WEBVTT - The wedding-day snub: Osher Günsberg vs Matty J 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.040 You are now entering the court of Judge Gina Leano. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.360 Weddings are a perfect storm for drama and fuse. If 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.800 you have a disagreement that needs to be settled once 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:22.239 and for. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.400 All, you come to my courtroom. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.320 I am Judge Gina, and my decision is final. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.560 You better be ready to hear my ruling. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.239 A wedding is a celebration of a couple's love in 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.000 front of their nearest and dearest. But what if you 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.720 find out you're not near or dear, but rather distant 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:47.280 and uninvited. Osha Ginsburg has brought Mattie J before Judge Gina, 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.360 claiming compensation for a wedding day snub. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.400 My name is Osha Ginsburg, and you know me as 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.800 the man who's the reason that Maddy J has love 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.200 and children. So like, Sometimes camp flowers in a very 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.640 whispery voice, and sometimes I scream take it off to 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.040 a giant anthropomorphic popcorn machine. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.520 My name is Matti J. Most people would know me 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.639 from The Bachelor, also social media. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.040 Probably I've known Mady J since oh goodness, I'd say 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.800 twenty sixteen. We were quite close working together on various 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:21.800 forms of television. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.039 I first met on the set of The Bachelorette. We 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.680 then became closer during the filming of The Bachelor, which 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:29.520 was the following year. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.920 I want Judge Gena because I want justice. This is 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.920 an ongoing problem in my career. I have been denied 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.520 recognition for my work in providing the launching pad for careers, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.640 for wise for kids, for husbands. Just hey, thanks, No, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.800 I want way more than that. I want justice. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.640 I've been summoned today with Judge Gina because I've had 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.880 some horrific allegations made against me by Usher. I'm here 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:06.320 to defend myself but also to countersuit. Court is now 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.000 in session. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.519 Please rise for Judge China. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:12.880 Mattie j. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.799 You are here today because you did not invite Osher 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:17.720 to your wedding. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:18.919 Is that correct? 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.960 That's correct? Yes? 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:21.160 When were you married? 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.520 November of last year, Dark Day. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.120 And you married your love of your. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.000 Life, no doubt, Laura, correct, Yes, And you met Laura 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:34.320 on The Bachelor in twenty seventeen, where Asher was actually 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.639 the host of that show, The Bachelor, so technically he 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.360 introduced you to the love of your life and you 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.640 were married last year. And I understand Asher that you're 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.640 quite disappointed that Mattie failed to invite you to his wedding? 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.440 Is that right? Is that your claim. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.160 Today disappointments a small word for it. The buck eventually 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.160 has this top at some point you have to I mean, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.520 did I get invited to Tim and Anna's wedding? No? 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.400 Get invited to Sam and Snaz's wedding? No? Did I 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.000 get invited to Georgie? No? Did I get invited to 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.240 Locke's No? Somewhere I've got to stand up for myself. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.280 Okay, So this one has obviously impacted a little bit 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:14.880 more hurtful. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:16.800 I haven't heard this much since Matt Corby forgot that 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.560 he was ever on Australian Night. There you go and 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.800 a couple of tattoos. Get a felt that all right? 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.000 So let's just stick with what's happening so that we 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.200 can so that I can just get my head around 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.640 what it is that you're wanting. So you're wanting me 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.160 to agree with you today that in actual fact, you 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.680 should have been invited to the wedding, And how would 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.960 you like me to compensate you for that? 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.200 I think a significant act of contrition that would show 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:49.200 meaningfully show that it was a mistake and both Maddie 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:54.320 and Laura by association are sorry? Is that a professional 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.280 not some sort of you know, dodgy, I've got an 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.560 app on my phone, but a professional retoucher insert me 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.160 into their wedding photos as if I was there on 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.360 the day. Extra points if there's some sort of deep 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.680 fake version of me in a bit of video. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.360 So you want to be sorry, Mattie Jay, I'll get 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.240 to you. So you want to be inserted into Maddie 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.400 J and Laura's wedding video and photos? 