1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The Will and Woody Podcast. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: That's Fight Sized. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 3: We are here for November all the way through November, 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 3: and we're having moments with beautiful, beautiful people to really 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: really shine a light on some important issues that November 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 3: do a wonderful job of really being vulnerable about and 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: sharing with other people all across Australia. And today we've 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 3: got an exceptional guest who joined. 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Us on the show. 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: It's November. 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 4: Help change the face of men's health. Whatever you grow, 12 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 4: we'll say it, bro zonat now at November dot com. 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: It's Will and. 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: Woody Bull today, the one, the only. Then you give 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: this boke a segment on the show, Shannon, No. 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Good o boys there going good night? 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: How are you? 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. That's having Oh mate, we're going 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: really well. 20 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: We feel a bit dogged by you last time. You 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: chose to build some stables rather than some to help 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: us out. Hey, Nasy, I don't think we've actually spoken 23 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: to you, uh specifically about mental health before, but I 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: know I know I was doing some reading before, and 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: I know that you ended up in a really pretty 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: shocking spot in two thousand and one after the after 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: the death of your dad. Can you Can you talk 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 3: a little bit about that for us? 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, my Yeah, it was a really tough stuff the 30 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: family obviously was a unexpected farming accident, which which was 31 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: which what happened to dad, you know, and so we 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: were sort of you know, Dad was always sort of 33 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: the the strong one in the family, is leading away 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, and I think none of 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: us ever really expected anything like that happen, that to 36 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: happen as you would as you wouldn't, you know what 37 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean, So it really really rocked us. Mate, my 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: brother and I really did a tough afterwards. My brother 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and I were there. I just sort of drove the 40 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: goat just after it happened, but my other brother was 41 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: there when it happened, and yeah, it was a really 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: really tough time we saw. I always you never been 43 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: the same since after after something like that, you know, 44 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a really difficult time, 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: and sort of because obviously the person that you not 46 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: only asked what to do in situation that that was 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: the one who got taken top. So it was really 48 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: fun and so nosey. 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: And the other part about that as well is that 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: you know, and this is sort of the nature of tragedy, 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: isn't it is that you know, when you both when 52 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: you most need your resilience and your best sense of 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: self forever around you, that the worst parts of yourself 54 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: can can start to show up. And I know that 55 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: for you that that included booze and drugs and depression 56 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: and everything else that came with it. 57 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah mate. You know, my son was six 58 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: weeks old at the time, my first born, so it 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: was it was Dad's first grandson, just just six weeks 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: old when it happened. So you know, just sort of 61 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: sit back now and realize what we're now. There's you know, 62 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I've got four kids and my brother's got got twelve kids. 63 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 3: Nosey or four four being busy snow. 64 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: White, there no no for mate, you know, yeah, definitely mate. 65 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: It was sort of really put us in a tail spin. 66 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think you know obviously, but in saying 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: that too, it sort of droves me to to really 68 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: push my music career really, So I've got a part 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: of part of me thinks that I don't know if 70 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I'd have pursued it in a way that I did eventually, 71 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: which you know, sort of consequently ended up where I 72 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: sort of am today. So I sort of I suppose 73 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: you got a look at the bright side and things, 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm probably been happy working on the 75 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: farm with dad and just doing music on the weekend, 76 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: you know. So you know, so it was it was, Yeah, 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: it was a really tough time there. 78 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I feel like tough times like that as well, Nosy 79 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: sort of build your mental fitness and mental resilience as well. 80 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: And I'm sort of reading that quote from your mate 81 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: from actually this is twenty fourteen after you had you 82 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: injured your back chopping some wood, and you've said in 83 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: an interview here that you never really understood the process 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: of depression and at that time, but they're going through that, 85 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: you understood that a bit more so, I guess my farf. 86 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: I mean, we're sort of almost ten years on now 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: from that accident. But what's your relationship like now with 88 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: your mental health? 89 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's really good now, mate. What happened? I 90 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, I had a back to back 91 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: my back injury and then it was actually on Dance 92 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: with the Start in two twelve whatever when it was 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I do Dance with the Starts back injured croky Yeah, 94 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: and then so I went and had the operation, and 95 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: then the doctor I was bleat for a bit of 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: a drop foot, which is because of nerve damage from 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: yoursiatics L five one. Yeah, then nerves got obviously your 98 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: pelvis down and it's they're lifting up notion of your foot. 