1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,720 Speaker 1: Hello guys. 2 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 2: Just before we get into what I think is the 3 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: best interview we've ever done, just a very brief content warning. 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: This could be triggering for you guys. And whilst his 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: story is beautiful and amazing because of the perspective he's got, 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: really has been through some very tricky stuff, so it's 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: worth mentioning this is triggering for you. Lifel one number 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: is thirteen eleven fourteen. We can call one hundred respect. 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: I'm sitting behind the Vista Theater. Oh that's my RV 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 3: I'm living. And I met Sean Penn there and he 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: took us tooth out for me. I know. I walked 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: up to Sean Penn, Hey, we're doing a thing from 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: Michael Madsen at the Vista Theater that is owned by 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino. I started talking to him. He knows who 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: I am from Adrian Brody playing me on stage in London. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: I said, look, I really apologize, Sean. I'm kind of 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: like spitting because I got this demo work going on. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: He goes, no, shit, look what happened this morning? And 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: he took us tooth out and he showed me his 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: tooth and I was like, this is crazy. So it's 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: a mad life that I'm having right now. Gentlemen, Oh, totally. 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 4: Well, you know, Will and I have tried to stay 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: away from your story. So we like the audience that 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: are listening to right now, we'll be learning this as the. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Audience learns it. 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: So ah, this is good. The first question maybes you ready? 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, mate, we are ready. You you shouldn't be alive, Nick, 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 4: tell us. 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: Why other than being shot, stabbed, strangled, run over by 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: a car, hanging myself in a prison cell, and all 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: kind of mayhem. I was sentenced to death at the 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: age of twenty one for the rape and murder of 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 3: a woman I never met. My life. I spent twenty 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: three years on death Row in solitary confinement, and I 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: escaped from death row at one point nineteen eighty five. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: I was on the FBI's most wanted list for twenty 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: five days until I turned myself back in and they 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: put me on death row. Next it's Ted Bundy for 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: the next eight months. So me and Ted became acquainted 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: when he spit on me when I played with him 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: and taunted him. So and then I went back to 42 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: death row. I got beaten, severely contracted hepatitis CE. I 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: was dying of the illness when I asked to be executed, 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: and in the twenty fifth hour they gave me the DNA. 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: Finally that proved my innocence. 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: Oh oh, my god, God wow. 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: I don't think I've experienced forty seconds like that in 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: my life. 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Just hearing all of that, it's truth, Old mighty nick. 50 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 3: I took it easy on it. 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: If we can go back to step one here, so 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: you are wrongly You are wrongly accused of ripe and 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: murder of someone you have never met before. 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: Through the folly of the following incidents. So at the 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: age of twenty, I was driving the stolen car. I 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: was a tear away. I wasn't listening to my folks. 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: I was high on drugs. I got pulled over by 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: a policeman who beat the hell out of me. He 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: pulled his gun out. We had a fight, and then 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: he lied on me and said that I tried to 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: murder him in all this crazy stuff. So I get 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: thrown into prison, and the guy that was guilty of 63 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: burglar rising the prosecutor's home said that I confessed to 64 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: him of the rape and murder of a woman in 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: the area right so he could get out of his charges. 66 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: So I went to trial for the first chargers and 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: the jury found me not guilty for that policeman lying 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: on me. So then they started seeking the death penalty 69 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 3: out of vengeance, and he gave me a three day 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: murder trial. So they sentenced me to die after the 71 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: jury went out for dinner break and they came back 72 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: and gave me the death penany so I was only 73 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: twenty one years old, and the crazy thing was will 74 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: the courthouse was struck by light and the day I 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: was sentenced to death and locked all the power up whoa, 76 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: And I swear to God, it's in the newspapers and 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: everything I was taking upstairs, and I was looking at 78 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: all the people in the courtyard below, and there was 79 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: no sound because no air conditioning or anything, and they 80 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: were all looking up at me, and they all started 81 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: making noises and stuff. But I heard this thing in 82 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: my head said look them in they So when I 83 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: went back in the court, and it's in the newspapers, 84 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: the judge couldn't look me in the eye. No one 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: could look me in the eye, and he sentenced me 86 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: to death without ever looking me in the face. 87 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: Oh that's horrible. 