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Speaker 1: Oh, it is budget day. We know the Treasurer Bill

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Speaker 1: faced criticism last week from the Opposition after heading to

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Speaker 1: the budget was being handed down. Now, joining me in

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Speaker 1: is the Opposition leader Selena Youubo.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and good morning

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Speaker 2: to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now, Selena, what

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Speaker 1: areas do you think that the government really needs to

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Speaker 1: be focusing on when it comes to today's budget.

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Speaker 2: Well, Katie, I think what territories are going to expect

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Speaker 2: is what are we going to see around job investment,

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Speaker 2: What are we going to see that grows the territory

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Speaker 2: economy because that was one of the key election promises

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Speaker 2: from the CLP is to rebuild the territory's economy and

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Speaker 2: we can't do that unless we're seeing projects that develop

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Speaker 2: our own source revenue. So it'd be really interesting to

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Speaker 2: see what kind of initiatives the CLP government is bringing

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Speaker 2: to the table when it comes to.

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Speaker 3: Their first budget for today but for this term.

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Speaker 2: So I think that will be a really key thing

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Speaker 2: on people's minds, and we'll be asking the questions.

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Speaker 3: But I think so far what we've seen.

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Speaker 2: With the pre budget releases, Katie is I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to be quite underwhelming, unfortunately for Territorious.

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Speaker 1: So you reckon there's not going to be a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of spending. You think they're going to be trying

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Speaker 1: to sort of rain in.

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Speaker 2: Some of that dit I think reeling in, just like

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Speaker 2: the treasurer was reeling in his barrel last week. Katie.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of imagination. I don't think there's going to be any

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Speaker 3: I would love to be proven wrong with this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be having my highlighter and my ruler

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Speaker 3: So we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 2: But everything that the Colp government has released so far

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Speaker 2: to today's budget, I don't have a lot of hope unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they I'm sure are going to come out

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Speaker 1: labor overspent and that there are projects that they're still

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Speaker 1: having to deliver that we really can't afford. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think that obviously Leofanocciero's first budget as

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Speaker 3: I think what.

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Speaker 2: We're going to see is the effects of cuts without

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Speaker 2: any economy growing as well. I think what we're going

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to see, unfortunately, from all accounts,

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Speaker 2: So I don't see a lot of hope unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I know the CLP last year released that twenty four

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Speaker 1: to twenty five midyear report on the Territory's Economic and

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Speaker 1: fiscal Outlook. It revealed a fiscal balance deficit surging to

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Speaker 1: two billion dollars in twenty four to twenty five, with

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Speaker 1: dollars to reach eleven point one billion. I mean, is

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Speaker 2: I think Katie acknowledged that there hasn't been obviously the

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Speaker 2: ideal fiscal outlook for the Northern Territory for many years. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: we know that that's no secret every year, that's what

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Speaker 1: Well wait and see. It's always interesting on budget day,

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Speaker 1: and going through the numbers. But look, yesterday they did.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory government did formally say that they're referring

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Speaker 1: citing escalating costs and delays. The Treasurer billion announcing the

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Speaker 1: That project is now facing significant additional forecasting costs in

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Speaker 1: the order of hundreds of millions of dollars, Selena, How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think it's really important for listeners and

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Speaker 2: territorians to understand that one hundred million dollar figure that

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Speaker 2: was no realistic attempt of evaluation of what a ship

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Speaker 2: work under the former Labour government in twenty eighteen. Katie,

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Speaker 2: There'll be listeners who would be aware that the Northern

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Speaker 2: it was not based on any type of realistic projection

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Speaker 1: So I get that, but then it blew out to

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Speaker 1: though there's just sort of been no idea how much

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, Katie, one hundred million figure has come from

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Speaker 2: no idea. It has come from something that's been completely

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Speaker 2: fabricated by former Chief Minister Adam Giles, and then the

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Speaker 2: the realistic figure. It is not what's been done when

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Speaker 2: there's been economic projections and cost evaluations for that project.

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Speaker 2: What will be really great about the Shiftliffe project for

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Speaker 2: It will bring in that own source revenue. This will

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Speaker 2: be a really important part of the territory economy's future

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Speaker 2: rebuild and growth. So I think, you know, whilst the

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Speaker 3: So do you support that referral don't.

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Speaker 2: I understand that the referral's been made to try and

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Speaker 2: unpick where the costings have then been evaluated. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: why can't the colp get that from their own departments

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Speaker 3: Because that's the consistency.

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Speaker 2: Whilst the executive arm of government changes, you know, political

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Speaker 1: My biggest concern with it is like, yes, it's the cost,

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Speaker 1: that there must be different reasons for that, but that's

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Speaker 1: make the same mistakes again.

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Speaker 3: If there's been mistake, I'll definitely share that frustration.

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Speaker 2: Noing wants to see major project that's going to deliver

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Speaker 2: So I'll be very interested to see what the committee

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Speaker 1: So that it does sound as something you're going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, and I've heard the CLPS speak about, you know, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're going to take away whatever Labour did with their

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Speaker 1: Mean, like the museum or the is it the museum,

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Speaker 2: I think that's very disrespectful to again talking about territory lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: Now, Selena, I know you are pressed for time because

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Speaker 1: You know, this is something that does happen in other locations,

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Speaker 2: And I know it's been a huge concern hearing about

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Speaker 3: We've got different stories of.

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Speaker 2: Course from Catherine, where I am but I think what

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Speaker 2: people really want to see is that action. Katie that

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Speaker 2: will support, but so far we're not seeing any of

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Speaker 2: that from the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: And I know you.

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Speaker 1: Always cop criticism when we talk about crime from our listeners.

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Speaker 1: They say, well, Label's in power for you know how

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Speaker 1: many years and did nothing to stop it. But I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about something that you did that

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Speaker 1: the Labor Party did introduce, and that is that private

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Speaker 1: security in different areas.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know it's ideal to have private security operating. We

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Speaker 1: would all rather see police out there on the beach,

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Speaker 1: but certainly a nightcliff that's something that the Member for Nightcliff,

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Speaker 1: Cat macnamara is now calling for. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: think that that is something that the government should look

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Speaker 1: at implementing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's a very practical solution and idea.

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Speaker 2: And of course cat McNamara is the member for Nightcliff,

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Speaker 2: knows her community and if she's listening and reflecting and

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Speaker 2: providing some of those practical solutions that government can take

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Speaker 2: on very quickly, mightor add Katie in terms of an

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Speaker 2: action piece to be able to promote and secure, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Nightcliff area and community safety, then they should absolutely

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Speaker 2: do that, and they should do it quickly.

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Speaker 1: Well, Selena you bo the Opposition leader, really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got to get to Parliament. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Katie,