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You can contact 11 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen or thirteen Young and one 12 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: Thing nine two seven six for Aboriginal or Toe Straight Islanders. 13 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's get it again. 14 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: You choose you want with a coup with the cool Cons. 15 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: We moved a queen like you. 16 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: We'll never understand the things that we do. Still we 17 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: did with the band in the corner. 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: So beautiful. 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Cons. Yeah 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: you with Malik and Ron. Yeah yeah back again. 21 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Bye the grind man, the grind is on. 22 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: You already know what we're doing, and you guys see 23 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: everything that's going on with the podcast. And yeah, shout 24 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 4: out to we've just reached over five hundred subscribers on 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 4: the YouTube. 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah need the audience are thinking. 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: That very crazy because started this page from fresh Yeah, 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: it was a fresh start. I didn't really want to 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: drag much of that old audience into it, so sort 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: of made a lot of stuff separate because it's a 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: whole it's a whole different board game. But yeah, we're 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: so happy, We're proud and really appreciate it. 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: I went forward. 34 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: We went from going to fortnitely and we moved it 35 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: to weekly. I don't know that's going to be too much. 36 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: But I remember we started, we told ourselves that we're 37 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: going to do this like once a month. Yeah. 38 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: It went from once a month to doing it fortnightly 39 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: to straight away doing it every week. 40 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, but we're so happy. 41 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: Everyone's been supporting, and that's that's that's what makes everything happen, 42 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: you guys. Supporting, like sharing, commenting, subscribing, all of that 43 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: stuff is going to keep the ball rolling. And I'm 44 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: excited to you know, we've got so merch coming in. 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah yeahore before we got some hoodies coming in. 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 4: I know that it's getting chilly at night, so man, 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: why not who doesn't like some jumpers around this time 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 4: of the weather. 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Do you remember when we when we first kicked off 50 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: with the merch for twenty one district. 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, that that was crazy, man. A lot of people 52 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: we were buying it and we're getting it. And I 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: remember the NRL players were wearing our stuff too. 54 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: Probably the biggest, one of the biggest earns that we 55 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: made that we had at the start of twenty one 56 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: district was our merch A lot of people didn't didn't 57 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: really see it. A lot that but our merchants making 58 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: big numbers. But yeah, of course, any any business entrepreneur 59 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: know that. 60 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: You know, when it comes to the merchandise business, you 61 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 4: know there's potential money to be made. 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was cuck up because we had we 63 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: had them go go out to a lot of footy players, 64 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: a lot of footy plates in the area. 65 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: We'll tak them on. 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: They were like our Love is boys for mainly will 67 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: be taking photos. Yeah, some boys from Power. I even 68 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: remember Raiders. Some of the Raiders boys put on Man's 69 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: shout out to Love. 70 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: We're going to put it. 71 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 4: Right up here or somewhere here on the screen. We're 72 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: gons worrying. 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: Y And it was all unfortunate, unfortunate, Like there were 74 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: some people on the streets that were getting hurt. Apparently 75 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: what the police told us people were getting hurt and 76 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: it was a risk of. 77 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 4: Well, you know, back then, the police they really had 78 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: the agenda to try and shut us down, and they 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: will try anything in their power to even even if 80 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: they had to make up a story like that, you know, 81 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: oh twin on dishek jumpers, you know, causing violence in 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: the streets. Yeah, obviously they had to come up with 83 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: some ideas because around about the time we were doing 84 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: music in that and we're trying to be serious, you know, 85 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: there were no court cases coming up, and. 86 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: I've seen it. 87 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: We're just focused on what we're trying to do. And 88 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: the cops really wanted to nail us down because we 89 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: were like the highlight around twenty nineteen. But amen, fuck what. 90 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: A time, what a living and it is it is 91 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: everyone Smith paste past that fucking fresh start. We got 92 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: the bros and cons jumpers coming out now. Hopefully I 93 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: have been good news because use already now there bros 94 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: and cons giving you the ropes leading our younger mental 95 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: better way of living, and ultimately I want the best 96 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: for a lot of our young boys out there. 97 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: I'll get into a. 98 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Bit of a longer story on on how this all 99 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: like came came to plan. I've went through a lot 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: of the questions, the Q and a's that we got. Yeah, 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: we got a Q and AISE, but there was I 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 2: just really I've been interact with my orders because a 103 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: lot of you guys know me, I don't give a 104 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: fuck about the media. 105 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: I like to be honest. 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: I want to I want I want that interaction between 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: us and news because at the end of the day, 108 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: being professional is just not our flavor. It's just just 109 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: just go with the play. And we want to do 110 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: this to give back to our people. We want to 111 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: interact all the time. Yeah, and I went through the 112 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: Q and as that the questions that we got, and 113 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm guessing I'm assuming it's going to lead to. 114 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: The caption gangs in US, gangs in os. Yeah, yeah, 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: that's start. Let me see what we got here. 116 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: Hit us with a quick introduction, got it before we start? 117 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: All right, So welcome back again guys to bros and cons. 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: This is your boy Gotty and we've got Malichi sitting 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: on my left and we are coming with something a 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: bit different. 