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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we

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Speaker 1: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated.

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Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hello, and welcome to a very special Friday

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Speaker 1: episode about Spoken. Today it's just soph and I as

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Speaker 1: Kate is a little under the weather, but we're joined

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Speaker 1: by og influencer Britney Saunders. Now Brittany made it big

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Speaker 1: on YouTube over eight years ago and now runs hugely

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Speaker 1: successful brands Fate the Label, Form Active and Staple Swim.

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Speaker 1: In this chat, we touch on some really interesting topics

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Speaker 1: such as how to spot a fake influencer, add disclosure

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, the truth about all those influencer brand trips,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. This is a really fun chat

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Speaker 1: and gives a great insight into the influencer world.

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Officially, welcome trat Spoken, sof and I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you on because we feel like you're one

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Speaker 1: of the most down to earth influencers out there.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I try. I don't try. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I just be myself, I guess, so I guess that's

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Speaker 3: why some people feel that way, which is amazing because

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Speaker 3: I would never want to be perceived as anything other

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Speaker 3: than just me. So it's nice to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do seem really real.

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Speaker 1: And the fact we obviously did a podcast a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago about your stay at the Calais Hotel and

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Speaker 1: that's how we kind of connected. You kindly reached out

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Speaker 1: to us and disclosed some pretty interesting information about your

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Speaker 1: stay there, and that's why I wanted to get you

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Speaker 1: on to sort of, for want of a better words,

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Speaker 1: build a tea and tell us exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I had a booked, Like I booked

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Speaker 3: two nights there months ago, like maybe six months ago,

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Speaker 3: because we had our friend's wedding on the Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: I had seen them on Instagram for ages and thought, wow,

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Speaker 3: like look at that place, like it's so beautiful, and

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Speaker 3: like obviously none of us have traveled for quite a

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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, let's do it. Let's book it. You know.

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Speaker 3: It was one thousand dollars for the two nights, but

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Speaker 3: we were like, let's just make the most of it

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Speaker 3: and have an amazing weekend away for our friend's wedding.

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Speaker 3: And I hadn't heard about any of this whole, like,

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't really read the news or like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. So anyway, we got there on the

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Speaker 3: friday we went and had a cocktail downstairs in the

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Speaker 3: took a cute little, you know, like aesthetics photo and

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Speaker 3: I'll just tag them, like just because it's nice, and

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Speaker 3: you know a lot of people will be like, where

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Speaker 3: is that? You know, so if you tag them, then

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Speaker 3: you don't have to answer everyone where it is. And then, honestly,

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Speaker 3: within a few minutes flex who I'm sure you guys

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Speaker 3: know because we follow one another and we always watch

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Speaker 3: like what is going on? So I quickly deleted it.

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Speaker 3: Like it had been up for literally a matter of

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Speaker 3: that's when I found out about it. She linked me

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Speaker 3: to a few articles. I think she actually linked me

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Speaker 3: to your podcast as well and was like, listen to

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Speaker 3: this if you have time. Then I had a photo

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Speaker 3: the second photo, because it was like a little carousel post,

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Speaker 3: I had tagged my brand because that's the top and

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Speaker 3: jeans that I was wearing. And then I tagged Billini

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Speaker 3: And so that's how I found out about it, and

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Speaker 3: I had let's message me literally straight away. But then

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Speaker 3: I spoke to you guys. Right, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 3: so I understand it from and for anyone, like I'm

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Speaker 3: heard like your previous one on it. Like from my

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Speaker 1: Well, it was it was more of a gifted post.

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Speaker 1: So the influencer, she's a micro influencer, so she went

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Speaker 1: It was just an item I believe, of jeans that

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Speaker 3: I scrolled through their tag photos, there's a heap of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we heard from another influencer. We'll just keep

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Speaker 1: I can totally understand from a PR perspective that, of

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Speaker 1: But I think where it just becomes a little bit

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Speaker 3: I know, after that, I was like shit, like I'd

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Speaker 3: I was freaking out. But yeah, I think it's really interesting,

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Speaker 3: Like I can kind of understand like the you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a missed opportunity for them as well, because you know,

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Speaker 3: there is people like me who I'll happily tag them

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Speaker 3: instead support a smaller business that will actually really appreciate

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Speaker 3: being tagged kind of thing. It's like, fine, I'll take

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Speaker 1: Well, just moving on to just moving on to influencers

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Speaker 1: disclosing ads, because it's been a really hot topic amongst

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Speaker 1: working with a brand. But we've seen some influencers who've

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Speaker 2: What do you make of.

