1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at Two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: this podcast. 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: There were innerie people. This land was never seated, always 5 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: was always will be. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Two Good Sports. It's sports news 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: told differently. I'm Abby Jelmy and Laura Sperway is joining 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: us again this week and I must admit you are 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the sportiest of all sports this week because I turned 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: on my TV on the Saturday night and saw you 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: doing Boundary for the AFLW and thought that's strange. She's 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: got to be in Sydney tomorrow for the NRL Grand Finals, 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: so you've had a very sporty weekend. 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: I love it. 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: I love it apart from sitting on the side of 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: an oval in the rain, the glamorous side of it all, 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: but it was still a good game, you know, to 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: be a part of it. I love doing the AFLW 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and the NRL Grand Final. It's a different spectacle. It 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: is a different beast. And I use the term beast 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: because you had to go out and find super fans. 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Oh look, and they were in the pubs of Western 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: Sydney with a vengeance and I was able to chat 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: to a few of them. 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Look, they're very passionate and it's good to get. 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: A lot of purple wigs involved there are it's good 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: to get them before the game. That's when you strike, 28 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: because after the game it can be a very different story. 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: It can be very messy and guards are needed. But 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: it was an incredible Grand Final and we're going to 31 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: break that down in our deep dive with Penrith, going 32 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: back to back to back to back, something that we 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: may never see in the modern era because they just 34 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: are an incredible team. And of course for Storm fans 35 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get into the bunker as well. 36 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: But we're going to. 37 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Start off with our good sport and bad sport and 38 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: my good sport, Laura like, there's some things in sport 39 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: that just hit you in the solar plexus and you go, 40 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: how special is this? And to watch Jerome Hughes, just 41 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: after he was announced as a Dalian winner, be serenaded 42 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: by the Harka, which was led by Will Warbrick, It's 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: one of those things in sport that just can't be replicated. 44 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: It's so special. 45 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: We'll have a listen now, and that concludes our coverage 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty four Dallian Medal. 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: I wan unreal, so good, unreal, and of course we 48 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: know about the Harts. It's spontaneous and it's led by 49 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: the Maori players in the room, and they're all from 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: different teams, they all come together. But my favorite quote 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: quote was from Justin Rodski, who's the CEO of Melbourne Storm. 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: He said, I absolutely shit myself because this call came 53 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: from nowhere and no one was expecting it. You can 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: hear the presenter they're just wrapping up the night being like, look, 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we're done. And also you can imagine from our perspective 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: in a TV control room, I hope they didn't have 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: a hard hit because they're probably going, hang on, we're 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: meant to be done. And there's a two minute song 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: in there that we didn't factor in. But it's just 60 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: the feeling. And again, if you haven't seen the footage, 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: please go online and have a look. Because Jerome Hughes 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: welling up as these players. 63 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 2: Dance in front of him. It's just so special. It's 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: absolute chills. 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been in a room where they've done this, 66 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: where we were siting. 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: Yep. 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: So I hosted a Storm function and will Warwbrick did 69 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: the same thing, and poor Justin Rodsky was at the 70 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: front table again. 71 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: So Justin Rodsky got another. 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Shock because someone roaring next to you when you're not 73 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: expecting it. 74 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: I feel like, is the place on fire? What's happening? Yeah, 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: And it's just the intensity, the look in their eyes. 76 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: It is p electric. 77 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's electric, and it just gives you these goose bumps. 78 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: And it's hard to get that feeling on a TV broadcast, 79 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I think, but it's. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: It's how I audio. So thank you for playing along. 81 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: With Well it's powerful enough that I think you still 82 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: get a sense and I love that they do that, 83 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: and I think everyone gets wrapped up in those moments, 84 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: so they're really special to be. 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: A part of. Absolutely, And what's yours? What's your good 86 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: sport for the week. 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to indulge you in Georgie because I'd like 88 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: to say you are both my good sports for your 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Australian Podcast Award nominations, so well deserved to. 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Both of you. 91 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I know this is your passion project. Yeah, I know 92 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: you don't do it to get the accolades. I don't 93 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: even know if you knew that you could get nominated 94 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: for your podcast, but you have, and I just want 95 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: to say huge congrats. 96 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: To both of you. It's great to listen to. 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: It's nice to be able to sit here for a 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: little while and have some fun myself. 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: But well done to you both. You do so much. 100 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: It's really kind and yeah, it's certainly not something that 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: you set out to achieve. And Georgie and I thought this, 102 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: this whole concept up of two good sports. It's the 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: better part of a decade ago when we were both 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: sports interns going there's no sort of listened to sport 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: the way that we talk about sport, and it took 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: us a decade and finding iHeart to get it off 107 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, but to be nominated, I think we're 108 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the best new podcast, best sports podcast, and also best hosts. Lol. 109 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: Will take that, the best, will take that. Whoever's the judges. 110 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Your check is in the mail, I promised, but no, 111 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: it's Yeah, it's just a joy. And as you well know, 112 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: you get into sport because you want to talk about 113 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: the moments. 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: That move you alat the hakka. 115 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: So it is really really nice to be acknowledged in 116 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: any way or more the point that people are listening 117 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: and enjoying it, so thank you so. 118 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: Much, but you actually had a bads. 119 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm gonna circle back to the sport 120 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: because you had a bad sport from last night because 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I heard it in the broadcast and thought surely not. 122 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: And it's back to Jerome Hughes and he was booed 123 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: after losing in the Grand Final. So this week, or 124 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: I should say now last week, he's the competition's best player. 125 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: He won the Dali m Medal. He's been rick stocked. 126 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Six points because he was suspended, which is a whole 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: different system from the AFL. 128 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: But he must have won by a landslide yep. 129 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: So he's been recognized as the NRL's best player. 130 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: Everybody knows this. 131 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Leading up to the Grand Final, he's in the Melbourne 132 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: Storm side that are minor premieer is for the year yep. 133 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: And doing those post match interviews when you've just lost 134 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: a Grand Final is crap. Oh I'm being asked to 135 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: do them as a journal is crap. It's the shortest 136 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: straw that you can ever pull. When they're like can 137 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: you go get the losing captain, You're like, oh did 138 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 1: you say winning? 139 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: Sorry, my headphone's breaking up. Did you say winning? But 140 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: the booing? 141 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I just thought it was unnecessary. So he's doing this 142 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: interview on the field. Obviously it's still very fresh. It's 143 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: on the broadcast, but it gets put on the big 144 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: screen in the stadium so all the fans can see 145 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: him being asked about being disappointed and losing. 146 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: And then you just hear this booing and I thought, 147 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: is that what it is? Yes? Is that what they're doing? 148 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: Is that what they're doing? 149 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like in my mind that's what I heard. 150 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: And I just thought, you know what, you don't need 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: to rub it in. No, the result's not going to change. 152 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: And this guy who is the stand up player of 153 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: the competition, I mean, no one really deserves it, but 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: this is the guy dislikes him. 155 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I thought booing. 156 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I just think of all the good things that you 157 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: can learn from sport, I think booing can get in 158 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: the bin. 159 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: I just don't think it's necessary. 160 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: But my goodness, me did Panthers fans have a lot 161 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: not to boo about last night because it was an 162 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: unbelievable formance and we're going to break it all down next. 163 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: Well. 164 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: The Penrith Panthers, all the pink Panthers as we shall 165 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: call them, with their beautiful guernsey last night in the 166 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: NURL decider for twenty twenty four, have put themselves in 167 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: rare air by winning four consecutive premierships. You actually have 168 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: to think, Laura when you say back to back to 169 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: back to back, to count them on your fingers for 170 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: just how ridiculous this dominance is. And it's something that 171 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: you have to think back to Saint George in the 172 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: sixties for this level of dominance that we've seen in 173 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: the National League for the NRL, and then since the 174 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: inclusion of the salary cap in nineteen ninety, they said 175 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: it would never be done. The Roosters managed to go 176 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: back to back in a couple of years, but no 177 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: one thought that we would see a team with this 178 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: level of dominance. And that was what was on display 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: last night in the Grand Final against the Melbourne Storm 