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Speaker 1: On today's episode of The Nutrition Couch podcast, I wanted

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Speaker 1: will resonate with a lot of you, and I've called

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Speaker 1: it a diet resentment, Leanne. It's an often unconscious bias

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Speaker 1: that can basically stop you making progress when you have

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Speaker 1: the goal of weight loss. So what is diet resentment?

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Speaker 1: How do you know if you have it? And how

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Speaker 1: can you identify it as a potential barrier to faller

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Speaker 1: so you can finally reach the dietary goals that you

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Speaker 1: have with yourself.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Susie Burrow and Lin Wood.

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Speaker 1: And each week we bring you The Nutrition Couch, the

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Speaker 1: bi weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on

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Speaker 1: everything that you need to know in the world of

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Speaker 1: nutrition as well as diet resentment. Lee and says everything

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Speaker 1: that we need to know about soups. Now it's getting

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Speaker 1: a little bit cooler outside and our listener question is

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Speaker 1: about the latest energy drink, Craze Prime, So I'll move

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Speaker 1: straight into it, Leanne, because you and I have had

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Speaker 1: a little chat off air and agree that it's something

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Speaker 1: that's popped up and I sort of had just been

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Speaker 1: pondering it up in depending a book on Perry, which

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Speaker 1: is actually going to come out very soon, so I

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Speaker 1: know our listens will be excited about that, and I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to put a title around this presentation that

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Speaker 1: I do see with a lot of my clients who

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Speaker 1: And the best way I could describe it is that

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Speaker 1: there's almost annoyance that they have due or want to

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Speaker 1: message and they're desperate for an appointment, and they sign up,

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Speaker 1: and we have the first sort of initial appointment where

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Speaker 1: we go through their diet and develop a personalized meal plan,

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Speaker 1: as you do with clients that is tailored to their

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Speaker 1: dietary preferences and lifestyle with the goal of getting them

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Speaker 1: and it's sort of like it's become a bit of

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Speaker 1: common theme with this group is that they're often mums,

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Speaker 1: busy mums who have cared for children and husbands and

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Speaker 1: they've finally had a moment in their life to look

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Speaker 1: their body that you know, they haven't exercised as much

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Speaker 1: without saying this in a disrespectful way, they've let themselves

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Speaker 1: And then they've suddenly realized that they've had all these

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Speaker 1: if it irritates you when the dietician or the doctor

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think the most important part from

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Speaker 2: work as hard as you work because because I don't

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just about accepting that this is hard,

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Speaker 2: This journey may be long, it may not always be fun.

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Speaker 2: like I always sad a client. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll just say I love what you say

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Speaker 2: And then the last one, Susie, is really amount of

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Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of soup. I must admit I

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Speaker 1: delicious and tasty and satisfying without loading on the cream.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, just make sure you're picking varieties that you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: I love that, and I'll just that one quick tip

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Speaker 2: that I have making pumpkin soup because a lot of

437
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Speaker 2: my clients have been asking me for pumpkin soup recently,

438
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Speaker 2: so one of the tricks is trying to get a

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Speaker 2: bit of protein in there. So I always add it

440
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Speaker 2: in a butter beans and blend that through. And my

441
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Speaker 2: secret ingredient for pumpkin soup is a big scoop of

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Speaker 2: crunchy peanut butter. It just completes it. I can't tell

443
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Speaker 2: you why, but trust me on it. Make it. Give

444
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Speaker 2: us a shout out on Instagram and let me know

445
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Speaker 2: you think. But I will just quickly say, having spent

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Speaker 2: a long time Susie working in hospitals and dealing with

447
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Speaker 2: a lot of malnutrition, if you've got elderly loved ones

448
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Speaker 2: who are losing muscle mass, who are at risk of

449
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Speaker 2: faoling over, I'm talking like grandparents kind of thing. Not

450
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Speaker 2: you know, fifty sixties, I'm talking seventies, eighties, nineties, even

451
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Speaker 2: eighties nineties. If they're just having the traditional soup, well

452
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Speaker 2: they're splitting like a can of soup across two meals.

453
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Speaker 2: It's nowhere near enough energy or protein, and that's what's

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Speaker 2: contributing to a lot of the malnutrition that was typically

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Speaker 2: what I would see a lot Susie in the hospital system.

456
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Speaker 2: And these people, these poor oldies that had come in

457
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Speaker 2: that had broken their hip, that have to go on

458
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Speaker 2: for these massive surgeries, they were already malnurishans. Really sadly,

459
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Speaker 2: a lot of them didn't even survive the surgery because

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Speaker 2: their bodies were so weak. So checking on your loved ones,

461
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Speaker 2: particularly your grand paracks during winter and really make sure

462
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Speaker 2: if they are having soup, there's nothing wrong with that.

463
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Speaker 2: Make sure it's got a decent amount of energy, in

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Speaker 2: protein and at per serve, because a lot of those

465
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Speaker 2: tin soups, particularly if they're only having half a can,

466
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Speaker 2: are just not going to cut it, and their muscle

467
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Speaker 2: mass is really fading away over time, which is making

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Speaker 2: them more risk of falls as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a good tip. And I love that butter beans

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Speaker 1: blended into soup and some peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: You go.

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Speaker 1: You heard it here first on the Nutrition Couch. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: finishing off today, it's our listener question is on energy drinks,

474
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Speaker 1: because if you've been paying any attention to mainstream media

475
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Speaker 1: in the past few weeks, you would have seen that

476
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Speaker 1: a couple of very smart YouTubers have made a couple

477
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Speaker 1: of energy drinks and it's made them very, very rich.

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Speaker 1: It's called Prime. Actually, my little twins who are just

479
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Speaker 1: seven had actually experienced it, so one of the kids

480
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Speaker 1: at school had come to school to report they had it.

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Speaker 1: So it's certainly out there. So what is it? Is

482
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Speaker 1: it really as bad as we've been hearing? So Prime

483
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: was the first product, or one of the products, was

484
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Speaker 1: an energy drink, and the reason it's sort of got

485
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Speaker 1: everyone in a teers is that it does contain caffeine.

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Speaker 1: It contains about one hundred and sixty milligrams, or the

487
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Speaker 1: equivalent of two almost two strong cups of coffee. Actually

488
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Speaker 1: is at two hundred, might be two hundred's two hundred milligrams, yeah,

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Speaker 1: two hundreds. It's the equivalent of two cups of strong coffee.

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Speaker 1: And of course there were some concerns about that, particularly

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Speaker 1: for children. Energy drinks in Australia like Red Bull or

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Speaker 1: v the Life Cancer one sixty and then the Prime,

493
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Speaker 1: which is in a very American sort of Gatorade style package,

494
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Speaker 1: come in at two hundred, so it's the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: a medium double shot last a. Now, for adults, no concern.

496
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Speaker 1: It doesn't actually have sugar, it uses are sweetener, but

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Speaker 1: the concern of course for children is that that's grossly

498
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Speaker 1: inappropriate for children to be having that sort of concentrated caffeine,

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Speaker 1: or more specifically teenage boys who tend to overdose and

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Speaker 1: super dose it when it's an energy drink and might

501
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Speaker 1: have two or three of those in a sitting thinking

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Speaker 1: more is better. The issue is if teenagers, for example,

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Speaker 1: apart from the fact it will cause issues with heart

504
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Speaker 1: rate and insomnia and attention, if there's underlying heart conditions,

505
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Speaker 1: it can actually cause death. And indeed excessive consumption of

506
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Speaker 1: energy drinks has been associated with premature death in a

507
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Speaker 1: couple of teens. So it's real course for concern, and

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Speaker 1: that of course has led to it being banned for

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Speaker 1: sale in many outlets here in Australia. It tends to

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Speaker 1: be available just sort of on convenience stores which are

511
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Speaker 1: sort of selling it on the black market or selling

512
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Speaker 1: it for highly inflated prices like twenty dollars a bottle,

513
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Speaker 1: and even I believe overseas it's very difficult to get

514
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Speaker 1: at the moment such as the demand. We should also

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Speaker 1: say Prime also have a hydration drink. It's actually not

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Speaker 1: recommended for children under the age of sixteen. I couldn't

517
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Speaker 1: really see why it doesn't have caffeine, but it does

518
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Speaker 1: contain some amino acids. I think they're just protecting themselves

519
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Speaker 1: in general. But again for that reason, it's not freely

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Speaker 1: available in supermarkets here in Australia because they can't regulate

521
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Speaker 1: who's buying it. So my takeaway message is there's no

522
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Speaker 1: place for sugar sugar drinks. And even though this is

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Speaker 1: not sugar sweetened, it's a sweet drink. Sweet drinks, energy

524
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Speaker 1: drinks really in the diets of children at all, doesn't

525
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Speaker 1: matter how athletic they are at all, and even for

526
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Speaker 1: teenagers in very few examples, what I ever use at

527
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Speaker 1: as sports drink with a teenager, like the hydration version

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Speaker 1: of Prime. The fact they're so hideously expensive just shows

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Speaker 1: that we're getting ripped off. And some YouTubers are making

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Speaker 1: a lot of money from something that's just basically some

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Speaker 1: water with a few amino acids and some sweetener blended in.