121 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: So today today we've got a few. 122 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: Questions that we've got to answer, and these are questions 123 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: from you guys, And I think it's it's only so 124 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 4: right that we answer these questions and not sweeping under 125 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 4: the rug for another few weeks. 126 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if if you guys, if you guys do 127 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: want to jump on, the next time we do a 128 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Q and A, make sure you're following the Instagram and 129 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: the TikTok, yeah, because that's where we're most active. Yeah, 130 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: that's where I usually put Q and A is. 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: Up exactly, And if you're not following us or liking 132 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: or comment, then you won't get rid of there very much. 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: Even if you're not, even if you're not asking questions, 134 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: but still follow the still state. 135 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: Because we're still we're still going to be active here. 136 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 4: We're missing, we're just missing. One of our producers in 137 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 4: the background is absent. He is overseas. 138 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Shout out to these men getting us stuff together, getting 139 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: everything done to. 140 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: These guys man, real workers right here. 141 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, real fast. This is a spot, this straight out, 142 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: This is a spot we got. How did you get 143 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: involved in the beef? If the elder squashed it? I 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: got this Q and A. I think there was a 145 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: we had MUSSA on last week. Yeah, a lot. He 146 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: spoke on something I'm surprised not not many people know 147 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: about it. A lot of youngers. I don't know Jen 148 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: X or Jen B whatever. It is a lot of 149 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: people gen z. A lot of people were like, what 150 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: is this guy talking about? I'll quickly run you guys, 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: feel what he's talking about. There was a beef that 152 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: happened four years ago, ages even like I wouldn't be 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: surprised if there was a beef that happened before those 154 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: boys is yeah, but yeah, there was. 155 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: There was a. 156 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: Beef for a long time before us. I'll say from 157 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: probably about two thousand and eight to two thousand and 158 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: I was going to say from two thousand and one. 159 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: I started hearing stories from him after that happened over 160 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: there as well. How did we get involved? I'll tell 161 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: you guys a quick story. I haven't really told much people. 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Despite there was a time, all right, this is the 163 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: first time I got introduced to the postcode war. Was 164 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: we knew it was happening, you know, it was happening 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: with our older boys. We never got involved. Whatever was 166 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: happening with the older boys was happening. There was one 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: time but where I was walking past I was only 168 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: twelve years old. This would be my first interaction with 169 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: the postcarde Wards. Yeah, walking at night through Granville, I 170 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: think there would have been as little scruffle or something 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: that happened later earlier that night, and some boys from 172 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Manay would come to look for revenge. Remember first going 173 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: back and forth. Well, and you would have only been 174 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: young at this time. 175 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: I would have been young. Ye, I was still a kid. 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: Anyways, some boys would approached me twelve years old and 177 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: they basically pressed me. That pressed me, I'd have a 178 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: blade to my neck. I think there were like probably 179 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: like early twenties or something, eighteen twenty. I would have 180 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 2: been twelve years old. These guys would have had to 181 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: have a blade to one neck. They got no clue, right, 182 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: They come up to me and they're like, where you're from? 183 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: That? 184 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that the pressing where you're probably from, say, 185 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: they would have done that to me. This is This 186 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: would have been the first time I realized like how 187 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: big the how big the bath was. Anyways, this was 188 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: very hard for me when I was young because I 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: sort of like accepted my fate. You know, a lot 190 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: of kids would scream and run. I sort of just 191 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: sip to my fate. Okay, I'm from here, like you know. Anyways, 192 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: these boys will pap me down that from my idea. 193 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: They realized I'm to his own and then like I 194 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: think it was my idea, like a bus card. 195 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: Or something for school. 196 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll find out years old and like they're fighting 197 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: each other. 198 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: I can hit fighting it. 199 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: In the background. Ticket is he's still young. He's still young. 200 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: And then the bloke that's on me, he would give 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: it back to me like sorry, fuck, now we know 202 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: you go sorry about this. 203 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: We're looking for someone else. You know. 204 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: So I haven't told much people, but this, this moment 205 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: right here would eventually lead to many years in prison 206 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: before the age of twenty five. 207 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, this, uh, this time would have scard me. 208 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: This time changed my approach to everything. 209 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: You know. 210 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: It was that it was from that age I decided 211 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: I was going to run the ball up on any 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: of these alps in prison, which was usually happens in prison. 213 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: That's where I would bump back into a lot of them, 214 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: and you may all kick off again. The whole new generation. 215 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Our older boys are really peaced it. But there's a 216 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: whole new generation starting again, you know. Yeah, I don't know, 217 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: I can't speak for any other boys in my area. 218 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: But that's what happened to me. That's how I got it, 219 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 2: that's how I first started getting involved. And yeah, it's 220 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: crazy and what I was saying about, like how this 221 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: came into my vision this podcast. Before earlier this year, 222 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: a few youngins would message me at the age of 223 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, Hey brother plays like can you guide me? 224 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: I want to join a gang. Boys are bullying me. 225 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: This stuff happening, yeah, and bro, like I sort of 226 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: seen my life in like in this shoes and you 227 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: know what, Like I remember earlier this ye were still 228 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: releasing Drew rapping, not giving a fuck, We're not giving 229 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: not thinking. 