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Speaker 1: You are now entering the court of Judge Gina Leano.

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Speaker 2: Weddings are a perfect storm for drama and fuse. If

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Speaker 2: you have a disagreement that needs to be settled once

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Speaker 2: and for.

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Speaker 3: All, you come to my courtroom.

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Speaker 2: I am Judge Gina, and my decision is final.

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Speaker 3: You better be ready to hear my ruling.

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Speaker 1: A wedding is a celebration of a couple's love in

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Speaker 1: front of their nearest and dearest. But what if you

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Speaker 1: find out you're not near or dear, but rather distant

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Speaker 1: and uninvited. Osha Ginsburg has brought Mattie J before Judge Gina,

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Speaker 1: claiming compensation for a wedding day snub.

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Speaker 4: My name is Osha Ginsburg, and you know me as

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Speaker 4: the man who's the reason that Maddy J has love

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Speaker 4: and children. So like, Sometimes camp flowers in a very

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Speaker 4: whispery voice, and sometimes I scream take it off to

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Speaker 4: a giant anthropomorphic popcorn machine.

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Speaker 5: My name is Matti J. Most people would know me

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Speaker 5: from The Bachelor, also social media.

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Speaker 4: Probably I've known Mady J since oh goodness, I'd say

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. We were quite close working together on various

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Speaker 4: forms of television.

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Speaker 5: I first met on the set of The Bachelorette. We

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Speaker 5: then became closer during the filming of The Bachelor, which

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Speaker 5: was the following year.

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Speaker 4: I want Judge Gena because I want justice. This is

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Speaker 4: an ongoing problem in my career. I have been denied

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Speaker 4: recognition for my work in providing the launching pad for careers,

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Speaker 4: for wise for kids, for husbands. Just hey, thanks, No,

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Speaker 4: I want way more than that. I want justice.

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Speaker 5: I've been summoned today with Judge Gina because I've had

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Speaker 5: some horrific allegations made against me by Usher. I'm here

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Speaker 5: to defend myself but also to countersuit. Court is now

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Speaker 5: in session.

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Speaker 1: Please rise for Judge China.

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Speaker 3: Mattie j.

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Speaker 2: You are here today because you did not invite Osher

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Speaker 2: to your wedding.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: That's correct? Yes?

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Speaker 3: When were you married?

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Speaker 5: November of last year, Dark Day.

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Speaker 3: And you married your love of your.

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Speaker 2: Life, no doubt, Laura, correct, Yes, And you met Laura

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Speaker 2: on The Bachelor in twenty seventeen, where Asher was actually

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Speaker 2: the host of that show, The Bachelor, so technically he

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Speaker 2: introduced you to the love of your life and you

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Speaker 2: were married last year. And I understand Asher that you're

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Speaker 2: quite disappointed that Mattie failed to invite you to his wedding?

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Is that your claim.

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Speaker 4: Today disappointments a small word for it. The buck eventually

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Speaker 4: has this top at some point you have to I mean,

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Speaker 4: did I get invited to Tim and Anna's wedding? No?

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Speaker 4: Get invited to Sam and Snaz's wedding? No? Did I

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Speaker 4: get invited to Georgie? No? Did I get invited to

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Speaker 4: Locke's No? Somewhere I've got to stand up for myself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this one has obviously impacted a little bit

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Speaker 2: more hurtful.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard this much since Matt Corby forgot that

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Speaker 4: a couple of tattoos. Get a felt that all right?

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Speaker 2: So let's just stick with what's happening so that we

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Speaker 2: can so that I can just get my head around

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Speaker 2: what it is that you're wanting. So you're wanting me

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Speaker 2: to agree with you today that in actual fact, you

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Speaker 2: should have been invited to the wedding, And how would

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Speaker 2: you like me to compensate you for that?

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Speaker 4: I think a significant act of contrition that would show

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Speaker 4: meaningfully show that it was a mistake and both Maddie

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Speaker 4: and Laura by association are sorry? Is that a professional

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Speaker 4: not some sort of you know, dodgy, I've got an

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Speaker 4: app on my phone, but a professional retoucher insert me

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Speaker 4: the day. Extra points if there's some sort of deep

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Speaker 2: So you want to be sorry, Mattie Jay, I'll get

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Speaker 2: to you. So you want to be inserted into Maddie

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Speaker 4: Is that not just that I want significant not just cursory,

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Speaker 4: significant exposure on their social channel sees with a public apology.

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Speaker 2: And is that so the public apology would come, and

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Speaker 2: the compensation is that they've inserted you, and they would

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Speaker 2: make that public. They would let people know that this

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Speaker 2: is their way of compensating you, by order of Judge Gina,

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Speaker 2: that you've now been inserted into their videos, so their

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Speaker 2: memories are filled with not your absence, but with your presence.

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Speaker 2: All right now, Maddie.

