1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: On today's episode of The Nutrition Couch podcast, I wanted 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: to talk about something that we haven't actually covered before 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast, but it's a concept that I think 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: will resonate with a lot of you, and I've called 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: it a diet resentment, Leanne. It's an often unconscious bias 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: that can basically stop you making progress when you have 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: the goal of weight loss. So what is diet resentment? 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: How do you know if you have it? And how 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: can you identify it as a potential barrier to fallers 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: so you can finally reach the dietary goals that you 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: have with yourself. Hi, I'm Susie Burrow and I'm Lin Wood, 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: and each week we bring you The Nutrition Couch, the 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: bi weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: everything that you need to know in the world of 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: nutrition as well as diet resentment. Leeann says, everything that 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: we need to know about soups. Now, it's getting a 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: little bit cooler outside, and our listener question is about 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: the latest energy drink, Craze Prime. So I'll move straight 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: into it, Leanne, because you and I have had a 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: little chap off air and agree that it's something that's 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: popped up and I sort of had just been pondering 22 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: it up in depending a book on Perry, which is 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: actually going to come out very soon, so I know 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: our listens will be excited about that, and I just 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: wanted to put a title around this presentation that I 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: do see with a lot of my clients who are 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: women in their forties and fifties, which is of course 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: primarily the group of women that I work with. And 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: the best way I could describe it is that there's 30 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: almost annoyance that they have do or want to lose weight. 31 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: So they come onto a program and they message and 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: they're desperate for an appointment, and they sign up, and 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: we have the first sort of initial appointment where we 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: go through their diet and develop a personalized meal plan, 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: as you do with clients that is tailored to their 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: dietary preferences and lifestyle with the goal of getting them 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: to their goal weight. And we start the program and 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: the first couple of sessions go really well, and then 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: we get to a point where things get a little 40 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: bit tricky, so life may have been a little bit 41 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: difficult and they haven't necessarily done their diary, or they 42 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: start to shift the appointment times around a little bit, 43 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: and it's sort of like it's become a bit of 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: a burden to them, even though that we've started with 45 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: this as their goal. And what I noticed is a 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: common theme with this group is that they're often mums, 47 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: busy mums who have cared for children and husbands and 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: partners and parents for five, ten, fifteen, twenty years and 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: they've finally had a moment in their life to look 50 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: at themselves and realize that they're not so happy with 51 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: their body that you know, they haven't exercised as much 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: as they may have needed to, or they've you know, 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: without saying this in a disrespectful way, they've let themselves 54 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: go because they haven't had the time, energy, motivation to 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: self care, which is very common and very difficult for 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: busy women with a lot of demands on their time. 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: And then they've suddenly realized that they've had all these 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: years giving to everybody else and they've actually suffered because 59 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: of it, and now they have to work really hard 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: to reverse that because, let's be honestly, and weight loss, 61 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: particularly weight losses of ten twenty kilos, require a lot 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: of time and attention, and it is hard work. It's 63 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: not always easy, and whilst the first couple of kilos 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: may be easy, it does become harder and you actually 65 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: have to proactively work at it. And so what I 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: wanted to discuss was that if you're someone who perhaps 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: knows that you want to lose weight, or have even 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: tried many times. You may have tried with myself, you 69 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: may have tried with you may have tried many different programs, 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: and then you don't always get there, and basically the 71 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: process is a bit of an annoyance to you. You're 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: a bit annoyed and resentful that you actually have to 73 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: do it at all, that you indeed may have diet resentment. 