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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices.

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Speaker 2: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the

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Speaker 2: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge

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Speaker 2: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer,

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Speaker 2: are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our.

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Speaker 2: Elders past and present and acknowledged that this always was

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's like

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Speaker 3: the old follows are telling you, yeah, that's the one.

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Speaker 4: You said what we wanted you to say.

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Speaker 3: They heard the song, the presets, and they love what

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Speaker 3: we did with it, and they let us do it.

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Speaker 3: And because it is the first time they've let anyone

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Speaker 3: sample this stuff, it was a pretty big.

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Speaker 4: Deal in the industry and that's made it bit the noise.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.

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Speaker 1: All right, eh, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for taking time out of this amazing conference

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Speaker 2: to join myself and my guest, who you meet in

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Speaker 2: just a moment for a live broadcast of a podcast

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Speaker 2: that was a side hustle and is now the only

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Speaker 2: I think it's still the only indigenous podcast.

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Speaker 1: Sign to the iHeart Network, so.

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Speaker 2: That's one of my biggest raps is, Like you can

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Speaker 2: hear us on Virgin as well, So if you're flying Virgin,

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Speaker 2: make sure you listen to the Black Magic Woman. But

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Speaker 2: I'm here joining you from my mother's country, my mother's

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Speaker 2: mother and her mother and her mother, and at least

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Speaker 2: nine generations of my family have been in Redfern, on

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Speaker 2: Gadigle Country or the Block. So if you're from Sydney

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Speaker 2: and you've been here for a couple of generations, especially

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Speaker 2: if you are Corey or mob, the Block is a place.

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Speaker 1: That I don't even need to tell you where it is.

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Speaker 2: I live in Queensland, I live on Cabbycabby Country, the

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Speaker 2: Sunshine Coast, anyone being Noosa, Richard or Melulaba, all of

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Speaker 2: those beautiful places, and it has never felt like home.

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Speaker 2: And for an Aboriginal woman from Redfern, I would say

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Speaker 2: that there's no place like Redfern. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think the closest place now.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson said this, believe it or not, will be

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Speaker 2: Goldberg said this, and so did mc hammer. They said

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Speaker 2: that Redfern reminded them of where they grew up. So

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Speaker 2: I feel really privileged to say that, born and raised

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Speaker 2: on the block, this is my hometown and I literally

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Speaker 2: feel this sense of peace. We even settled even after

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Speaker 2: one year after the found referendum. So here I am

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Speaker 2: on beautiful Gadiger country and the language that was once

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Speaker 2: Darug language, we say worr me so worra me wan

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Speaker 2: gaddi nayo Bimbibila, Mandanara naya Gadigur nura. So what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying is I'm here on Gadigl country and my name

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Speaker 2: is Mondanara, and I've been trying to learn the language

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Speaker 2: that my ancestors once spoke.

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Speaker 1: I have a few.

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Speaker 2: Kind of questions that I want to jump straight into,

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Speaker 2: but in Aboriginal culture, who you are is much more

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Speaker 2: important than what you do, so human relationships come.

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Speaker 1: First and that's kind of the format it.

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Speaker 2: My culture has inspired me to do podcasting storytelling, but

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Speaker 2: it's inspired me to try and showcase as best as

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Speaker 2: I can to mainstream Australia.

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Speaker 1: Because this was in Lockdown that we launched this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to showcase black excellence and my brother perfect

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Speaker 2: guest for this episode because in everything that you do

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Speaker 2: and the music that you write and with we are warriors.

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Speaker 2: What I kept picking up when I was doing my

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Speaker 2: research was black excellence. This podcast was born out of

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Speaker 2: a global pandemic where people felt more isolated than ever before,

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Speaker 2: and for black fellows to be isolated, it's an interesting feeling.

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Speaker 2: I've never ever felt that I was alone in my

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Speaker 2: we're walking in.

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Speaker 1: The footsteps of our ancestors.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to kind of draw on my old people,

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Speaker 2: Us wort to put it out there for people here

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Speaker 2: We've got a national hotline one three Yarn, twenty four hours,

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Speaker 2: talk to someone hearing our experiences, our lived experiences as

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Speaker 2: So don't see us as First Nations peoples as victims.

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Speaker 1: We're not victims. We're owners and runners of country.

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Speaker 2: So we have to remind ourselves as Australians that it

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Speaker 2: So on that note, what a good way to introduce you,

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Speaker 2: my brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hand over.

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Speaker 2: To my guests on the show, and if you've been

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Speaker 2: that people can kind of talk about who they are,

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Speaker 2: on their own terms. So brother, Nookie, the microphone is

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Speaker 2: all yours solid.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, my name is Nookie.