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Speaker 5: J, can I just ask one quick question?

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Speaker 2: No, we're not asking No, we're not asking questions. I'm

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Speaker 2: then going to unpack this. So you've obviously not invited.

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Speaker 3: To your wedding.

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Speaker 2: What's your reason for not inviting him? Obviously you're liberty

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Speaker 3: Can you explain why you.

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Speaker 2: Did not invite someone that you would consider a friend?

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Speaker 2: And I understand that you have quite a lengthy relationship

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Speaker 2: with Asher, which is you've ruled off a lot of

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Speaker 2: in your application you talk about the fact that you've

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time together. You've even had lunch

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Speaker 2: Maddie's mom.

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Speaker 4: There you go, or in a foreign country.

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Speaker 3: Maddie may not be happy about that. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 4: She just read a prayer love It was in Bali.

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Speaker 3: What's your reason for not inviting him?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, Genia, this is quite an emotional story. So

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Speaker 5: if I do express any emotion, if I start crying,

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Speaker 5: I just want to apologies right now.

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Speaker 4: In an adjection he's leading the judge.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if you need to apologize in advance.

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Speaker 5: Go on. Well, the story dates back a number of years,

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Speaker 5: actually before the Bachelor had commenced, and this is also

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Speaker 5: part of the reason why I would like to counter

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Speaker 5: suit for emotional damage.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll get to that in a moment, but I'd

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Speaker 2: like to know what you say about not inviting and

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Speaker 2: then I'll get to your counterclaim. But what do you

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Speaker 5: Well, the reason is Osher was the person responsible. He

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Speaker 5: was involved in the public heartbreak of myself on a

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Speaker 5: called The Bachelorette. He was very complicit in that heartbreak

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Speaker 5: and at no point at all did he try to

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what you're signing up for when you sign

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Speaker 2: disparaged and brought into disrepute. Surely you had a condition

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Speaker 2: not unlike that. So why is that OSHA's fault?

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Speaker 5: Gin know we had very different contracts because I would

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you didn't read your contract. I think

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Speaker 2: it's pretty standard in reality TV. And why is Itsh's fault?

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Speaker 5: Well, as the host, he is the puppet master of

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Speaker 2: So you felt that you were hurt in the twenty

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Speaker 3: Is that right? And that was with Georgie Love? Is

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Speaker 3: that right? Back in two thousand and sixty?

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Speaker 2: And what do you say happened that that caused you

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Speaker 3: What did he do?

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Speaker 5: He was an enabler of this heartbreak to happen. He

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Speaker 2: What was the heartbreak? You weren't chosen, that's correct, I

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Speaker 2: was runner up. Okay, So how is that Usher's fault?

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Speaker 5: Well, I just think the fact that as the host

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Speaker 4: I'm really so honestly, I'm going to deject here your honor. Honestly, Maddie,

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Speaker 4: I'm really really sorry that I broke into your house

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Speaker 4: out like I'm so sorry. If you see someone, I

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Speaker 4: to sit. If you see soon drowning, I've pushed you.

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Speaker 5: Do you give them a hand and pull them out

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Speaker 4: I narrate it? Have you not seen BONDI rescue?

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you, osher what do you

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Speaker 2: say about what Maddie Jay's saying. Do you agree that

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Speaker 2: you fail you let him drown or however he's described.

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Speaker 4: I completely like if it pleases the court, I'd like

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Speaker 4: to bring brand new evidence to light, and that is

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Speaker 4: that Maddie is completely forgetting. The moment where he made

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Speaker 4: his way down from the rooftop, there was a long

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Speaker 4: They were walking past the door. I was by that point,

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Speaker 4: I've been out of my suit, I was in my citvies.

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm sorry, man, this was behind the scenes

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Speaker 4: and we were hugged and we even did that. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be okay in front of twenty thirty people.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to provide witnesses.

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Speaker 5: So it was all for show, was it? Is that

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Speaker 3: So, Maddie Jay, do you agree that you were comforted

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Speaker 2: I don't recall, Okay, So that means you can't object

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Speaker 2: to what he's saying, So I'll accept his evidence. So

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Speaker 2: you comforted him, So so tell me what else, Maddi Jay,

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Speaker 2: apart from what you don't recall, what else do you

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Speaker 5: Well? I guess following the Bachelorette, we did have another

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Speaker 5: relationship off the back of the Bachelor where he then

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Speaker 5: Osher introduced me to my wife, which I appreciate, no

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Speaker 5: questions about that. However, Osha was the first person to

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Speaker 5: get married. Is it two thousand and sixteen? I believe

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Speaker 5: that you married your wife Audrey.

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Speaker 4: At the end of twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay? Can I ask Osher a question? Was I

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Speaker 5: invited to that wedding?

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Speaker 4: Were you invited to my wedding?

