John
Speaker 2: Farnham played Jesus. Now, one thing I've learned about my
Speaker 2: career is you always replace someone that is worse than you, right,
Speaker 2: because that's the way to win. Okay, you don't mate.
Speaker 2: You don't try and replace Farnham because you're going to
Speaker 2: fall a long way down. And because I'm about not
Speaker 2: over promising and under delivering, I underpromise and over deliver. Right,
Speaker 2: you can't do that if you get the Jesus role.
Speaker 2: For starters, and John Farnham was the previous guy because
Speaker 2: he's insane in that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you he was actually a really good
Speaker 1: friend of my father's. So we went to the musical
Speaker 1: when it was live. I watched it a few times,
Speaker 1: and I was young too, I was twelve. But the
Speaker 1: first night that it launched, I sat next to Jill,
Speaker 1: who's John's wife, and Jill was so shocked that John
Speaker 1: was standing there for that first half, not saying anything
Speaker 1: and not fidgeting. Because John's the biggest figure of all time,
Speaker 1: like me and san Cel, and he didn't think he
Speaker 1: could play that role. And so I think enough time
Speaker 1: has gone past and the fact that you are a
Speaker 1: little bit hesitant, and wouldn't we all be to play Jesus? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's something that should be there.
Speaker 1: And I've always thought that you would be great in
Speaker 1: a musical, and I almost feel like that would be
Speaker 1: so amazing for us as an audience to be able
Speaker 1: to see that theatrical side of you. So I definitely
Speaker 1: think that door should still be wide open to play
Speaker 1: Jesus or to be in a music.
Speaker 2: Can I just play Baby Jesus? Would that be okay?
Speaker 2: Can I just be in a manger the right size?
Speaker 2: Put a dummy in my math and I can just
Speaker 2: sit there and just enjoy the music. I'm curious about
Speaker 2: musicals because I love music. You know, I'm a closet guitarist.
Speaker 2: I play the drums. You know, I've done some singing lessons.
Speaker 2: I put out two songs and one of them got
Speaker 2: to Top five, the top five for about forty seconds.
Speaker 2: It was for charity.
Speaker 1: But what was this I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: It was a song called Driving Home for Christmas, which
Speaker 2: is an old Chris Reea song which I heard of,
Speaker 2: but I did it for the drought when Australia was
Speaker 2: going through those three years of the worst drought then
Speaker 2: living memory, like yeah yeah, And so I did a
Speaker 2: fundraising one for Rural Aid and I sang the song
Speaker 2: and it's you know what. I was surprised. I was
Speaker 2: wonderfully surprised.
Speaker 1: Always the best moments where you're like I was good.
Speaker 2: Because I was terrified, mate, and I'd never sung in
Speaker 2: front of anyone. That's the scariest thing in the world
Speaker 2: is to sing in front of someone else. So I
Speaker 2: went to singing lessons. In fact, it was Sean Farnon's
Speaker 2: backing singer Lindsay who taught me how to sing beautiful man, Wow,
Speaker 2: great details voice in the world, loveliest man. And so
Speaker 2: I was just when I was making family Fit in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: I'd fly down and during my days when I wasn't filming,
Speaker 2: I'd do singing lessons. And then I sort of got
Speaker 2: to put it into this driving Home for Christmas. And
Speaker 2: then I did one other dirty banger, which is which
Speaker 2: was I want to Kiss You all over? Well, I
Speaker 2: want to kiss you well, yeah, you love that, mate,
Speaker 2: and it's it's pretty. It's pretty. My kids put it
Speaker 2: on all the time when we drive to school.
Speaker 1: It's funny, and then they go to school and sing
Speaker 1: that yah worst father ever.
Speaker 2: It's I've always loved that song. And then when the
Speaker 2: idea came to do it, I was like, that is
Speaker 2: so not me that I absolutely have to do this.
Speaker 2: And my kids are like, I love this song, Dad.
Speaker 2: This is about kissing Mum, isn't it, Like yep, yep,
Speaker 2: That's about Dad's love for mom. That's what this song
Speaker 2: is all about.
Speaker 1: And they love it and they love it. The last
Speaker 1: thing I was going to say, we just go back
Speaker 1: it because I feel like it's my job as a
Speaker 1: podcast that I rope us back in because we obviously
Speaker 1: could talk about this embarrassing stuff. Ever, But at this
Speaker 1: point of the competition, can you just tell me who
Speaker 1: you think is going to win? Because, like I I
Speaker 1: feel like it's between you and Courtney, between you and Shame.
Speaker 1: But I mean, who do you think is going to
Speaker 1: take this competition out?