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: So when when that sort of that, you get that 100 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: drop foot. You know, you see people sometimes they will 101 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: they're walking along and they lift their leg up really high, 102 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: and it's because they're the actually their foot they're totally 103 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: lifting up. Doesn't work. So just to stop prevent tripping 104 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: on things, I sort of have to step really high. 105 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: And then so after that operational, because I sort of 106 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: was in a two days after the operation, I was 107 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: sort of wake up in the morning and had had 108 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: to blood through the sheets. I've been scratching my foot 109 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: with my other foot and didn't realize and I'd scratched 110 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: through the skin the pink because you get nothing with 111 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: the damage, you get pins and needles in your feet 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing as well. So it was 113 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: I went and then I went to send the doctor 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, that you know that you can't 115 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: fix that? Really, I thought, Yeah, for the first time 116 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: I sort of realized that you know, I was never 117 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: going to be the same again, you know what I mean, 118 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: And and that sort of realization, you know, it was 119 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: a hard, hard one to sort of to digest. 120 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: You know. 121 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: So that was a and then I sort of was 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: sitting at a baby window that we had on this 123 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: on when we were living there was just out of Melbourne. 124 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: Actually save that thought, because I think this is the 125 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: important part for everyone when you when you're at rock bottom, 126 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: I do want to hear how you dug yourself out, mate. 127 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: I think that's important for everyone to here. 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So, Shan, you had to say before the song, 144 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: mate that you, after Dancing with the Stars, had a 145 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: bit of an injury known as drop foot. 146 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, mate, Yeah, from a yeah a disk injury, 147 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: corrupt disc yeah yeah. 148 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because all sorts of physical issues. And you said 149 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: you're obviously sort of struggling at that point. And just 150 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: before the song you mentioned that you had a moment mate, 151 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: where you were looking at the window and we'd love 152 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: to pick it up from there. 153 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, so yeah, they sort of properly had a 154 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: bay window, and it was when we bought it. It 155 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: was sort of part of the reason we bought it, 156 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: you know. It was just such a gorgeous little view. 157 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there one day and I looked 158 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: at it, the same view and it just didn't I didn't. 159 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: It felt wrong, you know what I mean. So at 160 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: that moment, I sort of had had a bit of 161 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: a realization that you know, obviously the view hadn't changed, 162 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: it was me who sort of had sort of changed, 163 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: you know. So I started to I went, you know, 164 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: I think I could be in a bit of trouble here, 165 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: so wow, So I started. What I did was you know, 166 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: at that time too was a bit music was a 167 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: bit tough as well, and I just booked a heap 168 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: of shows as many as I possibly could and just 169 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: went on the road. There was not a great deal 170 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: of money to be made out of the show is 171 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: but I think what just the sets of of getting 172 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: something done, you know, the sense of faction of doing 173 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: something and being worth something, you know what I mean. 174 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: And obviously saying the people the shows too, helped me 175 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: greatly as well, you know. And and it was something 176 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: that I really really pushed hard at and and and 177 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: really put my head down and just and went as 178 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: hard as I could, you know, and I sort of 179 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: just kept and then it sort of just started to 180 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: lift above it, you know what I mean. And then 181 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: then that sort of you know, obviously providing for the 182 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: family and all that sort of thing. You know, it 183 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: was just sort of try to turn it, yeah, sense 184 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: of purpose and trying and put a positive, positive spin 185 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: on on you know, self worth and all that sort 186 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: of stuff. 187 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: You know. 188 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: So it was it was that's that sort of thing. 189 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously, you know, hard work, pretty 190 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: nice things came from that. And then then you know, 191 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: I started sort of getting a foothold back back going again, 192 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: and and then obviously I sits then had a spinal fusion, 193 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: which is so the back only got worse. But but 194 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: but now it's sort of on a few years playing 195 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: free now with it not completely but but pretty much. 196 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: It was a pretty hectic co operation, the final one 197 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: that I've had. 198 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: Can I take you back to that that moment, because 199 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 3: I think this is, you know, just a really important bit. 200 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: I get depressed, mate, And it's it's funny that, like 201 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: often it takes you a really long time to admit 202 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: to you, to admit to yourself that you are depressed. 203 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: You're in denial for so long. And I think, you know, 204 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: the really slippery bit about it, and this is the 205 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: dangerous part about it, is that you can be in 206 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: denial up to the point where you take your own life. 207 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: And I know, doing some interviews a little while ago 208 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: when we were releasing the Shami Mood app that it 209 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: was something crazy like sixty percent of men in the 210 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: UK who took their own life didn't consider themselves depressed. 211 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: They didn't know what they were dealing with. So it 212 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: was almost really fortunate that you stumbled into that view 213 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: that day and you had kind of like a yardsteck 214 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: because you knew it used to make you happy, and 215 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: you got to the point in your hand, this isn't 216 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: what's going on. Something's quite working here. It's really lucky 217 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: that you that you had that. And then the other 218 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: part of that, which I think is brilliant and I 219 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: think is a great message for people who are struggling 220 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: with their mental health, is you know, for you, working 221 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: was something as productive and as fulfilling and as like 222 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: a team exercise, you know, touring with a band, achieving something. 