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Speaker 2: I know, Sorry, I'm going to stop. That's not how

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Speaker 2: it's going to work here today. You guys need to

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Speaker 2: talk to me. You know the answer, so it's not

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Speaker 2: a question. You can say to me, I was not

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Speaker 2: don't need to ask him that question. So you can

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Speaker 2: say to me, your honor, I was not invited to

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Speaker 2: that wedding, And I will say, is that right? He

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Speaker 2: was not invited to the wedding? And I will then

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Speaker 2: say to you, Maddie Jay, Well, you only met Osher

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Because you recorded that show in twenty sixteen, so it

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Speaker 2: may have even occurred prior to that meeting.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, Yes, Okay, So.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't find it unusual that someone wouldn't invite a

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Speaker 4: I don't share my number with every guy that's a bachelor. Okay, aha, So.

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Speaker 3: You had worked with him on two shows. You'd work

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Speaker 4: And mother of his children.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's tit for tat, Oh, it was tit

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Speaker 5: Well, he didn't invite me.

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Speaker 5: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, what was your history with him? At Osher's wedding?

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Speaker 5: It was the season of the Bachelorette, and so.

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Speaker 2: You weren't best of friends at that stage. I'm guessing

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Speaker 3: So why would Osher invite you to his wedding?

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Speaker 5: Well, to me, the fact that I wasn't invited, it

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Speaker 3: It's probably the truth. But then your relationships evolved.

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Speaker 2: Well he can be because your relationship evolved because whilst

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Speaker 5: They were, However, they didn't have any wedding justification.

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Speaker 3: Well? That is that relevant? Whose makeup artist?

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Speaker 2: Because when my friends go to the snow or you know,

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Speaker 3: Did you care?

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Speaker 4: I was not upset that I wasn't invited to the

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Speaker 2: I want to know today the situation. Were you upset

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Speaker 4: For about the space of a breath, I felt it.

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Speaker 3: And did you how did you work on that? Did

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Speaker 4: I made lemons out of lemonade and I used every

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm strengthening my prosterior train.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is before the wedding, and this is right

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Speaker 4: after Maddie and Laura. I traveled to another foreign country

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to stick with what's happened here,

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Speaker 2: So you had a nice lunch together. It was delightful,

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Speaker 4: But I would tell that to my son as well,

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Speaker 2: So the friendship was such that you were comfortable enough

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Speaker 4: This is a level of intimacy that I have with

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Speaker 4: All right, you've had an experience in reality television. I

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Speaker 3: And this was before the wedding.

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Speaker 3: So you actually were friends for five years? Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Five long and five long years? Quiet heartbreaking years?

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so you felt that you were part of

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Speaker 4: We're all from Brisbane, were from the same part of Brisbane.

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Speaker 5: The interaction would would have been minimal. I believe in

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Speaker 4: Oh really, if it's business, how much did I get paid?

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Speaker 5: You didn't get paid in terms of a monetary value.

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Speaker 4: We shot it in a supermarket. Can I go to

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Speaker 3: What was the purpose of it?

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Speaker 2: Media, right, And so when you say our social media,

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's a collaboration. So it currently sits on my

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Speaker 3: In May? Do you do a podcast together?

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Speaker 4: Do you?

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Speaker 5: That was it? I appeared on dad pod?

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Speaker 4: You did?

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Speaker 5: Are they the year prior?

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Speaker 5: And so in my eyes, Gina, if I can just

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Speaker 3: But were you You're in Sydney.

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Speaker 4: We live two hundred and fifty two meters from each other.

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Speaker 5: Right, seven hundred it's seven hundred.

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Speaker 3: That's just coincidence.

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Speaker 5: I would say, now, I moved. I moved house because

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Speaker 5: I went, I was trying, did you move friendship a chance?

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Speaker 5: And yet all I could do.

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Speaker 3: And I believe that when did you move.

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Speaker 3: And when did you get married?

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Speaker 2: And so you say that even moving house for that

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Speaker 5: Gina, I tried. I was the one who instigated this video,

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Speaker 2: Can I say, just very respectfully, yes, Osha has a

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Speaker 3: You would get more out of Osha.

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Speaker 2: Being in your video than Osher would get out of

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Speaker 3: You'd have to agree with that.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would question that in terms of social media,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how active Osher is on social media.

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Speaker 4: I ain't paying the bills doing it. Maddie works real hard.

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Speaker 2: What you've told me is that you've tried to work

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Speaker 3: So I think that you're just a little bit of

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Speaker 2: You know, PEPs is a little bit of an unrequired

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Speaker 3: Would that be fair to say no?

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Speaker 5: Because no, Genny, you mentioned earlier that it was a

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Speaker 5: And then following that, I thought, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: But yet you didn't invite him to your wedding, so

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Speaker 5: Off the back of the interaction in May when Osher

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Speaker 2: How did you want him to respond? How were you

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Speaker 2: wanted this friendship, it didn't quite yield what you expected.