230 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was the first time. 231 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: I actually started thinking like, well, like kids are actually 232 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: looking after us, and it would ultimately change my my 233 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: my mentality, will change my mentality. And because I can't 234 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: talk shit to these kids, I can't. I can't tell 235 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: them be strong and get get your get back out, 236 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: or like ye're doing up with this guy, I can't 237 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: talk shit to them. So I'm messaging these kids back, 238 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: but man, just stay away from that stuff. And these 239 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: kids are thinking what the fuck. 240 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: Melic Yes, uh, yeah, just that. 241 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: But I'm going to keep it as you as I can, 242 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: because I've seen myself in these kids shoes, and I'm 243 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: hoping these guys have learned. I hope you actually took 244 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: something from it, because I really want to show you 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: better ways or stuff that I'll find out I had 246 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: to find out about years later. Yeah, stuff the way 247 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm living now. 248 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I want to really. 249 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: Teach the youngins, like it's proper ways to live without 250 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: going through juvie and jail. You know. 251 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: Fun that because these younger in like twelve thirteen, they're 252 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: going through this, it just makes you think, you know, 253 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: they could have just imagine how they felt when you 254 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: replied like that, Yeah, it could have been like just 255 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: a lot of them, a lot of a shamed feeling. 256 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, because a lot of them came to 257 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 2: me looking for someone to do them up like you, 258 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: and it would be a whole different response that I'll 259 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: give them. Yeah, and yeah, I'm just hoping that these 260 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: guys learn to be strong. I remember telling a lot 261 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: of them, you're going to go older, and you're gonna 262 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: going to You're gonna have to stand on your feet. 263 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: There's no point of doing the gangs. You're gonna have 264 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: to look after yourself. Yeah, and it's almost eleven year old. 265 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: It's probably not really helping them that much. Is they're thinking, 266 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to get bullied again the game. But yeah, 267 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: a lot of your kids will slowly learn that you're 268 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: going to have to look after yourself. You're going to 269 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: stand on your two feet. That's going to take you far. 270 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: It's going to take you anyways. Me and God here 271 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: giving that the ropes. I went too long on that question. 272 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I'll get to the next one. That was question one. 273 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: You know, second question, someone who do US Islanders go 274 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: to war with from the inside answered only a little 275 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: bit on TikTok about. 276 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: I didn't really answer it. 277 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: Bland, the Islanders go to war with Islanders and any 278 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: NAT show pretty much that that their oppositions are so yeah, 279 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 4: I don't really know the best way to answer that is. 280 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: If you're part of a gang outside of jail, and 281 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 4: you go inside the jail and you run into your 282 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: opposition game, whether it's a bikey postcode, whether it's bloods 283 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: or crips, bro, that's it. That's yeah, that's who you're fighting. 284 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if it's it's a tongue in fighting 285 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 4: as some wine or someone fighting an you'll have to 286 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 4: represent what you originally went in with. 287 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: So but you know what I was saying, It's ultimately 288 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: comes down to like our Islanders going beefing with each. 289 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: Other against the Islanders. 290 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: Yes, it is, because they're the only ones and even 291 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: in my experience, they're the only ones that are like 292 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 4: going around pressing you know. 293 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's because we're all 294 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: in the same same boat. Yeah, you're not going to 295 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: be you see, a lot of Asians were in there 296 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: for cooking, like importing and that money. Islanders were in 297 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: there for distortion. M Robs say. It's almost like that 298 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: everyone was in different different games, so you had to 299 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: be for people in the same game exactly samely. Some 300 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: Arabs will be with Arabs, as all Asians would be 301 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: for Asians, and then Islanders. 302 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: It's really really true that the way you said it 303 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: like that. 304 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually really true. 305 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: I think I don't know if there's any truth behind that, 306 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: but that's just from my perspective. I feel like we 307 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: bump into each other on the same route. We all 308 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: grow up, we all grow up in the trenches, and 309 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: then we meet like us Islanders. We see each other 310 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: on the on the streets a lot, we see we 311 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: see each other in the same boat a lot of 312 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: the times and say, you're not gonna fight someone that's 313 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: doing something else. 314 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're not gonna fight. Very rare, Yeah, very rare. 315 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: But I guess that's how it is Islanders would be 316 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: for Islanders. It's just sad. It's a sad thing. But 317 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: like it's it happens if us, it happens with everyone. 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: It will probably happen after these scene. What's a lot 319 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: to be institutionalized? 320 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: Oh but it's the worst, mate, So I can't think 321 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 4: of a more uglier feeling than being institutionalized. Man, some 322 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 4: boys rather be institutionalized because they feel like they have 323 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: a life in there. 324 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's for them. 325 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: They have a belonging, sense of belonging and some mates. 326 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: But I've actually heard this from one of the one 327 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: of the inmates I met up with Lift girl. I think, yeah, 328 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: this guy was like he loves jail, like he can't 329 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 4: see himself living outside. 330 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: But that's just sad. 331 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know what, I was crazy when I 332 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: was up in Wellington. When I was in Wellington with 333 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: the boys there you have people that will get released. 