74 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: And the first thing I would say about that is 75 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: it's perfectly fine, because what is one of the key 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: things to reflect on and acknowledge is that it's okay 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: sometimes to feel that way. It's okay to be angry 78 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: that you have to do something that you don't want 79 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: to do. So, it's okay to be annoyed that you 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: haven't looked after yourself. It's okay to be frustrated with 81 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: the process that it's difficult. But the difference between using 82 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: that energy to move forward or using it as a 83 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: long term excuse why you never move forward is being 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: able to accept why you have that, acknowledge it, and 85 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: then often you're able to move past it and part 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: of it will come. And often when I'm sort of 87 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: asking clients about this, So if this is presenting with 88 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: my clients, and I'll say, look, I have to be 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: honest with you. For one of a better client named Michelle, 90 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you, Michelle, I sense 91 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: that you're annoyed by this, that this program's annoying you, 92 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: that it's frustrating you. Are you feeling like it's frustrating 93 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: and often even just giving permission for clients to say 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: that they're annoyed that they have to do this. You know, 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: it seems like all their friends don't have to work 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: so hard with weight loss, or no one has to 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: go to the gym as often as they do, or 98 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: that don't want to have to say no to things. 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: They feel like it's hard their whole life. They should 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: be able to eat what they want. So some of 101 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: it comes back to some beliefs we may hold about 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: our body and weight. And these beliefs may be things 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: like it's easy for everybody else, I should be able 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: to eat whatever I like and actually start to challenge 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: some of those belief systems, and some of them leand 106 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: may have been formed in early childhood. It may have 107 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: been formed because your mother always put you on a diet. 108 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: When you're a child. 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: It's complex, like all human behavior in psychology, it's complex. 110 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: So what I wanted to leave our listeners here today 111 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: with is that if you know that there's just something 112 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't click, that when you start a program you 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: never finish it, that it always seems too hard, there's 114 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: always an excuse. You're always happy to cancel, You're always 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: happy to say, look, I'm going to put this on 116 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: pause for a while because life's busy. If that is 117 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: a common theme for you, that you never get to 118 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: that point, that may be time to reflect on some 119 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: of these unconscious biases which are telling you that it's 120 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: hard and you're resentful of that. So as soon as 121 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: you acknowledge that, which may be as simple as questioning, 122 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: is it actually true that people don't have to work 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: hard to control their weight? Or why shouldn't you be 124 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: able to eat whatever you want whenever you like? Or well, yeah, 125 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: some people do have to work harder than others to 126 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: lose weight. Because once we reach an awareness of those 127 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: feelings and those beliefs and we can challenge them, that's 128 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: the timely end that we can actually accept and then 129 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: commit to change. And it's a big mindset shift from 130 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: resentment which will block you and hold you back to action, 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: to say, yes, it really does annoy me that I 132 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: have to work hard at this, but the benefits outweigh 133 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 1: the negatives because long term, when I finally do reach 134 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: that goal which has been hard to get to and 135 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: I've had to really work hard with it, once I 136 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: get there, the benefits are there for me and they 137 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: outweigh all of those negatives. So it allows you to 138 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: push through that barrier and actually reach your goals. And 139 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: that's as simple as it is. Awareness, self reflection, acknowledgment, understanding, acceptance, 140 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: and commitment to move forward. And I guarantee you there'll 141 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: be many listeners listening right now that this resonates with 142 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: because if it irritates you when the dietician or the 143 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: doctor or whoever is telling you what to do or 144 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: telling what you have to change, that is a key 145 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: sign that you've got a degree of diet resentment. 146 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think the most important part from 147 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: what you're saying is really that acceptance, because we're not 148 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: telling people you can't be pissed off that you have 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: to work harder to lose weight. We're not saying it's 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: fair because a lot of people do actually have to 151 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: work harder than a lot of other people. And we're 152 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: not saying it's going to be easy either. And I 153 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: always say that to my clients. Susy said, I promise 154 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: you this journey won't be easy, but it will be 155 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: worth it in the end if you stick to it 156 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: and you commit to it. And I think the other 157 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: big thing is as well, like we're wonderful at our jobs. 158 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: We really are, Like we've seen thousands of clients over 159 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: the better part of what ten fifteen for you, maybe 160 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: twenty years, right, But we also don't have a magic 161 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: And I always say to clients, I will work as 162 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: hard as you work because I don't have a magic 163 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: wand and if you don't do the hard work, you 164 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: actually won't get those results long term. So I think 165 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: it's just about accepting that this is hard, This journey 166 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: may be long, it may not always be fun. Other 167 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: people may get there faster, You may have to work 168 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: harder than other people. But once you accept that, like 169 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 2: you said, then you can actually just commit to moving 170 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: forward and you can get on with it. It's like I 171 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: always said to clients, I don't care if you have 172 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: a bad day, but show up even on the bad days. 173 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't expect you to be perfect, but I expect 174 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: you to show up and do the work even if 175 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: you're in a bad mood, even if you've had a 176 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: crappy weekend, even if things feel hard, Because when you 177 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: stop showing up for yourself, that's when you don't achieve 178 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: your goals. So I think it's a really important chat 179 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: that we had today and even just for some people 180 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: reflecting on that. And if you've reflected on it and 181 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: it's made you even more annoyed, perhaps it is time 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: to link in with somebody to actually have a further 183 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: discussion around this, because that diet resentment is what is 184 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: holding you back and it probably will continue to until 185 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: you're ready to actually accept and commit and move forward 186 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: from there. So if you're holding a lot of resentment 187 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: and anger towards the diet or dietitians or your weight 188 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: or whatever, it might be definitely time to reach out 189 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: to someone to discuss further. 190 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'll just say I love what you say 191 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: to clients that this will be hard because when and 192 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: I probably need to say that earlier in the piece 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: as well, because what I think, you start with great 194 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: energy and then when it gets hard, people aren't necessarily 195 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: expecting that. And I said to a client just the 196 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: other day, I said, I know that your instinct is 197 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: to give up and to say this isn't working for me, 198 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: let's press pause. But if you can just push through 199 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: this hard time, you will come out the other side 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: and that will be the key thing that gives you 201 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: the progress, because it's when things are hard that we 202 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: learn and actually adjust. Because people think that there has 203 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: to be a perfect time to diet or lose weight. 204 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: There's never a perfect time. It's about when you focus 205 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: and commit to it. So that's a great reminder that 206 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: when things are hard, and often will say this in 207 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: a psychological session as well, it's if you can sit 208 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: with the discomfort push through it, that is where you're 209 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: going to head to a new place and new momentum. 210 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Whereas dropping out and stopping is the easy thing to do, 211 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: and that's where you start that diet cycle again and again, 212 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind. If it's hard, that's 213 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: the time to lean in. It's not the time to 214 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: drop out. 215 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: To put the foot down and go harder. 216 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and see what you can do to push it forward, 217 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 218 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: Love it all right. Well, changing tracks entirely now, we 219 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: are going to talk about a little bit of soup 220 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: because I live in sunny Brisbane and I love it 221 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: and I'm never leaving, I don't think. So it is 222 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: still pretty warm up here, but I just spent the 223 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: week in Sydney and in two weeks I'm heading down 224 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: to Melbourne and I'm taking my coat because I know 225 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: it's going to be cold. So the weather is getting 226 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot cooler around the country, and so we thought 227 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: it'd be a really good time to talk about soups now, 228 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: not really what soup you should buy, because there's so 229 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: many different ones out there, but we thought we'd kind 230 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: of talk about what are the reasons people might like soup. 231 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: So we're really going to address the topics of soup 232 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: for weight loss, soup and the protein amount soup for mood, 233 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: energy and even immune function, which I think is a 234 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: little bit new and novel as well as susy, So 235 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: I'll kick us off. And I think a lot of 236 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: people are used to sort of having soups for weight loss. 237 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: I mean, there was a whole soup diet was and 238 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: they're like literally a diet built around soups. I think 239 