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Speaker 2: You've even moved your family into a situation and moved house.

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Speaker 2: You're chasing the friendship.

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Speaker 5: I'm chasing the friendship. I want it. I wanted Gina.

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Speaker 2: That's but the sting at the end was to not

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Speaker 2: invite him to the wedding, and I think that that

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Speaker 2: was a little bit unfair and quite hurtful for Osha

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Speaker 2: and Asher. What you would like is that you'd like

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Speaker 2: to have your head effectively inserted into.

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Speaker 4: Photos. And he did a really good shred for the wedding.

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Speaker 4: So give me a good rig. Yeah, give me a

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Speaker 4: good rig. Put my head on someone who's got a

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Speaker 4: proper rig.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I say you'd like to be superimposed.

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Speaker 5: Like the Men's health photo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, And then where do you want that photo?

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Speaker 2: Do you'd like it to be launched across social media?

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Speaker 4: Would you look like one of their low value kind

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Speaker 4: of channels. I'll be happy with.

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Speaker 2: And Maddie J, your Countess application is that you want

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Speaker 2: Osher to hand deliver roses and chocolates to Laura while

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Speaker 2: she's live on air hosting the three pm pickup?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Call me crazy, but that's what would fix the damage

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Speaker 5: caused by Usher.

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Speaker 3: I suppose this is your way of asking Osha to apologize.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Correct? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to take a moment to deliberate. I'll

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Speaker 3: be back shortly.

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Speaker 1: Judge Gina is deliberating and will soon hand down her verdict.

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Speaker 1: Please do not leave the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I've had a moment to consider both you cases,

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Speaker 2: and I've made a decision.

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Speaker 3: Osher.

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Speaker 2: You've asked that you have yourself inserted into Maddie Jane

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Speaker 2: Laura's wedding video and photos.

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Speaker 4: I'll just take photos.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to make an order that, in actual fact,

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Speaker 2: that you are inserted into Mattie j and Laura's wedding

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Speaker 2: video and photos, and that Mattie J posts that online.

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Speaker 3: That's my first decision.

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to grant what Maddie's asked for, and

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Speaker 2: that is that he would like Osher to hand deliver

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Speaker 2: roses and chocolates to Laura Burn while she's live on

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Speaker 2: air hosting the three pm pickup, and that that is

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Speaker 2: also to be recorded and posted online.

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Speaker 4: You know what, Judge Gina, that would actually be my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: She's a delight.

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Speaker 5: You're so full of.

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Speaker 2: Shit, But I would like for you both to post

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Speaker 2: these things online and make that part of the compensation

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Speaker 2: that you've both been seeking today, and let it be

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Speaker 2: known that this is the retribution for Maddie j failing

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Speaker 2: to invite Osher to your wedding and Osher retribution for

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Speaker 2: failing to step up to the mark as a true

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Speaker 2: friend to Mattie J whilst you were in production of

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Speaker 2: The Bachelor and The Bachelorette.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to walk away with a victory, and I

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Speaker 5: initially came into this conversation thinking if there's anything less

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Speaker 5: than a victory, it'll be a failure. So whilst I

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Speaker 5: didn't lose entirely, I should be happy with the result.

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Speaker 4: If there's one thing that Gina's known for, she's harsh,

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Speaker 4: but she's fair, and I felt today Gena was really

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Speaker 4: really quite fair.

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Speaker 5: Look, there were times in the conversation with Gina where

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Speaker 5: I feel like OSHA's weight as a personality and a

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Speaker 5: high profile name worked in his favor during this trial.

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Speaker 4: Matt Look, he's younger, more talented, more handsome, so he

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Speaker 4: had that going for him.

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Speaker 5: I didn't expect Gina to be just so stern.

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Speaker 4: I think she handled my very emotional, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: emotionally manipulative opponent pretty well.

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Speaker 5: I think Gina kept me on a pretty tight leash,

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Speaker 5: like I always think that's probably the best way to

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Speaker 5: handle me, because if she gives me an inch, I'll

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Speaker 5: take a mile.

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Speaker 4: I think any couple that's encountered a real kind of

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Speaker 4: difficult moment, like I don't know, I see infidelity or betrayal.

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Speaker 4: As long as they're honest with each other and accept

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Speaker 4: the responsibilities they each have, they've got a chance that

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Speaker 4: they're going to make it. And look, I think we

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Speaker 4: can get over this little speed lump, you know.

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Speaker 5: I look back, and I do want to apologize for

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Speaker 5: Usha not being there. And if I ever get married again,

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Speaker 5: which I hope that I don't, but if it does happen,

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Speaker 5: I promise this is on record. Asher will be there

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Speaker 5: at the ceremony.

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