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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, massive news over the weekend, with the US Defense

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Speaker 2: Look, I just think that we need to make sure

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, has the Northern Territory government had

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm assuming as well, once the Prime Ministers

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Speaker 1: Minister, I want to move along to the corrections portfolio.

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Speaker 2: is on community safe, all right.

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Speaker 1: One thing I do want to ask about is a

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Speaker 1: Now we know the Northern Territory government made changes to

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Speaker 1: So we'll serve no additional time behind bars for the

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Speaker 1: why aren't crimes being added to this sentence or you know,

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Speaker 1: why aren't they getting extra time? I mean serving it

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Speaker 1: concurrently really doesn't send a very strong message to those

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Speaker 2: Yeah and O Katie, and it is concerning to hear this,

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Speaker 2: and I'll certainly be looking into that a bit more.

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Speaker 3: But we've already.

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Speaker 2: Changed the law to in relation to the front line

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Speaker 2: we will look at this and if we need to

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Speaker 2: change the law, we'll do it again. We know we've

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Speaker 2: come in into power and we've brought in Declan's law,

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Speaker 2: and then we found out that maybe not need to

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Speaker 2: and bail and we're going to continue to do that, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Because so how could you change it again?

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Speaker 2: I mean with this example, Well, I have to look

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Speaker 3: A corrections minister.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that sounds like a suitable punishment.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'd say no, I don't think so. But again,

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Speaker 2: I do have to rely upon the courts are trained professionals,

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Speaker 2: my previous life, so I do understand how those systems work.

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Speaker 2: Really up to the courts to make those decisions, and

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Speaker 2: we don't know what the circumstances off the offending were.

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Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Minister, a couple of quick ones. First off,

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Speaker 1: the situation with Santos. The South Australian government. They've warned

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Speaker 1: state's economic interest, saying that they've got levers they can

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Speaker 1: pull if required. Do you think that there are any

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Speaker 1: aspects of this sale or this proposed sale that the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government need to keep a close eye on.

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Speaker 2: We'll certainly be looking at this closely and we need

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we look over it with a

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Speaker 2: make sure that we get the balance right. But we

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Speaker 2: going to give us jobs. Remember Katie, when you have

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Speaker 2: make sure we get the balance right. But I can

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Speaker 2: ensure territories who be looking over it with a territorial lens,

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Speaker 2: but really it's a federal thing. We do know that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be the Foreign Investment Review Board from

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Speaker 2: the federal organization. We'll overlook it, but we'll certainly be

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Speaker 1: Now we also know this morning before I let you go,

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Speaker 3: What exactly is going to be included in this.

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Speaker 2: I thought this is going to be a great initiative.

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Speaker 2: For the first time you'll be able to recycle wine

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Speaker 2: and spirit bottles up to three leaders. I understand we're

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Speaker 2: expand it because this is about recycling, it's about the environment.

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Speaker 2: It's also about opportunity for little tackers to make some

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Speaker 2: and do some chores and kick up some rubbish and

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Speaker 2: recycle and make some money out of it.

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Speaker 1: I know my kids have collected cancer from occasion to occasion.

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Speaker 1: They do end up like you get a little bit

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Speaker 1: also a good thing for the environment, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And I ride my pushbike around here a lot and

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Speaker 2: I see broken bottles and spirit bottles and wine bottles,

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Chief Minister, Minister for Corrections and

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Speaker 1: Various Portfolios, thank you as always for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie