1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Now, over the weekend we were contacted by a listener 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: letting us know about a terrible situation with a puppy 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: that was taken on by a relatively new animal welfare 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: group called Save a Poor NTA. Now, two vet nurses 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: started the group due to high demand for unwonted pets 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: and vet care in the Northern Territory community. And I'm 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: pleased to say that they both joined me in the 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: studio this morning. I have got both Well where do 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: I go? 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: First? I might go to Meg Hanson. 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Meg, Yeah, really good. Sorry, I'll 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: turn the wrong microphone up then after that and Indy Kenna, 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: good morning to having us. 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: Thank you both so much for joining me in the studio. 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Now, first off, tell me a little bit about yourselves 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: and why you decided to start Save a Poor. 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Save a Poor is very close to our 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: hearts as two vet nurses in the industry for about 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: six or seven years now, we've just seen a big 20 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: gap where a lot of animals come through and our 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 3: hands are tired where we can't help them. 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of dealing with mass euthanasia because there 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 4: was a lack of avenues for these animals animals to 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: go through. All of the rescue groups up here do 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: an amazing job, but everyone's at capacity. If we all 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: have our own limits, and yeah, when when another group 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 4: has capacity, sometimes we'll be able to take them. Mind, 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 4: when we're at capacity, another group can take you. 30 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Meg, I might just get you to move that mic 31 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: slightly closer to you, just so we can hear you 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: really nicely and loudly. 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: You know, it must be a really. 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Difficult situation that you guys find yourselves in at different 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: times when, as you've seed, we know that a lot 36 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: of our animal welfare groups are at capacity. We know 37 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: that there is such a high demand, and I would 38 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: imagine it would be quite quite shattering when you know, 39 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: when an animal does need to be euthanased because there's 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: no other option. 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: So so tell us a little bit more about how 43 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: save a Poor int works and and you know a 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: bit more of some of the work that you've done. 45 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's just the two of us, So basically 46 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: we've saved since February. 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: We've been going how many animals. 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: Have one hundred and forty one hundred and forty Yeah, 49 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 3: as so, I mean it's like we're working two full 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: time jobs and it's it's all love. There's yeah, it's 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: it's a completely big love job. We're both super invested 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: in animal welfare and taking on these babies and need 53 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: our help. 54 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: And what's the So what's the process? How do they 55 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: come into your care? How do you end up in 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: a situation where you are saving saving the animals? 57 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 4: We get contacted by a number of people, So member 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: of the public usually contact us. We're here contacted by counsels. Yeah, 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: if someone needs a hand with something, they usually just 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: reach out to us. We want to help everyone in 61 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 4: any way we can. That sometimes includes you know, people 62 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: surrender their dogs to us. We all cats, sorry, we 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 4: yet medical surrenders through our work, and other clinics do 64 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: sometimes reach out to us as well. And also like 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: we can take on like we do a lot of 66 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: council collection too. 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: And so then what are you two? 68 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: You're foster caring those for those animals and looking after them. 69 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we run through the generosity of the public. 70 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: Really we have through foster cares. 71 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: We don't have a shelter like other rescues, which in 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: some ways we like because our animals get put straight 73 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: into families so they never in a shelter environment. They 74 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: get put straight into loving homes and learn to trust 75 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: and love again. 76 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: It must be difficult, honestly, you two you're working full 77 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: time jobs and then you're doing. 78 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: That like it must be. It's a tough job. 79 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely teamwork. We're on the same page with everything. 80 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: I think just having two people that just we both 81 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: have the same passion and we both want the same 82 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: outcome and it just works. 83 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Now. The reason I guess we came to know about 84 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: the work that you are doing is because we were 85 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: contacted by a listener and I know that you have 86 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: been documenting the journey of Justice on social media. Can 87 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: you tell me how did the puppy end up in 88 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: your care? 89 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: So we were contacted by Darwin City Council. The puppy, 90 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: to our knowledge, was found in moil and was brought 91 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: into the council to be impounded as Australia animal. She 92 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: also needed a lot of vet care, so she was 93 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: referred on to us because we can provide that vet care. 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: And so what's been the situation with Justice? 95 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 4: So on intake Justice had a body condition score of 96 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: one out of five, which is characterized by the lumbar 97 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: spine being out, the bones being very very prominent through 98 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: the pelvis, things like that. She had no muscle mass 99 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: and no visible body fat, so she was very very malnourished. 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: She also had e canis, which is the tick borne 101 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: disease that is well established throughout Australia now, so she 102 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: had secondary conditions. 103 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: Because of that too. Has she survived. 104 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we did have to put her to sleep because 105 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: she did develop right side heart failure. 