1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Is your dose of the 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, did Tammy 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Hembro just soft launch her divorce and a macavoy's strategic 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: baby announcement for first three months. After sensationally dethroning Australia's 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: most popular influencer, Mikayla Tester has revealed she's leaving Australia 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: for good now. Mikayla moves around a lot, but her 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: home base has always been Australia and she speaks really 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: highly of Australia on her TikTok. But this week she 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: told her two point eight million followers that she no 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: longer feels safe here and is leaving due to youth crime. 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Let's have a listened to what she said. 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: I love Australia. I think it's one of the most 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: beautiful countries in the world, but it is just not 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: what it. 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 3: Used to be. 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: The youth crime in this town where I live is 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: so fucking bad and everyone knows where I live and 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to live. I love Australia. I think 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: it's one of the most beautiful countries in the world, 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: but it is just not what it. 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: Used to be. 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: The youth crime in this town where I live it's 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: so fucking bad and everyone knows where I live, and 25 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to live here anymore. Ushers the truth. 26 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in Australia anymore. I don't 27 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: feel safe here and every time I move somewhere, people 28 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: find out. 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: Where I live. 30 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: This seems to be an issue for a lot of influences. 31 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: It would be really difficult to balance sharing about your 32 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: life and being really open but not giving away where 33 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: you live, particularly for lifestyle influencers who have to share 34 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: within their home. 35 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does seem to be a growing issue with influencers. 36 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: I mean just this week Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orvial 37 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: announced that they're moving to Newcastle and the reason behind 38 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 4: that decision was because they were involved in a home 39 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: invasion a couple of years ago because people knew where 40 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 4: they lived. So they're also looking for a bit more 41 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 4: privacy now. 42 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: On an international front, UK influencer Saffron Barker recently spoke 43 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: about how her home was robbed while she was on 44 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: a holiday, so it definitely seems to be a growing 45 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: issue for a lot of influencers. Mikayla said that her 46 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: front door at this rental property is made of glass 47 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: and she will often hear people yelling things to her 48 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: from the street. She did say most of the time 49 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: it has actually been supportive, but other times it's been 50 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: degrading comments about her job as a sex worker. 51 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 4: And it seems like this type of behavior almost turned 52 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: Mikayla into a bit of a recluse because during the 53 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 4: whole Anna poul saga earlier this year, she didn't leave 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: her house. 55 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, she really bunkered down at home. The thing is, 56 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: she has received such an outpouring of support for speaking 57 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: out against the polls and also she's now seen as 58 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: this person who's advocated for sexual assault victims. But that 59 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: being said, even though it's all positive, she will attract 60 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot more attention now when she's out in public 61 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: because she's so well known. And the thing that would 62 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: make it quite uncomfortable for her is she has bared 63 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: a lot of her soul online due to this Anna 64 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: pol stuff. She has opened up about the abuse that 65 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: she has allegedly suffered at the hands of Adams Paul 66 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: and it would be hard to guy in public knowing 67 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: that everyone knows your business. You would feel like everyone 68 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: was looking at you and people were talking about you, 69 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: even if that wasn't necessarily the case. 70 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she'll be able to keep a lower 71 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: profile overseat. It also means there's less chance of her 72 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: running into the polls. 73 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. They all still live on the 74 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and even though they do spend a lot 75 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: of the year traveling, there is the off chance they 76 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: would run into each other. 77 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I suppose they socialize in similar circles as well. 78 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 4: I was really surprised to hear she's moving to Germany, 79 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: mainly because that's where the Paul family is originally from. 80 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 4: They've been spending a lot of time there. 81 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe she fell in love 82 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: with the country when she traveled there with them a lot. 83 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: She said, she already has a unit in Frankfurt and 84 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: she's also been learning German for the past three years. 