334 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: We'll talk. 335 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: We talked about the boping and one of our podcasts. Yeah, 336 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: synthetic heroin, this is actually hard to get on the outside. Oh, 337 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: it's actually not that easy to get on the On 338 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: the outside, you have to be prescribed and certain people 339 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: would have to go through one hundred tests or whatever. 340 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. 341 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: But inside prison it was easier to get so because 342 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: you just buy all your shopping and you get to 343 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: one of the blakes and they'd have he'd have a 344 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 2: few strips on him. 345 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: Not until COVID hit, though. When COVID hit, it was 346 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: a different story. 347 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 348 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 4: And when me and Malik got locked up. He's got 349 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: to remember we went inside jail just before COVID started. 350 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: All around the world fucking the worst, the worst time, Bro, 351 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 4: and we had. People were like, people were telling me, 352 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: why is that bad to be in jails. We're already 353 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: locked up on the outside anyway, Say it doesn't really matter. 354 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 4: But the thing is they don't know we were locked 355 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 4: up inside jail. 356 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: We were locked up, locked up. 357 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: Say picture jail, but inside the jail, another jo inside 358 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: the jail. That's that's why we were going for it 359 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: because these guys were depressed. We were like, fucking yeah. 360 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: People were calling. 361 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: I was calling people and they were like, you'd be 362 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: all right, like it's jail. 363 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: Nah. 364 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: When you see prisons on movies and that you see 365 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: people walking around and that that that is freedom. 366 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: That is when COVID hit. 367 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have any of those interactions with 368 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: other other inmates. 369 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: It was straight SEGRO. 370 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: Boys will be locked in the room for like as 371 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: if they were doing segro, which is when Ronnie touched 372 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: up on it. When you're stuck in the cell, you 373 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: only get one hour a day outside. So a lot 374 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: of people were doing that anyways, because COVID here, no 375 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: one was allowed to leave their rooms locked up for it. 376 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: And not only it was probably worse than SEG because 377 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: we wouldn't a lot of times we didn't get that 378 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: one hour to go out. Excuses will be like funk 379 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: that you're not going anywhere COVID. This COVID that stay 380 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: in the room the whole day. Wait to the next day. 381 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: Four days later you caught home and they're like, what 382 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: the fuck is going on? I haven't got a call? Yeah, 383 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: and yeah, anyways, what was I saying back to the bube. 384 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: But I was talking. Some boys would go out like yeah, 385 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: released for one week, and they'd come back and I 386 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck are you doing here? You 387 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: just got out, and they'd be like, I needed a 388 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: shot of bube. I needed something, like I needed to 389 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: get back on the drugs. And then like a lot 390 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: of these boys that were didn't have money, they would 391 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: go and commit another offense that could come back in 392 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: and like a top with the boys, see wherever they 393 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: can find boop and s makes or whatever. 394 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: Those fuck man, those guys, man, there's another level of institutionalized. 395 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: But like it's just stuck there with those guys. You 396 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: can't really like, how do you help those guys? 397 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 4: It's those guys. You can't really talk to them because 398 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: it's just like the spirits, there's nothing. They've got nothing 399 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: to live for. On the side, I think that really 400 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: made me institutionalizes because I think because we went because 401 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 4: I went there inside having beef, it really changed my 402 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: whole perspective on things because I had to live like 403 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: that for the whole, a whole the whole leg I 404 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: had to make you realize that I had to live. 405 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: Like that, so I've changed a lot. Like to be honest, 406 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: I didn't really think I was going to get out. 407 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: Because when you go inside and you got a lot 408 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: of people that you beef with, you plot against your enemies. 409 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: You plot against your enemies every day you're you're getting 410 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: ready for a taxi, getting ready for defense. And so 411 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: a lot of times I didn't really think I was 412 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: getting out. All it took would be that one time 413 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: that I would like clash heads with someone, something goes 414 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: down a couple another two years. That was my mentality. 415 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: Like getting institutionalized, I'd have to I'd have to sink 416 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: my brain into jail and stay in jail and remember 417 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: that I'm going to stay in jail as long as 418 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: it takes. 419 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: Luckily, but luckily we made it. 420 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: At the other end, I came out like without any 421 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: big charges in jail. I still had charges, but without 422 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: any big charges that would cost you another. 423 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Year or so. 424 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: Speaking of that, bro one one crazy thing that happened 425 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: when I went inside. This was the first day when 426 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: I walked into Silvil Water Pot fourteen twenty nineteen. First 427 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: I went into civil Warter. There was a bloke I met. 428 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: He was only in there for a few months, A 429 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: tongueing guy who's only in there for a few months. Yeah, 430 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: this guy had one fight, one fight that would change 431 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: his life forever. Yeah, he got into a fight and 432 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm not too sure on the whole story, but old 433 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: mate would end up hitting his head on the ground 434 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: and he'd passed away. Okay, Yes, the guy would pass 435 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: over the guy he had a fight with someone and 436 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: the guy would hit the ground and pass away. Yeah, 437 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: and so what had what? What went from a few 438 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: months in jail twenty five times twenty five plus and 439 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: like that's it's sad because that's what happens to a 440 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: lot of us boys that are banging. Like you could 441 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: go in there for a year, but you could come 442 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: at the other end seven years later. 