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Speaker 3: That man, Like I I just don't get it. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'll always on my post put like the paid sponsorship

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Speaker 3: with you know, Canadian Club or whatever, so it's right

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Speaker 3: I don't have any issue doing that. And I also

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Speaker 3: you know, you're not like you're it's not out of

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Speaker 3: the ordinary foreign influencer to do something that is sponsored,

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Speaker 3: you know. So I just don't understand why they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Like I don't understand because, like from my point of view,

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Speaker 1: And they're all from creepy men. Have you noticed they're

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Speaker 3: at the style of pond through if it's slightly a

433
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: different color or whatever. But you've just got to put

434
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: your trust in people, I guess, And I'm just really

435
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 3: glad that I have this like influencer background because I

436
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: really know what to look out up for all kind

437
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: of thing, and I feel like there's such this there

438
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: is a massive negative stigma around influencers. Like even saying

439
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: the word influencer makes me cringe. And you know, I'm

440
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: sure if you asked most people what they think when

441
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: they hear the word influence, who Like, if you just said, like,

442
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: give me one word at answers, I'm sure most of

443
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 3: them would be negative. Like would you guys.

444
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: Agree, I'd say so.

445
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: Even though there is this you know, negative stigma around it,

446
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: Like so many brands in the world, oh their entire

447
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: success to influencer marketing. So it's just really interesting, like

448
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: the whole thing. You know, it's interesting to me being

449
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 3: an influencer because I've never seen myself as one, Like

450
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: I'm just written from Newcastle. I just so happened to

451
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: get followers, like you know, this whole thing's been so

452
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: interesting to me, and I've just tried to just stay

453
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: true to myself and you know, I turned down ten

454
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: brand deals every second day, like as my manager is

455
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: always like, what about this one? Like nope, nope, nope,

456
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: because I guess the business side of me now like

457
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: see things completely different. Like my manager, I'm surprised she

458
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: hasn't fired me because she's like, do you want to

459
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: work with this brand? Like I reckon to everyone that

460
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: I work with, and I only work with a very small,

461
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: like amount of brands nowadays, but I reckon for everyone

462
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: that I do. I've probably said no to like over

463
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: twenty and I'm so fussy. I'm like, oh, like I

464
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: like their stuff, but their website is a little outdated,

465
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: Like I go so far into it and like no,

466
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: like their website isn't the best, or you know, the

467
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: whole business side of me is so now invested in

468
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: like deciding who I work with kind of thing.

469
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: And that's why people trust you and like you.

470
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so refreshing because I mean you just

471
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: take a look at celeb spellcheck and where there's been

472
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: incidents and instances where influencers haven't even opened the bottle

473
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: of the hair pills that they're scooping or whatever.

474
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: It makes me.

475
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: That kills me, Like, if you're going to do anything

476
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: like that, at least make it look like you've used it.

477
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: Like as for me, I would never ever ever promote

478
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: something that I don't genuinely love. Like that's just me

479
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 3: and don't get me wrong. Like I feel like I

480
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: could do a dedicated podcast like once every three months

481
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: and do a list of brand deals that I've said

482
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: no to and tell everyone, like how much money I've

483
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: said no to? Because there's some things where I bet

484
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: even my audience would go, brit you should have fucking

485
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: done it, because how could you turn down that amount

486
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: of money? Because the brand deals that I do, that's

487
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: the only money that I personally earned. So that's what

488
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: I live off. That's what I pay, you know, my

489
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: brant and all that kind of stuff. So all the

490
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 3: money that all of my brands generate, I don't touch it.

491
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: I don't pull a wage from work. So yeah, the

492
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: whole influencing thing is what's keeping me afloat, and that's

493
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: how I like to buy my groceries and stuff like that.

494
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: Back in the day, I think, when you know, I

495
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: was a lot younger, like nineteen and twenty, I would

496
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: have said yes to a lot more. But now I

497
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: guess as I'm getting older and I have morals, Basically

498
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: now I am really picky and choosy and would only

499
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: ever promote something that I genuinely love or that I

500
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: think my audience would get something out of or they'd

501
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: love it, or they think it's a good deal or

502
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: whatever it may be kind of things.

503
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: And I really respect that because I think sophen I

504
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: might have had this discussion on a podcast previously about

505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: how I suppose when you're first starting out as an influencer,

506
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: because you're new to it and you're obviously not earning

507
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: that much money, you're going to jump at every opportunity

508
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: to work with a brand. But when you're in a

509
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: position like yourself and you have brands coming to you

510
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: every day, it's a bit like the Kardashians how they

511
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: would choose to do skinny tea detox, you know, advertisements

512
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: when they could pick any brand to work with.

513
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I think there's more.