85 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I was more surprised to find out that she's not 86 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: moving to the US, as that's where her fiance Max 87 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: is from, and she has always gushed about how much 88 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: she loves America and would love to be their full time. 89 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's been some issues with her visa. 90 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 91 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: Well, recently she was talking about how her and Max 92 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: had been kind of arguing about whether they were going 93 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: to live in Australia or the US, and he really 94 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: wants to go back and be with his family. I'm 95 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: wondering if that will happen when they finally get married. 96 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: She's got a green card. 97 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think they're waiting to get married before 98 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: making the move to the US. Now, after sharing the 99 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: news that she's leaving Australia, Mikayla decided to put up 100 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: a house tour and I have to say the rental 101 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: that she has been living at for the past few 102 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: years is absolutely epic. It looks like a literal Pinterest 103 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: board and unsurprisingly this house is available for photo shoots. 104 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: It had this real Moroccan vibe to it. It was massive. 105 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 4: I feel like I know her bedroom very well because 106 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: that's where she shot five hours of her YouTube expose 107 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 4: on Anna poul. It almost to me looked like a 108 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: Barley villa that she was staying a well. 109 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: I got a bit of flat because when I recently 110 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: shared that Mikayla tester was wearing triangle bikinis. I said 111 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: that she shared a photo from her holiday in Bora Bora, 112 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: but it was actually a photo from her house. So 113 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: from in front of her pool, which literally looks like 114 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: a villa, it is the most stunning backyard. 115 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: How much does this place cost? 116 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: Well, unsurprisingly, it does cost a lot of money. So 117 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: her rent is two seven hundred dollars a week. She 118 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: revealed that to a follower. So a lot of followers 119 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: were doing the sums and saying, well, that's one hundred 120 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: and eighteen eight hundred dollars a year just on rent. 121 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm guessing she's making bank on her OnlyFans, and 122 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: it's probably not that much for her. Yeah. 123 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: A follower did point out though, that while this house 124 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: was incredible, there was a rather awkward set up in 125 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: the bathroom. So the bathroom had no door that blocked 126 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: off the toilet. 127 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 4: Oh, I hate that. 128 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: She said that it meant that she and her fiance 129 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: Max got to know each other very well, very quickly. 130 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: I've just been dealing with some heavy stuff and I 131 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: feel like people can tell. 132 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: It appears Tammy Henbury is a step closer to confirming 133 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: her breakup with Matt Szakowski. On Tuesday, the OJI Australian 134 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: influencer broke down in tears, admitting to her seventeen million 135 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: followers that she's dealing with something heavy. Kate, the writing 136 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: has been on the wall for a couple of months now, 137 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: surely this is confirmation. It really felt like a divorced 138 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: soft launch, and this is coming off the back of 139 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: months of bizarre behavior. Tammy and Matt couldn't make it 140 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: any clearer that they're living in separate states, they haven't 141 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: appeared on each other's socials. 142 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 4: Then there's a constant unfollowing and re following, and Tammy 143 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: ramped it up further this week, posting more cryptic clues. 144 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: So last week she was singing to get Away Car 145 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 4: by Taylor Swift and this week she was singing to 146 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: man Child by Sabrina Carpenter. Here's a clip of the lyrics. 147 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: She was singing to. 148 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: My boys and I did. 149 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Get an a lie mo man, I'll in competition. 150 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: I swear they choose me. 151 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: I'm not using them. 152 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: It's absolutely iconic because Sabrina Carpenter actually ended up re 153 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: sharing this clip. 154 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: Now, if the message wasn't clear enough, there On Monday night, 155 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: Tammy shared a very telling quote that said, when something 156 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: feels off, it is, and she added underneath a woman's intuition. 