88 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: Man. If you think that's it's so deep that every 89 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: member of the jury that's sentenced me to death is 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: now dead. 91 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa. 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: Wow. You can't make it up. You can't. You can't 93 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: make any of this up. 94 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: So, Nick, you had twenty two years in prison. What 95 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: was that like? 96 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: In solitary confinement? Insolitate? A bit of it was inlid. Yeah, man, 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: twenty three hours a day, twenty four hours a day, 98 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: all locked down. 99 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? What is I mean? 100 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: I've got so many questions around. It's the first thing 101 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: that comes to me. Can you think of that time? 102 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: I found out two things about myself. One, you can't 103 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 3: go against your nature. If you're a loving person, nothing 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: will change that. If you're a kind person, you'll be 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: a kind person no matter what. So I read over 106 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: nine four hundred books before I turned the journal over documentary. 107 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: Each book that I read to my lawyers, and then 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: I got other prisoners off of death row by doing 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: their legal work, and I helped men that were mentally 110 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 3: ill hang on as best as they could. In total, 111 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: I got three men off of death row and four 112 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: men out of the gallows themselves by my efforts. I 113 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: was the foremost knowledgeable person in DNA. I was pent 114 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: pals with Sir Alec Jeffries from Leicester University, who invented 115 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: DNA testing for twelve years. That man guided me through 116 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: the process of learning DNA. Oh my, go on, I 117 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: read all of the world's religions. I can't tell you 118 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: the name, but I think you guys will be clever enough. 119 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: If I made an avatar of myself, maybe that person 120 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: would be now accepting the role to play me in 121 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: a major motion picture coming soon. 122 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: Whoa jo, whoa. 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: If I were an avatar, I think I've put two 124 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 4: and two together at that. Okay, sorry, but I can 125 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: actually say the likeness looking at your face as well, 126 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: which that is. 127 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: That is awesome and sorry, right, and. 128 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: I can't say anything, but I just found out and 129 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: it's amazing that I'm on the cusp of going from 130 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: an RV that was given to me on the Native 131 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: American preservation to go on and having housing and finally 132 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: getting from the devastation that I know I've been homeless 133 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: the last four years. 134 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 2: I'm just actually speaking of playing you. So you mentioned 135 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: this before, but Adrian Brody is currently starring as you 136 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: in this play called The Fear of It, and he's going. 137 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: To do it again and yeah, in next spring he's 138 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: going to be bringing it to New York City. 139 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: Now Radrian is doing it because apparently someone sent him 140 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: the script and he said, I couldn't get through this 141 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: script without crying. 142 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: So for a crime. Yeah, I know. I hung out 143 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: with him in London. The grain's supposed to say this, 144 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: but he took no money for playing me for months 145 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: in London, and he gave me that money. Oh wow, Wow, 146 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: this is a general, This is a genteel man. Do 147 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: you understand. Yeah, you know you don't get paid a 148 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: lot in the theater anyway. But he said, Nick, I 149 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: can't take money from your hands, and I love you man. Wow. 150 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: I went up on stage and I read a fictitional 151 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: love letter to the woman that I was married to 152 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: in prison. I queued up the song hold on to 153 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: Your Heart by Man Man, and I walked off of 154 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: stage with a beautiful woman telling the audience that I 155 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: wanted to fulfill being the hero of my own story 156 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: like in the many thousands of books that I read. 157 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to have that panache, that ability to walk 158 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: out in that moment I didn't want to sell books 159 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: and hang out afterwards and beat everybody. I went off 160 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: to the Londoner in downtown London and had made love 161 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: to the woman I was in love with. 162 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Man, Oh beautiful me. 163 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, you in your twenty two years on in 164 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: Soldier can find on death Row you said you read 165 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: nine four hundred books. 166 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: Is that right? That's correct? 167 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: What was the best one? 168 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: The best one like a prophet by Yeah, that's because 169 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: he lost his whole family while writing it. That's a 170 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: great immigrant, that's his whole His whole family perished some 171 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: tuberculosis while I read it. 172 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 173 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: That's Alexander Dumas. 174 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: Because that's you, that's you, that would have given you 175 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: so much. There's a new movie about that, actually a 176 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: new French movie about that. 177 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: And that's something so I love. And to Anton du 178 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: Saint Expury, the Little Prince, Oh yeah, yeah, that's sick. 179 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: I've read so many different books. I've read everything from 180 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: peercregard to seven six years of psychology studies. I worked 181 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: my ass off. I figured that they're going to waste 182 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: my time. I'm not you know what I mean. 183 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such amazing attitude. When you're on death row 184 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: for for so many years, Nick, are you living day 185 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 4: to day not knowing that you know it could be 186 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: your last day? 187 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: Or do you have an idea? 188 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: No, man, no, Look I had a hustle going. I 189 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: was selling legal work, I was selling schoolworks. I was 190 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: a doughnut magnet. I was a football a gambling. I 191 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: grew up in death throw. I ran the place, man. 192 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: I did twelve years in a union that the average 193 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: rate of survival was only five. Man, they made me 194 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: cage fight for money. Look at this body. I'm sixty 195 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: four years old. You are. 196 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: You're an extraordinary. 197 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: It's call gundlinga yoga, and I'm a master of martial 198 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: arts that take street. One of the most deadly people 199 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: on the street. I ain't dragging. I would never hurt anybody, 200 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: but I had over fifty cage fights. 201 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: Whoa in prison? In prison? 202 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were making me fight because I'm six to 203 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: two and I weighed over two hundred pounds. I was 204 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: able to make the money. A lot of the white 205 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: kids that were on death row couldn't fight. 206 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Oh my, this is he got white for this movie. 207 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, I'm reading here that you you didn't talk 208 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: for two years? 209 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: What's that about. I wasn't allowed to speak in myself 210 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: for the first two years. If they caught you speaking, 211 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 3: they came into your cell. They put a football helmet 212 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: on the nurse and a flak jacket, and four men 213 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: ran into your cell wearing riot here. They beat you down, 214 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: and then she ran in and stabbed in the ass 215 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: for the needle, and you lost a week of your life. 216 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: And then if you talk again after that, they put 217 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: you in the glass bubble, which was a glass bricked 218 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: cell where they kept the lights on twenty four hours 219 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: a day and made you stand up every sixteen minutes, 220 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: where a head count until you went out of your mind? 221 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, did you? 222 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: And so did you? And you did you spend time 223 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: in the glass bubble? 224 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: Oh? Nick? 225 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: Oh my, that's a full on man. 226 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: I just I lasked it as long as I could. 227 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: They call with the white out, you can't keep going 228 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: to keep waking you up, and then they beat you 229 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: and they wake so the three days that was a 230 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: long record at one point me. 231 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm sorry. Sorry. 232 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: Just knowing that you were innocent as well, I just 233 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: can't even imagine how. 234 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: It made me so powerful because I didn't belong there. 235 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: But I paid for everything I did as a kid, 236 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: you know, all the times I let my mom and 237 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: dad down. I paid for all that, every line, every 238 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: broken window. I made good, you know, and then I 239 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: got a break. You know, No, don't because I love 240 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: it that I'm still allowed to have a human part. 241 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: That leslie crying. When you stop crying, there's nothing left. Man. Yeah, 242 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm worry about me. I'm fine. 243 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: It's so unfair. 244 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: I've been through somebody there, I know. But look, I'm 245 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: the same guy. I had my six month old baby 246 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: died in my arms in twenty sixteen. I came back 247 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: from that. That was horrible, to have a sid's death 248 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: where you put the baby down for a nap and 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: then she dies. You know, So I can do so 250 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: much more than death. Robe that sucks. 251 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 252 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: No, it doesn't Listen. Life is suffering, and you don't 253 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: believe that life makes you beautiful, then you're missing the point. 254 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: I've been through so many things that most people being 255 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: crazy in the head over and yet I go around 256 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: the world teaching about neural that let pasticity healing, and 257 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: I get people to stop doing drugs, don't hurt themselves 258 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: come back to being loving. I want to know why, 259 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: because we're all looking for someone stronger than us to say, hey, 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: it's okay. Yeah. Show me a man that's been broken 261 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: a thousand times and I can fail you. Nick Garris 262 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: has been rebuilt a thousand and one time. 263 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: This is just so powerful for people to hear. 264 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: Nick. 265 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: Everyone needs to hear you talk. Everyone needs to hear. 266 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: Getting this film done so I can go back to speaking. 267 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: I have had the honor. This is crazy. I work 268 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 3: so hard on my education. Within ten months of my release, 269 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: I was on the stage in the Colosseum of Rome 270 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 3: addressing twenty thousand people. What a remarkable feat. You know 271 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: what I mean? There I was. I've spoken before the 272 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: United Nations in Geneva, major universities around the world, and 273 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: I have a platform based on neuroplasticity healing where I 274 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: am proof positive that I can help embrace any PTSD 275 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: because I should be mentally destroyed and yet I thrive. 276 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: I've just written a brand new television series based on 277 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: my experiences called Kings of the Gallows, and we're having 278 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: a script produced about it now with a production team. 279 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: I've used every experience of my life for a betterment, 280 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: not a detriment. Do you understand? 281 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 282 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I love that. Oh this is just what 283 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: a wonderful treat. I got to shout out to my 284 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 3: friend Yvonne. Yeah, Elon he did you know he's a 285 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: rugby player. He did a show with the two of 286 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: you a while back. 287 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh, Elneyney, Yeah, yeah, what was coming on? 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: He's listening right now, Honey. 289 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: We used to call ourselves the Triangle because we did 290 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: we love money. 291 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. What a wonderful young dude. Man. I love this guy. 292 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: I love his family. I like what he represents. He's 293 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: got so much character. I'm glad I've reached out to 294 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: him about four years ago. 295 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: Man, he's awesome. Man, Yeah, he's beautiful. 296 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: And I got Mikey Perry, So Mikey Perry is helping 297 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: me make a documentary about my friend with cancer. I 298 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: got a remarkable story for you guys. I met a guy. 299 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: I got a guy who was dealing with cancer in 300 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: which everybody else I had it wiped the mountain. And 301 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: he's been living with it for eleven years and they 302 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: keep telling him every six months he's gonna die. And 303 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: he's so cool. He's like, doc, I'm going off. I'll 304 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: be back in six months. Don't do any guy diving 305 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: because I don't want you to die before I come back. 306 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? A remarkable character and his 307 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: name is Alex and me and Mikey Perry, who lives 308 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: down in Australia, are making a documentary about his life 309 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: called why don't You Just kill yourself? Because people have 310 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: had the cheat to ask my friend now if that 311 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: meant Michaey Perry because of a bag of jelly beans 312 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: in England and he flew back. This is crazy. He 313 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: flies back to England, I mean back to Australia. He 314 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: comes to Los Angeles for work, he flies up to Washington. 315 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: He films all of the work with Alex. He's never 316 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: it's crazy. Never in a million years can you believe 317 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: that because I had a bag of jelly beans, I've 318 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: made it. Dude living in Australia, who would fly back home, 319 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: come to Washington State make a documentary with me about 320 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: my friend who are going to finish it by taking 321 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: it to Scotland this year. This is crazy. To Chriss 322 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: my life and it's normal. 323 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: But it's just I can feel and everything everything in 324 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: your life. It's like you're making the most of every 325 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: single moment for men, you know, because. 326 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: It's like all these opportunities are in front of all 327 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: of us, but only you type. 328 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: Sean Penn. Sean Penn was married to Madonna when he 329 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: made the movie with Christopher Walking called at close Range 330 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: about the Johnston brother. I helped Norman Johnson escape from 331 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: Huntington State Prison, my prison where I was on death row, 332 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: like Sean, you know, I helped Norman escape because I 333 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: heard you just where you go. 334 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Nick. 335 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much we could ask you. 336 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: I kind of just want to keep like these hell marries. 337 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: And me back on. 338 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: I don't care I do this. He keeps down. 339 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: What's the wadest thing that you've seen in your in 340 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: your time? What's the wadest thing you think? 341 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: What's screwdriver sticking out of the kids head? 342 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Oh? 343 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: Did not see that coming? 344 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: Wow. My first week of prison, I was walking through 345 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: the block and I saw the curtain move in this 346 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: cell and they say, don't go near in their cells, 347 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: don't look at them. But I couldn't help it, you know, 348 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: and I pushed the curtain back and I walked in there. 