514
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: It's worse if you're a bigger influencer and you do

515
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: choose to work with some of those smaller brands because

516
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: you have more of a choice of brands to work with.

517
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I don't know. I just think for

518
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: me personally, it's like just a moral thing, Like there's

519
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: so so many things that I turned down because I'm like, nah,

520
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: like I could, and my manager is always like, are

521
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: you sure, Like you know, they've got a really good

522
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: rate that they want to offer you, and I'm like,

523
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: I just can't do it because at the end of

524
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: the day, you know, X Y and B like I'll

525
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: probably never use it again, or yeah, you know. I

526
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 3: got asked to do one for like like a moisturizer

527
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: that you put on your bum, and I'm like and

528
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't remember what one it was. It's

529
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: one of the new ones that's been gone around on Instagram,

530
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, you know, I'm sure a lot

531
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: of people that follow me would like affirming bum lotion,

532
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: but like, at the end of the day, I would

533
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: never fuck use that, like just put the normal moisturizer

534
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: on your bum and call it a day, exactly. And

535
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: there's just so many things where I'm like, I just

536
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 3: could have done it, and you know, I could have

537
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: earn a good amount of money to put up a

538
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: bloody story, but I'm like, nah, I just I can't

539
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: do it.

540
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: Well, just back to celeb spellcheck. What do you think

541
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: about pages like that? Because there seems to be this

542
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: rise I feel like it's COVID. A lot of people

543
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: have really been holding influences to account. Do you like

544
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: it or do you think it goes too far?

545
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: So I think when she first started the account, like

546
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: the reason it was called the led spell Check is

547
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: because it was like a spell checking thing, right, Like

548
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: it was just for pointing out funny typos, which I

549
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: think is something that everyone can have a laugh at

550
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: every now and then. Like exactly, I was at work

551
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: earlier and I went to write more and I wrote

552
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: meow and then I kissed myself laughing. I was like

553
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: scheduling an email to go out two hour subscribers. I'm like,

554
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: imagine if I left me ow more in the title

555
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: of the email. So I don't think there's anything wrong

556
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: with like having a lighthearted laugh at like you know

557
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: something where oh can you guys hear that I've got

558
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: a call coming through?

559
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: But oh no, we can't hear it.

560
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, I'm just going to decline it anyway. Who

561
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: that is?

562
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: It might be the bum firming cream.

563
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Get you on.

564
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: That's a funny thing to just quickly going back to

565
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: the whole like brand deals thing, like it's always interesting

566
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: as well when brands. Oh my god, they're inning again.

567
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm hanging up. I'm on a podcast. Please be alone.

568
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: One thing that's interesting from a brand point of view

569
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: is a brand will get their mindset on who they

570
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: want to work with, like maybe not so much of

571
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: it's micro influencers, but like just say, it's a bigger

572
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: influence that like, yes, I really want to work with Britney.

573
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: So they'll get their mindset on that before you know

574
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: they've even spoken to me. And like, I say no

575
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: to a lot and one of the questions that you

576
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: always get hit with is like why, like why don't

577
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: you want to work with us? And then it's like

578
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: awkward because it's like, oh, I don't know, I've never

579
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: used your shampoo, and additional.

580
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Or like you I don't agree with you your morals?

581
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: Yes, literally, And it's interesting because you know, I think

582
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: in a lot of brand's minds, they see influences as

583
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: the kind of people that would just promote anything because

584
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: that's what they do for a job, whereas like with

585
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: for me, anyway, like there's so much more to it,

586
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: like I actually have to care about it. But anyway

587
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: back to what me going all over the place, there's

588
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with you know, a bit of lighthearted fun

589
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: like bloopers basically. But I think with the popularity that

590
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: that account was gaining, you know, you know how like

591
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: they shut it down, but they're like posting other stuff now,

592
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: like photos and celebrities. I don't know what's currently going

593
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: on on that page, but I felt like it was

594
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: getting to the point there where the posts were kind

595
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 3: of encouraging bullying in a way, just because you know,

596
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: you'd see a post and then you'd go to the comments,

597
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: and then you know, there was just so much unnecessary

598
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: stuff said in the comments, which I don't think is

599
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: a good thing to encourage.

600
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's so hard, isn't it, Because while what they

601
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: post might not have been bullying, it's a bit like

602
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: you know when the Daily Mail puts up articles and

603
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, look at this gorgeous woman on the

604
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: beach like some celebrity, but the photo is a horrendous

605
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: photo and it's just inviting people to comment awful.