157 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: You know you're deep in your breakup phase when you're 158 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: searching quotes like this on Instagram and doing the reshare, 159 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: don't you I know? Now? 160 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: Tammy's appearance on an Instagram story on Tuesday morning was 161 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: the real nail in the coffin. So she started out 162 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: chatting to the cameras she made breakfast, and from the 163 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: get go she seemed really flat And I originally thought 164 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: it was one of those fake chats influencers do when 165 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: they need to plug their products, and maybe that's what 166 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 4: it actually was to begin with, because she started plugging 167 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: a supplement brand and a fitness app. However, when she 168 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: sat down with her breakfast, things got real. So Tammy 169 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: thanked her followers for their support and conceded that she's 170 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: been going through a difficult time. Here's what she said. 171 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: I also just want to jump on and say like 172 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: thank you to everyone because I've just been dealing with 173 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: some heavy stuff and I feel like people can tell, 174 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: like I definitely don't like to like pretend I'm okay 175 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: when I'm notn I feel like I have been to 176 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: do that for a little while, because you know, I 177 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: have so much that I have to focus on, but 178 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 3: I just feel like it's doing me more harm than good. 179 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you. I am, you know, 180 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: feeling positive today. And you know, I don't really like 181 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: to talk too much about stuff like when I'm in 182 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: the midst of it, just because it can feel like 183 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: it can put even like more pressure and feel even 184 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: more overwhelming. So I just want to like go with 185 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: emotions of it all kind of thing, and then you know, 186 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: talk about it at some point later when you are 187 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm trying to do this without like, 188 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: because when you are dealing with things, whatever it may be, 189 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: whether works, just have to get your personal life, just 190 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: own personal internal struggles or whatever it may be. I 191 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: feel like having an online community like you guys just 192 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: is really helpful and just makes. 193 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: You feel Now. It was at that point that the 194 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Instagram story cut out, and I think it's quite clear 195 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: that things to Scott too much for Tammy. It looked 196 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: like she was about to break down in tears, and 197 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: rather than returning on camera, Tammy wrote on her Instagram story. Sorry, guys, 198 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: couldn't get through it with crying face emojis. What I'm 199 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: trying to say is I really appreciate you all, and 200 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: especially when you're going through something, having an online community 201 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: like you guys can really just help to make you 202 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: feel less alone. So I really appreciate that, and I 203 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: don't take that for granted. And I love you all 204 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: so much. 205 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: Now, there will be some naysayers that'll say Tammy didn't 206 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: specify that she was talking about her marriage, and maybe 207 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 4: something else is troubling her. I personally am ninety nine 208 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: percent sure that this is about Matt. 209 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. We shared this on our TikTok 210 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: and also our Instagram, and there were a couple of 211 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Tammy followers who were saying, there's potentially a lot of 212 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: things that she could be talking about. I mean, recently 213 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: last week we touched on her scandal involving the camels 214 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: in Egypt. There's also been some dramas surrounding her brother. 215 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: There has been a lot going on, but I think 216 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: it is quite clear that this is about her relationship 217 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: breakdown with Matt. 218 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: I mean, the timing of it all was very telling. 219 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: I think that this is her way of addressing the 220 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 4: Matt situation ahead of some big milestone events. So Tammy 221 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: spoke about how it's her daughter Posey's third birthday on 222 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: the weekend and she's holding a birthday party. Matt also 223 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 4: has a big birthday coming up. He's turning thirty on 224 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: the third of July, and he spoke about having a 225 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 4: Christmas in July themed party months ago, so he's already 226 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 4: been away for Tammy and Wolfe's birthday as well as Easter. 227 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: I think that it's at this point she's really had 228 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 4: to come out and say, look, something's not quite right, 229 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: and it seems like she is following a very similar 230 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: strategy to how she dealt with her breakup from her 231 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: former fiance Matt Paul. The other Matt Matt Paul suddenly 232 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: was nowhere to be seen and basically just got phased 233 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: out of her social media very slowly. And this is 234 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: despite the fact that the couple had just welcomed their 235 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: daughter Posey together and Tammy basically didn't say anything until 236 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: it was so obvious that she didn't really need to 237 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: make this huge announcement. Yeah, and this is totally what's 238 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 4: happening at the moment. I mean, she said herself she 239 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: doesn't like talking about things when she's in the midst 240 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: of them happening, so I think that when maybe things 241 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 4: have calmed down, she will address it. I'm interested, though, 242 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 4: because I've read her book and she spoke about how 243 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 4: she's never going to go into the details about her 244 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: breakups with Rhyese Hawkins and Matt Paul because she has 245 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: children with them, But she doesn't have children with Matt Sakowski. 