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: many many years ago never did it. Not that be 240 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: a fan of soups, but I think where it specifically 241 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: comes from that soups can be quite low calorie, particularly 242 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: vegetable based soups. I mean veggie bates, brosts and soups 243 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: can easily be well and you know, well under one 244 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: hundred calories. So I'm not a big fan of using 245 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: just a vegetable soup itself for weight loss. Sure you'll 246 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: get quite rapid weight loss, you'll also be very hungry, 247 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: and a lot of that will actually be some muscle 248 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: loss as well, So long term, not a great idea. 249 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: But what's been really cool about vegetable based soups is 250 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: that research has actually shown us that that can reduce 251 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: the overall calorie content or calorie intake of a meal 252 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: by as much of one hundred calories. So if you 253 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: start with a nice veggi based soup, and we're talking 254 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: about you know ingredients such as celery, onion, tomatoes, leaks, 255 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: and spinach, some kale and broccoli, like a lot of 256 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: those big non starchy type vegetables. Those vegetables are really 257 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: high and potassium, like we just mentioned that previous podcast, 258 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: which is a really powerful duretic. It helps to sort 259 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: of rid the body of some of that excess fluid. 260 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 2: So if you're feeling a bit bloated and puffy, and 261 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: you've had a lot of high salt meals, you've been 262 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: eating out a lot recently, you've had a lot of alcohol, 263 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: adding some vegetable based soups into your meals are a 264 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: really great option. And even starting your meal with the 265 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: vegetable soup has actually been shown to reduce the overall 266 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: calorie intake of that meal by as much as one 267 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: hundred calories without even changing that meal. So if you're 268 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: going to go out the pizza or you're going to 269 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: have a chicken palme or whatever it might be, trying 270 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: to start the meal with a really nice, rich, pure 271 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: vegetable based soup and it will automatically fill up your 272 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: tummy to reduce the amount of food that you're actually 273 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: eating in that meal as well. Plus you're getting all 274 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: the added benefits of all the nutrients and fiber from 275 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: the vegetables as well. Now, the other important topic we 276 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: need to cover when it comes to soup sousy is protein, 277 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: because a lot of the soups on the market, whether 278 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: they're cared, whether they're instant, whether they're fresh, can actually 279 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: be very low in protein, even if you looking at 280 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: something like a chicken soup. I've seen my clients on 281 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: me one the other day. She found in woolwors and 282 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: I think it had about four to five grams of 283 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: protein in it, and it was supposed to be a 284 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: whole meal on itself. It was incredibly low in calories, 285 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: and it was very high in sodium, and it was 286 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: very low in protein. So if you're looking for soup 287 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: as a meal component, you absolutely want to be looking 288 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: for protein intakes at a minimum of fifteen grams, ideally 289 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: over twenty grams. So using some of that leaner protein 290 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: like chicken, sometimes a good split pea and ham soup 291 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: can get you up there. And using your beans and 292 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: legumes like a minnestrone with maybe a bit of pasta 293 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: and beans together could be a good idea as well. 294 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: But ideally we really want to see over fifteen to 295 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: twenty grams, and there's not many soups on the market 296 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: SUSI that actually have that, And if you wanted to 297 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: combine that, you might have to have two or three 298 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: pots of some of these soups, which would blow your 299 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: sodium intake through the roof. So we don't really recommend 300 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: having two to three, you know, pots of some of 301 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: these pre made soups because they are so incredibly high 302 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: in sodium. So even having a smaller pot of these soups, 303 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: impairing it with or adding in a little bit of 304 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: extra lean chicken breast or having a tin of salmon 305 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: on the side or something like that, can be a 306 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: really nice way to boost the protein which is going 307 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: to help support you metabolically and help with satiety as well, 308 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: which is really really important whether or not the goal 309 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: is weight loss, so you're not feeling hungry about an 310 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: hour or so after eating it. Now, another thing which 311 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: most people haven't really linked to soup is mood, and 312 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: so there's a big growing body of evidence which is 313 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: really cool showing how got health and mood can be impacted, 314 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: particularly with the style of eating called the Mediterranean diet. 315 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: So we've talked about the