606
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that would the problem that the

607
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: person behind soleb Belchick was starting to have is that

608
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: the comments were getting out of control, Like it could

609
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: just be a typo that someone had made in their

610
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: caption and they would post this and be like, haha,

611
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: look at the feeling mistake, like so funny, like ye

612
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: wrote me out instead of more. But then the comments

613
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: would then start like ripping that person to shreds, like

614
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: on a completely unrelated topic to the actual post, which

615
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: is not called for, and like like I get it,

616
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: like comments on it and be like ha ha ha

617
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: or whatever, or like a laughing emoji, you know, because

618
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: it's funny. But when you see those comments of people

619
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: actually just starting to you know, be nasty and whatever,

620
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: like I think that's when it becomes a bit out

621
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: of control.

622
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's so much nastiness online, isn't there out of.

623
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: So much Like I don't understand it, like you know,

624
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: but it's just bad. And once again we just live

625
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: in this mess up world. Like I feel scared for

626
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: kids because like what are they going to do when

627
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: they're eighteen nineteen twenty, Like what is the internet going

628
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: to be like then?

629
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, I know, like with TikTok as well, and

630
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: even just oh.

631
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: My god, TikTok is savage, so like you can turn

632
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: comment filters on and so I got TikTok like last

633
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: year sometime I'm like, what is this TikTok app that

634
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about? So I just got it, like, yeah,

635
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: made an account whatever, posted a few funny, philly like

636
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: videos like I don't know an things thing or whatever

637
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: everyone's doing at the time. And then because I've like

638
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: had my Instagram audience rages like I literally do not

639
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: have a problematic following. I never get like a hateful

640
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: comment on Instagram. And then I guess because TikTok, you know,

641
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: pushes your video out to all these randoms, I started

642
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: getting comments like do you guys know who Adison Ray is? Yeah,

643
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: so I've noticed a pattern of comments like oh my god,

644
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: you look like Addison Ray blah blah blah. Oh this

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: is Adamson Ray's older sister blah blah blah. But then

646
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: I've also started I also started getting nasty comments like

647
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is like the fat version of

648
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: Addison Ray, like if Addison Ray was so many pounds heavier,

649
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: chubby Addison Ray. So then I'm like, oh my god,

650
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: all these twelve year olds are ripping me to shreds.

651
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: All.

652
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: Lastly, I've worked out like how you can feel the comments,

653
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: so in the settings, I like block the words fat, fatter, chubb,

654
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: like so that no one would ever comment that again,

655
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh my god, this is so mean,

656
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, at least I can laugh it off,

657
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: you know, like I honestly couldn't care less. But then

658
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: I think of like young impressionable kids and teenagers, like

659
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: I scroll on the for you page on TikTok sometimes

660
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: and you always go to the comments, and then they

661
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: are so brutal.

662
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we I think we're I think

663
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: we're a little bit older than you, but you might

664
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: remember this page that ask fm and it's just people.

665
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: Could get anonymous questions.

666
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like even worse than that now, isn't it

667
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: Because people's photos are attached to it. They don't even

668
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: care that you can see who they are, Like they'll

669
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: just write the most vile comments and they're not even

670
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: concealing it.

671
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: Everyone on everyone on TikTok nowadays, like let's write yeah,

672
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: it's not too late to delete this, like about someone's

673
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: video whatever. I'm just like, I don't have the time

674
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: in my day to write back to people in my

675
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: own text or on Facebook, Like I'm shocking, Like I

676
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: let conversations you know, go all the way down the bottom,

677
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: So how do people have time to sit there and like,

678
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: you know, have a go at people that are like

679
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: probably on the other side of the world, Like I

680
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: don't understand, like what are you actually doing with your

681
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: wife that's productive? And That's what I've always said about,

682
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, people who leave nasty comments or spend time

683
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: talking horribly about people online who have never met. It's

684
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: like it says so much about the person leaving the comments.

685
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I think anyway, Yeah, I think I heard you on

686
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: a podcast say that they're normally just a loser on

687
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: the couch eating chips, and it made me burst out loud.

688
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: Literally like and they're like, oh my god, no I'm not,

689
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: Like I'm really successful and I have full time job.

690
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but you still sit on your lounge

691
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: and fucking worry about what I'm doing in my life.

692
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: So like who's the real winner here?

693
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: And I definitely think there is a difference obviously between

694
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe people holding someone to account whose behavior is actually problematic,

695
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: then someone just flat out bullying and dragging someone's appearance down.

696
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Like I feel like people don't realize there is a

697
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: line between that.

698
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's a different absolutely.

699
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: And you know, there is this huge like cancel culture

700
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: at the moment, which I feel like on TikTok also

701
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: gets completely out of hand. I feel like it's not

702
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: so much here in Australia, but over in America, like

703
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: amongst all those American TikTokers and whatever and YouTubers, like

704
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, selling say is canceled and canceled and canceled.