180 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: because they just and in the words of Ryan Pappenhausen, 181 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: suffocated them. Their defense was a pink wall and you 182 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: were just watching a team where you think this dynasty 183 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: could continue to roll on and all of it. At 184 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: the helm is the Clearies, Ivan Cleary and Nathan Cleary, how. 185 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: Would you go being coached by your dad? 186 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Look, if he was that good as Ivan Cleary appears 187 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: to be, and I was that. 188 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: Good you went with Ivan Cleary? Well, what I was. 189 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Saying is they're both obviously very good at what they do. Yes, 190 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: And that makes it easier to put up with, don't 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: you think if you're like, well, I accept that you 192 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: know you're good at your job, and hey, I'm pretty 193 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: good at my job. 194 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: So let's just meet in the middle. Show we It's 195 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: pretty remarkable. 196 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: But what is remarkable is that the Storm had such 197 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: a prolific season and such a strong finals campaign that 198 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: they actually went into the game favorites. Yeah, and I think, 199 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's warranted. They'd beaten the Panthers 200 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: twice in the home and away season. The last one 201 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: was a very narrow wind, but they had beaten them twice, 202 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and both sides had some sort of slight injury concerns 203 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: going in. I think ultimately though, you know, the Grand 204 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: Final is played in Sydney, Yes, and that is to 205 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: Penrith or if they were a new South Wales side, 206 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: and it is to their advantage. 207 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that does make a difference. Did 208 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: you notice that with the fans and the ratio heading in. 209 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: I was surprised by the amount of Melbourne Storm fans 210 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: I saw. I thought it would be more skewed, but 211 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, I was told it was a pretty even split. 212 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: I think there was probably slightly more Penrith fans, but 213 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: there were more Storm fans than I thought there would be. 214 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: But I also think that, you know, you can look 215 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: at it from either way. There are either people in 216 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: Sydney that are anti Melbourne so they just go, we're 217 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: supporting the Sydney team, yes, or there are people that 218 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: are just anti Panthers over. We're Australians and we don't 219 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: like people that do well for too long. 220 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: We don't like it well. 221 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: Bizarrely, I think the reason why there are so many 222 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Storm fans is because Storm have done so well, yeah, 223 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: for so long. So Craig Bellamy has been at the 224 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Helm for twenty two years, which is just unbelievable when 225 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: you think about that as a coaching record, and his 226 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: legacy is one that will live on for so long 227 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: because he's been offered ridiculous money to coach elsewhere, but 228 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: his loyalty to the Storm and The fact that he 229 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: keeps getting these players from different teams that aren't getting 230 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: an opportunity of playing in the seconds and then turns 231 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: them into these Grand Final players in a star team 232 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: is remarkable. It was his tenth Grand Final appearance and 233 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: it was the last time that the Panthers played the 234 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: Storm in twenty twenty. That was the last time they 235 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: lost a Grand Final twenty twenty. Think to where you were. 236 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: It's just such a long time of dominance. And there's 237 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: a quote from Nathan Cleary where he essentially says they 238 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: were men and we were boys in that Grand Final, 239 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: and I just thought, I'm never having that happen to 240 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: me again. 241 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: And it hasn't. It hasn't since. 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: But the big question after the discussion we had there 243 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: is the attendance. Now, it would be remissive me as 244 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: someone who on this podcast, Let's be honest, is not 245 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: usually the NRL expert not to bring in a bit 246 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: of AFL flavor. So Dan Gorange just had a bit 247 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: to say yesterday afternoon where I went, surely, not, Laura, 248 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: this can't be true. 249 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. 250 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 4: I'm really just struggling to wrap my head around and 251 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: how the NRL Grand Final is tonight and it's not 252 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: sold out. How am I supposed to get behind it 253 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: when your own fans can't even get behind it. Look 254 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: at all the seats. If this was the afl'd be 255 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 4: sold out in ten minutes. We would sell that bitch out. 256 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: There are seats galore. Can't even give the tickets away 257 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 4: in the NRL. Don't compare the codes anymore because you 258 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: can't even sell out a Grand Final. And I'm trying 259 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: to do my best to get behind it, but you 260 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: can't sell out the Grand Final. Got a problem. 261 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: Firstly, I love what that man is doing for AFL media, 262 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: but it's a. 263 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Really valid point. 