532
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Speaker 1: They just don't need itly add and I just am

533
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Speaker 1: too tired to be spending money. You know, sports drinks

534
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 1: are four or five dollars, so I'm just like, why

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Speaker 1: would you do that? So, you know, are theyous? Well,

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Speaker 1: they're no more dangerous than a V or a Red Bull,

537
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Speaker 1: but they're inappropriate for children, and with teenagers, you do

538
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: have to be careful of them super dosing it because

539
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: they will because they think more is better. But I

540
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Speaker 1: just think those YouTubers are really smart because all these

541
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Speaker 1: silly parents are paying twenty bucks a bottle for a

542
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Speaker 1: bit of water, basically caffeine.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. I've made millions and millions and millions, but

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked that your seven year olds had heard of

545
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Speaker 2: it exposed to that. Shocked. But also they do have

546
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Speaker 2: twice the amount of caffeine that are standard V or

547
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Speaker 2: Red Bull. But my thing is like there's a big

548
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Speaker 2: disclaimer on there saying they're not recommended for children under

549
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Speaker 2: the age eighteen. But here's the kicker, that's the prime

550
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Speaker 2: age they're marketing at. Even with this disclaimer, all of

551
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Speaker 2: what I've seen is like young teenage boys. I'm talking eighteen,

552
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Speaker 2: nineteen year old teenagers. I'm talking twelve, thirteen, fourteen. A

553
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Speaker 2: friend of mine, she's got two boys, I think they're

554
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Speaker 2: nine and eleven, and they're just obsessed. And that's the

555
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Speaker 2: one thing he wanted for his birthday, Like, not a

556
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Speaker 2: new Xbox, not a new bike. He wanted some prime

557
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Speaker 2: energy drinks. I was like, and his mum was so conflicted.

558
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: So like they're in these bright, like lollipop type colors,

559
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: like there are one hundred percent being marketed at children,

560
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Speaker 2: and I think it's bs to pretend that they're not.

561
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Speaker 2: And the fact that these YouTubers like their prime audience

562
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Speaker 2: is young people on TikTok as well, just to get

563
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: so inappropriate, Like you said, the amount of caffeine has

564
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: got six times the amount of caffeine that a standard

565
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Speaker 2: can of coke and not more than double that of

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Speaker 2: a Vera or red Book. We wouldn't give out teenage

567
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Speaker 2: kids or our young kids a cup of coffee, Like,

568
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Speaker 2: we would never do that. Why are we buying these

569
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Speaker 2: energy drinks for them just because they're so popular? So

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a hard note, like a hard no

571
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Speaker 2: on these, And I think it's really hard for parents

572
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Speaker 2: to say no because of that peer pressure, because of

573
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Speaker 2: that social pressure, and if your seven year olds are

574
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Speaker 2: getting exposed to it, you can imagine what these ten, twelve,

575
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Speaker 2: fifteen year olds are getting exposed to and the pressure

576
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Speaker 2: behind that, because they're going to look very cool if

577
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Speaker 2: they can get their hands on it because it is

578
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Speaker 2: really hard to get hold of. And I remember reading

579
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Speaker 2: a story over in the UK there was like full

580
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Speaker 2: on brawls at Aldi when Aldi decided to stock it,

581
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Speaker 2: lining up at like two in the morning, like two

582
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Speaker 2: am outside Audi. Then when the doors open, people were

583
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: legitimately beating each other up to get these and I

584
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Speaker 2: just think, oh my goodness, Like it's just a drink.

585
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Speaker 2: What does the pot come to? So, just the power

586
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Speaker 2: and the influence that social media has, and some of

587
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Speaker 2: these influencers have a young children.

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Speaker 1: True. Yeah, friends of mine had been in America with

589
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Speaker 1: her teenage nephews and they were desperate to find it

590
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Speaker 1: when they were skiing overseas. And yeah, the prices were

591
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Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty US dollars for one of the cans

592
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Speaker 1: or the containers of it. I agree with you. It

593
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Speaker 1: just shows the power of things like YouTube. And hopefully

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Speaker 1: they may do a version that's better. I don't know

595
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Speaker 1: if there is a version that's better for kids. I

596
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Speaker 1: think it's a good summation. It's a hard no, they

597
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: have no place you write it. You could really criticize

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00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: in terms of who they're being marketed to. And hopefully

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Speaker 1: they'll remain fairly unavailable here in Australia. But I'll stress

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Speaker 1: it again, there's no place for it. It's not like

601
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: it should be a special occasion drink. It should be

602
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: a hard no across the board. I like and soft

603
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: drink to poison. I don't give it to my children. Ever.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I ever say, oh, sure you can

605
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: have a lemonade tonight. Like it's really up there with

606
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Speaker 1: foods that I'm a hard no on, and the same

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Speaker 1: with sweetened drinks. You know, we know that the largest

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Speaker 1: consumers of sugar sweetened drinks in Australia are teenage boys,

609
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: and that basically predicts their habits for their life. And

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Speaker 1: there is nothing good we can say about any kind

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00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: of sweetened drink in general, and so encouraging anyone. Even

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Speaker 1: though it's a sugar free version, it's still that sweet

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00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of drink. If you've tasted it, I believe it's

614
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: quite a distinct flavor and very sweet. It's still priming

615
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: the brain to look for more of that sweet drink.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have If you have a coffee, you

617
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: often have the buffer effect of some milk, etcetera. You

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00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: have none of that. It's just a concentrated sauce, so

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Speaker 1: across the board it would be a hard no for

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Speaker 1: teenagers no matter what the age, or young people in general.

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Speaker 1: All right, hard no from us on the prime Nity drinks.

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