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Speaker 1: This is jam Nason, We're Jeneslanda.

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Speaker 2: What an extraordinary feat. Thirteen years later and this also

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Speaker 2: is still the world's highest grossing film. Was there a

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Speaker 2: moment where you thought we can't go higher, we can't

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Speaker 2: go back, or were you in from the beginning?

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Speaker 1: I don't think we approached the first movie of that

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Speaker 1: much arrogance to think that, oh, this movie would be

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Speaker 1: very successful. I think, you know, I remember Jim telling

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Speaker 1: us before we sold the first movie that science fiction

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Speaker 1: is a hard genre for people to sometimes connect with.

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Speaker 1: So just promote the movie that we love to make

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Speaker 1: and hopefully people can connect to it. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think we were cocky thinking this Avatar one would be

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Speaker 1: as well received as it was. So then going into

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Speaker 1: the second one, you can't have any of that hubris.

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Speaker 1: You just have to make a genuine and authentic story

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Speaker 1: and try to advance where these characters go and where

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Speaker 1: they live.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a sequel in the sense that

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Speaker 3: you know studios make sequels. You know your cash and

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Speaker 3: on the success of the first one. You know, Gems

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Speaker 3: of Storyteller is very authentic in terms of like this

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Speaker 3: more story to tell here, So he approaches it as

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Speaker 3: a storyteller. That's how I perceive him anyway. He's not

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Speaker 3: trying to make a repeat or a copy of a

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Speaker 3: successful formula. He's like, going, I have to tell more story.

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Speaker 3: There's so much more to explore in this world and

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Speaker 3: these characters.

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Speaker 2: And the visuals, and it still takes it from there.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing because we spoke to Sam thirteen years ago

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Speaker 4: when it came out, and I remember at the time saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: there'll be a sequel, surely, and you were, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't discussed.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't discussed. But then thirteen years.

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Speaker 1: Later, yeah, you can to remember thought it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: we took ten years off. I think about twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: guys were fiddling with technology to see where it could go.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, I was pushing my pregnant wife around the

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Speaker 1: rooms that like stormed the production company where they had

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Speaker 1: the pictures for the next four movies that was taken

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Speaker 1: from A Jim's story. And then it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: how are we going to do that? And then in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen was when we first kind of got into it.

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Speaker 1: And then each day you're trying to solve this problem

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Speaker 1: of how to.

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Speaker 2: Make these movies, and how does it feel for the

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Speaker 2: both of you when you actually watch the film, because

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Speaker 2: I'm imagining that your day on set might be you

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Speaker 2: in your undies against a green screen.

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Speaker 1: How does it.

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Speaker 2: Feel for the first time when you are immersed. It

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Speaker 2: must be incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's very overwhelming for me.

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Speaker 1: Future Well, it's different for me because you see it

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Speaker 1: as you're doing it, So you're seeing a rudimentary form

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Speaker 1: on the screen. So even if you're in a water

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Speaker 1: tank thirty feet deep, your movements are translated into this

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Speaker 1: form that we can see. So for someone like a

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Speaker 1: Cliff who's new to it, it's more when you see

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Speaker 1: the finished product, you're seeing yourself.

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Speaker 3: I think also my nature has sort of I describe

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Speaker 3: myself as a skeptical optimist. So I'm optimistic that it's

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Speaker 3: going to be great, but I'm skeptical that it actually

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Speaker 3: will be so. So I'm hopeful, you know, and it

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Speaker 3: couldn't be a bit of set up for it to exceed, sure,

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Speaker 3: but I'm skeptical that how ambitious the scripts are, that

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Speaker 3: you can actually stay at least at the level of

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Speaker 3: the first one and push it further.

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Speaker 1: And the things I'm a plated whales, yes, and skim

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Speaker 1: wings and creatures that don't exist.

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Speaker 3: So technically you can do that, but are you going

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Speaker 3: to care? Are you going to feel anything? And that's

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Speaker 3: that's that's the mystical part of it.

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Speaker 2: It is And I even felt weepy. We saw a

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Speaker 2: half hour. I was so emotional at the end of that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I found that the technology now from the first adveratars.

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Speaker 4: So I took my son who's now twenty when it

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Speaker 4: first came out, and he was eight at the time,

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Speaker 4: and we left the movie and I said, don what

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Speaker 4: do you think of that? And he said, I just

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Speaker 4: can't talk right now. So it was it was that,

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Speaker 4: you know, emotional for him.

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Speaker 1: It's a great thing of when you first watch it,

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Speaker 1: you're going, what am I watching? Yeah, because especially in

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Speaker 1: this one, the water technology and everything, it's unbelievably advanced.

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Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, how did they do it?

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Speaker 1: And then you forget all that and you just go

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Speaker 1: with the alchemy of what filmmaking is do it which

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Speaker 1: she just transports you to another world.

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Speaker 4: So there's a third one in the works? Does that mean?

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Speaker 4: And you have to wait another thirteen years or so?

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Speaker 1: We filmed. We filmed about eighty five percent of three,

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Speaker 1: and I think.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that's all coming completed now.

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Speaker 1: I think they're filming rendered, and then we've done some

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Speaker 1: scenes from four because the kids were aging out, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and then if if we're lucky, we'll conclude four and five.

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Speaker 2: Do you miss the muscles when you have to go

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Speaker 2: back to real life?

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Speaker 3: I got to discover them because you look pretty.

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Speaker 4: Cliff, You look pretty good in that. You know, we

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Speaker 4: know what Sam looks like you.

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Speaker 3: I'm pleased. I'm a little disappointed for my wife.

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Speaker 4: Saying can I get him?

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Speaker 1: He kept the loin cloth.

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Speaker 3: And fantasy worth versus reality.

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Speaker 4: Well, guys, we are so looking forward to Avatar. The

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Speaker 4: Way of Water Instidum is December sixteen. Sam Cliff, thank

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Speaker 4: you for joining.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you,