246 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: So I wonder if that will change her approach about 247 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: dishing the dirt. 248 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: Oh. I hope she goes in hard. I would love 249 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: to hear what has really been going on. There has 250 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: been a bit speculation that the couple can't actually announce 251 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: their separation due to their deal with Vogue, so they 252 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: exclusively gave the publication their wedding story back in November 253 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: last year. 254 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: I highly doubt it. I don't think Vogue has the 255 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: power to put these types of things into a contract. 256 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: I mean TV shows like The Bachelotte can because that's 257 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 4: how the couple met, and they signed contracts before they 258 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 4: go on and find the love of their life. 259 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: I think it's more that Tammy and Matt would be 260 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: trying to save face. They know that if they come 261 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: out and that their marriage only lasted three months, it 262 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: looks way worse than if they can say that this 263 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: marriage lasted a year or eight months or whatever it 264 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: may be. Yeah, it's pretty interesting because Influence Updates AU 265 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: put a post up about what Tammy said, and Tammy's 266 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: best friend Isabelle Laws liked it. I mean that speaks 267 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: volumes to me. Yeah, I am wondering if perhaps Tammy 268 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: and Matt finalized things on the weekend, because it does 269 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: appear as though Matt flew into the Gold Coast because 270 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: he shared that he was at a Gold Coast brewery 271 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: watching the footy, as he seems to be doing a 272 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: lot of. Tammy also posted around the same time with 273 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: a face mask on asking for documentary recommendations, so they 274 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: weren't spending time together, but perhaps they had a prior 275 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: meetup to iron out a few of the things going on. 276 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: I mean, Matt has been lying pretty low on socials. 277 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: He did the most horrendous ad I've ever seen. Actually, 278 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: that's a lie. He also did one for Koala Mattresses recently, 279 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: and it was so bad that it got over one 280 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: million views on TikTok because everyone was shitcanning it in 281 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: the confin. 282 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Now he's ad for the numbing cream for his tattoo 283 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: removal on his arms. That was very borrow. 284 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 4: Sorry, there's been a string of really bad ads anyway. 285 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: His most recent ad was promoting a shower caddy, which 286 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: made me laugh and I need to throw to the 287 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: audio to give it justice. 288 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 5: Introducing the tool Wall by Tooler Trees. 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His voiceovers are so bad. 299 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: If this isn't a big enough sign that they're getting 300 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: a divorce, I don't know what is. Because he's obviously 301 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: desperate for cash and he needs to do the attack. 302 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: He adds, it's so bad. Now someone commented under the video, 303 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: notice the left hand is hiding, to which Matt replied, okay, 304 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: Sherlock Holmes, I actually don't shower with my ring on, 305 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 4: but that's none of your business now. There was a 306 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: bit of a back and forth, and Matt hit back 307 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: to the commenter, saying that they had a sad life 308 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: caring about other people's relationships. 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: Again, why is he responding? It seems like he's desperate 310 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: to build up some engagement on this post because it 311 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: is an ad. 312 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 4: But do you notice none of them ever shut it 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: down and say we are still together? They just leave it. 314 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Well, it's fantastic for their engagement. People want to go 315 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: and check out their pages. I know I'm constantly looking 316 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: at Tammy's page to see if she's taken down missus 317 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Zakowski from her bio and to see if she's following Matt. Yes, 318 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: I am one of those sad people, but I say 319 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: it is for my job, but this is the best 320 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: way to attract people's attention. I mean, if Tammy Hembro 321 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: didn't have as many relationship breakdowns as she has had, 322 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't think she would still be so relevant. I mean, 323 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: no one is tuning in for the constant stream of 324 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: ads about Tammy Fit or Saski or all this new 325 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: supplement's company. 326 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 4: Just back to Matt's hands for a second. I was 327 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 4: listening to a pre recorded episode of his podcast Where's 328 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: Your Head At? And he went on this rant about 329 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: how nice his hands are and that they look really manly. 330 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, it was so cringe. 