Mediterranean approach before, SUSI. It's 316 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: not a diet in the sense that you would do 317 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: it necessarily to lose weight, but it's definitely an approach 318 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: or style of eating that has been shown to have 319 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: really wonderful benefits for general health, cardiac health, and also mood. 320 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: So that's really cool concept there. So really what the 321 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: diet focuses on is a lot of sort of a 322 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: mega three rich fat, so oily fishes, salmon, sardines, that 323 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: sort of thing. So if you can incorporate a little 324 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: bit of a mega three fat into your soups as well, 325 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: A lot of people don't really think about like a 326 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: fish soup or a clam child or anything like that, 327 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: or a salmon based soup, that can be a really 328 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: wonderful way that you can actually start to boost your 329 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: mood through gut health and immunity as well. And then 330 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: the last one, Susie, is really amount of immune function. 331 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people when they get sick, 332 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: one of the first things myself included. I don't know 333 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: if it links me right back to my childhood. I 334 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: just want a little bit of like chicken noodle soup. 335 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: When I was a little my mum used to put 336 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of like sesame oil in there. It 337 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: was delicious. I always whenever I feel myself getting run down, 338 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: I always think, oh, I need some chicken soup. But 339 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: there is actually a little bit of research and science 340 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: to support that, which is really cool. So there was 341 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: research published in the American Journal of Therapeutics that found 342 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: that the molecule in chicken soup which everybody talks about, 343 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: is for your immunity. Carnosine, which is actually found in 344 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: the bones of chicken, helps to fight the immune system 345 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: and the early stages of flu by actually inhibiting the 346 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: migration of infected cells around the body. So you need 347 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: to make sure that your broth is a really good 348 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: quality broth that's been made from animal bones. So a 349 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: lot of these popular broths they're very popular with, like 350 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: the Kido, the Paleo Circle, that sort of thing, they 351 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: aren't inexpensive, So, Susie, that's the thing. I've seen some 352 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: of these good quality type broths based on the animal 353 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: bones going for upwards of ten fifteen dollars. So it's 354 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: not something I would says particularly budget friendly. But if 355 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: you're really looking for soup to boost your immune function. 356 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: You absolutely want to start with a good base of 357 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: bone broth that has been made from you know, boiling 358 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: the animal bones for a long time, because that's where 359 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: were actually going to get some of their clinical benefits 360 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: when we talk about boosting your immunity, and then of 361 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: course we want to positively impact your gut microbiome as well. 362 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: Adding in some of those naturally occurring prebotics like onion, garlic, leak, 363 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: asparagus and that sort of thing can also in turn 364 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: or in time help to boost your gut microbiome, which 365 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: may also help to boost your immune function as well. 366 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of soup. I must admit I 367 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: don't eat it regularly enough generally when I feel like 368 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: I'm coming help with something, I just I don't know, 369 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: I just don't really make it that much. But then 370 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: I guess living in Brisbon, it's nowhere near as cold 371 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: as what sort of camera and Melbourne get to. But 372 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: I know you're a big fan. You've always been a 373 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: big fan of soups, haven't you. 374 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: I do like soup, but I like it to be 375 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: more hearty, and I think one of the messages I 376 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: wanted to share with our listeners today is that if 377 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: soup induces a feeling of deprivation, it's not the right 378 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: meal for you, because I think it is associated indirectly 379 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: with weight loss and vegetables. So I think, sure, if 380 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: you enjoy that and use it, but certainly don't feel 381 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: that you have to include it. It's about finding one 382 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: that's tasty and you enjoy. 