264 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: So yesterday afternoon you could buy yourself a ticket to 265 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: the NRL Grand Final and as we know, with the 266 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: AFL Grand Final at a stadium with an extra twenty 267 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: thousand capacity, it sells out in ten minutes. 268 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: And they are like hen's teeth. 269 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: So what is you got Peter Blandy's who's the head 270 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: of the NRL saying it's the most popular sport in 271 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: the nation. 272 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: Can that be true? I don't think so. I don't know. 273 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: I just I mean, obviously the Grand finalists were only 274 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: decided a week out. That's not new though, interstate side 275 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: going into Sydney. I mean, we just had to interstate 276 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: teams play the AFL Grand Final here in Melbourne sellout. 277 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a couple of factors. I 278 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: think the interstate side was one. You mentioned Penrith fatigue, Yeah, 279 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: that would be there. That would be there. Like I said, 280 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: we don't like people to do too long for too well. 281 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: I think we too well for too long. 282 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 283 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: We spoke last week about the prestige of the MCG. 284 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: I think that Homebush has the opposite. Yeah, I don't 285 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: want to go out to a core stadium like it's 286 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: just granted, it looked spectacular on the broadcast last night. 287 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: It did, and that atmosphere looked amazing. But I also 288 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: think what perhaps could be a bit of a hold 289 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: up for the NRL is that the Origin is actually 290 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: a bigger, better spectacle. So for us, the Grand Finals 291 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of the AFL, whereas State of Origin seems 292 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: to have a different level of that tribalism and that prestige. 293 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: Well you can maybe, yeah, you can just get more 294 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: people on board with the State of Origin because it's 295 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: a whole state against a whole state totally, so you're 296 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: not alienating anyone there. If they're NRL team's not in it, 297 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: you're going, Okay, I'm from this state, so I can 298 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: get behind this team. 299 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: But I mean, it was still a very good game. 300 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh it was amazing, like the quality of the foot 301 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: like it was amazing to watch. And again Penrith's defense, 302 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: the Storm just kept crashing against this wall and there 303 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: was nothing they could do about it. And that final 304 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: score of six to fourteen actually doesn't give you an 305 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: indication of just how good the Storm were. They were 306 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: leading early in the game, but against anyone else that 307 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Penrith's side would have embarrassed them, which wasn't the case. 308 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: But there was a controversial moment that has awoken a 309 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: good sport from wherever she is in Milan because Georgie 310 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: sent me a voicemail to play on this show, Laura, 311 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: because she went, I just cannot believe this, and of 312 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: course it involves the Bunkers. 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: So here is our resident other good sport. George on Jorn. 314 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: Not bonjour, dear listeners, I've still got my accent game 315 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: going strong. Jelmy, I hope you're laughing, But greetings from Milan, 316 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: Jelmy and Laura. Firstly, Laura, you have done such a 317 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: brilliant job in my absence. Thank you so much for 318 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: filling in for me. But of course it would not 319 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: be NRL Grand Final week without my two cents. And 320 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: let me tell you, I have a bank worth of 321 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: thoughts about the bunker. 322 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: Oh what a system, What a flawed system. 323 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: That's a bit of a spoiler. How on earth was 324 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: that try given a no try? Melbourne barging over at 325 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: a key time in the game early in the second half. 326 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: If that try was awarded, it could have leveled, if 327 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: not put the storm in front on the scoreboard. Now, 328 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the on ground referee said that the player Howarth was 329 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: held up. 330 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: I definitely saw ball on grass. 331 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: But I have also seen a new released by the 332 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: NRL because they had so much pressure and criticism, being like, 333 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: what the hell how could you award that a no try? 334 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: And that vision that new angle does actually appear to 335 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: see how hold held up over the line. But you 336 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: know what, that doesn't fit my narrative, so down with 337 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: the bunker. The system needs an overhaul anyway. This is 338 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: just further proof of that. Once again, things need to 339 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: be fixed in the third official game in the NRL. 340 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: But look, nothing was actually going to stop Penrith. They 341 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: are just too good and Mary Fowler's boyfriend continues to 342 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: prove that he's an immortal and waiting Lea Martin was amazing. 343 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: It pains me to say this, but this team, this 344 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: Panthers team is unlike anything I've actually seen in my lifetime. 345 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of NRL. They are incredible. 346 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: Well done Panthers, there go, I didn't choke on it. 347 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: Well done, well done, And anyway, see you next week, 348 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: two good sports. 349 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: I'll be back. I've missed you. Wow, your favorite Italian correspondent. 