WEBVTT - The Fall Out From Megxit, Steph Claire Smith Targeted Again & The Most Cringeworthy Insta Fail 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.560 Hi, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.640 Kate and Amy Torber. Coming up on the episode, we 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.840 dissect mexit and the backlash that's followed. Steph clare Smith 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.560 targeted again by thieves. Is social media to blame and 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.520 the biggest Instagram fail of the week. But first, K, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.400 you had a pretty funny incident happened at work this week? Yeah, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.079 I did. It was quite embarrassing. I'm a bit of 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.360 a shitsterir at work and I look after the influencers. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.559 So there's one influencer a sports style that I've been 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.960 wanting to come along to the thirty sixers game for 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.240 probably like three seasons. Now, let's just name him because 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.160 I feel like people want to know it's Travis Boke. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.199 So go everyone, go Instagram Travis Bok. That doesn't leave him. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.559 Feel like everyone from Adelaide will know Travis Boke. He 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.320 has the most, he shares the most epic insta stories. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.400 He's got this absolute palace of a house where he's 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.880 got about i'd say three different fireplaces and just his 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.080 epic pool. It's big, walking drobe cute dog. Anyway, Kay, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.920 what happened with him? Disclosure. I hate Port Power, but 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.280 I love Travis Boche anyway, So he said that finally 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.960 he was coming along to a game, which I was 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.959 excited about, and so did you try and set this up? Kay? 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:14.039 Oh yeah, yeah, well I have. I basically invited all 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.319 of the Crows and port players that have lots of followers. Anyway, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.399 So my boyfriend also works at the thirty six's and 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.040 I absolutely owned him when Ali Odigin from The Bachelor 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.199 was coming along. This was why we weren't actually dating, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.560 but he'd been going on in the office about how 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.800 he was excited and drooling over her Instagram photos. So 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.759 when she was actually there at the game last year, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.160 she came up to me and I was like, oh, Ali, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.960 you see that guy over there and pointed out Race. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.240 He's so excited he hasn't stopped talking about the fact 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.960 that you're coming to the game. So I was so wild. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.080 That's pretty embarrassing. Yeah, So I was so worried leading 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.840 into the game because my friend Kyle and Reese are 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.760 also going on that they were going to embarrass me. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.480 So fortunately I didn't get embarrassed, but I did go 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.520 up and shake his hand and gave him his pass 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.680 and then I just literally like chucked the other tickets 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.040 at the other people that I didn't give a shit 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.200 about that I was. I was sitting in the crowd 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.240 with my mum and we were just watching it all 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.640 unfold because Mom's like, oh, okay, it's got the tickets 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.560 and it was like watching this sick game. And I 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.880 finally got glasses so I could actually watch. Thought I 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.360 knew you'd lose your bottle to say anything, but that 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:17.840 was the worst bit because Mum told me that she 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.120 would watch, and I was like, I don't want you 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.920 to watch, Like, stop making a big deal. It's not 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.240 a big deal. But anyway, it was quite funny. So 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.720 soph I know, at the basketball you love watching mister 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.639 fruit Chuck and Murray, But what else have you been 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.920 doing this weekend? It's so random. If anyone follows Sophie 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.720 on Instagram and they'll see that every time she goes 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.200 to the thirty sixers game, that's all she uploads. Yeah, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.800 I'm a bit fond of mister fruit Chuck. He's very cute. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.640 But well, you see the person in there, but people don't. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.639 People might not know who were not in Adelaide, where 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.120 a fruit chock is what may they sell fruit chocks 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:51.960 in Adelaide? Well? Are you serious? Yeah? That's an absolute travesty. Sorry, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.000 excuse our cat crying in the background, and he's been 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.480 introduced to going outside and now he won't stop. I 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.440 cannot believe they don't sell fruit chucks everywhere. You're serious? 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.239 Oh god, this is going to be added to Sophie's 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.200 stupid comment. Oh send it to shit Adelaide again. Well, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.080 if anyone would like any fruit chocks, she should get 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.600 him bloody sent there. Incredible. Anyway, this week, Brandon and 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.239 I have decided that we're going to go to Bali. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.680 It's only like first week of the year and we 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.800 already need a break from it, so we're gonna We 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.920 noticed there were really really cheap flights. But now my 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.480 job has been trying to track down every YouTuber's barley 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.320 vlogs to work out where I want to stay. Is 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.120 it wrong that I trust them more than like the 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.400 places on Trip Adviser. It amazes me how many crap 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.080 vlogs you'll make brand and sit through. So I actually 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:33.760 feel kind of a bit sorry for him. What he's 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.720 going to have to look at now he likes the 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.280 travel ones. Yeah, he's secretly he wouldn't watch knowing Brandon, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.040 he wouldn't stick through them if you didn't like them. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.360 You put yourself out your comfort zone this week as well, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.280 haven't you. Yeah. I actually I learned how to ride 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.160 a motorbike on the weekend, to mom's absolute disgust. So 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.440 if anyone knows our mother, there's nothing more. I'm not 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.000 sure what she hates more tattoos or motorbikes and people 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.400 are not brushing their teeth. Yeah, it's a hard one. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.839 But so my boyfriend Dale, he's been riding motorbikes since 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.160 he was twelve, and he was that like a humble brag. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.040 My boyfriend's been riding motorbikes since he was twelve. I 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.280 don't know. Well anyway, I'm just giving the facts here. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.280 And he was really wanting to teach me how to ride. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.320 And I didn't say anything to mom because I didn't 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.359 want her to worry anyway. Wow, it's body complicated, but 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.039 I managed to ride the motorbike by myself, and I 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.000 was so proud and can I just interrupted here in 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.680 the car. Amy gave me this full run through of 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.520 how to ride the motorbike and I was actually like, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.080 I didn't want to be rude, but I was kind 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.480 of shocked at the level of detail. I don't want so. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.440 I was trying to explain how difficult it actually is, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.280 how I had a new fun respect for people who 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.000 ride motorbikes, but it was it was funny. I told 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.400 Dale to film me riding the motorbike to send it 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.120 to you guys, because I thought you wouldn't believe me, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.320 And then I watched it back. I couldn't believe how 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.800 small the motorbike looked, at how slow I was going, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.880 and how shit you looked. I feel like this whole 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.479 segment's been a big plug to follow our Instagram accounts 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.520 because me uploaded this. I had a bit of a chuckle. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.640 You uploaded someone going really really fast. Yeah, well, I'll 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.760 put it on our Insta story. You guys can see 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.800 how stupid I looked ahead of every sort of neck brace, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.160 arm pads, everything on. Just in case I felt, did 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.800 you have a mouthguard? No, I did it, but yeah, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.520 I nearly shot myself when I got in the back 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.320 of Dale's motorbike. I don't think I've ever like it. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.520 Seems like he was writing like two hundred k's but 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.120 apparently it was quite slow and I just didn't shit yourself. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.640 We can't put that mouthguard coming into context. When we 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.839 were growing up. Our mum's a dental therapist and she 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.400 made us wear mouthguards whilst playing netball, a non contact sport. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.440 Haven't lived that one down, WHI should probably move on 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.640 to the first topic. This week, Meghan Mikel and Prince 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.680 Harry have rewritten the fairy tale turning their backs on 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.880 the monarchy. Megs. It has dominated our feeds after Prince 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.680 Harry and Meghan Markel announced on Instagram they'll be stepping 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.440 back from their jobs as senior royals and splitting their 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.440 time between the UK and North America. The news has 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.200 not only shocked the public, but the royal family will 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.880 Peter to have been blindsided by the announcement, Amy, can 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.400 you tell us about how it to all unfolded? Well, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.640 the bit I love most I think about this story 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.480 is the fact that they made the announcement on Instagram, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.719 as you said, and I think it shows just exactly 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.000 what progressive royals are. They knew that that's where the 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.200 eyeballs were, and the Instagram post was also used to 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.680 promote their new Royal Sussex website and that's where they're 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.039 going to be posting all their news. And they did 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.719 have a pretty interesting media policy, which Kate knows a 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.560 little bit more about. Are you able to fill us 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.440 in a bit more, Kate, Well, I suppose that's where 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.440 the Instagram post has holds its most relevance because basically 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.560 a part of the Royal media policy is they have 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.120 to adhere to this Royal Rota which was established forty 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:45.760 years ago and basically there's seven chosen media publications that 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.480 are allowed exclusive access to their engagements and special events. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.120 So you'd be pretty shocked to find out that out 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.200 of these seven publications, the Sun and the Daily Mail 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.200 are included. Well, the Daily Mail is such a fine 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.719 media outlet, is a lot of people will also know 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.760 that the Royals are currently suing the Sun for and 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.800 when you say Royal, was Harry and Meghan suing the Sun, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.640 which I suppose, it makes what they had to say 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.040 in their statement a bit more interesting in terms of 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.640 their new look at the media. So what are they 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.320 actually doing now? Well, so, as you said, Harry is 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.440 suing the Sun for phone hacking, His voicemails, and Meghan 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.600 is also suing the male for the publication of private 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.800 letters to her father. So basically, what I found interesting 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.400 about this media policy is instead of going through this 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.480 Royal Rota, they are now opening it up to fresh new, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.720 non established journalists that have you know, have a diverse speech. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.560 I'm just putting it out there now. If they'd like 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.640 to appear on Outspoken, well yeah, that we definitely take her. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.560 So basically, anyway, what was interesting about this Royal Rota 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.640 is that the Royals actually can't upload anything to social 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.440 media normally. So I mean I always thought, oh, where's 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.760 Kate Middleton's Instagram? Where's Williams? But it's not because they 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.440 don't want to have it. It's actually because in order 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.320 to upload any fresh photo of themselves it's never been 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.840 seen before, the royal family have to pass it through 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.960 this Royal Rota, who then have access to publish it 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.600 wherever they want. Well, we're living in a time when 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.200 obviously Meghan Markel as a thirty six year old and 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.520 eight well when she met Harry she was thirty six. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.720 As a thirty six year old, she was coming into 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.360 the royal family. Obviously with her acting background, but also 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.440 one point four million followers on Instagram, and even though 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.840 she deactivated that account, it gave media time to get 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.440 a hold of those pictures. So for Megan, it would 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.760 be very strange going into this world where suddenly you 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.160 can't even be sharing about your personal life. So taking 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.200 back that control must feel quite good for her. Well. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.040 I think that's why it was so powerful that they 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.439 made the announcement on Instagram, the place that they're actually 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.160 not allowed to post. Do you guys think that now 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.320 this is all happened, her Instagram might come back? Definitely 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.760 for sure. They actually have said that now, you know, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.280 turning against the royal rota, that we are expected to 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.520 see a lot more photos about their lives and they're 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.240 going to be sharing directly with us, which I think 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.040 it's amazing, Like what a cool thing that now we 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.559 can actually see firsthand from the royals rather than going 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.960 through the fucking sun to see a picture of Archie. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.040 And it's safe to say that Buckingham Palace, we're not 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.240 really aware that this Instagram post was going to go out, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.240 or so they would lead us to believe. Can you 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.960 imagine the Queen's face seeing that? I mean one. I 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.280 don't know if she actually has Instagram, so someone probably 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:23.880 had to tell her. But can you do you think 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.800 they have fake profiles? Well, Harry and Megan, not the Queen, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.480 but like other royals, I was sure they'd be private, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.080 and they have like five follows. Why why is Beatrice 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.000 lad half one? She's She's one of the only royals 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.080 with her own instrucause I think it's only the senior 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.960 royals that have to adhere. Maybe. Yeah, So the Buckingham 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.480 Palace put out this pretty controversial statement. It was one line. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.640 It said, we understand their desire to take a different approach, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.120 but these are complicated issues that will take time to 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.960 work through. So basically the rest of the royals are 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.800 pissed off about From what I heard, Prince William was 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.400 enraged because he can't. I mean, he could do what 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.240 Prince Harry has done, but there'd be so much more 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.640 backlash where it kind of seemed like Harry, which is 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.160 I think why everyone loves him, kind of sets his 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.720 own tone. And we've got to remember Harry is sixth 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.080 in line to the throne. I mean, and we've also remember, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.760 as you said, Prince William could do this, but as 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.839 we've seen in the past. Does everyone remember what happened 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.920 with King Edward and Wallace Simpson. This is history repeating itself. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.199 That was pretty embarrassing. There was a Sunrise Live cross 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.040 to some sort of royal expert in Australia and she 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.520 was like, this is the first time we're ever seeing 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.480 anything like this happen. Yeah, I saw that Sunrise cross. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.000 I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh my gosh. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.880 I went to look at the comments to see if 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.280 anybody else had noticed. So, for those who don't know, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.440 years ago, Prince Edward ended up falling in love with 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.240 an American actress who was also a divorce a like 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.280 Megan Mircale, and he ended up having to abdicate the 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.280 throne in order to marry her. So that's when Queen 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.240 Elizabeth's dad actually became the king. So if he'd never 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.440 abdicated and fell in love with this American actress, we 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.839 would never have the queen is there we have now? 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.800 We never have Prince Harry. We never had this issue 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 that we're having. How ironic is it, though, that it's 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.679 another American actress divorce as it's very scandious. She never 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.959 heard the word diverse divorce are used so often. We 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.720 should probably talk about what motivated their decision because it 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.319 does run parallel to their media policy on their website. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.000 So it appears they were motivated because of the disgusting 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.679 treatment that they received from the UK press. You might 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.760 remember a couple of months ago we did a podcast 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.520 where we dissected Harry's statement regarding his wife's treatment from 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.800 the British media. In the letter, Harry drew parallel to 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.440 the press's treatment of Meghan, Michael and his mother, Princess Diana, who, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.880 of course everyone will know, tragically died in a car 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.240 accident when she was trying to escape from the paparazzi. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.640 So he claimed that Meghan was being targeted by the 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.080 British press. He said he would be taking legal action 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.240 against the publication for running a smear campaign against his wife. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.760 Now I find this found this quite interesting. I didn't 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.520 realize all of the ridiculous claims the British press have 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.520 made about Meghan, So were you guys aware of this? 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.120 So during a charity book tour for the victims of 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.960 Grenfell Tower, the Telegraph somehow linked the Duchess to supporting terrorism. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.280 Later The Daily Mail reported that Meghan's consumption of avocado 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.640 was fueling human rights abuse, draup and murder, and then 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.200 The Express published an article with the headline claiming that 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.880 Harry was miserable because she was such a difficult person 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:27.160 to deal with. That's so disgusting. I also have been 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.200 seeing a few screenshots of different articles pop up, and 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.920 the different media coverage surrounding Kate Middleton and Meghan Markel 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.520 has been astounding. Kate has been painted in an angelic way. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.440 For instance, there was an article which showed how the 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.080 press was saying how gorgeous it was that Kate Middleton 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.600 was holding a baby bump, and then the next article 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.760 by the same publication was slamming Meghan Markle as being, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.839 you know, so needy and attention seeking by holding her 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.320 baby bump. It's quite concerning the difference, and it makes 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.880 you think, what is the reason. Why Is it because 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.760 you need to have Kate Middleton be this angelic figure 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.000 because she will one day been you know? Is it 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.560 because Meghan Markle is wack? Do you not think that 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.880 it might be encouraged by the fact that the Royal 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.679 Rot which is publishing a lot of these things that 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.560 it's been pushed by the Royal family. There was a 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.200 really interesting opinion piece on news dot com and it 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.720 was talking about why Kate Middleton is really the biggest 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.000 loser out of the royal split, and people may not 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.880 know that the announcement actually came on her thirty eighth birthday, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.040 which was very much overshadowed by this announcement, and on 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.120 her birthday she was photographed driving into Kensington Palace wearing 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.520 a very unregal puffer jacket and she just looked really 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.280 upset and pissed off in the photo. Many people are 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.360 reflecting on the fact that it might mean a lot 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.000 of extra work for Kate Middleton. But what this opinion 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.880 piece was saying that the most the worst that's to 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.720 come from it is the women are already being pitted 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.079 against each other, you know, but until now they were 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.679 very much on equal footing. Both are in their thirties, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.560 both of moms, both are obviously gorgeous looking. Now the 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.800 fact that Megan has stepped out on her it's going 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.880 to make things even more difficult because she you think 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.560 about it, Meghan has now has the freedoms to be 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.640 able to speak at any sort of international conference that 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.640 she wants to. She can actually talk about politics, she 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.160 can wear whatever she likes without being I don't know 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.320 if that's a bad thing for Kate Middleton on equal 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.400 footings And if anything, I feel like Kate Middleton, as 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.920 we said, is going to be the golden child now 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.000 and every negative article is going to be about Meghan. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.880 But if you think about it, Meghan Michael is going 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.280 to be able to speak at World Economic forums at 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.880 the un She's going to actually have put her mark 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.880 on the world while also being but everyone's going to 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:37.800 be tearing her down. Plus, I don't think they were 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.280 on equal footings. Meghani Mirkal was thirty six when she 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.320 joined the royal family. She had a full life, she 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.840 was a you know, an actress, she had it, lived 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.000 a completely different background. I mean Kate Middleton was put 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.600 into the same university as William Just to me, well, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.520 they say they're on equal footings, is in because at 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.880 that point in time they both were living very similar 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.080 lives once they got into the royal family. Kate and 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.840 I were actually having quite an interesting conversation today when 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.680 we were preparing for this podcast, and we were discussing 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.720 the fact that it seems like Kate Middleton has had 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.040 a lot more time to get I suppose this royal 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.600 