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.280 Is that not just that I want significant not just cursory, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:24.560 significant exposure on their social channel sees with a public apology. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.320 And is that so the public apology would come, and 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.640 the compensation is that they've inserted you, and they would 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.320 make that public. They would let people know that this 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.960 is their way of compensating you, by order of Judge Gina, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.920 that you've now been inserted into their videos, so their 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.720 memories are filled with not your absence, but with your presence. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.920 All right now, Maddie. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.760 J, can I just ask one quick question? 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:57.200 No, we're not asking No, we're not asking questions. I'm 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.640 going to ask you some questions first of all, and 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:06.240 then going to unpack this. So you've obviously not invited. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:07.920 To your wedding. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.719 What's your reason for not inviting him? Obviously you're liberty 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.520 to invite or not invite people. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.960 Can you explain why you. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.960 Did not invite someone that you would consider a friend? 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.200 And I understand that you have quite a lengthy relationship 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.400 with Asher, which is you've ruled off a lot of 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.919 other names whose weddings you haven't been invited to. But 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.159 in your application you talk about the fact that you've 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.040 spent a lot of time together. You've even had lunch 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.800 with Maddie and his mom, just Maddie's mom, just with 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:42.600 Maddie's mom. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.480 There you go, or in a foreign country. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.240 Maddie may not be happy about that. We'll get into that. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.360 She just read a prayer love It was in Bali. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.880 What's your reason for not inviting him? 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.520 Well, look, Genia, this is quite an emotional story. So 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.240 if I do express any emotion, if I start crying, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:00.560 I just want to apologies right now. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.719 In an adjection he's leading the judge. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.280 Well, I don't know if you need to apologize in advance. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.719 Go on. Well, the story dates back a number of years, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.760 actually before the Bachelor had commenced, and this is also 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.560 part of the reason why I would like to counter 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.560 suit for emotional damage. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.440 Well, I'll get to that in a moment, but I'd 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.599 like to know what you say about not inviting and 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.920 then I'll get to your counterclaim. But what do you 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.320 say about not inviting Osher to your wedding? 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.920 Well, the reason is Osher was the person responsible. He 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:40.440 was involved in the public heartbreak of myself on a 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.400 show prior to the Bachelor one year before The Bachelor, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.719 called The Bachelorette. He was very complicit in that heartbreak 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.000 and at no point at all did he try to 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.320 help me in that situation. And I guess from that 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.560 I felt the foundation of our friendship is one that 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:04.839 has been built on harassment, shame, all stemming from involvement 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:05.240 on the show. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.520 Isn't that what you're signing up for when you sign 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.360 up for reality TV? I remember in Housewives, I signed 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.520 a contract that said I agreed to be embarrassed, humiliated, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.840 disparaged and brought into disrepute. Surely you had a condition 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.520 not unlike that. So why is that OSHA's fault? 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.920 Gin know we had very different contracts because I would 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.520 never have signed up for a show that would have 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.280 allowed those elements. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.120 Well, I think you didn't read your contract. I think 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.240 it's pretty standard in reality TV. And why is Itsh's fault? 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.120 Well, as the host, he is the puppet master of 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:40.679 the show. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.720 So you felt that you were hurt in the twenty 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:49.480 sixteen episode where you've appeared as one of the bachelors 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.559 on the Bachelorette Show? 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.280 Is that right? And that was with Georgie Love? Is 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.200 that right? Back in two thousand and sixty? 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.600 And what do you say happened that that caused you 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.360 to have have this grief from Usher? 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:03.040 What did he do? 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.520 He was an enabler of this heartbreak to happen. He 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.080 was one of the core figures. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.680 What was the heartbreak? You weren't chosen, that's correct, I 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.640 was runner up. Okay, So how is that Usher's fault? 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.280 Well, I just think the fact that as the host 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.320 of the show, he is the person that enabled this 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.960 to happen and allowed it to happen. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.800 I'm really so honestly, I'm going to deject here your honor. Honestly, Maddie, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.880 I'm really really sorry that I broke into your house 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.360 unlocked your laptop with your past code, unlocked your email 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.600 with that pass code, and then wrote and filled out 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.600 the Bachelorette application form and sent it and then snuck 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.840 out like I'm so sorry. If you see someone, I 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.240 want you to get onto a plane and then come 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.959 to sit. If you see soon drowning, I've pushed you. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:52.679 Do you give them a hand and pull them out 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.640 of the water or do you allow them to sink 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.839 to the bottom and die? What do you do? 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.760 I narrate it? Have you not seen BONDI rescue? 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.280 I just want to ask you, osher what do you 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.679 say about what Maddie Jay's saying. Do you agree that 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.280 you fail you let him drown or however he's described. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.400 I completely like if it pleases the court, I'd like 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.560 to bring brand new evidence to light, and that is 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.680 that Maddie is completely forgetting. The moment where he made 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.280 his way down from the rooftop, there was a long 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.840 corridor with which he walked out of the evening. The 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.240 person who was looking after him is full time producer. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:30.160 They were walking past the door. I was by that point, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.920 I've been out of my suit, I was in my citvies. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.920 I said, I'm sorry, man, this was behind the scenes 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.240 and we were hugged and we even did that. It's 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.560 going to be okay in front of twenty thirty people. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:42.959 I'm happy to provide witnesses. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.400 So it was all for show, was it? Is that 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.520 what you're trying to say? It was performative. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.079 So, Maddie Jay, do you agree that you were comforted 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:50.840 by Osher? 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.800 I don't recall, Okay, So that means you can't object 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.000 to what he's saying, So I'll accept his evidence. So 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.400 you comforted him, So so tell me what else, Maddi Jay, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.640 apart from what you don't recall, what else do you 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.400 say is happening that has caused you emotional harm? 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.400 Well? I guess following the Bachelorette, we did have another 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.640 relationship off the back of the Bachelor where he then 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.040 Osher introduced me to my wife, which I appreciate, no 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.800 questions about that. However, Osha was the first person to 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.640 get married. Is it two thousand and sixteen? I believe 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.199 that you married your wife Audrey. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.520 At the end of twenty sixteen? 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.760 Yes, okay? Can I ask Osher a question? Was I 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:36.800 invited to that wedding? 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.199 Were you invited to my wedding? 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.559 I know, Sorry, I'm going to stop. That's not how 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.800 it's going to work here today. You guys need to 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.680 talk to me. You know the answer, so it's not 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.559 a question. You can say to me, I was not 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.760 invited to OSHA's wedding, because you know that already. You 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.480 don't need to ask him that question. So you can 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.080 say to me, your honor, I was not invited to 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.560 that wedding, And I will say, is that right? He 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.440 was not invited to the wedding? And I will then 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.880 say to you, Maddie Jay, Well, you only met Osher 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:06.319 that year. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:06.920 Is that right? 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.400 Because you recorded that show in twenty sixteen, so it 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.319 may have even occurred prior to that meeting. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.240 That's correct, Yes, Okay, So. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.840 I wouldn't find it unusual that someone wouldn't invite a 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.640 new friend, new acquaintance to a wedding when they don't 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.520 have much of a history. However, when you married, you 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:35.400 had quite a history there. You had befriended Osher, Is 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.360 that right? You'd befriended him, You had worked with him 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:39.640 on two shows. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.719 I don't share my number with every guy that's a bachelor. Okay, aha, So. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.480 You had worked with him on two shows. You'd work 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.160 with him. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.400 On the bachelo Esh and The Bachelor where you met 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:52.439 your wife. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.240 And mother of his children. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.960 To me, it's tit for tat, Oh, it was tit 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:56.560 for tat. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.120 Well, he didn't invite me. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.160 So what I will ask you then, is there when 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.240 Asher was married according to your recollection, did you have 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.320 a history with him? 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:06.880 Correct? 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.880 Yes, what was your history with him? At Osher's wedding? 