705
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm all for you know, people being you know,

706
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 3: held accountable for, you know, something they've done or something

707
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: they've dead, and like them coming out and making a statement,

708
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: you know, like I'll own up for something if I've

709
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: ever fucked up or I've ever upset someone or whatever.

710
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: But then even with that, there's that line that gets

711
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: crossed by followers, I think where people then instead of

712
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: going like yeah, you're canceled or like you know, you

713
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: shouldn't have said that or you shouldn't have done that, like,

714
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: it goes then beyond and then it gets really personal

715
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: and turns into bullying.

716
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: Else I would love to ask you about.

717
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: We have spoken a lot about influencer trips and at

718
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: the moment, obviously as marketing changes and involves a lot

719
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: of people have been saying that they don't think that

720
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: influencer trips are working anymore because people are sick of

721
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: seeing influencers perhaps you know, getting sent on these luxurious

722
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: holidays and everyone kind of can see through that it

723
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: is an ad. Obviously you're one of the og influencers.

724
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Can you tell us, like back in the day, what

725
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: were those trips actually?

726
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: Like, like, I have to agree that I think we're

727
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 3: going to see less and less of these influencer trip

728
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: because I feel like, you know what, I'm freaking so

729
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: glad that I got to like experience that. I'm like,

730
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: good on me for starting way back in the day

731
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: and jumping on board, because I got to go on

732
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: some amazing trips. And I feel like back then when

733
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: you know, I was in my YouTube prime and someone

734
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: is on YouTube, you know, I feel like back then

735
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: and when all those big brand trips were happening, Like

736
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: I went on some trips with Tart Cosmetics and two

737
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: Cosmetics and all that. I feel like influencing was such

738
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: a different thing back then because back then it was

739
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: only about the really big influencers. There was none of

740
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: these like micro influencers. You know, you were either a

741
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: really big influencer or you weren't an influencer at all

742
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: kinds of things. Whereas now, because we are in this

743
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: market which is so flooded and saturated, I feel like

744
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: those brand trips aren't as you know, successful as they

745
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: once were, and they're you know, back then, all those

746
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: trips were so glamorous and it was like, oh, who's

747
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: going on the next tart trip? You know, like it

748
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: was a really big thing. Whereas now it's like, oh,

749
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 3: just another bloody influencer events. So I think we will

750
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: definitely see less and less of them. The fact that

751
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: I even got to go on some of those trips

752
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: is absolutely mind blowing. Like I don't know about anyone else,

753
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: but you know, when I would get the email to

754
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: be like, Hi, yeah, Diaton wants to fly you to

755
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: New York for them a new air rap thing that

756
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: they came out with, I was like, what, you know,

757
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: Like I would feel like anyone else would feel getting

758
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: those emails, Like I was like, are you fucking kidding?

759
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: Like they want me to go business class, Like what

760
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: the hell is going on? So like, just from like

761
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: my own personal perspective, like I can't believe I ever

762
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: got invited so.

763
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Do they just do they just pay for you to

764
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: go there, or do they actually pay you as well

765
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: to attend a man.

766
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: So they don't. They don't pay you to do any

767
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: of the posts or anything. So I've been on a bunch,

768
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: like I've been to Coachella. I've been to New York twice,

769
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: LA a few times. Then we went to Hayman Island

770
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: with Tart and a couple of others. I think, Oh,

771
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: I went to Bloody Spain with Maas. Wow, it's absolutely crazy,

772
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: like it doesn't even seem real when I think back

773
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: on those years in my life, like it was all

774
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: just one matting blur, you know, and I was in

775
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: my early twenties just living it up. But on all

776
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: those trips, never did I get paid to do anything there.

777
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: You would have like the flights and the accommodation and all,

778
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: like the food and everything covered, and then you would

779
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: also sign a contract to say you will do this

780
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: amount of posts, this amount of stories like as your

781
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: I guess your work that you'd be doing for them

782
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: kind of things. But I never got paid for any

783
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: of them. In saying that, I don't know if, like

784
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: any of the even bigger influences ever, would like all

785
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: the American ones that would be there, Like, I'm really

786
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: not sure, but as to me, I never got paid

787
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: for any of them.

788
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Are they quite?

789
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Are they a bit painful to be on some of

790
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: the trips because I personally look at them and go,

791
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: oh wow, that looks amazing to go there. But I

792
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: couldn't put up with all the photo shoots and everything

793
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: going on.

794
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I get tired of it.

