1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: You may have seen in the paper over the weekend 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: there was some further discussion about flight prices and it's 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: something that is always on the agenda with our listeners. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: We absolutely want those prices lower. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: We want to be able to fly around and be. 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Connected for a reasonable price, and we know that quantas well. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: They have today launched what they've called their biggest domestic 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: sale in more than five years now, given the cost 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: of airfares for Territorians and what we cop the airline 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: is promoting the Northern Territory being included in the sale. 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Now, Kathleen joins me in the studio. 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: Good morning to your cash morning morning. 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: There's lots for us to discuss, but flight price as well. 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: You sent me through some of the prices that or 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: some of the places that are on sale at the moment. 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Darwin to Brisbane two fifty darh and to Melbourne to ninety. 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: They all sound good in theory. I don't know about you. 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: Whenever I go online to book a flight that's on sale, 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: I never seem to be able to get one that's 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: on sale. 21 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: Well, i'd kind of argue that some of these don't 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: really feel like you know, Darwin to Melbourne. 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: That's almost three hundred bucks. 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 4: You also questioned Alice Springs to Sydney is being promoted 25 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: at three hundred and nineteen dollars. Yeh Adelaide to Darwin, 26 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: which you'd expect was a quite common route given the 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: connection between the NT and South Australia. Three hundred and 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 4: thirty nine dollars. Yeah, they're saying that's a Sale's even 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: a flight to Darwin to Cans you know. 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: For two hundred and ninety crazy, it's really sad. 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: I don't think it is either. I think it's bs. 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: And this is something that we've you know, we speak 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: about all the time, and I mentioned this last week. 34 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: I'd actually jumped online because my nephew's playing in the 35 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: Indigenous All Stars in for the Indigenous All Stars in 36 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: Auckland this coming weekend, and I was like, do you 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: know what, this is a massive game. 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: I really want to go and support him. Jumped online. 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I made a promise to him that 40 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: I'd have a look and see how much the flights were. 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: I'd have to fly out of Darwin at one o'clock 42 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: in the morning. 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: First off, it was going to cost me for maybe 44 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: like five hundred dollars to get to Brisbane, then stop 45 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: in Briuceble and for a few hours. Then granted I'm 46 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: obviously catching an international flight, then go from Brisbane to Auckland, 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: and that was going to cost more than five hundred dollars. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: So I was looking at. 49 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: It being around three thousand dollars and to be traveling 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: or in transit for about twelve to fifteen hours each 51 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: way with the stops in between. 52 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: And longer than you'd be on the ground in Arkland. 53 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: I'd literally be there for a day and a half. 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: So I was like, there's not you know, like as 55 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: much as you want to be able to do that, 56 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: we just don't have the opportunity to ever be able 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: to book a flight at short notice. You know, if 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: a family member passes away, if somebody is giving birth, 59 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: if there is a wedding. Is sometimes with the wedding 60 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: you can book it a little bit more in advance, 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: but very often you cannot find a flight for a 62 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: reasonable amount of money. And if you do, well, I 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: hope you're ready to get on at one o'clock in 64 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: the morning. 65 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's brutal, as an age, so brutal. 66 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so brutal and it well, Matt Cunningham's just 67 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: text and he said, yeah, exactly, sale my as I reckon, 68 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that's how the rest of the Northern Territory is feeling 69 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: this morning. Anyway, we'll talk more about that with Glenn 70 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: Hingley this morning at about ten twenty. Also this morning 71 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: we are going to catch up with Charles Dwin, University's 72 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: pro vice chancellor and chief executive, to talk a little 73 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: more about this tafe bungle, and Kyzip Peric's going to 74 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: join us on the show as well to talk about 75 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: the by election. You can't stay away and some of 76 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: these calls that the Independent should have more resources. So 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if she'll agree, but anyway, Cash, now 78 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about the by election, a 79 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: lot about the seat of Nightcliff And you've gone and 80 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: done a little bit of homework. 81 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: Were this studious when you're in high school? 82 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: No? 83 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: No, but you've done your homework for three point sixty 84 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: because you love you, Joe. 85 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: That's it. 86 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Now you went and had a look back at the 87 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: results from the twenty twenty four August election because we 88 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: want to have a bit of a closer look at 89 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the primary votes. How those preferences flowed, etc. To give 90 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: us a bit of an idea I guess of what 91 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: might happen at this by election. Now, what I thought 92 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: was really interesting to hear from the Electoral Commissioner is 93 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: once that rich is issued, I think she said twenty 94 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: four days until the election then happens. That's a really 95 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: quick time. So I would suspect that all of the 96 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: political parties and independence, whether you're talking Greens, whether you're 97 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: talking Labor, whether you're talking the COLP or any of 98 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: those independents, that you'd have to be fairly high profile 99 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: in your electorate to be putting your hand up, because 100 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: you've literally got twenty four days to make yourself known 101 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: to everybody in that electorate. 102 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: It's a short time, yep. 103 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: And you expect that some of those faces you've already 104 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: seen during the general election, whether or not they ran 105 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: in Nightcliff, they probably potentially ran elsewhere, will put their 106 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: hand up. You see that a lot that those kinds 107 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 4: of people do target the by election for a specific 108 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 4: seat because you. 109 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: Don't have to live in that electorate. Two run. 110 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: I did see the COLP put up and expressions of 111 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: interest calling for nomination last night on Facebook. You know, 112 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: whether that suggests they've already got a name, but they're 113 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 4: obviously throwing it out there to try and entie some 114 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: more people. Obviously, Matt mentioned his Labor sources had been 115 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: talking about this for probably over a year, six months 116 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: into the term of whether Cat McNamara was going to 117 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: stick around, so they've probably already had plans in place, 118 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, looking at Nightcliff, it is one of the 119 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: It is the most progressive electorate people argue, obviously, being 120 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: Labor aligned for over twenty four years and you know 121 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: we were quite strong as Oh, unlikely the CLP will 122 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: be in but looking back at the history of the seat, 123 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: Steve Hatton from the COLP won it in nineteen eighty 124 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: three and held it until his retirement in two thousand 125 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: and one, so it has leaned that way in the past. 126 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: Of course, the makeup of the electorate is probably different now, 127 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: the boundaries would be different, taking in different suburbs too, 128 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: but that isn't out of the realm of possibility because 129 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: the COLP on their first preferences still got twenty three 130 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: point seven percent of those first preference votes ahead of 131 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: the Greens. 132 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: So took us through those first preferences, what was you know, 133 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: what was the breakdown? 134 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: So Natasha Files did have the lead in the first 135 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 4: preferences at thirty two point eight percent of the vote, 136 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 4: that's over fourteen hundred votes. Then it was the CLP, 137 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: which was Helen's SECRETARYEP. She got twenty three points seven 138 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: percent of first preferences, one thousand and sixty votes, and 139 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: then it was Kat McNamara for the Greens at twenty 140 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: two percent, so she got nine hundred and eighty one 141 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 4: votes and that. 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: Was not even a thousand votes, no, that's right. 143 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: So it was pretty incredible. 144 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: That was one of the last seats that we were 145 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: all waiting to see declared as to who would win. 146 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: And obviously Cat won from that third percent position from 147 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 4: recounts from the preference flow, you know, she had a 148 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 4: lead of thirty three votes, so that removed any doubt 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: that the Greens had won Nincliff basically. 150 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: So it was quite extraordinary. 151 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty extraordinary. 152 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: And you know the fact that those preferences so heavily 153 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: came into play and that all of those preferences really 154 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: flowed to. 155 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: To the Greens. 156 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: You'd have to wonder whether the COLP and the ALP 157 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: are going to do a deal with each other, will 158 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: preference each other so an independent doesn't get in. 159 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: All the Greens I would expect that's the case, you know, 160 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: especially the COLP would probably not want to cross Bencher 161 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 4: in there. They do cause a bit of headaches or 162 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: just frustration for them, and Labor obviously really would like 163 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 4: an urban seat. 164 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Look, there's some interesting names being thrown around as well, 165 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: some of them just thrown around by me. 166 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. 167 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: Whether Suki where the Suki is prepared to run for 168 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the Greens. 169 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: But Suki I did text you yesterday, so please get 170 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: back to us if you listen, And to. 171 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Be blunt about it, she's got a high profile. You know, 172 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: she nearly won or she did very well in Fanny Bay, 173 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: and she is somebody who you see out in the 174 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: community very often. Then you've got you know, Phil Scott, 175 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: who obviously ran the last federal lee. I don't know 176 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: what electorate he lives in or where he lives, but 177 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: you wonder whether somebody like that may put their hand 178 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: up as a Teal candidate. Then you sort of go 179 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Names like Ed Smelch are certainly being spoken about for 180 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: the Labor Party. 181 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: Someone mentioned Brian Manning to me, yesk he obviously ran 182 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: in Port Darwin against Robert Carol. 183 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah Labor. 184 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: I wonder. 185 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: Look, I don't know as much about him and I 186 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: certainly don't see him. Even though I don't live in Nightcliff. 187 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: I do quite a bit of stuff in Nightcliff, so 188 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: you sort of you know, I do see different people 189 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: around in the Nightcliff area. He's not somebody who I 190 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: know a lot about. 191 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: No, but it goes to the idea of those kind 192 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: of higher profile people within the parties than running in 193 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: a by election, even if they don't live in that electorate, 194 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 4: even if they don't spend a lot of time in 195 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 4: that electorate. Potentially you know, Zuki obviously ran in Fanny Bay, 196 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: so yeah, absolutely. 197 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Well. Then one of the names that had been bandied 198 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: around for the COLP was actually Alan Fanny Now. Al 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: is a former Nightcliff Primary school chair, heavily involved in 200 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: the football club as well as I understand it, and 201 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: well a good bloke. I think you'd be a very 202 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: good candidate for the COLP. The other thing that's worth noting, 203 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: I reckon with whoever does put their hand up to 204 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: run for this Nightcliff by election is even if they 205 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: don't win, you put yourself on a very good footing 206 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: then for whichever party or independent that you put your 207 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: hand up for very good pushing for the general election 208 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: the next general election in terms of getting their name 209 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: out there and that recognition that won't be lost on 210 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: those major parties. They'll be thinking about that no doubt 211 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: and thinking all right, well this person will put them forward. 212 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: Even if they don't win, they're then a very good chance, 213 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, when the general election happens, particularly if there's 214 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: any kind of swing away from the COLP Labor would 215 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: be thinking that. I know there's a lot of discussion 216 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: about it being a litmus test. I guess for Selena 217 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: as the leader, same thing for Leah as the leader. 218 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: I actually think with these by elections as well, they're 219 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: hyper local. 220 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: Yes, they are. 221 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 4: Nightcliffe in particular, he's very hyper local. It's obviously leans 222 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: differently to some of those other areas of you know, 223 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: Parmesan we have always seen is very crime focused. This 224 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: is obviously a very progressive Greens environmentally conscious electorate as well. 225 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: Alongside Johnston. 226 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I have just said word. Brian Manning would 227 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: be great. 228 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: He's a ripping bloke who lives in the electorate and 229 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: would set up a good show down between the left 230 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: and the right of the Labor Party. 231 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: That's a good insight. 232 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: It's interesting, so we'll see what happens.