331 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: Now is he playing up his wrestler character there? Because 332 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: listeners will remember a couple of weeks ago that we 333 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: spoke about how Matt is into amateur wrestling and a 334 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: few years ago he played a character who had apparently 335 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: won the genetic lottery or is that just him? 336 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: That's just him? It actually reminded me of that Seinfeld 337 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: episode where George becomes a hand model and. 338 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Ends up burning them. 339 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: Now back to Tammy. Do you think her breaking down 340 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: on Instagram this week could be a little bit of 341 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: damage control? Also for not showing up at a supplement 342 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: brand's activation, because on Friday night her and a sisters 343 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: flew out to Sydney and they were meant to be 344 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 4: hosting this activation for their supplement brand Selfish at Bondai. Now, 345 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: the trip didn't really get off to a good start 346 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: because their flight was delayed and they ended up arriving 347 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: at their hotel to find that it had a nightclub 348 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: underneath it, which wasn't really conducive with them having to 349 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: get up at five am. Now, Tammy was supposed to 350 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: lead a workout on Bondai Beach with one hundred Lucky 351 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: competition winners. However, she didn't show up and her manager 352 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: told fans she was feeling unwell and wouldn't be attending. 353 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 4: Emily and Amy still appeared though, and according to people 354 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 4: who attended the event, they just didn't have the same 355 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: pulling power as Tammy, so there really weren't that many 356 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: people there. 357 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: I was surprised to see how empty it was. If 358 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: you think back to the crowds that Anna Paul drew 359 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: when she did a shopping center appearance, it was nothing 360 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: on that, even. 361 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 4: Her appearances with high Smile. I remember she did one 362 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: before Taylor Swift's errors to her and it was absolutely packed. 363 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: They had security guards there. It appears that Tammy made 364 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: an appearance at the end of this event so that 365 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: she could appear in the promotional photos, and fans were 366 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: less than impressed with this event. Many people complained about 367 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: the lack of products on offer to taste, as well 368 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: as the fact that hats were given out as prizes, 369 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 4: and one fan shared that they were so upset because 370 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: they spent one hundred dollars on an Uber to get 371 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 4: to Bondi and didn't even get to take home a 372 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 4: sample of the rotein powder. The only thing that they 373 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: got was a hat. 374 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd want to be wearing one 375 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: of those hats. They have been compared to Donald Trump's 376 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Maga hats, so it's probably not the best look. Do 377 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: we think that Tammy Hembrew was legitimately sick because Michael 378 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: bullshit on that. 379 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: There's a rumor going around that perhaps she met up 380 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: with Matt the night before. I don't know how Matt 381 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: was suddenly in Sydney. He lives in Melbourne, so it 382 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: might be a little bit of a stretch. Maybe she's 383 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: just going through it at the moment. 384 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how pissed off her sisters would have 385 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: been because that would have put so much extra pressure 386 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: on them and is just so obvious, particularly when there's 387 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: a cool time of five am. I'm sorry the person 388 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: is not sick. They either just don't want to get up, 389 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: don't want to face it, or something is going on 390 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: in their personal life. 391 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 4: Well, Tammy does have a chance to redeem herself this weekend. 392 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: So in Brisbane, Selfish is doing another pop up in 393 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: the Queen Street Mall. I'll be interested to see how 394 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: that one goes there. 395 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: The two life again so good. 396 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 5: In scrass It's your Birthday. 397 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 4: After keeping followers in suspense for almost a week, Anna 398 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: McAvoy finally announced the arrival of her baby boy and 399 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: his much anticipated name. The reality contestant turned fake Tan 400 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 4: entrepreneur cleverly took advantage of the peak engagement, simultaneously dropping 401 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: baby updates alongside details of a new product launch. So, 402 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 4: despite building up the hype, sadly, Anna was pipped at 403 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 4: the post when it came to the name. 404 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Reveal That's right. Instagram account influencer updates Au received a 405 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: rather strong tip off about the baby name on Friday night, 406 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: and she decided to share it with her subscribers. So 407 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: in the post, the watchdog account also revealed that Anna 408 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: had most likely given birth to her baby boy a 409 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: week earlier because a handful of followers had spotted them 410 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: out and about now. The Instagram story revealing the name 411 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: didn't last long and was removed about half an hour later. 