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.880 It was the season of the Bachelorette, and so. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.559 You weren't best of friends at that stage. I'm guessing 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.840 because Maddie Jay, you're telling me that you actually had 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.360 emotional damage at the conclusion of that show. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.280 So why would Osher invite you to his wedding? 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.520 Well, to me, the fact that I wasn't invited, it 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.320 just further highlighted the fact that Osher didn't care about me. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.080 Yeah, well, he probably didn't. That's a tough pill to swallow. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.400 It's probably the truth. But then your relationships evolved. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.720 Well he can be because your relationship evolved because whilst 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.560 you were swallowing that tough pill, you also got a 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.560 gig as the bachelor on the next season, and Osher 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.120 made good. He introduced you to your wife, who is 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.079 now you now married too with two children. Was anybody 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.560 else from the show or anyone else from that season 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.760 where you've met your wife invited to your wedding? 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.720 They were, However, they didn't have any wedding justification. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:06.160 No. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.600 Two two and what were their roles in that show? 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.760 One was a makeup artist and one was a production assistant. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.040 Excuse me, Jena, can you ask can you clarify whose 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.640 makeup artist this person was? 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.960 Well? That is that relevant? Whose makeup artist? 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:23.600 I don't see any relevance in that question. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.320 I think I'm asking you. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.800 I'd like to know. I think that is relevant. Whose 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:32.760 makeup artist was it? It was OSHA's makeup artist. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.800 Correct, it's makeup artist. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:36.760 Makeup artist. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.880 So I think that you were actually trying to have 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.120 a dig at him and trying to cause some emotional 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.200 damage there. Osher, I'm going to ask you this question. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.800 Did you want to go to his wedding or is 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:51.920 this just sport? Were you seriously disappointed in not being invited? 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.400 Because when my friends go to the snow or you know, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.640 do something that I'm not interested in, I have zero 0:13:59.000 --> 0:13:59.680 care factor? 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:00.800 Did you care? 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.400 I was not upset that I wasn't invited to the 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.319 wedding of Maddie and Laura, because by that point I've 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.120 done a lot of work and I have built some 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.160 very healthy emotional boundaries and what people and don't choose 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.800 to do is fine by me. It's okay they can 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:17.360 do that if they do. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.960 I want to know today the situation. Were you upset 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.520 at the time. I want to know your from your 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.360 memory today. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.840 For about the space of a breath, I felt it. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.640 I felt the pang. And then as the photos followed 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.760 me by some horrific meta pixel all around the internet 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.000 and you were absent, I wasn't in them, and as 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.080 my mates who were there texted me how great it was. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.280 I was able to work on that emotional resilience that 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:46.240 I had built up. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.120 And did you how did you work on that? Did 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:49.120 you have counseling? 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.240 I made lemons out of lemonade and I used every 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:53.840 one of those. I treated it like a dead lift. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.880 I'm like, I'm strengthening my prosterior train. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.080 Okay, so it was a bit stiff. It wasn't a 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.400 nice thing for friend to do. But I want to 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.720 ask you, so when you actually say that you had 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.640 lunch with Maddie's mom, yes, tell me about that was 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.000 that before the wedding or after. I want to know 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.440 where the friendship was at. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.880 Oh, this is before the wedding, and this is right 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.480 after Maddie and Laura. I traveled to another foreign country 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.440 to help him find life. So twice I've flashed my 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.760 passport to help this man. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.000 Okay, So I want to stick with what's happened here, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.680 but I might come back to that in a moment. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.960 So I was in a small island off the bottom 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.960 of the Indonesian archipelago Bali. I think his house pronounced, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.680 and my wife and I were there at the time, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:44.520 and I spotted Maddie's mom and oh, they spotted them 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:44.960 on breakfast. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.000 So you had a nice lunch together. It was delightful, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.760 lovely an meet up, it was. It sounds like that 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.600 to me as well. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.640 But I would tell that to my son as well, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:55.920 so he didn't feel jealous. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:56.960 Okay. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.200 So the friendship was such that you were comfortable enough 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.160 that you knew Mattie Jay's mum and you could have 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:03.720 lunch with it. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.080 This is a level of intimacy that I have with 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.280 the families of the people that make it to the 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.280 end of these shows. I actually care about their hearts. Gina, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.880 All right, you've had an experience in reality television. I 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:14.760 actually give a shit. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.280 And this was before the wedding. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.480 Yeah, before his wedding. 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.640 So you actually were friends for five years? Is that right? 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.120 Five long and five long years? Quiet heartbreaking years? 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.680 Now, yeah, so you felt that you were part of 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.680 the family almost. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.240 We're all from Brisbane, were from the same part of Brisbane. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.200 So in that five years after the bachelotte, did you 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.560 catch up? Did you socialize together as much as you could? 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.840 The interaction would would have been minimal. I believe in 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.880 twenty twenty two, Gina, the only interaction that osher had 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.800 was a brief meeting, which would have taken place around 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.880 the sixteenth of May. Osha and I we did do 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.000 a social media video together and that was purely a 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.960 transactional interaction. It was just it was purely business. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.160 Oh really, if it's business, how much did I get paid? 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.760 You didn't get paid in terms of a monetary value. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.159 What you received is the end product of a video. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.359 We shot it in a supermarket. Can I go to 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.240 that supermarket and go, I've got the end product of 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.119 this video to pay for my groceries? 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.040 It talks is that video sitting. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.040 On commissioned that Who commissioned that video, Who was the 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:21.800 instigator of that video? 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:22.920 What was the purpose of it? 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.360 I was it was just a comedic skit that sat 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:26.280 on our social. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.800 Media, right, And so when you say our social media, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.600 yours and ashes. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.359 Yes, it's a collaboration. So it currently sits on my 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.119 page as well as Osher's page as well. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.520 So what else do you do together? Apart from one 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:38.520 skit together? 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.000 In May? Do you do a podcast together? 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:41.399 Do you? 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.840 That was it? I appeared on dad pod? 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:44.399 You did? 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:45.960 Are they the year prior? 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:46.720 Yes? 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.560 And so in my eyes, Gina, if I can just 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.800 say one quick point for a second, because I believe 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.800 Osher has had more than adequate time on the microphone 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:59.200 putting his points across in my eyes, given the fact 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.639 that I wasn't in added to his wedding and in 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.159 the two years prior to my wedding taken place, the 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.560 only interaction that Osher and I had was a being 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.920 on dad pod and second to that was doing one 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.920 social media interaction. I tried to reach out in other 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.760 situations and unfortunately a meetup never occurred outside of those 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:21.520 two occasions. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:22.880 But were you You're in Sydney. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.480 We live two hundred and fifty two meters from each other. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.840 Right, seven hundred it's seven hundred. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.400 Okay, but all the more to the point, you lived 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.840 seven hundred meters apart. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.160 That's just coincidence. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.919 You didn't decide to become neighbors deliberately because you were 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.159 best of friends. This has come about by coincidence. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.680 I would say, now, I moved. I moved house because 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.120 I wanted to build on the friendship that we had. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.240 I went, I was trying, did you move friendship a chance? 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.960 And yet all I could do. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.800 And I believe that when did you move. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.440 Would have been January two thousand and twenty two. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.679 And when did you get married? 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.000 November of twenty twenty two. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.760 And so you say that even moving house for that 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.399 ten month period of time, that it didn't cultivate the 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.280 friendship beyond where it had been earlier. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.280 Gina, I tried. I was the one who instigated this video, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.960 the social media video taking place. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:23.080 Can I say, just very respectfully, yes, Osha has a 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.040 much bit high profile than what you do. And Osha 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.600