350 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: And just for the few that don't know Mary Power's 351 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: boyfriend Nathan Cleary. 352 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 2: That is the only way that George refers. 353 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: But you can see the enthusiasm hasn't been dampened by 354 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: the kilometers of distance, and you just knew that she 355 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: was going to find a screen. But it is a 356 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: really interesting question that she poses there because we have 357 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: the same again with the AFL with the ARC that 358 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: there are apparently forty different cameras that they get access 359 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: to and they make decisions, as was the argument last 360 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: night based on footage that isn't showed to the public. 361 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: So if you're the public and you're seeing a shot 362 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: and it looks like the ball hits the turf in 363 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: a downward motion over the line, you're like that for 364 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: my very basic knowledge is a try And then they 365 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: quickly find this different footage, which supposedly is what the 366 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: decision was made on. Why are we just not seeing 367 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: what the decisions based on to eradicate all of this controversy. 368 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: Maybe they just can't get it on the broadcast, like 369 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: you never know where they're fishing this thing from. 370 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: Well, they're watching it in real time, but maybe they 371 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: just can't roll it out, or maybe they don't want to. 372 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: Maybe they just go, we just need to make our decision. 373 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: We don't care about letting all of you see it. 374 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: We're just going to make the call. 375 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: We sit in our call and we're happy with it, 376 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: and then is it you know, the uproar, and then 377 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: they go, Okay. 378 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: Here it is. You can see it and you can 379 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 2: see that we were right. 380 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: And I think most people have acknowledged that that was 381 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: the case, but at the time it confused the commentators. 382 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: The commentators were saying Andrew John's was adamant. 383 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: And when you've got Animaltol saying that's a try all 384 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm. 385 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that is a try. I agree, Joey, I agree. 386 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: But something I found really interesting was that the head 387 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: of the NRL referees was really on the front foot 388 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: by getting access to that footage and showing it to 389 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: all the senior journalists, so before they got to the 390 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: press conferences, before they went that was certainly a try. 391 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: They got to see this footage and go, oh, well, 392 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: actually no, it wasn't. So it was really strategic from 393 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: them and clever from them because they obviously just saw 394 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: the fire or the storm, if you will, coming their way. 395 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: But it is such a disappointment when you feel like 396 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: there is a turning point and it comes down to 397 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: technology and not sport. 398 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: Isn't it. 399 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: Well, I think that was a turning point in the 400 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: game because had that been a try, and it wasn't, 401 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: so we know now that the result is what it is, 402 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: But had it been a try, then that's a big 403 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: momentum shift, and momentum shifts are so crucial in these 404 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: big games. Full the side that has the momentum and 405 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: that can be what wins you the game or in 406 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: this case, the Grand Final. 407 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: But that's the way it went. 408 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean, these two teams, these were always going to 409 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: be the calls that separated things, I think on the night, 410 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: because they're both so good that there has to be 411 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: these other things that prop up in the game, these 412 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: little spitfires, these little controversies that become these moments that 413 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: shift things either way. 414 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: And that wasn't the only one. 415 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, everyone expected low scoring, as you mentioned, and 416 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: everyone expected a close game, and you mentioned that it 417 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: wasn't the only controversy. 418 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: Do we call that a bite? 419 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: Is that a bite if someone shoves their arm in 420 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: your mouth camera monster? 421 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. 422 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: Also the fact that we're talking about biting again. Every 423 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: time we talk about NRL on this podcast, biting seems 424 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: to come up. What I mean, it's if you're in 425 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: a position where you've got to you know, someone's telling 426 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: you you've bitten them. 427 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: You think, well, why am I in this position? 428 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm playing a sport that doesn't involve my mouth being 429 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: anywhere on someone, so I don't claim defamation. Well, yeah, 430 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: this is the most watched game of the year and 431 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: you said you bit me. It gives pre school to 432 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: me stamps foot Yeah, don't you think like I didn't 433 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: bite you? And ideally if you could retract that, because 434 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: there are people watching tonight that never watch NRL that 435 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: just believe I bit you, sir, and that stays like 436 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: it does it lingers people. 