383 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: Now. 384 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: I've just been doing some soup trolleys for my Instagram, 385 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: and I'm pleased to say that sure, if you've got 386 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: time and energy to make soup from scratch, you do it. 387 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: By all means, it's really nutritious. But you can also 388 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: find plenty of the tint. Even the cupp of soups 389 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: and most of the pouches are all pretty good. 390 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: Now. 391 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: The only caveat I would give to that is that 392 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: if it goes over a thousand milligrams of sodium, it's 393 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: too high. So I'm definitely looking for one at a 394 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: six eight hundred bi leanne. I bought some cup of 395 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: soups today. I think that were Campbell. One was broccoli 396 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: and cheese like. It was actually pretty clean, ingredient list like. 397 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: It was actually quite a good filler and it was creamy, 398 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: and I liked it as part of a lunch. Having 399 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: that with a toasted sandwich is a great option. So 400 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: I think it's really important that you find the type 401 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: that you enjoy as opposed to feeling like you should 402 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: have it and being, for one of a better word, 403 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: resentful of that. But most of the Tetra packs in 404 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: supermarkets and even the tinder or you can't really go 405 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: wrong with soup. You get a really good dose of veggies. 406 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: I think certainly the bone broth. There is some Tetra 407 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: PACs that are quite affordable and they can be a 408 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: great addition, but don't be scared of making it a 409 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: hearty meal. So that what I wanted to finish on, 410 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: is it if it's a vegetable based type broth or 411 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: a cup of soup like I was just describing to me, 412 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: that's an add on to a meal, it's not a 413 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: meal itself. So I would have that with a toasted sandwich, 414 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: or I would have it with a piece of salmon 415 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: for dinner. You know, I would complete the meal if 416 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: it's more of the soups we've had on before, like 417 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: the Hinds plant protein soup they're more like a meal, 418 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: so then you're getting twenty to thirty grams of protein 419 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: plus a decent amount of carbohydrate. I might serve that 420 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: with one slice of toast or a slice of protein 421 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: toast to complete it. So it's just making sure you're 422 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: using them the right way. And if it's pure veggie, 423 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: you do need to add the rest of the meal 424 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: or you will be hungry. But you know, if you 425 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: do like it. You know, I love things like a 426 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: creamy broccoli soup and the ones like you get in 427 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: the restaurants, which are delicious and probably have a bit 428 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: of cream added. But instead of adding cream, one of 429 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: the tricks I also use is either finishing with a 430 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: sprinkler parmesan or just a spoon of Greek yogurt or 431 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: sour cream through a veggie soup will make it instantly 432 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: really creamy. So there's some great ways to make them 433 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: delicious and tasty and satisfying without loading on the cream. 434 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, just make sure you're picking varieties that you enjoy. 435 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: I love that, and I'll just that one quick tip 436 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: that I have making pumpkin soup because a lot of 437 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: my clients have been asking for pumpkin soup recently, so 438 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: one of the tricks is trying to get a bit 439 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: of protein in there. So I always add it in 440 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 2: of butter beans and blend that through. And my secret 441 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: and gredy for pumpkin soup is a big scoop of 442 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: crunchy peanut butter. It just completes it. I can't tell 443 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: you why, but trust me on it. Make it. Give 444 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: us a shout out on Instagram and let me know. 445 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: But I will just quickly say, having spent a long 446 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: time Susie working in hospitals and dealing with a lot 447 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: of malnutrition, if you've got elderly loved ones who are 448 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: losing muscle mass, who at risk of faoling over, I'm 449 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: talking like grandparents kind of thing. Not you know, fifty sixties, 450 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm talking seventies, eighties, nineties, even eighties nineties. If they're 451 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: just having the traditional soup, well they're splitting like a 452 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: can of soup across two meals. It's nowhere near enough 453 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: energy or protein. And that's what's contributing to a lot 454 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: of the malnutrition. That was typically what I would see 455 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: a lot Susie in the hospital system. And these people, 456 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: these poor oldies, had come in that had broken their 457 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: hip that have to go on for these massive surgeries, 458 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: they were already a malnurisians really sadly a lot of 459 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: them didn't even survive the surgery because their bodies were 460 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: so weak. So checking on your loved ones, particularly your 461 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: grandparacks during winter and really make sure if they are 462 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: having soup, there's nothing wrong with that. Make sure it's 463 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: got a decent amount of energy, in protein and at 464 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: per serve, because a lot of those tin soups, particularly 465 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: if they're only having half a can, are just not 466 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: going to cut it, and their muscle mass is really 467 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: fading away over time, which is making them more risk 468 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: of falls as well. 469 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, good tip, and I love that butter beans blended 470 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: into soup and some peanut butter go. You heard it 471 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: here first on the Nutrition Couch. All right, Well, finishing 472 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: off today, it's our listener question is on energy drinks, 473 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: because if you've been paying any attention to mainstream media 474 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: in the past few weeks, you would have seen that 475 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: a couple of very smart YouTubers have made a couple 476 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: of energy drinks and it's made them very very rich. 477 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: It's called Prime. 