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Speaker 1: Now, questions surrounding the transparency of Chief Minister Natasha Philes

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Speaker 1: have indeed escalated following these fresh allegations that she may

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Speaker 1: have undisclosed shareholdings, this time with South thirty two, the

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Speaker 1: company that runs the gem Co manganese mine on Groot Island.

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Speaker 1: Last month, the Chief Minister said that she'd declared everything,

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Speaker 1: particularly emphasizing her divestment of Woodside shares and stating I've

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Speaker 1: always declared shareholdings while a member of Parliament in accordance

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Speaker 1: with the legislation. Now the Opposition Leader Leafanocchio has said

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister must come out immediately and front questions.

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Speaker 1: We are still waiting for the Chief Minister to provide

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Speaker 1: that response, but joining me in the studio right now

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Speaker 1: is the Opposition leader Lea Fanocchio. Good morning to you, Leah, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie and to your listeners, Leah.

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Speaker 1: Should the Chief Minister stand down if.

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Speaker 3: This is true, if she has more shares that have

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Speaker 3: not been disclosed and is in breach to the minister

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Speaker 3: code of and this is the last straw.

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Speaker 2: She cannot survive this.

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Speaker 3: It's too big an integrity question, especially off the back

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Speaker 3: of the scandal a month ago, and a range of

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Speaker 3: other areas in which is misled territorians around Boo reform,

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Speaker 3: Howard Springs, damage, you name it. So this is a

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Speaker 3: pivotal moment for the territory and she's got to come

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Speaker 3: forward today with some serious explanations.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about around two than four hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty dollars worth of shares. It seems like a

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Speaker 1: small amount to fall on your sword. If it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It it's not the amount, this is the issue. It's

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Speaker 3: the integrity piece, Katie. We've seen over a long period

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Speaker 3: And so we've had a huge scar Share scandal a

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Speaker 3: month ago, of which serious questions remain because the Cabinet,

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Speaker 3: of course have not come forward and said what they

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Speaker 3: a code of conduct. And now to have the media

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Speaker 1: Do you think that her ownership of the shares has

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Speaker 1: clouded her judgment when it comes to investigating the health

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Speaker 1: on Grude Island earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: Well, the issue is we'll never know, Katie, and that's

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Speaker 3: the problem. If this is true, then it clouds decisions

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Speaker 3: that she's made. And that's why there is all of

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Speaker 3: these mechanisms in place to make sure that disclosures are made,

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Speaker 3: to make sure that conflicts.

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Speaker 2: Are dealt with in advance.

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Speaker 3: The territorians can have confidence and clarity, and of course

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Speaker 3: when you don't have confidence in clarity, you have question marks.

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Speaker 3: When there's question marks, there's uncertainty. And that's not a

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Speaker 3: space that territorians can move forward in. That's not a

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Speaker 3: and it has to be today.

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Speaker 2: Leah.

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Speaker 1: What is going to happen if she digs her heels

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Speaker 1: There's some kind of misunderstanding and not budging.

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Speaker 2: Well that it comes back to the cabinet.

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Speaker 3: So under the Ministerial Code of Conduct, if she has shares,

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Speaker 3: that should should have been divested. Then the cabinet are

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Speaker 3: the ones who have to enforce it an outcome on that,

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Speaker 3: and again, just like with Woodside, we haven't seen the

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Speaker 3: cabinet show leadership, which then puts all of their integrity

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Speaker 3: once again into question. It will show to Territorians they're

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Speaker 3: we cannot move forward as a jurisdiction. People can't plan, invest, grow,

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Speaker 2: Just put herself in our whole world of trouble.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is she should have come out

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Speaker 1: But I do understand, and I do want to point

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Speaker 1: the timing is really is not good. But there has

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Speaker 3: A consequence if it's true, and if it's not true,

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Speaker 3: it needs to be a very good explanation of the world.

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But I think the really interesting part now is what

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Speaker 1: of you know, if she does then stand down, who's

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the question.

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Speaker 3: I think one of your listeners said, there's a total

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Speaker 3: They've got no vision. They've effectively given up. We've had

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Speaker 3: It's just a scary time for the territory while we

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Speaker 3: it's just going to lead to more uncertainty, which isn't

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Speaker 1: Who do you think, though, who would you tip?

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Speaker 3: I couldn't pick any of them, Katie. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: which is very risky.

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Speaker 2: And won't lead to better outcomes.

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Speaker 3: You've then got the old guard there who have been

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Speaker 2: So where do they go from here?

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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison is the name that is always touted. She

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Speaker 3: Of course, she was our failed treasurer that announced a

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Speaker 3: She's been dumped as the Police Minister. She's been dumped

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Speaker 3: as the Tourism minister. I mean Nicole Madison, as lovely

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Speaker 3: so it's there's not a big list of people to

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Speaker 1: With her former experience as the police minister though, I

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Speaker 1: So then are we expecting if she were to step

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Speaker 3: And what's even worse when you talk about architects, Katie,

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Speaker 3: a foiled police minister. So there is nowhere to move here.

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Speaker 3: The territory is in a very fragile, delicate state where

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Speaker 3: There's no clear safe hands.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think territorians at work today are thinking, well,

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Speaker 3: I think people are just really concerned. There's a lack

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Speaker 1: With your experience, as you know, being in government previously

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Speaker 3: Today, Oh, I mean, the phones would be running hot,

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Speaker 1: Lea. The big question from territorians today is going to

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Speaker 1: be to you, as a COLP leader, what would you

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Speaker 3: Scott, We've already taken the right steps, Katie. So we've

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Speaker 3: so even though the Ministerial Code of Conduct does not

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Speaker 3: So members who are we're in that situation have divested

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Speaker 3: there will not be any clouds around this issue if

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Speaker 1: Have you one hundred percent made sure that none of

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Speaker 1: those none of your colleagues have any shares there may

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've been very, very vigilant, very proactive in this space.

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Speaker 3: We want territories to have confidence going forward. We believe

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Speaker 3: You know, we love the territory, Katie. We believe in

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Speaker 1: I have got a message from Judith this morning. It says,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Katie, this news today will be Leah's best

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Speaker 1: Christmas present ever. Now I do want to ask, though,

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Speaker 1: have to absolutely prove to people why they should vote

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, particularly out of the crime miss that

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Speaker 1: we have. I mean, are you, like, how hard are

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people this morning are just going

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Speaker 2: It's look, it's not at Christmas present.

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Speaker 3: I can assure you this is bad for the territory

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Speaker 3: and anything that's bad for the territory is not something

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Speaker 3: that I support. We're team Territory first and always so

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Speaker 1: Lea, I do want to ask you, we've just received

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what to say, kay It actually

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Speaker 3: I mean, with a week before Ristmas, people are spending

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Speaker 3: No one deserves this, and it can be done differently.

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Speaker 3: There is a better way. There are laws and things

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Speaker 3: I can't understand why, but my absolute commitment is that

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Speaker 1: I can see the emotion in your eyes and I've

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Speaker 1: It's going to be hard, I think for a lot

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Speaker 1: right now, and we are all very much over it. Leah.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap it up. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time this morning. I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: throughout the year. I hope that you and your family

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Speaker 1: have a lovely Christmas, and no doubt we'll be talking

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Speaker 3: We will take care everyone, have a merry and save

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Speaker 3: Christmas and blessings to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,