437 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: Remember bitis Yeah, So I think just like you remember 438 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: that kid that bit. 439 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Your kids right kindergarten, because I'm coming after I'm coming 440 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: after you. But the NRL has since said there's nothing 441 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: to answer here, and it hasn't been pushed by either side, 442 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: so it has dissipated. And again with all the controversy 443 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: and even with the bunker call, Craig Bellamin his infinite wisdom, 444 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: came out immediately after the game and said, look, the 445 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: best team just won. They choked us, They suffocated us. 446 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: I believe on it. When we played our best, we 447 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: could have challenged them more. But they are the dominance 448 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: in the competition. And I find this so interesting because 449 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: I just think with you know, in the last five years, 450 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, we'ves had all these different premieres in 451 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: the AFL because the system is so different. 452 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: Of course, we. 453 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: Also have a salary cap, but we have a draft 454 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: which scatters the cards. It shuffles the deck even more, 455 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: whereas with the NRL, because that isn't their system. The 456 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: salary cap in some way hinders those lower clubs from 457 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: being able to attract and go, you know what, We're 458 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: going to pay you this whopping contract, but come play 459 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: for US West Tigers because I know it's been a 460 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: rough time. It's hard to attract those players when they 461 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: want to be part of a winning dynasty that just 462 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: keeps going. 463 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: Well. 464 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: Penrith has seen the consequence of that with one of 465 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: their players leaving for the West Tigers. Yeah Leui because 466 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: he was offered a huge contract there which Penrith couldn't 467 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: pay him because they are the side that they are. 468 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: They've got this salary cap and they just they don't 469 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: have the money. Yeah. 470 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: So, and we also see that in the AFL, where 471 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: there are destination clubs ala Geelong, where people notably accept 472 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: less than what they can get off it to go 473 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast because of the lifestyle and also 474 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: wanting to be part of that culture. But he was 475 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: also saying it is this team and that's what LUA 476 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: was sort of alluding to last night because everybody knew 477 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: it was his final game with the Penrith Panthers before 478 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: he shifts clubs. 479 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: They've embraced it. 480 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: There's a changing in the guard, isn't there. Yeah, So 481 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: I actually find it interesting how they've handled it. They've 482 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: all embraced it. They've gone, let's send him off in 483 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: the way that he deserves. 484 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: He's been a great player for this club. 485 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: There was no animosity there, there was no one which. 486 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: Is not what you see in all des No, it's not. 487 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: But what will happen is you know, it's been this 488 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: team that's been able to stick together and win these 489 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: four premierships in a row. The team agers, yes, personnel 490 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: move on, so it will change because you can't have 491 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: this group stay together forever. And it appears to be 492 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: this group that has managed this success. But it will 493 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: change and I think that'll probably start to be the case. 494 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: Now you've got one player moving out, but others are aging, 495 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: so there will be a change. But to see four 496 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: in a row, I don't know if that will happen again. No, 497 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: and something that we certainly didn't expect to see. And 498 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: our die hard George said that she never thought she'd 499 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: see in her lifetime either. 500 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: And she said, well done, Panthers, and I salute her. 501 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: I was about to say, I was expecting her to 502 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: gag or swear an Italian, of which there was neither. 503 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: But we do have a fun fact that links into 504 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: all of this, and that's coming up. 505 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: Laura. 506 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: It's time for our fun fact or I'm going to 507 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: go fun facts, because I've got two little ones here. 508 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: And something that we love about Grand Final Week, amongst 509 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: any code is you start to find out little tidbits 510 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: about how clubs operate. 511 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: Don't you hear these great stories in the media. Yes, 512 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: you do. 513 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: And I love what you're about to tell us because 514 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: I think that this explains so much about the Melbourne 515 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: Storm and why they have been able to be so 516 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: successful for so long. 517 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: So I found an article about Craig Bellamy. 518 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Of course, as we mentioned, the master Coach or belly 519 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: Acres is called twenty two years at the Helm, and 520 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: I think this used to be a secret, but now 521 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: it's in printed in the Telegraph, so you know it's 522 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: not going to be a secret anymore. But basically, when 523 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: he was potentially going to sign a contract with a 524 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: new player to come to the Storm. 