349 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: There was a kid sitting there. He couldn't have been 350 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: more he eighteen, and he's looked at me, he said, 351 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: he said, am I gonna be okay? And I said 352 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get help and he's slumped over. 353 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh. 354 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: Man, I felt bad. I felt so horrible because I 355 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: lied to him, didn't I? But did I do him 356 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 3: right or not? But that really, yeah, I've had I've 357 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: watched so many people dye in prison. It's crazy. My 358 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: throat slit. 359 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: What's the most beautiful thing. 360 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 3: Man, I I've seen myself. I hate to say this, 361 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: but I seen myself find love. M I saw with 362 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: myself an ability to love myself when they told me 363 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: I was worthless and that they were going to murder me. 364 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: And that was the most beautiful thing I could ever see, 365 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 3: because it's something that has never left me. M. That's 366 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: so good, Nick, I'm so happy for you. 367 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: What's happy? 368 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 4: What's the first thing you did when you when you 369 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: walked out of prison, Nick, So you've had twenty three years, 370 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 4: you're in sultry confine. 371 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: What's what's the first thing you did. What's the first 372 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: place you went? 373 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: Well, they botched my release. They told me goodbye, shook 374 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: my hand, got me to the last barrier and said, oops, 375 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: up on the paper work. We're gonna take you back. No. 376 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: So five and a half hours later, when they finally 377 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: released me, yeah, I walked out and it was crazy. 378 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: My parents were there. My ex wife had left me 379 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 3: while I was on death row to die my spiritual 380 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: advisor and we all went to the Crocker brow but 381 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: I couldn't eat. My father said, come on, let's go outside. See. 382 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: We just calmed down because it was an emotional day. 383 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: They boxed my release for me. Yeah. So my father 384 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: was sitting there and he said, you know, money has changed. 385 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean. He goes, Money's got 386 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: like like secret things in it. And he gave me 387 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: a twenty dollars bill and to look at. And I 388 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: looked at the security thing in the note. Then I 389 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: folded it up. I put it in my pocket and 390 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: I laughed at him. He goes, hey, hey, what are 391 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: you doing? I say, hey, see, your little boy, you 392 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: got to take care of me, right And then he 393 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 3: said he said, look, I'm dying to ask you this. 394 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: He goes, but what's the one thing you can look 395 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: around right now? And everything like, it's the one thing 396 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: that's changed. And I looked around the parking lot and 397 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: I said, Poppy, it's hubcaps. There had no more hub caps. 398 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: Everything's all he said, Son of a bitch. I didn't 399 00:19:54,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: even pay attention, I go. I was so new. I 400 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 3: was so new to the world that when I got out, 401 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: I had to use the newspaper to go to the 402 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: DMV to get a driver's license or an ID card. 403 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 404 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: So in a computer, no I did. I was technologically 405 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: said no, because I was in the law library, and 406 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 3: I was able to work right away on a computer 407 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: because I was technologically advanced. I worked so hard for 408 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: my freedom. Look, the greatest challenge of my life wasn't 409 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: death row. It was freedom after death brow. Get it? 410 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really. 411 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: Eighty All right, here's a perspective. Eighty percent of men 412 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: who served more than twenty years in solitary confinement try 413 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 3: to kill themselves within the first five years. Eighty percent 414 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: try to kill themselves. Yeah, what's called survivor's bill. 415 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: What's what's Survivi's guild? 416 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: Okay, So what's what's the I mean, what's the what's 417 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 4: the number one thing of freedom, which is which is 418 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: so difficult to be dealing with. 419 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: Nick, I mean, excuse me. 420 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Women, Yeah, yep, just in general. 421 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: They don't play fair. They're worse than death row prisoners. 422 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: But man, they're great at making you feel like you're 423 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: like the ship's about and I bought yeah because I'm 424 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: I'm I'm like hyper sexual, and I'm like a romanticist, 425 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: and I'm all the dangerous things that you can be 426 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: for man, which makes women go crazy because I'm eloquent, 427 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: I'm charming, i can dress nice, sick, and i can 428 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: hit all the buttons right. But I've just got a 429 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: misfortune of having catastrophe after catastrophe in the past. You 430 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: know that it's got Wow. I've had women break into 431 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 3: my house and stay here all weekend because it was 432 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 3: so good. 433 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Are you currently in a relationship? 