478 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: Actually, my little twins who are just seven had actually 479 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: experienced it, so one of the kids at school had 480 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: come to school to report they had it. So it's 481 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: certainly out there. So what is it? Is it really 482 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: as bad as we've been hearing? So Prime was the 483 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: first product, or one of the products, was an energy drink, 484 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: and the reason it's sort of got everyone in a 485 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: teers is that it does contain caffeine. It contains about 486 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty milligrams, or the equivalent of two 487 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: almost two strong cups of coffee. Actually is at two hundred, 488 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: might be two hundred, it's two hundred milligrams, yeah, two hundreds. 489 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of two cups of strong coffee, and 490 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: of course there were some concerns about that, particularly for children. 491 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: Energy drinks in Australia like Red Bull or v the 492 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: large Cancer one sixty and then the Prime, which is 493 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: in a very American sort of gatorayed style package come 494 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: in at two hundred, so it's the equivalent of a 495 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: medium double shot last a. Now, for adults, no concern. 496 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't actually have sugar, it uses as sweetener, but 497 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: the concern of course for children is that that's grossly 498 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: inappropriate for children to be having that sort of concentrated caffeine, 499 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: or more specifically teenage boys who tend to overdose and 500 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: super dose it when it's an energy drink and might 501 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: have two or three of those in a sitting thinking 502 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: more is better. The issue is if teenagers, for example, 503 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: apart from the fact it will cause issues with heart 504 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: rate and insomnia and attention, if there's underlying heart conditions, 505 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: it can actually cause death. And indeed excessive consumption of 506 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: energy drinks has been associated with premature death in a 507 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: couple of teens, so it's real course for concern, and 508 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: that of course has led to it being banned for 509 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: sale in many outlets here in Australia. It tends to 510 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: be available just sort of on convenience stores which are 511 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: sort of selling it on the black market or selling 512 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: it for highly inflated prices like twenty dollars a bottle, 513 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: and even I believe overseas it's very difficult to get 514 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: at the moment such as the demand. We should also 515 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: say Prime also have a hydration drink. It's actually not 516 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: recommended for children under the age of sixteen. I couldn't 517 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: really see why it doesn't have caffeine, but it does 518 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: contain some amino acids. I think they're just protecting themselves 519 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: in general. But again for that reason, it's not freely 520 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: available in supermarkets here in Australia because they can't regulate 521 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: who's buying it. So my takeaway message is there's no 522 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: place for sugar sugar drinks. And even though this is 523 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: not sugar sweetened, it's a sweet drink. Sweet drinks, energy 524 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: drinks really in the diets of children at all, doesn't 525 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: matter how athletice they are at all, and even for 526 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: teenagers in very few examples, what I ever use at 527 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: as sports drink with a teenager, like the hydration version 528 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: of Prime. The fact they're so hideously expensive just shows 529 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: that we're getting ripped off. And some YouTubers are making 530 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot of money from something that's just basically some 531 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: water with a few amino acids and some sweetener blended in. 532 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: They just don't need itly add and I just am 533 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: too tired to be spending money. You know, sports drinks 534 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: are four or five dollars, so I'm just like, why 535 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: would you do that? So, you know, are they Well, 536 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: they're no more dangerous than a v you're a red bull, 537 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: But they're inappropriate for children, and with teenagers, do have 538 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: to be careful of them super dosing it because they 539 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: will because they think more is better. But I just 540 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: think those YouTubers are really smart because all these silly 541 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: parents are paying twenty bucks a bottle for a bit 542 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: of water, basically caffeine. 543 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. I've made millions and millions and millions, but 544 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: I'm shocked that your seven year old had heard of 545 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: it exposed to that. Shocked. But also they do have 546 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: twice the amount of caffeine that are standard V or 547 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: Red Bull. But my thing is like there's a big 548 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 2: disclaimer on there saying they're not recommended for children under 549 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: the age eighteen. But here's the kicker, that's the prime 550 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: age they're marketing at. Even with this disclaimer, all of 551 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: what I've seen is like young teenage boys. And I'm 552 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: talking eighteen, nineteen year old teenagers. I'm talking twelve, thirteen, fourteen. 