223 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: I know in some circles a group therapy will be 224 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 3: to get a whole bunch of patients together and get 225 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: them to work on a garden together, so they yeah 226 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: look back at a garden after a period of time 227 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: and be like, hey, look what we all did together. 228 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: Because it's just because another big part of it is 229 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: just being lonely, being by yourself and not having and 230 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: I need to spell the lifeline number here thirteen eleven 231 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: fourteen for anyone else that is feeling lonely or at 232 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: the thin ende of the wedge like nausea, because not 233 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 3: everyone can pull themselves out. And I know, you know, 234 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: you working rurally as you have done in the past, 235 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: and your dad did, and all your brothers do, and 236 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: you continue to do that. It's it's something that a 237 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: lot of farmers and a lot of blokes rurally take 238 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: on board themselves and it never ends. 239 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, man. And the big thing is sort of 240 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: something because it's always been such a subject. You know, nobody, 241 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk about it because it's sort of 242 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: because it's showing them has been vulnerable, and sometimes they 243 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: think that they're week if they talk about it, you know. 244 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, over the last five or 245 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: six years, I think there's been a lot of focus 246 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: on it and a lot more information and a lot 247 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: of conversation about it that might help people now realize that, 248 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's not such a big deal. And it's 249 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: because it's so common. I mean, where I grew up, 250 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: the town I grew up in, there was there's two 251 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: little town surrounding and there's thirteen young bloats committed suicide 252 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: before that. I knew growing up before I was sixteen, 253 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, So it's such a it's such as a 254 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: final thing. And I think that negative mindset too, it 255 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: will apply itself to anything, you know what I mean, 256 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Like as soon as you're in that, in that negative mindset, 257 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, you really struggle to find anything positive, you 258 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I mean, it's it's it's 259 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: it's a crazy thing too. I think what I've learned 260 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: over the years two is that your brain will tell 261 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: you any amount of crazy things. You know, it doesn't 262 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that that's what you actually believe or how 263 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: you feel, but it'll just it'll just throw a curveballs. 264 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: That's all the time, you know. And I think what 265 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: what helps me a lot too because obviously, you know, 266 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: I got sort of diagnosed with TOTSD after Dad passed 267 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: as well, you know, just because it's such a traumatic 268 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: because we were we were sort of you know, a 269 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: list him into a car and race the town and 270 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: try and make it to count in time, you know 271 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like you know, you don't even see 272 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff in the movie, you think. But yeah, 273 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: but so so with that what the person that I've seen, 274 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: he said, you know, if you can realize for yourself 275 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: that as soon as the negative sort props in your mind, 276 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: that it's just your mind trying to mess with you, 277 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean, And if you can 278 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: recoon that that's what your mind's doing, and then and 279 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: then block it, you find that you sort of get 280 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: better and better at that, and all of a sudden, 281 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: you know you're sort of shutting down anything negatives before 282 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: it gets a chance to really really get get into 283 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: into your Psyche's a great point. 284 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 3: It's a really good point, Nasey. If if anyone works 285 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: on gratitude training or anything like that, you're sort of 286 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: focusing on the positive thoughts and emphasizing them, and steadily 287 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: you sort of fix the balance so that your thoughts 288 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: are overwhelmingly you're noticing you still have the negative ones, 289 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: but you're noticing the positive ones more readily. Great stuff, 290 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: Mate's thirteen eleven fourteen. I've got to stress that lifeline number. 291 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: Tell you what a positive thought in my mind, Naisy 292 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: is you Mate, You are seriously mate, thank you so much. 293 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much of a role model 294 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: you'd be, not just for every man who's listening, but 295 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: especially for. 296 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: Rural men as well, thank you so much. LS really 297 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: and yeah, guys, you know, talk the biggest thing, I 298 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: believe you with guys, it's just communication. Yeah, everybody knows 299 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: if your mate's a little bit off, you know what 300 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean. And if they're a little bit off, just 301 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: talk to them. Go and have a coffee of bere 302 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: or whatever and sit down and let them talk for 303 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: a change, you know what I mean, instead of everyone 304 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: wants to tell people what to do all the time, 305 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: instead of asking them how they feel and what they want, 306 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So good yourself mcgarthy, friends 307 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: and your families. 308 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: Guys, thanks, You're a legend. 309 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: What a legend. 310 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: This November helped change the face of men's health. Your 311 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: dough will save a bro donut now November dot com. 312 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: I just wanted to stress the final thing that Nolesy 313 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: said there. He kind of slipped it in, but I 314 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: think it's really important. He said, the person I saw, 315 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: and that's a really big jump. But the person you see. 316 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: If you don't see a psychologist and you are worried 317 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: about your mental health, you are putting yourself a long 318 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: way behind. Just go and do it. It's really easy. 319 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: You'll get a lot out of it. Shannon Nole does it. 320 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: You can do it. 321 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: Now, you're done with that. Why not check out more 322 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: from Women Woody on the Full Show podcast.