795
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Is it a bit of like when you've been on

796
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: your fifth trip, you'd be like, oh far out, just

797
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: take the photo and let's move on.

798
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're literally once in a lifetime opportunities.

799
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: So and like I just loved meeting people and like

800
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: having a blast and making friends. So I was always

801
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: just in absolute or to be there. But like in

802
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: saying that, like the first time I went to Coachella,

803
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: you know, so guess you had to follow a schedule,

804
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: Like you woke up in the morning, then there was this,

805
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: then there was that, then you went to the festival,

806
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: and then you know, I've since been to Coachella with

807
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: my friends and we had way more fun because then

808
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: you can just like wake up as bloody as ten

809
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: am and then you know, start drinking in your little billa,

810
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: you know. So it's definitely like even though you are

811
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: on a trip and you're on a holiday, you still

812
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: like have to follow a schedule and it might be

813
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: like We're getting up at six am to do yoga

814
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 3: and I'm like it's great. But for the most part,

815
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: like I never once thought like ever a being on

816
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: one of those trips because I was like, holy shit,

817
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: I cannot believe this brand has paid for me to

818
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: be here, like paid for the flights and everything. Like

819
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: I was always just like so thankful.

820
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: It would have been amazing.

821
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: I just wanted to quickly touch on the fact you've

822
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: obviously got some amazing brands and we do love the

823
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: fact how inclusive those brands are, and we hear a

824
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: lot of influencers coming out with brands.

825
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Obviously you were sort of the first one in Australia

826
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: to do that.

827
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: But there's always a lot of chat about how they

828
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: can't stock up to certain sizes and you do, is

829
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: it size six to twenty all your range?

830
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we do size six to twenty. So

831
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: I never call like I've never once said that, like

832
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: my brands are size inclusive, just because, of course we

833
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: could add more sizes to our range, but I do

834
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: like to say, like, you know, we do offer a

835
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: size six to twenty, which is like kind of unheard of,

836
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: you know, especially for a brand that's only been around

837
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: for a couple of years kind of thing. You know,

838
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: there's brands out there like Glassons who have been around

839
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: since I was in high school, who only go to

840
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: a fourteen. Still like they're huge, like they've got so

841
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: many stores and such a big online presence. Like you know,

842
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: people will sometimes have a goal at knee, you know,

843
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: like oh, like you only go to a twenty, or

844
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: like why don't you do a twenty two twenty four?

845
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: Which I would love to, but it's like men, like

846
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 3: I think, for the fact that I've only been around

847
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: for a couple of years and that I go to

848
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: a twenty at least, you know, I think I'm doing

849
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: pretty well for myself when there's huge brands out there

850
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: that are like multi million billion dollar companies that still

851
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: only go to a fourteen.

852
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Oh, you're doing so well.

853
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean, if you compare your brands to any other

854
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: there's not too many people in that space. Doing what

855
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: you're doing, especially you know you're using real women in

856
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: your campaigns. But I suppose that's a thing going back

857
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: to what we were kind of talking about before. And

858
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: nothing's ever good enough?

859
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: Is it?

860
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: Like you're trying so hard?

861
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: Oh exactly, and a lot of people will be, you know, understanding.

862
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: Like I spoke about this. I think it was saw

863
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: my story the other day because like every now and then,

864
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: I like to, you know, chat about like business and stuff.

865
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: So I did a little thing on my story about

866
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: sizing because did you guys know that, Peter Alexander, they've

867
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: got like their regular sizing range, and then they've got

868
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: their like, I don't know if they call it plus

869
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: or curve, but they charge more for like the same

870
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: ninety in their like extended size range.

871
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: Did you guys know that that's terrible? That's pretty good.

872
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: I remember when they did it last year, and one

873
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: of my followers, I think they said they still do it,

874
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: so I'm not sure, so don't take my word like

875
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: maybe last think I'll look at their website after this,

876
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: but yeah, I remember last year they came under fire

877
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: because they, yeah, came out with these nineties or whatever,

878
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: and then you know, the extended size ones were like

879
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: ten or twenty dollars more kind of thing, you know. Yeah, so,

880
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: which from a behind the scenes point of view makes

881
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: sense because you are using more fabric, which then costs

882
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: you more money because you know, you buy this brick

883
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: by the yard and whatever. But like it's just like

884
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: yet with the times, like work out a happy medium

885
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: where all of your prices can be the same no

886
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 3: matter you know what the sizes are. But I think

887
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: the reality of it is when people start brands and

888
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: influencers and stuff. I think a lot of the brands

889
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: that you see start up that only do go to

890
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: a certain size. The girls that are starting the brand

891
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: are usually a size six or eight themselves. Yeah, so

892
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: I don't think they've ever even had the thought of

893
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: struggling to shop when you are curbier, So therefore they

894
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: don't even consider those like extended sizes, if you know

895
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: what I mean. They're more so catering to themselves and

896
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: probably what all of their friends look like, which will

897
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: probably look like all of them as well.