553 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: A friend of mine, she's got two boys, I think 554 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: they're nine and eleven, and they're just obsessed. And that's 555 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: the one thing he wanted for his birthday, Like, not 556 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: a new Xbox, not a new bike. He wanted some 557 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: prime energy drinks. I was like, and his mum was 558 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: so conflicted. So like they're in these bright, like lollipop 559 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: type colors, like there are one hundred percent being marketed 560 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: at children, and I think it's bs to pretend that 561 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: they're not. And the fact that these YouTubers like their 562 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: prime audience is young people on TikTok as well, just 563 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: to get so inappropriate, Like you said, the amount of 564 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: caffeine has got six times the amount of caffeine that 565 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: a standard can of coke and not more than double 566 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: that of a Vera or Red Book. We wouldn't give 567 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: our teenage kids or our young kids a cup of coffee, like, 568 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: we would never do that. Why are we buying these 569 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: energy drinks for them? Just because they're so popular? So 570 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a hard note, like a hard noise, 571 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: And I think it's really hard for parents to say though, 572 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: because of that peer pressure, because of that social pressure, 573 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: and if your seven year olds are getting exposed to it, 574 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: you can imagine what these ten, twelve, fifteen year olds 575 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: are getting exposed to and the pressure behind that, because 576 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: they're going to look very cool if they can get 577 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: their hands on it. Because it is really hard to 578 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: get hold of. And I remember reading a story over 579 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: in the UK there was like full on brawls at 580 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: Aldi when Aldi decided to stock it, people lining up 581 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: at like two in the morning, like two am outside Audi. 582 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: Then when the doors open, people were legitimately beating each 583 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: other up to get these and I just think, oh 584 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: my goodness, Like it's just a drink. What does the 585 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: pot come to? So just the power and the influence 586 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: that social media has. And some of these influencers have 587 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: a young children. True. 588 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, friends of mine had been in America with her 589 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: teenage nephews and they were desperate to find it when 590 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: they were skiing overseas. And yeah, the prices were like 591 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty US dollars for one of the cans or 592 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: the containers of it. I agree with you. It just 593 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: shows the power of things like YouTube. And it's hopefully 594 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: they may do a version that's better. I don't know 595 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: if there is a version that's better for kids. I 596 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: think it's a good summation. It's a hard no, they 597 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: have no place you write it. You could really criticize 598 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: in terms of who they're being marketed to. And hopefully 599 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: they'll remain fairly unavailable here in Australia. But I'll stress 600 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: it again, there's no place for it. It's not like 601 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: it should be a special occasion drink. It should be 602 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: a hard no across the board. I like and soft 603 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: drink to poison. I don't give it to my children. 604 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: Ever. 605 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: It's not like I ever say, oh, sure you can 606 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: have a lemonade tonight. Like it's really up there with 607 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: foods that I am a hard no on. And the 608 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: same with sweetened drinks. You know, we know that the 609 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: largest consumers of sugar sweetened drinks in Australia are teenage boys, 610 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: and that basically predicts their habits for their life. And 611 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: there is nothing good we can say about any kind 612 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: of sweetened drink in general, and so encouraging anyone. Even 613 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: though it's a sugar free version, it's still that sweet 614 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of drink. If you've tasted it, I believe it's 615 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: quite a distinct flavor and very sweet. It's still priming 616 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: the brain to look for more of that sweet drink. 617 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: And you don't have If you have a coffee, you 618 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: often have the buffer effect of some milk, etcetera. You 619 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: have none of that. It's just a concentrated sauce, so 620 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: across the board it would be a hard no for 621 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: teenagers no matter what the age, or young people in general. 622 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: All right, hard no from us on the prime energy drinks. 623 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: So that brings us to the end of the Nutrition 624 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Couch for another Sunday. If you haven't done so already, 625 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe. 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