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Speaker 3: I'm a ewn and Dunguttie breed, born and raised down

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Speaker 3: to the jeering Nge and the wild Bunga mob on

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Speaker 3: little little place just outside Kemsy called Bellbrook Mission. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Say yeah, half my family from up there too, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: You talk about the block, it's yeah, there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Similarities, you know, that sense of community and family and

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Speaker 4: So yeah, a lot a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of similarities between now and Redfern's. Actually when I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brother, this is one thing that we do as blackfellows, right,

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Speaker 2: and she'll be on a Google dude or next month.

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Speaker 2: In the nineteen seventies started a radio station and then

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Speaker 2: my dad went into media as well. And one of

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Speaker 2: my dad's best friends that he called his brother was

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Speaker 2: the late Uncle Bobby McLeod. So when I was fourteen,

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Speaker 2: this is a true story, we got our first birth certificates.

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Speaker 2: There are two hundred thousand Aboraginal Australians today that do

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Speaker 2: registered my birth in nineteen ninety six as a fourteen

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Speaker 2: as I used to be in an all female traditional

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Speaker 2: Abashal dance group, and we used to dance the dancers

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Speaker 2: of the Gumich people from Anahland. If you heard of

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Speaker 2: when we talk about the Guomich dancers. So Uncle Bobby

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Speaker 2: invited us to tour Oloa with the Dunach dancers for

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Speaker 2: then when I was reading you by, I'm like you

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Speaker 1: Related Yeah, yeah, same mob.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so uncle Bobby there, I think his mom and

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Speaker 3: my great grandfather's first cousins. But yeah, well yeah, grew

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Speaker 3: So Uncle Cecil in particular, like when I was in school,

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Speaker 3: it was hard for me, you know, So I used

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Speaker 3: she went down to school one day and said, hey,

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Speaker 4: They'd take me out of class and take me down

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Speaker 3: Me song and dance. And yeah, that that was mad.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what got me through school, really really helped.

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Speaker 3: So it informed the bass that i'd carry now for

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Speaker 3: for music. It all started with them too, Yeah, take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, because Uncle Bobby macloud, if

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Speaker 2: you don't know, I've never heard of him. He was

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Speaker 2: an amazing musician, amazing musician, and listening to talk about

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Speaker 2: rap about not just our struggles, but even those messages,

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Speaker 2: I can I can hear it. I was listening to

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Speaker 2: I hardly listen to music on planes. I work on

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Speaker 2: every plane, and this trip I decided just to listen,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, when you're present and

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Speaker 2: you can actually really hear what kind of messages have been.

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Speaker 1: Related or spoken to you? I felt like you were

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Speaker 1: speaking to me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just want to say that you know, the

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Speaker 2: music that you've been creating and the hope to younger generations,

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Speaker 2: but the hope for blackfellows today in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: I think we need to hear more kind of musicians

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Speaker 2: and just people in general spreading words or messages that

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Speaker 2: there's it feels like there's no kind of light at

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Speaker 2: it just felt like this was the right time to

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a blackout.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And actually I spoke to him on the phone yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It's funny like I've always been like a bit of

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Speaker 3: all our hear is this stuff.

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Speaker 4: About Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: It added to the way to the point where it's like,

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Speaker 3: there's too much with me right now. I can't go

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Speaker 3: home because I'm gonna take that bat you home, I'll

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Speaker 3: go to the studio. Rang Angus and Dallas happened to

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Speaker 3: be in town for something. I was like, Lad's got

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Speaker 3: to meet me at the studio. I got a you

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Speaker 3: know something I got to say, and so yeah, I

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Speaker 3: went to the studio and I had our producer there

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Speaker 3: who we usually work with, and he goes, what are

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Speaker 3: we doing today? I said, Lad, load up the presets,

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Speaker 3: so we're going to sample that and turn it into

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Speaker 3: our thing.

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Speaker 4: You know. That locked up with my people part and

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Speaker 4: we made the song.

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Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's

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Speaker 3: like the old follows are telling you, Yeah, that's the one.

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Speaker 3: You said what we wanted you to say, which is

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Speaker 3: exactly what happened in that moment. Jumped in the car

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Speaker 3: said that the boys, I said, this is how we

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Speaker 3: start this thing, and yeah, I released it. And then

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Speaker 3: they heard the song the presets and they love what

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Speaker 3: we did with it, and they let us do it.

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Speaker 4: And it was again because it is the first time

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Speaker 4: they've let anyone sample this stuff.

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Speaker 3: It was a pretty big deal in the industry.

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Speaker 4: And that so we made a bit of noise.

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Speaker 1: People are.

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Speaker 4: Join us next week for Part two. Mandanara's yarn with Nookie.

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Speaker 4: So there was three awards that go out. There was

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Speaker 4: four or five of us left.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, made it to the final bit by this where

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Speaker 3: I get dusted. So it was Pharrell and Rihanna.

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Speaker 4: They tied for.

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Speaker 3: The gold one, and then there's me and Edge here

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Speaker 3: and left and then I ended up getting the bronze

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Speaker 3: one and then I have a laugh. That is bronze enough.

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Speaker 4: He didn't need.

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