412 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: My guess is that Anna or her husband Michael reached 413 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: out to Amber demanding that she take it down. 414 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I can understand that she's waited so long, 415 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: and she has really been trying to pump it up, 416 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 4: because leading into her birth, she was asking followers to 417 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: guess the name, and she kept talking on her podcast 418 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: about how no one had guessed it right now. The 419 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: tip off ended up being bang on. On Sunday night, 420 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: the couple revealed they named their son Swede Ashton Staples, 421 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 4: sharing a cute photo of his little foot, as well 422 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: as a family snap following the sea section. Note have 423 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: you ever seen such a glamorous sea section photo? Like, 424 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 4: I'm feeling a bit of pressure here because I'm not 425 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: long away from him having my sea section, and I'm like, 426 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 4: holy fuck. 427 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: They looked incredibly glamorous. 428 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: Oh, she looked absolutely stunning. I thought the same thing. 429 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 4: I mean, it made me pissed off because I was like, 430 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 4: I looked like shit, I looked like a foot, had 431 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 4: no map on, no town, I had no Goldiebee tan on. 432 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 4: I think most of us probably look I know, but 433 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: I mean, let's be fair, she is a model. 434 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, in the comments section of this name announcement, 435 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: a follower shared their disappointment, writing, fortunately someone ruined it 436 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: and commented on your last post revealing his name beautiful name. 437 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: Though now I want to point out that that wasn't 438 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Amber from influencer Updates AAU, but presumably one of her 439 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: subscribers who was commenting the name on Anna's page. Anna 440 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: ended up responding to that comment, writing, I know with 441 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: a crying face and broken heart emojis. It did make 442 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: me feel quite sad for her, as you say, Kate, 443 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: because revealing your child's name it must be such a 444 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: special moment and one that they have waited for for 445 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: quite some time. 446 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 447 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 4: I think it's a double whemy in this case as well, 448 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 4: because she was really trying to get engagement off it, 449 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 4: and particularly because it's a very unusual name. So I 450 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 4: personally was quite surprised when I heard it. Everyone knows 451 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 4: I love traditional name, so Swade is never really going 452 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 4: to be, you know, up there on my list. Each 453 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 4: to their own. But I did see someone point out 454 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 4: that it sounded like a Bets and Bets winter collection. Yeah, 455 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: but Swede's. 456 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: Staples like, Oh, I really don't think that this was 457 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: the name revealed that she was hoping for. And I 458 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: don't think she quite anticipated the wave of negativity that 459 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: was set to come her way, because quite a number 460 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: of animal activists weighed in questioning why she would name 461 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: her son after such a cruel practice. One follower wrote, 462 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: if people knew how cruel Swede is, no one would 463 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: want to name a newborn baby with that horrible name. 464 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: It's associated with evil. Bainly from Warrior for Animals, who 465 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: we spoke about on last week's episode in relation to 466 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Tammy's camel incident, he shed his thoughts, writing, terrible name 467 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: for many reasons, but particularly concerning a Swede is animal skin, 468 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: and her son could become uncomfortable with that due to 469 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: becoming concerned about animal welfare a Vegan fashion week banning 470 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: animal skin. It is a name that if the child 471 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: grows up to have values against that material will make 472 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: them feel uncomfortable. It's like naming a child Bacon but 473 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: then becoming a vegan or deciding to be Muslim. 474 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: I think it was a case of bad timing for 475 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: Anna macavoy, coming off the back of all the animal 476 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: activists focusing on Tammy hem Bro's behavior in Egypt. I 477 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: think maybe she wouldn't have got this outpouring of negativity 478 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 4: if you know, they hadn't been watching so closely. There's 479 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 4: also been a lot of discussion and debate around her 480 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: strategy for sharing this birth announcement, particularly because she has 481 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: been doing it alongside continual promotions around her fake tanning company, 482 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: Goldie b. I mean, for influencers, name reveals and birth 483 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 4: announcements are huge business. These occasions are always going to 484 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 4: deliver and influencer their biggest engagement boost, and ultimately it's 485 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 4: going to lead them to having more followers and increasing 486 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 4: their revenue. It has been very clear through Anna's pregnancy 487 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: that she is keen to move into this motherhood space. 488 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: She's released a mothering podcast. The majority of her content 489 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: when you look at TikTok is all around her pregnancy. 