1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily This is 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: the daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of April. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: It's being labeled as Australia's National shame. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Enough isn't us. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: That's the message echoed by thousands of people it rallies 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: around the country following a wave of violence against women. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: Violent men may have to be part of the solution. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: You know someone who has been affected by domestic family 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: violence and genderbates violence and you need to step up 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: and do more. 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: So far this year, twenty seven women have been killed 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: in acts of gender based violence. Now, the country's Domestic 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: Violence Commissioner is convening a crisis meeting of leaders from 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: across the country to discuss what to do next and 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: how to combat the rising rates of men's violence again women. 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: In today's Deep Dive, we're going to discuss the context 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: of this issue, what the government is saying, what we 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: heard from the rallies over the weekend, and what comes 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: next in this conversation. But for Sam, the. 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Headlines, Australia has committed another one hundred million dollars towards 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: Ukraine's war efforts. With the assistance package announced by Defense 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Minister Richard Miles in his visit to Ukraine over the weekend, 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: it takes Australia's total contributions since Russia's invasion of Ukraine 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: to eight hundred and eighty million dollars. As part of 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: his trip, Miles also visited Poland, where he discussed Australia's 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: participation in a multinational program to train Ukrainian armed forces personnel. 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: In the UK, Iraq has criminalized same sex relationships, introducing 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: a maximum of a fifteen year prison sentence if found guilty. 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: According to a copy of the law scene by Reuters, 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: the law is designed to quote protect Iraqi society from 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: moral depravity and was backed by Iraq's large conservative coalition. 35 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: The law also imposes a one to three year prison 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: sentence for anyone who changes their quote biological gender. 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: The UK has predicted a more than fifty percent increase 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: in strokes by twenty thirty five. That's according to the 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: National Stroke Association. It expects the number of strokes will 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: increase from one hundred thousand to over one hundred and 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: fifty thousand, and will set the National Health Service back 42 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: almost one hundred and forty four billion Australian dollars. The 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: chief executive of the Stroke Association said the demand will 44 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: quote be unsustainable by twenty thirty five. 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: And today's good news. A new study has found that 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: conservation projects and investments are slowing the overall decline of biodiversity. 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: Published in the Journal of Science, the study found that 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 2: two thirds of conservation efforts either improved the state of 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: biodiversity or at least slow declines. The study calls for 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: conservation efforts to be scaled. 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Up in order to meet global targets. 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: This deep dive is going to include discussions about domestic 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: and family violence. If you or anyone you know needs help, 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: you can reach out to one eight hundred respect on 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: one eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two. 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: Over the last few weeks, the national conversation has been 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 2: dominated by calls for greater action to protect women and 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: girls from gender based violence. Now. This culminated over the 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: weekend in national rallies that were held across the country, 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: with PM Anthony Albanesi even joining protesters in Canberra yesterday 61 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: and Zara. 62 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: This is obviously a massive issue but before we get 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: to what the response needs to be or what's being 64 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: called for, can you set out in really clear terms 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: for us what exactly the state of play is. 66 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: Yes. So, at least twenty seven women that we know 67 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: of have died in Australia in twenty twenty four in 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: violent attacks. And the reason we know this is because 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: there's a research project called Counting Dead Women and that 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: collates all of these figures in one place on Facebook. 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: Now the twenty seven women so far, so we're in 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: April as we speak. The number of deaths that we 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: have seen so far this year represents a significant increase 74 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: from the same time period last year in twenty twenty three. 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: So the numbers vary again because it can sometimes be 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: pretty difficult with reporting around these crimes. But the ABC 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: last week said eleven more women had died violently in 78 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four compared to the same time period last year. 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Even since that article was published, another woman has been murdered, 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: so that figure is now out of date. Put another way, 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: until recently, an average of one woman was being killed 82 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: a week. Now that average has risen to almost one 83 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: every four days. And as people were marching in the 84 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: streets over the weekend, calling from an end to this 85 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: gender based violence. A Perth man was charged with murder 86 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: after he allegedly assaulted the woman he lived with and 87 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: set fire to their whole. Now, that story that was 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: reported over the weekend came after a particularly horrific week 89 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: that included news that twenty eight year old Molly Ticehurst 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: had been found dead at her home with her former partner, 91 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: who was out on bail and who breached an apprehended 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: violence order was the person charged with her murder. Now, 93 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: we won't go through each of the incidents that have 94 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: happened this year, but if you do want to know more, 95 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: you can look at destroy the Joints Counting Dead Women 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: page and again that's become a resource that lots of 97 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: news outlets have started to rely on to track these deaths. 98 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Sos Ovia said, there is a lot of media attention 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: on the issue of gender based violence at the moment. 100 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean we only had to look at the size 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: of the rallies over the weekend in every capital city, 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: but what is actually been done about it? 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Domestic Family and Sexual Violence Commissioner, her 104 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: name's MICHAELA. Cronin She's called a crisis meeting for next Tuesday, 105 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: and that's in response to the rising rates of gender 106 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: based violence that we are seeing reported now. The meeting 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: is designed to bring together decision makers, academics and key 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: organizations who are all working in this space to try 109 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: to figure out what comes next after this national conversation. 110 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: So we know that Teran Chaula, who we spoke to 111 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: on the pod last week, Amani Hater, and Alison Scott, 112 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: who have all lost women in their families due to 113 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: gender based violence, they'll also attend to the meeting, so 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: there will be people with lived experience there to inform 115 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: that conversation. And the National Roundtable is specifically looking at 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: ways to deliver the federal government's National Plan to End 117 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: Violence against Women and Children. Now, this is the strategy 118 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: that is at the centerpiece of how the government is 119 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: trying to respond to this issue, and I think it's 120 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: important to talk about what that strategy aimes to do 121 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: because it's an extremely lofty ambition. It aims to eradicate 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: gendered violence against women and girls over the next ten years. 123 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: It's abundantly obvious to anyone paying attention that, based on 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: the statistics that I mentioned before, We are not getting 125 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: any closer to that goal, but in fact we are 126 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: going backward if year on year those stats are getting worse, 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: and so the government has a very big job ahead 128 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: of them if they want to get close to this goal. 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: At the rallies over the weekend, the participants issued five 130 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: key demands, and I'll just quickly run through them. So 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: number one the declaration of a national emergency. Number two, 132 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: mandatory victim blaming prevention training for police, media and first responders. 133 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: Number three, alternative reporting options for violence victims. Number four 134 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: the media to wait forty eight hours before identifying violence victims. 135 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: And number five for the government to give better, more 136 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: sustainable funding for organizations with five year minimum commitments. 137 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: And how has the government responded to the spike in 138 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: deaths this year and their plan going forward? 139 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: Well, As I said at the top, Anthony Albernezi actually 140 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: walked with protesters at the rallies held over the weekend, 141 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 2: and before the rally he wrote on x violence against 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: women is not a problem that women should have to solve. 143 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: Governments need to do better, men need to step up 144 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: and as a society we must do better. We know 145 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: there is so much more to do and we will 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: keep working. And we've had basically similar sentiments reflected across 147 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: the government and from Anthony Albernesi's ministers. We had the 148 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: Attorney General Mark Dreyfus saying last week that it's time 149 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 2: for men to step up to combat gender based violence, 150 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: and Minister for Women Katie Gallaher saying that this is 151 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: a crisis and that women don't feel safe, you know, 152 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: saying things like fifty percent of the population in this 153 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: country have to think about what it means to park 154 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: your car in a dark space, and what it means 155 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: to walk by yourself, and what it means to do 156 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: anything by yourself. 157 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Okay, And if we heard from the opposition on this 158 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: and is stretching across the aisle, yeah. 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of those rare moments where 160 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: we are seeing complete bipartisanship. We've had Opposition leader Peter 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Dudden echoing the calls for greater actions, saying society is 162 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: failing women at the moment. But it is very clear, 163 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: as I said, that the dial isn't shifting, and so 164 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: it is going to take a bipart as an effort 165 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: to rethink the ways that we are addressing this issue, 166 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: and Sam, I've been doing a lot of reading here 167 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: because I think there's been so much discourse about how 168 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: we're failing, how we're not doing any better. But I'm 169 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: yet to see many people come up with a solution 170 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: that we need to teach boys and men to respect 171 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: women more and that that will end gendered violence. But 172 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: I think one of the most productive pieces that I read, 173 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: and I'll throw it in our show notes in case 174 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: anyone wants to do some further reading on this, was 175 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: something that gender violence expert Jess Hill wrote, which was 176 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: about the fact that the government basically need to transform 177 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: the way that they are approaching this issue and start 178 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: from scratch with a completely different strategy. And she wrote 179 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: this full long paper with Professor Michael Salter, but then 180 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: she also published something in The Guardian that was basically 181 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: an abridged version, and she goes through step by step 182 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: what she believes needs to be done. And I think 183 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: for anyone feeling particularly helpless after the last couple of 184 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: weeks and what we've seen and what we've heard, I 185 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: think something like this can be rather helpful in thinking 186 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: about solutions because a lot of people are angry a 187 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: lot of people want to do better, but we need 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 2: to actually walk the walk, and we need to see 189 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: the government lay out a very clear plan of how 190 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: they actually want to eradicate this gender based violence, because 191 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: what's being done at the moment clearly is not working. 192 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: That's right, and we'll put that link in today's show notes. 193 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: And just once again, if you need any help, or 194 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: you know anyone that needs any help, you can reach 195 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: out to one eight hundred respect on one eight hundred 196 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: seventy three seven seven, three to two. That's all I've 197 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: got time for today. We'll speak to you again tomorrow. 198 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 199 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: Bungelung Kalgodin woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 200 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 201 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 202 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: s right island and nations. We pay our respects to 203 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: the first peoples of these countries, both past and present.