Speaker 2: Ricky Lee is her little face when she dances is glorious, lack.
Speaker 2: I could just watch her perform singing dance because she
Speaker 2: just has something infectious about her and she has an
Speaker 2: enormous following. Everyone loves her. I think you don't need
Speaker 2: to be the Often the best dancer doesn't win this competition.
Speaker 2: I wasn't the best answer when I want it. Back
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, Toby from Human Nature was
Speaker 2: he was far better technically for me than me. He
Speaker 2: applied himself more than I did at the time. But
Speaker 2: I just had a little bit of I do sort
Speaker 2: of one fun, one serious, one cheeky, one serious, and
Speaker 2: I kind of just that was my only sort of
Speaker 2: tactic back then, whereas this time I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put the yards in. If I finish
Speaker 2: this competition, I want to know that I left every
Speaker 2: single ounce of blood, sweat and tears in the dance
Speaker 2: law and that's what I did. Courtney's my father. The
Speaker 2: best dancer. Ricky Lee, I think is the most magnetic,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what I have to offer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I sort of feel like in those three there, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's going to be And those three, I mean,
Speaker 1: unless Abby Chatfeld enters late into the competition and pips
Speaker 1: you at the post, you know.
Speaker 2: I still the day that that snake bitter In the
Speaker 2: semi final of I'm a Celebrity, to get me out
Speaker 2: of here because boy, George I did wonders for her votes.
Speaker 1: How ridiculous one of the contestants been bitten by a snake,
Speaker 1: so now she wins. Not that we're bitter, Not that
Speaker 1: we're bitter.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm dead, I've gone, well.
Speaker 1: Before I let you go. One thing I always ask
Speaker 1: everybody who joins the podcast is what is something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that were as an audience might appreciate
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to see. What's something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. They've dancing with the stars, all stars that
Speaker 1: were as an audience didn't get to see. Maybe not
Speaker 1: anything from that boat party that you had at the very.
Speaker 2: End that was fun. I'll tell you what. That boat
Speaker 2: party that I organized at the end was the scariest
Speaker 2: day of my life because I'd organize us all to
Speaker 2: kind of God, you put so much work and we're
Speaker 2: doing eleven hours a day, right, So I thought, at
Speaker 2: the end of all of that hard work, let's have
Speaker 2: a day at the harbor, celebrate each others, have a
Speaker 2: good time, and dancers can drink. Man particularly the Russian ones.
Speaker 2: I thought, if anyone falls overboard or drowns and dies,
Speaker 2: that's on me because I organized this, so I barely
Speaker 2: touched the glass. I had one half strength Champagne No.
Speaker 2: I had two half sprint strength strength Champagnes and one
Speaker 2: half strength Mehito. Over about eight hours, that was it.
Speaker 2: Because I just I felt like I was the school
Speaker 2: teacher who was responsible for the school excursion and all
Speaker 2: the kids were naughty like it was. It was not
Speaker 2: an enjoyable day for me. But you never been done.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining because it's your boat that you have like
Speaker 1: a life saving outfit. You have the ring ready to
Speaker 1: throw ready, I'm ready to save anyway. I think that's
Speaker 1: the best story that you could possibly have set from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, because I don't think many people know
Speaker 1: that you threw an after party for it. If everyone survived,
Speaker 1: I would let the.
Speaker 2: Mum of a slumber party, who's who clearly didn't want
Speaker 2: anyone to reckonny of the furniture or break any of
Speaker 2: the vases, or not stay up late. I became that person,
Speaker 2: which is also not me, But I just I love
Speaker 2: those guys too much. I didn't want to see anybody
Speaker 2: get into cells into any trouble because I had a
Speaker 2: feeling that paparazzi might have been around, and sure enough
Speaker 2: they were, and sure enough they cover, and sure enough trouble,
Speaker 2: isn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you must get so annoyed with the magazines. I
Speaker 1: mean not that we I mean we're laughing that. I
Speaker 1: just must just when everyone's after you anyway, that's a
Speaker 1: completely intert story, and we're going off on long chat.
Speaker 1: That's a longer chat. That's a different podcast as well,
Speaker 1: because I reckon I'm the right person for it. But
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being able to take the
Speaker 1: time out and have a chat and talk about the show.
Speaker 1: And I'll be forever in your audience, so you know,
Speaker 1: keep it up.
Speaker 2: That was lovely. I really enjoyed this. Thanks. Thanks mate
Speaker 2: that it was nice to reminisce about some cool stuff
Speaker 2: and talk about some hard stuff too. Appreciate it.