525 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: We just take the player out to a cafe, and. 526 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: The player didn't realize that their mannerisms, how they treated 527 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: the staff, whether they said please or thank you you 528 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: was about to define whether or not they were even 529 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: offered a contract. It didn't matter if you were the 530 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: Jerome Hues of that general like if you were the 531 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: best player at the time. It was about your attitude, 532 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: your lack of ego, and how you treated people. 533 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: And I just went that is incredible. I love that. 534 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, when you were watching 535 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: the Grand Final last night, I just kept thinking and 536 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: I actually said to Kane, I was like, they the 537 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Storm looked really tired. The Storm looked a lot more 538 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: exhausted than the Panthers. And now it comes out in 539 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: the wash that there's a rule at the Panthers it 540 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how tired you are. You're not allowed to 541 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: put your hands on your hips, and you're not allowed 542 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: to arch over like you're tired. You're not allowed to 543 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: physically show exhaustion. And there's all these different little fun 544 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: facts that come out. And also apparently I love this 545 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: to build their concentration or their ability to keep concentration, 546 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: they were given a bowl of rice and told to 547 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: count the grains at Penrith, It's worked. Can't you imagine 548 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: boss going here, you go and you can't get distracted? 549 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: No, I mean no, no. 550 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what the equivalent to that would 551 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: be in our profession. Maybe waiting at scans, which I 552 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: do have to do, waiting for someone to come out 553 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: limping with that scenario currently. Also at the Giants of GWS, 554 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: they were given brown rice and white rice that was 555 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: mixed and they had to separate it. So this, I reckon, 556 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: this is something that's come from the nf NFL and 557 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: trickled down like it's probably going to be in a 558 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: ted Lasso episode at some point. But I just love 559 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: those little stories and those little things where you go, 560 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: well that actually that's what builds success, that's what gets 561 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: people to come along. 562 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: It makes sense the tide sign, so, doesn't it. 563 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: Because if you're looking at the other team and you're 564 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: battling and they look like they're not tied, even if 565 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: they are, and both sides would have been tied with 566 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the way the game started, both sides would have been tied. 567 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: Very few stoppages, people coming on and off but if 568 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: they're not hands on here, head down, stuck in the 569 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: big ones and. 570 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: All of you are, You're looking at them, going, how 571 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: are they They're not going to stop here? Yeah, it's 572 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: a mental thing. It's that mental game where you're like, 573 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 2: how much more have they got in the tank? I'm cooked? 574 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: So I can see I can see the strategy behind 575 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: that one. You know, I'm going to put this on 576 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: you because I just thought about it. 577 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: Now, which of those two would you either want to 578 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: separate a bowl of rice at the start of. 579 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: The season and be allowed to show that you're. 580 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: Tired, or would you go, you know what, stuff the 581 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: rice and I'll learn how to not because when I'm tired, 582 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: it's all. 583 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: Over my face. 584 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say the same thing there is. 585 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: I am terrible, Give me the rice, give me the rice. 586 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: Fly a stairs. 587 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: I'm over. I'm over. So yeah, I don't see how. 588 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: I mean, clearly there's a different base level of fitness here, 589 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: but I don't see how I would be able to 590 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: disguise that. And you know what, like where details people 591 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: here we are? I could maybe hack the rice for 592 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: a bit, you know what. 593 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: Maybe we can do it as some sort of two 594 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: Good Sports bonding day and we'll see how we go, 595 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: but that remains to be seen. But thank you so 596 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: much once again, Laura for joining us. You have had 597 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: a gargantuan a couple of days of sport and you 598 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: have been, as Georgie said, absolutely sensational. We've loved having 599 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: you and yeah, you're just a joy. So thank you 600 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. 601 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 2: It's been fun. Thank you, you're the best. 602 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: And now we're both about to drive to work and 603 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: talk about more sports, so that works. Thanks for listening 604 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: to Too Good Sports and iHeart production. You can follow 605 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at two Good Sports Podcasts. We'll catch 606 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: you next week when our favorite Italian George returns, but 607 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: until then, be a good sport