thing right, and the fact that she's married Prince William, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.960 I suppose expectations have been completely different on her because 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.640 she is in line to be the queen, her kids 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.440 are going to be the You know, does she become 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.960 the queen or a princess? Because I'm not sure actually 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.520 will I believe she does become the queen? In going 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.200 back back? Can't just finished my point. The thing is, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.880 as you said, Meghan Markle has lived thirty six years 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.440 as what he described as a commoner. She's been famous, 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.760 she's had Instagram accounts, She's done everything. So it seems 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.800 like her life so far hasn't been building up to 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.960 be a royal. What I find particularly interesting about this 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.160 whole thing, which I we've touched on before, is the 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.880 fact that they went through Instagram and didn't tell the Queen. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.400 So I think a lot of people, a lot of 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.360 the opinion piece out there saying that they're pissed off 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.600 that they think that they disrespected the Queen and Prince 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.320 William and Prince Charles for not telling them first. But 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.720 I actually don't think that they had the opportunity to 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.880 do that. I think that these news organizations are part 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.480 of this royal rota, are so in with some of 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.160 the family that they dictate what is going to be said. So, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.880 you know, we've had the Prince Andrew scandal, and a 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.200 lot of the time there's been a lot of conversations 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.920 around the fact that Meghan mark was being used as distraction. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.360 You know, there was rumors around Prince William and cheating 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.680 on Kate. Obviously, this Prince Andrew thing again. And it 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.040 seems like the common thing coming out of all the 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.960 publications to do with this royal rota is the fact 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.880 that Meghan's a bitch? Is anyone else just sick of 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.680 the way this narrative always plays out. I mean, people 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.440 are comparing Meghan Markel to Yoko Ono except even worse. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.280 And what I find perplexing is the fact why is 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.720 it always the woman? Why is that Meghan market? Obviously 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.240 Prince Harry has had some say in this. He's always 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.360 been the royal that's been a bit rogue. He always 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.440 does his own thing. Why does everybody care so much? 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.760 Why can't they go and live their lives? I honestly 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.120 think it's because the British people think that they own 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.000 the Royals. There's all this backlash, Oh we paink for 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:16.120 the renovation near Kernage's shut up, you don't fucking own them. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:17.720 Why do we not think that Harry wants to leave 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.800 on his own accord. He has gone through a dreadful 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.600 childhood of having his mother hounded by the press and 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.359 then practically killed because of their constant harassment. But the 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.600 thing is they're not saying they they're not going to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.840 be a part of anything to do with the Royal Family. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.960 Their statement, I thought was quite respectful. They're just saying 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.359 they don't want to be paid anymore by the Royal Family. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.280 And obviously if you're getting a wage or whatever it 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.400 is from the Royal family, they own you and they 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.040 tell you what you need to do. They're saying, we 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.920 want to stand at our own feet, we want to 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.959 do our own thing, we want to talk to whatever 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.520 media we want to talk to and push our own agendas. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.800 And it's quite interesting because it seems like there's a 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.080 lot that they know about the Royal Family that they 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.280 may potentially or be rumored to be threatening if they 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.840 if the Royal found they're going to make this exit messy. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.200 What seems to be at the brunt of this backclash 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:06.919 is the fact that people think Harry and Meghan are 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.639 having their cake and eating it too. People are pissed 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.719 off that they think their money is going towards the 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.280 funding of their extravagant lifestyle, but in actual fact, it's 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.560 only five percent of the Sovereign grant, which is the 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.080 taxpayers money that goes towards the Royal family that is 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.080 actually funding them. So to dumb this down, they're only 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.760 getting five percent of taxpayers money. But what is quite interesting, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.560 which you were telling me about before, is that the 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.000 rest of their ninety five percent paycheck is made up 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.520 by money from Prince Charles, which is also causing a 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.760 bit of controversy. Yeah, so ninety five percent of the 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.200 income is coming from Prince Charles who owns the Duchy 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:46.440 of Cornwell, which is a portfolio of agricultural investments, and 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.520 that is where the money for Prince Harry and then 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.719 also Prince William comes from. But I'm guessing a lot 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.800 of people are saying, well, that's bullshit, because he's making 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.360 all of this money off being a Royal family member. Anyway. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.919 But isn't that just irrelevant because there's so many people 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.119 out there that get money from their parents. It's not 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.480