443 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: I think that's very common with a lot of the 444 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: Islanders that are institutionalized there. Yeah, most of them going 445 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 4: there and they're only meant to be in there for 446 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: a short term period. Yeah, ended up getting into a 447 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: scuffle or a crack that ends up giving them actually 448 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: longer time. 449 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: When they trained there, they trained their brains to see 450 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: the jail as home home. They trained and they trained 451 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: their brain to see ce jail's home and by the 452 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: time they get out, they're not comfortable anymore. Like it's weird. 453 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: You can't just get whatever you want. You can't just 454 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: demand what you need. Everything is gonna be like working 455 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: for it. Everything's gonna be earned. That's scary, bro, Like, yeah, 456 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: this guy would fuck This was my first day in 457 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: walking inside and this tongue and guy tells me that 458 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 2: my heart will broke in pieces. I was like what 459 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: a few months. I was like, glad, how could you 460 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: do that? Like you were in here for a few months. 461 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: You had one fight, but then it could have happened 462 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: to anyone. You get into one fight and then someone 463 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: hits his head on the ground and then you're gone. 464 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: That's all it would have taken. And this is my 465 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: first day. So I'm thinking fuck, Like I had to 466 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: change my approach and fighting, Like I was thinking fun, 467 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: anyone a fight, like, I'll look after him, I'll pick 468 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: his head up, make sure he's right, what's your base, 469 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: put pillars all around the cells. Yeah, because that's what 470 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: I'm thinking. The one I'm like, fucking I fight I 471 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: get into, I'm fucking gone. 472 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 473 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: And then yeah, I slowly got to the point where 474 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: I had to accept my fate that like anything, any 475 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 2: fight that you get into, anything happen because there's no 476 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: rules when it comes to fighting is all. So yeah, 477 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: that's what we thinking about institutional Quickly a movement to 478 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: the next question. Someone said, how do you know which 479 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: crew is which inside the gangs? 480 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 4: Well, first, first you'll find out by their tattoos. I 481 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 4: think the tattoos is the biggest throw away. Yeah, you 482 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: can see if they've got tattoos on their legs, neck, hands, shoulders. 483 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: That's probably the first giveaway. The second is. 484 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: If they be careful with those tattooes. But because there's 485 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of bad people that 486 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: like I'm talking about Informanta that that was talent, gangster 487 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: and everything, you'll be our prized the people that people that, Yeah, 488 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: the people that are informing and that the ones that 489 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 2: got the police on the forehead their system. They don't 490 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: want that room, like, yeah, what do you want any information? 491 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: As you know, those guys went to Bali and got 492 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: a whole body. 493 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: Is which there was two big Islander gangs I had 494 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: to touch base on inside there were two the biggest 495 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: Allander gangs. Yeah, I think everyone knows them. 496 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: Everyone knows it's in Bodline. 497 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: And Bloodline also known as Anger. Oh no, I would 498 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: told which. I wouldn't know which crude was from. But 499 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: there's one way to find out if the Islander is 500 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: gang affiliated. When you walk into a jail. Only the 501 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: gang affiliate. The ones won't come and say hi to you. 502 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: They won't say hi to you. 503 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know which, just wait around there. 504 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: They're like they'll wait like a shark. They're plodding on you, 505 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, that's how I identified them. I would 506 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: walk in a group of Islander boys like in the 507 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: corner a lot of the most times they would come 508 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: and they want to know who you are. 509 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: They want to meet you. 510 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: But the ones that wouldn't come out, they would just 511 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 2: like look at you and they go back to playing cards, 512 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: and you know, they don't want to come and say 513 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: hi because these guys are ready to attack at any moment. 514 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: They said, they're not going to come and say hi, 515 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: how are you there? Yeah, that's how I knew. I 516 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: would go into a jail and then there will be 517 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: Islanders that like I would see them, yeah, and they 518 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: would probably like safe I was. If you know bloodline jail, 519 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: they will probably think I'm o C, so they would 520 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: wait just to see and if I went to see jail, 521 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: they would think I'm bloodline and they would wait. As 522 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: That's how I identified the cruise. Yeah, because other than that, 523 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: a lot of Islanders want to come and meet another oneander. Yeah, 524 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: they look after each other. That's why if you're you're 525 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: not gang affiliated, a lot of them will want to come. 526 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're in good hands. 527 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 4: But if you're yeah, and you're not affiliated with any 528 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 4: of the gangs and you getting there, but yeah, you 529 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 4: end up with a toaster rebel httle everything TV showed 530 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 4: away and SIK. 531 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: Subject that came up was the album Expect It Better. 532 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: If you're like new, a lot of the boys will 533 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: sort of influence you into it, like the sorlogy. You 534 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: have to take it, and a lot of boys do it, yeah, 535 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: because what else are you going to do? I mean, like, 536 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm going to do it, but a 537 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 2: lot of boys, what else am I going to do? 538 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: What's the worst that could happen? That could happen? 539 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: Like me Island, that's exactly what happens. Yeah, in the 540 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: bed asking the boys someone give me a shot please, 541 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: I got hooked one time because I was I was 542 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: using boob to get field, so I ended up chopping 543 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: in too much. And then I felt like I haven't 544 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: even told anyone this, but man, when I got deep 545 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: into it with the boys, Yeah, that would change my 546 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: life forever. Because I've been released out of prison probably 547 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: seven times before the age of twenty five. Yeah, this 548 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: time was the worst time I ever got released because 549 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: every time other time was good. No feeling can match 550 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: a feeling of being released at the release date. This 551 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: time would be the worst time I ever got released 552 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: because I was chopping into much. Yeah, and like this 553 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: is what I really want, the difference. Yeah, this is 554 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: why I really want people to be careful because I 555 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: would have come out and seen my wife again, my missus, 556 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: my family. But this time it was different because I 557 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: wasn't acting happy, I had no emotions. I was hanging 558 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: out for more bube and so I'm not gonna have 559 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: boop on the outside. 560 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: That was just stumpid for me. 561 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: Like personally, I would think that someone seek for three 562 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: weeks after getting released, and this is probably like three 563 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: months of taking it. Three months are taking it not 564 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: too much but not even too much. Yeah, I would 565 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: get sick for three weeks. I couldn't even say hi, 566 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: I have high, like with a happy face. I couldn't 567 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: show that much emotions of being back. And it was 568 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: a sad time for me because when I got there, 569 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: your partner wants to take it everywhere. You just want 570 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: to get out and dinner and dinners. I couldn't even eat, 571 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: like I was full cold turkey, and I'm thinking, like 572 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: I remember lying down in bed for nights and I 573 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: couldn't sleep the first week, and I was thinking, what 574 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: the fuck did I get myself into? And why the 575 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: fuck did boys do this like it's normal. Someone said 576 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: that a lot of people do use it for medication. Yeah, 577 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: I understand that, but ninety nine percent of the jails 578 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: are using it like abusing it like don't need it 579 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: for medication. That's why we're bringing up in the first place. 580 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll be sick and I'll be sitting there. 581 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: I'll be staying up all night in bed. I'm supposed 582 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: to be at parties and that release parties everything. I'm 583 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: just lying down in bed thinking what the fuck that 584 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: I get myself into. I can't even be happy. I 585 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: can't get anywhere I kind of even. 586 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Talk to feeling man such an ugly feeling. 587 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: That feeling I could never get back to, like remember, 588 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: like you need to keep your emotions there. Boys, it's 589 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: so much Life is so much better when you're like 590 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: interacting with your family and your loved ones and you're 591 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: being the best version of yourself. 592 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: Trust me. What are other Nashals like in jail? Someone asks, 593 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: you know what? 594 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: During my time incarcerated, I hung out with a lot 595 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: of Asians. I don't know what it is, but the 596 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 4: Islanders and Asians get on very well. 597 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: They always get very well inside. Yeah, And I don't 598 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: know why. 599 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 4: It's just it's an instant click with those two races. 600 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: And you'd always see every day you go to every 601 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 4: pod you go to, the Islanders and Asians were always 602 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: like sitting at the same table, yeah, and talking amongst 603 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: amongst each other. 604 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: You know, they were very close. Yeah, you know. And 605 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 606 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 4: It was a bit weird because I never knew Islanders 607 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 4: and Asians were close like that until I went. 608 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: Into Yeah, weird because I hung out with a lot 609 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: of Arabs when I was in there. I don't know 610 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: if a lot of other Islanders were doing that. But 611 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: for me personally, if you grow up in Grandville, all 612 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: been deer. 613 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: Like. Yeah, they were always hanging on. Yeah. 614 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: It was weird when I went into a fucking all 615 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: the Islanders hanging around the Asians. 616 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I personally would always go hang out with 617 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: the Arabs. 618 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: For me, that was home. 619 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: For me, that was like being in the area. That's 620 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: we're always together on on the outside. 621 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: Yea. 622 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: So one of my best days ever is when they 623 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: celebrated Rama Done Rama Dancers passed a. 624 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: Few weeks ago. 625 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my best days ever is that they 626 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: celebrated Roman down and they bring the kebabs like everything 627 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: from the Auburn shops that Cracker. 628 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Lifto at the time. Oh my goodness, bro, there was. 629 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: Fucking I think they came up with an ultimatum for 630 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: like Rama than they let boys bring food from the 631 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: outside like there was you know, there was cafes and 632 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: over everything, bringing sweet kebabs, this type of food, but 633 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: will make your melt in jail because trust me, food 634 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: becomes a big thing. 635 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: Comes a big thing in jail and then when you 636 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: eat like on the outside. Fuck, it's so different because 637 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: the jail food very plain, yeah, very plain. Hardly in 638 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 4: the additives and other ship that's in it. Yeah, I 639 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 4: guess you know the jail dinners and all that, they're 640 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 4: very very plain food. 641 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: They hardly got anything in it. 642 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a cigarette was going for a hundred bucks. 643 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I needed a cigarette. This is when 644 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know Islanders were already pulling the strings. This 645 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: is my first day I needed cigarette. Anyway, his display goes, oh, 646 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: like I knew it was a hundred bucks. They're like, oh, 647 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: can I get some chocolate and from And I was like, look, 648 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: this kind of wants a hundred bucks cigarette for like 649 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: some chips and chocolate. 650 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: What a you know? 651 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, brother, take the chocolate and chips, 652 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: take whatever you want. I'm thinking, because you don't think 653 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: about that shit on the outside. YEA six months later 654 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: I realized that food was like a currency. Who was 655 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: like what the boys doing and if you weren't eating, well, yeah, 656 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 2: then you didn't look like you look like nobody. And 657 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that I'm giving away more food thinking 658 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: that like this kinds of Friday in it. Bro, He's 659 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: like he's giving me a hundred dollars station and he's 660 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: taking these packet of chips and he's going away happy 661 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: like he's just done something hectic. 662 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 4: Until a couple of months in and then yeah, later 663 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: months later we'd start giving stuff out for like food, 664 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 4: anything food you could get. 665 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: You could see the little bottle of lemon lemon juice 666 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: from Woolies five dollars or something like it's the source 667 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: two hundred bucks. Stuff that you get at the shelf. 668 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: Like food was everything and. 669 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 4: My time, every every single joy I went to. I 670 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 4: think the main currency I winness stop boys using was 671 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 4: Serena tuna. Yeah, that was probably the main one because 672 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: it was like five six bucks and they used that 673 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 4: a lot for gambling. It was that and any chocolate. 674 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 4: It was mainly Natella, but it was like, yeah, the 675 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 4: sweet and Serena tuna because it was just easy, easy 676 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: to gamble and stack five dollars. Yeah, I guess that's 677 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: why they did it. And fuck me dead, bro. I 678 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 4: didn't really play that much that much cards in jail, 679 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: did you? 680 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: Forty one? A lot of the A lot of the like. 681 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: Forty one was the best. It's like playing cards in there. 682 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: Like it was like the black ops in there. Yea, 683 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: it was. 684 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 4: It was the fun thing. So if you weren't playing cards, 685 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 4: I think just having a ship. 686 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: You were just nobody. Yeah, I think Jay was pretty 687 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: depressing with that cards were playing. 688 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: You go to Fifthfield right now, like, oh, I just 689 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: found out about it. But a lot of the older 690 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: boys are playing forty one there. 691 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: Shops. 692 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you see like eight tables in front of the 693 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: cat the I think one of the Muslim leaders were 694 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: about this, because boys will get hang out there for hours. 695 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: FU, that's weird. 696 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 4: I should have screamed, dons in and say, hey, bothers, 697 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 4: we're not in down anymore. 698 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: What the. 699 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: But a lot of them will be sitting in there 700 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: but hours doing what we do in the yard. But 701 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: tag forty one, it was crazy. 702 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: They kept the tradition going. 703 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, the best thing that you learn from jail. 704 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 4: The best thing I learned, honestly, hands down is time. 705 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 4: I just value my time so different now because the 706 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 4: main thing is time. When you're in jail, the main 707 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 4: thing that you want back is time, and you can't 708 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 4: get it back until you finish it. 709 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 710 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 2: I can see that because this guy was training like 711 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: twenty four seven, probably twenty times a day, and I 712 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: was thinking, but he's probably thinking, like, every time has 713 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: to count, every second. 714 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: Every second has to count. 715 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: As soon as let go happens, every burpie I do, 716 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 4: every push up, everything counts. 717 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: You know. 718 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: It was just I'll keep that in my head because 719 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 4: I'm getting released. I'm getting released. I have to keep going. 720 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 4: I have to keep going. That's that's how Yeah, that's 721 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 4: how I got into the into the whole fitness stuff. 722 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: So that's and that's how you've applied it to your 723 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 2: life now. Yeah, and like I kept it going. But 724 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: God is a big part of our merch release, everything 725 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: from websites to a lot of stuff. This guy kind 726 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: of cannot stop. 727 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: But he's a. 728 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: He's a Every single second is gonna count. 729 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 4: The most perfect description. It's a ticking bomb. You don't 730 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 4: know when it's gonna blow, but it just keeps ticking. 731 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that even healthy or not? It'sa's gotta blow, 732 00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: but it gives. 733 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: I'm guessing everyone's like everyone that's doing well in life 734 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: or like that. 735 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 4: I look up to these people, man, I guess you 736 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: are here surround yourself with Yeah, you look up to 737 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 4: these people and you kind of like practice that same 738 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 4: tradition in your own life. Yeah, and you'll be surprised. 739 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 4: You'll be a lot more like them if you start 740 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 4: thinking like them. Yeah, they start practicing it into your 741 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 4: own routines and life. 742 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: The best thing that I learned from jail, which probably 743 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: helped me a lot when I got out because I 744 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 2: applied it to my life as your was not shit 745 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: going anyone. 746 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: So a lot of us grow up learning. 747 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: How to rip people, how to rob people, how to 748 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: take advantage of like stuff. That was one of the 749 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 2: most important things because I was hanging around Arabs and 750 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: Asians a lot I picked up from them, likekey, I 751 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: had to learn like I had to not read people, 752 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: had to not she go people, and like a lot 753 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: of these guys would respect me, especially when you when 754 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: you're mixing two different cultures and you're coming from two 755 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: different background and you come to get together for business 756 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 2: or anything. Number one rule, don't get anyone. And it 757 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: helped me out a lot when I got there. When 758 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: I got there, I stuck with that. I stuck with that. 759 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: I do want to get it. 760 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 4: That is completely like truth to the core. Yeah, that's 761 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 4: like a main characteristic. Yeah, that displays Yeah, in Mali's characteristics. 762 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 4: That's probably one of the main attributes that this plays you. 763 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I cannot there was there's a time to 764 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: serre dominance in that. But I will never should got anyone. 765 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: Because it's unnecessary. 766 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like you know what else, I 767 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 2: feel like it It changes your character, your whole personality exactly. 768 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 2: You might go some someone like over something small, but 769 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: that's the person you become. You become a shit goer 770 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: and like it will it was. People will see it. 771 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 2: Someone told me once before they loved talking to me 772 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 2: because like they can tell you listen, like they can 773 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: see what your eyes are like windows to your soul, 774 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: and like I feel the same thing. When you should 775 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 2: go people, people will see it in you and you 776 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: will see it in yourself eventually in the mirror. She 777 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: going people like it's not she going people. It's a 778 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: good attribute to have. You can apply to all aspects 779 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: of life, business, everything. It will take you far when 780 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: you learn how to do business with other companies and 781 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: that will learn to not should go them, and more 782 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 2: doors will open. When you say you've got to shop 783 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: or food and you're dealing with customers, learn not to 784 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: shop go them, and the customers will keep coming back. 785 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: Something so simple, but takes it ready very good anyway, 786 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: even the smaller stuff. I've always said this to a 787 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: lot of boys I didn't like. I didn't like the 788 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: boys that were cheating on their partners, not because I care. 789 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: I don't give it. I don't give a fuck about 790 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: their relation or anything like that. Like the small stuff 791 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 2: that you're doing at home eventually. 792 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Matter the person you are. 793 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll look at it, like, why wouldn't you 794 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: me your shit going the person that you love, you 795 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 2: walk with, you talk with. How am I gonna not 796 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: expect you to sit in the interview room and she 797 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 2: go me, you know what I mean? 798 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 4: That's why it's a big thing, man, Like the people 799 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 4: you hang around with, like maybe what they're doing is 800 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 4: sort of telling a different story to the main character. Yeah, 801 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 4: So I think that's why it's important to kind of 802 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 4: outline everything about a person that you hang around with. 803 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's small stuff that day, there's small habit. 804 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 2: It's the final details the habits. 805 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll see if they're actually true to the souls, 806 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 4: which is like if you are ship going to your 807 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 4: partner and you're being honest about it. 808 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at least and at least you're being honestly honestly, 809 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 2: I know if you should go me, you're gonna tell 810 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: me yeah, and then we're gonna work things out as 811 00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 2: well as cool man. 812 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: This world has a lot of cruel people. 813 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 2: Would you ever sit down with knowing that he is changed? 814 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: Wow? 815 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: Some more it's like one or two people that just 816 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: like every single Q and A. And I was hoping 817 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 2: to skip it, like it won't come up. It keeps 818 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 2: coming up. 819 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: You know. 820 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 2: We can only like we can't like sigre like pick 821 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: some questions and answer because I was gonna say like 822 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 2: that for me, Would I ever sit down with knowing 823 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 2: his change? The short answer is no? Why would I? 824 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: That's the question. Why would I to get some clout 825 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 2: or to like talk about things? There's not There's not 826 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 2: really anything I can get out of it. Do I 827 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: hate him? 828 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: No? I don't. 829 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 2: That's that's just me being blatantly honest. I'm gonna stay 830 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: honest in this whole podcast. And I don't care what 831 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 2: anyone says. That's it's all it's all about. Ye I 832 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 2: hate the black but me sitting down, what are we 833 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 2: gonna get from it? If it happens, I'll speak about 834 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 2: I'll speak about that in a whole different segment. It's 835 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: a long story to it. I've never seen you in 836 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: juvenile What did you get done for? 837 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: Ah? Oh? 838 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 2: Like Jay said on TikTok, but it's not a competition. 839 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: But I don't I don't really want to flex anything. 840 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: If you didn't see me, you didn't see me. If 841 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 2: you see me, you see me. 842 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't even care. 843 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 2: Like I've been I've been inside a few times. It's 844 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: never it's never been a flex. It's always been like 845 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: something embarrassing, especially the last time I winning, because I'm 846 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 2: in my mid twenties and I'm inside, I'm thinking, but 847 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 2: what the fuck is this? Like? Yeah, I me in 848 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 2: my mid twenties. I've been doing it for since sixteen. 849 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 2: It's never been really a flex. I've always looked at 850 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 2: myself as a dumb cunt. Like to be honest every 851 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 2: time again, And that's how it was. If you didn't 852 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 2: see me in JUV, you didn't see me. But thank 853 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: you for tuning in to A Q and A. This 854 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: is Malik. You're listening to bros and cons. Make sure 855 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 2: I like, comment, subscribe, get those numbers up. We've got 856 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 2: a very very special guess coming soon, coming next week, 857 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 2: and he has a lot to do with a lot 858 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 2: of the stuff we're talking about. 859 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: If you can guess who is I think that's a 860 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: big giveaway. 861 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 2: We should just stop it right yeah, yes, for you 862 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 2: know he's gonna we're gonna meet for the first time. 863 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 2: You see two different ex convict colodes. Thank you for 864 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 2: listening to process cons listeners and manage the. 865 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: Call comes removed. 866 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: A queen like you will never understand the things that 867 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: we do. 868 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: We did with the bank in the corner shook. I 869 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: want you