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Speaker 1: Just before question time in Parliament yesterday, the government gave

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Speaker 1: the voice. Well, so that members of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Parliament support the voice. Now what exactly does that mean? Well,

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line right now is the independent

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Speaker 1: member for Goider and also the former Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Kesio Puric. Good morning to Ekezier.

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Speaker 2: A good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I reckon it sounds like it's going to be Was

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Speaker 1: the notice on this motion a surprise to you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a surprise. It's a motion to discuss

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Speaker 2: and to get the anti parliament to support a particular position.

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Speaker 2: And there was no independence or I didn't get any

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Speaker 2: information from the Anti governor. I guess no one else

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Speaker 2: the COLP coming. So a very interesting strategic move on

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Speaker 2: behalf of the government.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what exactly does it mean? You know, to those

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Speaker 1: first time, what exactly does it mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, we all have heard it, unless you have had

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Speaker 2: your head in the sand. We've all heard about the

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Speaker 2: federal government wanting to take a voice to the Filly

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Speaker 2: Parla to get Abriginal Toysted Island the people's enshrined in

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Speaker 2: that constitution.

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Speaker 1: Well, just seem to be losing you a bit there, Keasier,

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Speaker 1: can you hear us still?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I can? Can you hear me? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I can now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay. The voice is what the common well or

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Speaker 2: the Federal Labor government wants to have happened, and it

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Speaker 2: comes out from the Uterarys statement of a couple of

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Speaker 2: years back to have abridgemontaristat island people's position, their voice

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Speaker 2: whatever enshrined in our constitution. So what's happened in the

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Speaker 2: last little while is just enterprise. Who's the senator for

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Speaker 2: the Country Liberal Party has said she won't support it

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Speaker 2: and the Nationals aren't supporting and of course she's a

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Speaker 2: COLP member, yeah, and she has said publicly this my

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Speaker 2: behalf the party. She's just one of the members. So

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Speaker 2: perhaps this government here and the territory is wanting to

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Speaker 2: tease out exactly what the Country Liberal Party's position will

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Speaker 2: be in regard to supporting the referendum or not. Whenever

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Speaker 2: it's held in all of this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did wonder that. I wondered whether it was

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Speaker 1: a move here to try and force the CLP's hand

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Speaker 1: into determining, you know, whether they do support the voice

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Speaker 1: Cunningham from sky News Today has said that rank and

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Speaker 1: file members of the Northern Territory Country Liberal Party are

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Speaker 1: So sky News has obtained motions drafted by three of

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Speaker 1: the party's branches for debate at this weekend's Central Council meeting,

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Speaker 1: position opposing the voice. So do you think this is

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Speaker 1: a matter of you know, without you knowing the inner

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think I think it's a strategic move by

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Speaker 2: the Labor government and that's their business to you know,

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Speaker 2: what they're going to try and do. But you know,

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Speaker 2: when it comes before the Parliament today, the CLP don't

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Speaker 2: they can speak to things related to it. Just because

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Speaker 2: government at some stage will conclude the debate and perhaps

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Speaker 2: actually say yes, I'll support the government's motion to support

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Speaker 2: the Voice and the referendum. All no, I won't. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: There's a very interesting debate and it could go in

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Speaker 2: has been want to do so I don't want tovate

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Speaker 1: I guess from a non you know, like a non

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Speaker 2: Why they don't? I mean when the Chief Minister was

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Speaker 2: and Natasha Phal said yes, you know, Northern Territory supports

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Speaker 2: you know, it's probably symbolic in some ways. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So, Kezia, are you supportive of this move that the

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Speaker 2: Then need to be a lot, a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot more information. Let me just put some facts for you,

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Speaker 2: Katie Aberigel of Stones right now already have many voices

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Speaker 2: There's two thousand and seven had an Aboriginal Corporation and

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Speaker 2: So my way of thinking is you've got to explain

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Speaker 2: We have since the beginning of the Assembly had an

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Speaker 2: latest I've heard is they're talking now about you know,

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Speaker 1: Just the point well, and this is the thing A

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Speaker 2: God explain it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is so much more information that's required. And look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm supportive of the Voice to Parliament if

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Speaker 1: that that our most disadvantage are actually heard, because that

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Speaker 2: Well that's true, and I've heard sedal politicians I can't

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Speaker 2: recall who have said, oh, if we had this Voice

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Speaker 2: That's not logical.