490 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 4: And I know that a lot of women and a 491 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 4: lot of our listeners who are pregnant have really enjoyed 492 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 4: following her journey, and she's been quite successful at sharing 493 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: this type of content, and I think it has been 494 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: really fascinating to watch the way that she has chosen 495 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 4: to roll out this birth announcement because she's probably one 496 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: of the first Ossie influences I've seen bread crummet to 497 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 4: this extent. Sarah's Day was a fiend for this when 498 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 4: she gave birth to her first son, Fox around six 499 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: years ago. But more recently influences have been doing pared 500 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: back birth announcements, and I think it's because it's a 501 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 4: bit taboon now to be seen to be exploiting the 502 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 4: birth of your child and exploiting that child, well, it's 503 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: seen as being a bit opportunistic and as if you're 504 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: trying to push your own agenda and your own brand 505 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: now getting into the way that Anna shared her announcement. 506 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 4: It first started last week when she shared a video 507 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 4: of herself being wheeled in for her cesarean and in 508 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 4: the clip, she minded to the viral song oh my God, 509 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: I'm having a baby, and she captured the post it's 510 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: happening now. The next day, she then uploaded another reel 511 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: where she and her husband transition from their clothes into 512 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: their hospital gown and she captioned its c section incoming now. 513 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: It was another further three days before she actually announced 514 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: her son's safe arrival, writing here he is our. 515 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: Greatest love Now. In this video, she shared close up 516 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: shots of Swede's lips, and I have to say, this 517 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: baby looks absolutely gorgeous. His lips are enormous. He looks 518 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: like a model baby. He's stunning. 519 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they really stood out to me as well, I 520 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 4: suppose because they were the focus of the video. It's 521 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: interesting that she's not showing his face. I wonder if 522 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 4: that will continue. 523 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did have to wait a further twenty four 524 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: hours after that post before we got the big name reveal, 525 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: which attracted twenty eight thousand likes, the most out of 526 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: any of her posts. And what has been really interesting 527 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: throughout this drip feeding of this baby news is that 528 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: Anna has been making sure to simultaneously share posts about 529 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: her business's new product, which is conveniently launching on the 530 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: fifteenth of June, so in a few days. As we said, 531 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: she does own a fake tan company and they are 532 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: launching a new ground dul tanner, And it's been a 533 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: bit of an ad sandwich. So, for instance, when Anna 534 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: finally shared her son's name, she reshared that post to 535 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: her Instagram story and wrote his name is dot dot dot, 536 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: So that Instagram story would have attracted a lot of 537 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: views and a lot of attention. It was then followed 538 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: immediately by a slide which provided an early access link 539 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: to her new gradual tanner. She then fothered it up 540 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: by resharing another family snap to her Instagram story, and 541 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: it was then immediately followed by another screenshot of a 542 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: positive review about GOLDIEB. 543 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 544 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 4: I noticed this too, and I found it quite overt 545 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: like I've never seen an influencer do it that obviously before. 546 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: We've had quite a few listeners writing in saying that 547 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: they felt a bit icky about it, and originally I 548 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: did too, until I really sat with it and I thought, 549 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: why do I feel this way? And it actually made 550 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: me change my opinion because Anna is a new mum 551 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: who is embarking on maternity leave, and anyone who runs 552 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: their own business and is forced to take government funded 553 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: maternity leaf knows that the pay is very minimal. It 554 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: is a struggle to live off that paycheck. I was 555 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: really shocked to see how little women receive, particularly when 556 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: you consider that women giving birth before the first of 557 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: July also receive no payment towards their super during that time, 558 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: which is just so disgusting. 559 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 4: I do want to point out though it's progressively getting better, 560 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 4: like it's a very positive step that super will now 561 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 4: be included as of July one, twenty twenty five. 562 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: I just think it's absolutely ridiculous, though, that women on 563 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: maternity leave are being paid minimum wage when you consider 564 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: how high mortgages are and how ridiculous the cost of 565 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: living is at the moment, and it just made me think, 566 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: why is it a bad thing that Anna is hustling 567 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: and hustling hard in the lead up to her birth. 