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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadigl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of October. I'm Zara, and this morning

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Speaker 2: we're bringing you a very special episode of the Daily Odds.

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Speaker 2: Last week, our amazing team brought you many an update

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Speaker 2: from Canberra after our first look at this year's federal budget.

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Speaker 2: Now this morning, Tom Crowley is back and he's bringing

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Speaker 2: a special guest, Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers, to ask the

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Speaker 2: big questions on what the Treasurer prioritized in this year's

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Speaker 2: budget and why.

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Speaker 3: Treasure Thanks very much, thank you. I want to start

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Speaker 3: by picking up on something that you talk about a lot,

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Speaker 3: which is that the budget is like a conversation between

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Speaker 3: the government and the public about our challenges and choices.

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Speaker 3: If you had to distial one key message we want

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Speaker 4: What would that be, Oh, that at a time when

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Speaker 4: we've got all of this inflation in the economy and

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Speaker 4: prices are going up, we've got to make sure that

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Speaker 4: the government's not adding to the problem. And so we've

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Speaker 4: tried to make the budget really responsible at the same

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Speaker 4: time as we've provided some cost of living relief and

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Speaker 4: kept our commitments in some of our important policy areas.

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Speaker 3: On that question of the cost of living pressures, which

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Speaker 3: I think is very tangible for a lot of people

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Do you understand the frustration I mean,

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Speaker 3: clearly there is this sort of balance in not wanting

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Speaker 3: to make the problem worse, but the frustration that more

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Speaker 3: couldn't have been done in an immediate sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that. I mean, I think inevitably, when

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Speaker 4: you do a budget, some people would like you to

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Speaker 4: do more and some people would like you to do less,

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Speaker 4: and you've got to try and find a responsible middle

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Speaker 4: path between that, you know, and I listened respectfully to

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Speaker 4: and I do understand that people are doing it incredibly tough,

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Speaker 4: that the impact of higher prices in our economy does

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Speaker 4: fool disproportionately on different parts of our community. I understand

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Speaker 4: that we help where we can, but we need to

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Speaker 4: be really careful here. The budget's got to be incredibly responsible,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise the worst outcome, particularly for vulnerable people, would

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Speaker 4: be if a budget contributed to higher inflation and higher

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Speaker 3: I suppose picking up on that idea of things that

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Speaker 3: ask the question about I suppose comparing something like the

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Speaker 3: job seeker payment, where the Prime Minister has said it

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Speaker 3: should be higher, and then looking at the fact that

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Speaker 3: top earners have thousands of dollars in tax cuts coming

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Speaker 3: in a couple of years time, do you sort of

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Speaker 3: understand the again, the frustration that some people might express

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, I think you're right to point

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Speaker 4: and there's a couple of budgets between now and then.

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Speaker 4: But the broader point around job seeker you know, I

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Speaker 4: think as labor people and as a labor government, you know,

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Speaker 4: we always want to try and find ways to be

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Speaker 4: more supportive of the most vulnerable in our society. And

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Speaker 4: that's why, you know, one of the first well, I

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Speaker 4: I think that's really important. I think that's often overlooked,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not you know, I'm not pretending that this

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Speaker 4: have taken a decision to make this happen. But people

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Speaker 3: Without talking about specific policies, do you think that this

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Speaker 4: Part of that. Yeah, I think it is. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's definitely the defining challenge in our economy. And you know,

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Speaker 4: almost everything we did in the budget in one way

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Speaker 4: And we expect inflation to peek at the end of

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Speaker 4: it will hang around higher than we'd like for longer

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Speaker 4: So this is what's impacting on inflation, on the cost

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Speaker 4: define how we go about economic policy over the course

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Speaker 4: another one that may after that, and I suspect we'll

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Speaker 4: be dealing with some combination of these challenges for some time.

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Speaker 3: Another one of the challenges that came up in the

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think what we showed in the budget was

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Speaker 4: you need to do a number of things simultaneously. You know,

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Speaker 4: you need to show spending restraint. We tick that box.

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Speaker 4: You need to trim spending where you think it's been wasteful.

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Speaker 4: You know where Barnaby Joyce has been flying around Australia

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Speaker 4: of a coast, making commitments all around the place. Obviously

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Speaker 4: you need to trim that back. We did that. That

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Speaker 4: we more work to do there, but there is a

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Speaker 4: role for sensible tax reform I think too. And what

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Speaker 4: we did in the budget was start to ensure that

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Speaker 4: billions of dollars, and that's a really important start. I

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Speaker 4: suspect in the future we'll need some combination of those

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Speaker 4: it comes to the spending pressures on the budget. I mean,

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Speaker 4: a lot of these things are things that we want

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Speaker 4: We want to support people with a disability. We want

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Speaker 4: national security. That's really important to us. All of that

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Speaker 4: room for that. But we also need to make sure

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Speaker 4: which grow over time, that we're getting some value for money.

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Speaker 4: And so to people who are on the National Disability

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Speaker 4: is we want to put people with a disability at

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Speaker 4: the center of the NDAs. We want to make sure

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Speaker 4: Part of that is making sure that every dollar we

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Speaker 4: not being wasted or aughted. And that's what a lot

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Speaker 4: of the reviews that Bill Shorten, who's the Minister for

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Speaker 3: Some of these trickier conversations about tax I mean, they've

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Speaker 3: prime ministers in the past. Some of the thorny debates

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Speaker 3: about this, Well, what do you think your approach will

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty realistic about it. You know, I understand

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Speaker 4: one budget you would like to do. It need to

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Speaker 4: make difficult tax changes. I know that these are thawnyish,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not pretending otherwise. You don't become the Treasury

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Speaker 4: We made some difficult choices already, There'll be more to come,

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Speaker 4: explain that where we have taken action as we did

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Speaker 4: I think there's an appetite for some real talk in

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Speaker 4: of these difficult decisions. It is inevitably difficult. These are hard,

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Speaker 4: a consequence of the COVID or whatever. Some of these

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Speaker 3: One final question. A lot of our audience are sort

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Speaker 3: of young people and issues like climate change and hausing affordability,

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Speaker 3: when they hear talk about trade offs and difficult choices,

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Speaker 3: How would you kind of respond to that sort of concern.

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Speaker 4: I understand that there is some anxiety about the future

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Speaker 4: out me. I think people are typically relatively optimistic. I

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Speaker 4: know I am, but there is this sense of anxiety

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Speaker 4: that great Jimmy Iven said about fear is a tailwind,

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Speaker 4: not a headwind. You know, we should be using our

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Speaker 4: areas like climate change, and we've got a big substantial

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Speaker 4: year horizon, we actually know where some of these challenges

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