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Speaker 2: Explain to me how that is the case. Explain to

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Speaker 2: me how a voice to a federal national Parliament is

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Speaker 2: going to help, as you've said, the most disadvantaged people

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Speaker 2: it's a high falutin thing, and that's fine. We need

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff in every country, not just our country.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to convince people. You've got to give

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Speaker 2: them a lot of information. This is why referendums in

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Speaker 1: Well we are.

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Speaker 2: You're the one voting. We're taking on the journey right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will. Certainly, there's no doubt there's going to

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Speaker 1: find it incredibly interesting that the Northern Territory government's gone

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Speaker 1: more important things at this point in time, or not

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Speaker 2: That's right, more pressing things that we need to deal

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Speaker 2: it needs to be addressed, and right now that this

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Speaker 2: government should be focusing their efforts and resources, in association

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Speaker 2: It's a huge level of domestic violence and family violence

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Speaker 2: is a strategic move by the government. Yeah, box the COLP.

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Speaker 2: But you know it's up to the COLP to come

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Speaker 2: appropriate motion at this point of time and give their

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Speaker 1: Now, Kezier, before I let you go this morning, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your sort of explaining the whole process to us

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Speaker 1: a little bit more as well as you have done

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Speaker 1: I reckon, there's a lot of people that are going

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Speaker 1: to be listening to the show this morning that had

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Speaker 1: no idea that this has sort of happened yesterday in Parliament.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you just finally, we

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Speaker 1: know the collapse of Projects C Dragon, it's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a hit for the Northern Territory, particularly when we

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Speaker 1: look at that forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there needs to be an inquiry into

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Speaker 2: I'd say there's not a need for an inquiry, but

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Speaker 2: support that governments gives to what they call it to

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Speaker 2: be major projects. Now, when a government gives the project

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Speaker 2: major project status, what that really means is they're giving

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Speaker 2: attention to this project to get it happening quicker than normal.

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Speaker 2: So it's meant to expedite the approval processes. It's meant

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Speaker 2: to have the proponent you know, who was doing the project,

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Speaker 2: work more closely with government officials to get their project

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Speaker 2: over the line. So perhaps those processes need to be

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Speaker 2: looked at by the government. But in regard to the

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Speaker 2: money that the government spent on this project and perhaps

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Speaker 2: the sun cable, which other major projects, that infrastructure, you know,

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Speaker 2: the silly of the gun Point road and sitting the

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Speaker 2: road at wherever the game station way, that's still a bonus,

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Speaker 2: that's a legacy. Some people say, oh, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: wasted money. No, it's not wasted money. Selling our road

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Speaker 2: network is good spending of money, So there may be

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Speaker 2: some money that the company got from the anti government.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but they probably do need to look

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Speaker 2: carefully at the real commercial reality of these projects, and

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Speaker 2: perhaps that's not what they're doing. I mean, any proponent

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Speaker 2: is one of going to talk up their project, you know,

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Speaker 2: particularly if they're a publicly listed company, because it looks

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Speaker 2: good on the stock market and therefore good for their

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Speaker 2: shares and share price. So perhaps the government needs to

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Speaker 2: have a hard look at how they go about awarding

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Speaker 2: major project status. Does it really stack up and don't

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Speaker 2: get seduced by the romanticism of you know, twenty two

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Speaker 2: hundred and three hundred billion dollar project type of things.

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Speaker 2: So there probably are some questions to ask case, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think it needs a full on inquiry under

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Speaker 2: the Inquiries Act the audience through a Parliamentary committee. But

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Speaker 2: definitely the government needs to have a good look at

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Speaker 2: how they go about a war callding major project status.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kisier Puric, the Independent Member for goid, I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you very much and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow for the week that

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Speaker 2: Was Yep, we'll do thank thank you.