434 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: Guy? 435 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: Are you in a relationship now? 436 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 3: Nick? Yeah, I got someone in my life and I'm 437 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 3: truly madly in love with beautiful. It's like fifteen hours 438 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: at a time when we're at it. So wow, I 439 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: got some kind of crazy thing. I know. Listen, I 440 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: s would have got it. I look like I'm forty 441 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: years old because I went into stations like I could forever. 442 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: I'm I don't need a blue pill. I don't know 443 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: what happened, but I think severe denial and deprivation made 444 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: me hypersexual and I can just prop it. That's it. 445 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah night, Wow, it's gonna be a weird question, Nick, 446 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: but it feels like there are so many I'm thinking 447 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: about the little boy you were telling me that got 448 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: pulled over when he was pulling drugs, when he was 449 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: high on drugs at the side of his story that then, 450 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: you know, got falsely convicted, et cetera. And now I'm 451 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 2: looking at you now there's a gulf between and who 452 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: you were then and who you are now. Do you 453 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: think that you would be as beautifully positive and transparent 454 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: and articulate and full of love as you are now? 455 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: Because if you hadn't. 456 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: I was a complete I was a complete record for 457 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: all my life. I became a drug addict. That's how 458 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: I ended up in trouble. But that's okay because to 459 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: your point, and this is wonderful, I recognize because both 460 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: my brothers, all my childhood friends are all dead. I 461 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: only survived the age epidemic and the crack epidemic and 462 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 3: the violence that took out all twenty seven of my 463 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 3: friends and God, God put me not only in jail, 464 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: but he put me on death row so I couldn't 465 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: be in population and get murdered. 466 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: Wow. 467 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: So again a step further maybe, but are you? Are 468 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: you grateful for your time on death row. 469 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest experiences of my life. I'm 470 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: so happy that I got to become a knowledgeable, autodiactic educated. Man. 471 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 3: I'm more knowledgeable than most people when I walk in 472 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: the room, so I can hold my own whether I'm 473 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: talking to a physics professor or I'm talking to a 474 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: history professor. At some point, I am knowledgeable enough to 475 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: feel comfortable. And that's an achievement, because the greatest achievement 476 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: you can make in life is to get through life 477 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: without being mentally I guess depleted is the word, right, Yeah, 478 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: you suck dry by all our experiences. Now, Man, I 479 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: love the fact that I'm like, I have such an 480 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: impact on people. I have friends that all over the 481 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: world to really relate to me, and they love me 482 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 3: and they care about me. And that's because I keep 483 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: putting out the positivity, you know what I mean? 484 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can feel it. 485 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: Look, I just went through twelve hours of oral surgery. 486 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: See all this, Uh, this is all right. So this 487 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: is how I got Sean Penn to take a two thousand. 488 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: I just went through three fifty thousand dollars worth of 489 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: dental work that was donated to me. When this kid 490 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 3: named Lima saw me on the Joe Rogan podcast talking 491 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: about the guards after my escape, kicked my teeth in 492 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: as a punishment for escaping, and him and his father, 493 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: as a dentist, did all my work. They got ten 494 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: metal rods inserted into my face right now. Man. Wow, 495 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: And I have to go to another procedure next week 496 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: to get the new set, and I'll almost be done 497 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 3: at the end of the year. But look how beautiful 498 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: I look. Good? 499 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: Man, they look good. 500 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 501 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: I look good. 502 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: Now I have to learn to speak again. But that's 503 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. You See, if I was a 504 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: bitter pill, I wouldn't have got no help like that. 505 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 506 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: I've never been to Australia, but I dream of coming 507 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 3: down there. Man. I would really love to experience that. 508 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: Please reach please reach out. If you'd love to hang out, 509 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to. 510 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yo, go and reach out to. 511 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send a lot of your message now man, 512 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: I Nick, it's been a pleasure. I think we're all 513 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: in awe of you. You're You're inspiring, man, you really are. 514 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: So congratulations on Thank you finding yourself in a place 515 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: where a lot of people would lose themselves and turning 516 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: it into something beautiful. That is, that will be a 517 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: legacy for so many people to admire. 518 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: Here goes boys, you've been listening to the Will and 519 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: Wooden Show on iHeartRadio from Australia.