568 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: I actually think it's a really savvy business move from her, 569 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: because why wouldn't you strike when you know that you 570 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: have optimal eyeballs on your page and interest in what 571 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think with the influence of landscape 572 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: being so overseatactuated, we're really living in a time where 573 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: there's a real disparity between what influences are earning. And 574 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: for Anna, when you look at where she lives, she 575 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: lives in a fairly modest apartment. I would assume that 576 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: she's not making megabucks off her influencer career. I mean, 577 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: she'd be making decent money, but not amazing money. And 578 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: I think it is so hard for mums to keep 579 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: their businesses and side hustles going during the early stages 580 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: of motherhood, So why not utilize your social media following 581 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: at the most optimal time for you. 582 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: I mean, so if you're about to embark on maternity leave. 583 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 4: I have experienced it recently and we both own businesses. 584 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 4: It's bloody difficult, and I think if a male was 585 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: doing this, people wouldn't even notice it. They'd be like whatever. 586 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: But I think we do hold women to a certain account, 587 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 4: particularly when they become mums, because it's like, well, how 588 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: dare you use this beautiful moment as a chance to 589 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: plug your business? But guess what, She's trying to earn 590 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 4: money to look after her baby. And I think it's 591 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: pretty clever the way she has been plugging her brand. 592 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: I have been on the about purchasing it myself, and 593 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: some of the reviews I'm like, well, maybe I will 594 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 4: pull the trigger. 595 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the tactic does seem to be working for 596 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: her because over the last thirty days, her following has 597 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: grown by three two hundred followers. 598 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: Let's get into our Friday debrief and Sophie, I'm getting 599 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: really sad because this is your last podcast episode before 600 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 4: you give birth. 601 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: It feels so weird, like it's all coming around so quickly. 602 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: And I think because Amy's been on leave and I've 603 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: been really tuned into both of the businesses and it's 604 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: taken up all of my attention. I've almost forgotten that 605 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to have a baby. So I don't like 606 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: letting go of the podcast. I just I feel a 607 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: bit emotional that I'm not going to be able to 608 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: be on the mics for a couple of weeks. I 609 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: am hoping that I'm going to be able to make 610 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: some cameo appearances and pop up here and there along 611 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: the way. We actually did splash out and buy a 612 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: recorder each, so now we've got a separate recorder out 613 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: of house, which we should have done bloody years ago, 614 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: particularly maybe Kate when you had Jack, because it's been 615 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: so much easier to record from home. 616 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's going to be a game changer 617 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: for us. Now we just need to sync up all 618 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 4: of the boys' naps. Yeah, and we'll be fine. We 619 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 4: won't even know slit piece of Pits, I'm sure not. 620 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I am really excited for the next couple 621 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: of weeks. A little bit scared, but I think it 622 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: will be really exciting and I can't wait to meet 623 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: my little boy. 624 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: Well, I actually have my little boy sitting on my 625 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 4: lap at the moment because we are recording from home 626 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 4: and someone had to get up from their nap, so 627 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: he is absolutely loving trying to grab the microphone off me. Definitely, 628 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: I don't think we can record when they are awake, 629 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 4: because this is quite difficult. But I have Jack's first 630 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: birthday party this weekend and I am so excited for it. 631 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: I've been making lollibags. I'm set to make the cake 632 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: today and I've decided to make the Teddy Bear cake 633 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 4: from the Women's Weekly Cookbook, and the other day I 634 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: picked up this big cake board to put it on. 635 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: I've got all the lollies ready to go. I have 636 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: actually been eating some of them, so I might have 637 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: to do a restock, but I'm just so excited. I've 638 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: always dreapt of the moment to make my son's first 639 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: birthday cake, so it's very well. 640 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there's going to be some meltdowns tomorrow 641 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: because I don't think that that is an easy cake 642 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: to make. You did ask me whether you should do 643 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the one or the Teddy Bear. My vote was for 644 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: the one because you're trying to avoid any mistakes. But no, 645 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm really excited for Jack's birthday. Well, the one can 646 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: always be a backup, so if I do end up 647 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: posting a photo of the one cake, that's what happened. 648 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 4: It hasn't worked out well. 649 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today. 650 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 651 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: I will be being on the Mac with everyone, but 652 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: hopefully I will be back soon, especially to share my 653 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: birth episode, which I'm sure we'll record in the not 654 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: too distant future. But thank you again for joining us. 655 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the 656 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 657 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: Elder's past and present 658 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 4: A