898
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so true because all the events you see,

899
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: I know, of those particular brands, it's just everybody looks

900
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: the same as like a skinny blonde girl at the

901
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: event and you're like, oh my god, all these people

902
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: just identical.

903
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Literally, and you know, I guess you can't blame them

904
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: for their ignorance if they've never been around someone who's

905
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: a bit curver, or if they've never you know, for

906
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: me anyway, like sim a size ten that have like

907
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: a massive bum and hips like you know, So for me,

908
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: it's so important that like everything fits right. And then

909
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: I always think of the girls who are kurby because

910
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: I'm a curvy girl myself. So that's why it's so important,

911
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, for me to have you know, those extended

912
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: sizes and like to make everything true to size, because

913
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: don't even get me started on things that are like

914
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: size wrong. Yeah, like you know those brands where it's like, oh, yeah,

915
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: they've got really nice stuff, but like make sure you

916
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: go up two sides instead of being spit over your

917
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 3: hits kind of thing. The hard thing is there's no standard,

918
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 3: so like that, it would be great if there was

919
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: a standard sized guy that you had to follow. That

920
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: would make it a lot easier for consumers, but also

921
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: for brands to have, you know, a sized guide to follow.

922
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: That would be like the Australian standard or whatever, but

923
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: it just simply doesn't exist. So I think, yeah, first

924
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: of all, like influencers starting brands and the sizing range

925
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: not being great. You know, the one thing is, as

926
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: I said, like maybe they are like a slimmer girl,

927
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: so it's not even in their minds to cater to

928
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: curve your girls. But then the other thing is like

929
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: the more sizes that you do add to your range,

930
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: the more money you're going to be spending. And it

931
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: just depends on the whole business model kind of thing.

932
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: Because you know a lot of influences that start brands,

933
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: it's usually not them. It's like you know another company

934
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: that's kind of doing it all and they're just like

935
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: the name and the face. But whereas for me, like

936
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: I didn't start going to a size twenty, but it's

937
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: something that I worked towards because I fund everything myself,

938
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I had to start

939
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: from zero and work my way up. And as I

940
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: saw more of a cash flow, then of course, yes,

941
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: we've got more money. Now we can add more sizes

942
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: because we can get more fabric of thing. So I

943
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: always like to have faith when I do see influencers

944
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: come out with brands, you know, and they might only

945
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: go to a size twelve. I'm like, who knows, Like

946
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: maybe in six or twelve months, if they see some success,

947
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: then they might add more sizes. But then also by

948
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: doing those limited size ranges, you might not see that

949
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: growth because you're not going to get a good reputation

950
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: from doing so it's really interesting.

951
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's so interesting as well to hear from

952
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: someone who actually runs brands, because a lot of the

953
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: time influencers do come out and they say that they

954
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: just don't have the money to be able to extend

955
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: the brand. So there's all these different things I think

956
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: that people don't think of. Just last week, because we

957
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: know you're super busy, we had a really requested question

958
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: and it was about Aj because he's your boyfriend. He's

959
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: obviously become a bit of a star in his own

960
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: Instagram account. It seems like he's been taking the piss

961
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: out of you.

962
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: Recently, which is being hilarious.

963
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

964
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd say he's not your typical boyfriend of Instagram,

965
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: Like he just seems like a legend, you know how.

966
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: There's kind of those tossa guys, who are you know

967
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: posing topless?

968
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: No, trust me, I had been there, Like for anyone

969
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: that's followed me for long enough, they had seen me

970
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: go for those tossa fucking Instagram guys like No, Aj

971
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: and I have been together for four years now and

972
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: we only made his Instagram account last year. So for

973
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: the first like three years, like everyone didn't even know

974
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: about aj, Like they'd go, are you still together? Because like,

975
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: he just doesn't care for social media. But I guess

976
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: because it had been you know, three years of them

977
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: not knowing anything about him, and then we finally made

978
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: his Instagram account, everyone was really excited about. Everyone wants

979
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: to know more about him.

980
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: Oh, it's really cute.

981
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you when you were initially dating, did you find

982
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: it difficult having that following sort of were you sort

983
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: of second guessing some people, thinking, oh, are they just

984
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: going to use me to become a next the next

985
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: big influencer. Yes.