106 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: That would be really tough, really hard for you guys, 107 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: but you are I mean you are both fitnesses and 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: you also know what's beast for an animal, right, Yeah. 109 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: I mean she came to us with the broken spirit 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: and broken heart, and I think that's just Meg and 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: I weren't willing to give up. Like a lot of 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: when people would have sit seen her, she would have 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: been like everyone probably would have thought she probably should 115 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: have been euthanase because of the condition she was in. 116 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: But we saw that she was a little fighter and 117 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: we wanted to give her the best chance possible. But 118 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: I think just her condition, just her body just failed her. 119 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 4: And even through all her treatments, like she had blood 120 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: transfusion multiple medications. We end up sending her for an 121 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: echocardiogram to see what her heart was doing. Through all 122 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: of that, she was really really happy. Like, at no 123 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 4: point during her treatment did she kind of look like 124 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: she'd had enough. Like she approached all of our treatment 125 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: plans with like as keen as a dog could be there. 126 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: And you know, like I sort of think from a 127 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: real dog lover's perspective, she also got that love, you know, 128 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: that she needed and some care that she needed, particularly. 129 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: Before her life ended, you. 130 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: Know, And and I think that that's that's a really 131 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: good thing that you've both been able to do and 132 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: tried your best. 133 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: To help justice. Now, what's what's been the. 134 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: Reaction to the situation online? Has it been quite? Has 135 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: there been a lot of people following her journey. 136 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've the communities had our back, I mean from 137 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: from February we found the communities had our back. 138 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: But particularly with this case. 139 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: We've got a lot of community donations. A lot of 140 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: people wanted to see justice do well. I think when 141 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: Duhn City Council impounded her, they do post, you know, 142 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: all their impounded animals. She did gain a lot of 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: traction from that because obviously the condition that she was 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 4: in and her demodectic range that she had kind of 145 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: pulled at everyone's heartstrings, I think from the get go. 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 4: So yeah, we've had a lot of people follow her 147 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: journey and reach out to us, and yeah, it's been 148 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: a really, really good reaction. 149 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: Do you know exactly what the situation was for her 150 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: before she came into your care? 151 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm assuming she's not being dafter. 152 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: So we're not. Obviously there's a lot of confidential stuff 153 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: that we a chair, but due to all of her 154 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: secondary conditions that she developed and the condition that she 155 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: was in, it is very likely or one that she 156 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 4: was at the hands of human neglect. 157 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that it breaks your heart, Like I do 158 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: not know what kind of human you've got to be 159 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: to treat an animal poorly, but particularly you know, dogs 160 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: are so loving every moment you see them. You can 161 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: come home, you're in the you know, you can be 162 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: in a grumpy mood, and they are so loving. There's 163 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: such incredible creatures and I can never ever wrap my 164 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: head around how somebody could treat treat a dog poorly. 165 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: It is absolutely devastating. I mean, do you think we 166 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: need some tougher animal welfare laws following on from that 167 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: situation that you guys. 168 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: Are saying, just this is just one of the many 169 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: cases that are out there that are suffering in silence, 170 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: and there needs to be tougher animal welfare laws around this. 171 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: There needs to be more education to our community about 172 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: animal welfare and stricter regulations. 173 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Definitely, now you too, I mean you sound like you're 174 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: doing a great job. There is no doubt about the 175 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: hash you know what? Where too from here? 176 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: I guess because you are juggling those two jobs. Do 177 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: you need community support? 178 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: You know? 179 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: Where are you at? 180 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 4: I actually cannot speak highly enough of our community. 181 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: I am so proud. 182 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 4: I am originally from Queensland. You have moved up here 183 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: seven years ago, and you know, prior to this, I 184 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 4: was as much involved in the Dun community as I 185 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 4: can be. But the community, it's like for me to 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: see it, it's I'm very, very proud of our community. 187 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 4: Everyone has had our back, everyone has been so helpful. 188 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 3: We truly feel like we've developed a family starting save 189 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: a poor with our community and our foster carers. We 190 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: would not be able to do without our foster carers. 191 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: They just take on these animals treat them like their 192 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: own line. 193 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just. 194 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: And even again the community spport like, we would not 195 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: be able to do this without everyone. 196 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So can people just follow you, follow your journey 197 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: on Facebook? Where or do you have a website at 198 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: this point in time? Just Facebook? 199 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, just Facebook at the stage out ye. 200 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: So save a poor and save a poor and if 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: they want to find out a little bit more. 202 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Thank you both so much for coming in. 203 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: I think it's incredible that you're doing this work and 204 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: you're both also juggling a full time job and and 205 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, doing your best to try to save justice 206 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: as well. Good on you, and like, I love seeing 207 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: people just doing stuff out of the goodness of their 208 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: hearts for the community, and that's certainly what it seems 209 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: like you two are doing. So I really appreciate you 210 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: coming in and having your chat.