986
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: So, like my relationship before Ajas was very public. I'm

987
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: talking like we had a YouTube channel together and all

988
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 3: of this shit, and it was just the red flag

989
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: from the stars that obviously I didn't see because you know,

990
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: I think I was twenty one or twenty two, when

991
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: maybe I was a little bit longer. I don't know,

992
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: twenty three. I've just tried to use it all mushed together, honestly.

993
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: But I did have like a very like if you

994
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: literally google like Brittany Saunders breakup, you'll see some news

995
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: articles like it was the break up was a huge thing.

996
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: I had the like Sunrise Morning Show calling me asking

997
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: if I'll go on there to talk about like relationship.

998
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah you can, like because I went on my snapchout

999
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: and I was fucking crying, like it was just this

1000
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 3: dramatic thing. But yeah, so this was my relationship prior

1001
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: to AJ, And so when AJ and I were like

1002
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: starting to see each other, I wasn't scared that he

1003
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: was going to try to use me or whatever to

1004
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: gain something social media wise, because he never had social

1005
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: media anyway. And if you meet AJ, like he's literally

1006
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: a tradee like he's just a genuine guy. But I

1007
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: was still scared of like sharing him on my social media,

1008
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: and I think that was one of the reasons why

1009
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: I never posted about him much. Also because like he's

1010
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: not a natural on the camera, like he's a bit

1011
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: awkward and whatever. So he kind of went hand in hand,

1012
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: like he wasn't fussed at all about being on the

1013
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: social media and also I was like holding back kind

1014
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: of thing. So yeah, it's only last year that he

1015
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: has started to appear on social media and everyone loves him,

1016
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: even though we literally never post on his account, like

1017
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: he never knows stories. It's always just a stupid post,

1018
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: but everyone loves it. What were people asking you, Well.

1019
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: You just covered it completely about it was intentional to

1020
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: sort of keep AJ away from everyone. But do you

1021
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: know what I feel like, there's nothing more unattractive than

1022
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: a guy who's really into his Instagram account.

1023
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: So literally, because when you see I mean each to

1024
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: their own. But sometimes the girls and I at work,

1025
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: like one of the girls at work in particular, she's like,

1026
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: look at this guy, and you know how they like

1027
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: do like they like lipsting a song and they were

1028
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: like the shirt on and they're doing a little power.

1029
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, if AJ, for some reason did that, I'd

1030
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: have to kick him out, like like goes back at

1031
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: your mom's house, like I can't take you years or

1032
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: even guys that just like take like posing selfies like

1033
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: that is the instant ere for me, Like no thanks,

1034
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: but you know when I was younger, I was. I

1035
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: think it's because I was in that YouTube space. I was,

1036
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, attracted to the person that I was with

1037
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: previous to AJ, because you know, he took so much

1038
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 3: interest in what I was doing, which was amazing because

1039
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: no other guy had before. But then it was all

1040
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 3: for the wrong kind of reason anyway.

1041
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess we all make the bad decisions with

1042
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: guys in our early twenties, don't we.

1043
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: Yes, Literally, you have to do it because that's how

1044
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 3: you learn. And it's just so funny to look back

1045
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: on because when I was like twenty one, twenty two,

1046
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: twenty three, I thought I had it all, you know,

1047
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: going on. I was living in Sydney in his apartment

1048
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: by myself. I was so famous on YouTube, Like I

1049
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: just had my life all sorted out. And now I

1050
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: look back and I'm like, I had no bloody idea

1051
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: what I was doing, Like no clue. So yeah, with

1052
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: the whole AJA thing, Like it was kind of intentional

1053
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 3: to begin with, but I didn't mean to not past

1054
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: about him for like three years. It's just the way

1055
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 3: it went. And like, yeah, now he does little posts

1056
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: every now and then. Everyone likes it, so love yeah,

1057
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: it's worked out well.

1058
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you for being such a legend and

1059
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: giving up all this time to talk to us about

1060
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: so many different things.

1061
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm so glad because we we we started this podcast

1062
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: an hour ago at one o'clock, so I got to

1063
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: leave work early. We finish at four. Every day we

1064
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 3: do eight till four. And then I said to the girls,

1065
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: I left home. I left work just before one, and

1066
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: I was like, I might be back or I might.

1067
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: Not know.

1068
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: It's o'clock. So I think I'm just going to be like, nah,

1069
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: I cool it a day the afternoon. So you've given

1070
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: me an early March. I'm grateful.

1071
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: I Caitlyn was so lovely to deal with.

1072
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: She's obviously this is an including the podcast, but she

1073
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: is such a legend, so you've got some.

1074
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: Include this in the podcast. Please you love getting a

1075
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: shout out at the end of the podcast.

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